Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4
Words and Photos by Mike Levine, Dyno Chart Courtesy of K&N Filters

Eight-cylinder engines are slowly being snuffed out, as manufacturers shift their focus to fuel-sipping cars and smaller, more powerful motors, but they’re still a popular and necessary choice in full-size pickups. There’s nothing -- yet -- that can tow and haul as capably as a V-8.

With the writing on the wall, though -- in the guise of CAFE standards and inevitable hikes in gas prices -- truckmakers are having to work some serious technical magic to wring more efficiency out of V-8 engines to keep them viable and competitive.

The old axiom that “there’s no replacement for displacement” is no longer as relevant as it once was. We’re entering the age of smaller, lighter, more powerful eight-cylinder motors, where the spotlight will shift from quasi-big-block mills with 6.0-liter-plus displacements to V-8 engines in the 4.0- to 5.0-liter range.

That’s where Toyota’s all-new 4.6-liter i-Force V-8 comes in, in the marginally freshened 2010 Tundra. It’s smaller than the 276-horsepower, 4.7-liter V-8 (313 pounds-feet of torque) it replaces, but stronger, lighter and more efficient. The new engine is paired with a new six-speed automatic transmission, and together they’re expected to get up to 20 mpg on the highway.

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

Part of the engine’s appeal is its 310 hp and 327 pounds-feet of torque. Those are the best power ratings per liter of any midlevel half-ton V-8. Toyota is hitting those numbers by applying many of the same technologies found in the Tundra’s 381-hp, 5.7-liter i-Force V-8, which makes 401 pounds-feet of torque. The dual-overhead-cam 4.6-liter V-8 uses dual Variable Valve Timing to precisely control the intake and exhaust valves for better engine performance across all rpm. The old 4.7-liter only had single VVT, for the intake side of the cam.

We got our hands on a preproduction 2010 Tundra Double Cab 4x4 SR5 with the 4.6-liter V-8 and put it through a range of tests suitable for a mid-range half-ton pickup.

Toyota says the 2010 Tundra refresh is a face-lift, but you have to look very carefully to spot the exterior changes. The three-bar grille has been replaced by a beefier two-bar grille, the lower front bumper is different and there are updated taillamps in back. There are interior changes too, but you’ve got us if you can tell what they are. The big-for-bigness’-sake climate and audio controls remain, and the materials are still very plasticky and dark. This is one Toyota product that could learn some best practices on interior design from Chrysler (never thought we’d say that).

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

The Tundra’s a heavy beast, weighing in at about 5,400 pounds. The old 4.7-liter got the job done moving it, but it never generated excitement or high levels of confidence while driving around town or on the freeway, especially compared to the monster 5.7-liter powertrain, which begged for a load from the moment you blipped the throttle.

The 4.6-liter reminds us a lot of the 5.7-liter, but it’s more casual in going about its duties. Sure, less power has a lot to do with that feeling, but Toyota has also geared the 4.6-liter Tundra’s rear differential completely differently. The 4.6-liter Tundra has a final drive ratio choice of either a fuel-efficient 3.90 or a mixed-use 4.10, whereas the 5.7-liter only comes with a launch-optimized 4.30 rear ring and pinion that’s perfect for heavy towing. Our truck had the 3.90 rear axle.

We took the 4.6-liter Tundra to Irwindale Speedway’s eighth-mile drag strip to measure how its zero to 60 mph times compared to our gut feel. To check out its work ethic, we loaded it up with 1,000 pounds of salt (25 40-pound bags) in the cargo box.

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

The Tundra is known for computerized intrusioneering, so we manually disabled vehicle stability control, traction control and the virtual limited-slip differential (it's actually precise application of the ABS system to reduce wheel slippage instead of a mechanical locker or clutch pack) before our runs so the truck wouldn’t automatically cut throttle or apply the brakes. All the runs were conducted in two-wheel drive.

Using zero rollout, but brake torquing for launch, our VBOX-instrumented testing at Irwindale yielded a zero to 60 mph run of 9.16 seconds, with an eighth of a mile clicked off in 11.14 seconds at 66 mph in third gear. With the driver, a full tank of fuel and a true half-ton load in the bed, we were within a couple hundred pounds of the max 1,255-pound load rating indicated in the door jamb for the Tundra’s Bridgestone Dueler H/T P275/65R18 tires.

Even with the electronic nannies turned off, the Tundra exhibited noticeable lag at launch until about 3,200 rpm, or about a second, at which point the power really kicked in. Still, that pause limited performance for the first few feet rolling down the strip. Once it found its groove and hooked up, the Tundra felt very confident down the track with the heavy cargo, finishing the eighth-of-a-mile run in third gear. Shifts points were around 5,400 rpm, falling back to 3,800 rpm with tow/haul mode off.

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

We unloaded the salt from the bed and repeated the same tests, with noticeable improvements in performance. The Tundra hit 60 mph in only 7.97 seconds and ran 660 feet in 10.56 seconds at 69.37 mph. For comparison, during unloaded tests in our 2008 Light-Duty Shootout, the 5.7-liter Tundra yielded a zero to 60 mph time of 7.16 seconds. At Irwindale, the unloaded 4.6-liter Tundra finished the eighth-mile in third gear, with the same launch lag we experienced when the truck was loaded. The shift points, however, moved slightly higher, shifting at 5,800 and dropping back to 4,100 rpm. Without all the salt in back, the ride was a bit wilder, though still confident and true down the track.

One interesting thing we picked up on while running the Tundra at Irwindale was how well Toyota has insulated the Tundra’s cabin from engine noise. Sound levels remained low during all the runs, so motor thrash wasn’t a distraction. The subdued sound levels worked well with the engine’s constant application of torque to provide extra driving confidence in the powertrain. Standing outside and watching the truck run down the track was a different experience. The 4.6-liter exhaust note is strong and smooth to observers.

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

Of course, zero to 60 runs can only tell so much, so we took the Tundra to the performance-obsessed staff at K&N headquarters in Riverside, Calif., to see what the torque curve looked like across the rev range. Essentially, it’s flat from 3,500 rpm to 5,900 rpm, with a slight peak at about 4,500 rpm. Toyota says peak torque is expected at 3,400 rpm, so that result is a bit unusual. With the transmission in third gear, max rear-wheel torque was measured at 266 pounds-feet. In second gear, it was virtually identical: 265 pounds-feet. Rear-wheel horsepower builds steadily until about 5,600 rpm, as Toyota says it should, and peaks at 262 hp (both measured at the rear wheels instead of the crank that’s used in the Tundra’s advertised 310-hp, 327-pounds-feet rating). The engine continues to pull with only a slight drop until 5,950 rpm, when it bumps into the rev limiter.

Toyota expects the 4.6-liter V-8 to provide the 2010 Tundra with a 15/20 mpg city/highway fuel economy rating from the EPA. That’s up from 14/17 mpg for the 4.7-liter and only 1 mpg less than special fuel-efficient pickups from Ford and GM. Much of that improvement can be chalked up to the fact that the new six-speed transmission keeps the same first-to-fifth gear ratios as the old five-speed, but adds a new second overdrive gear with a .59:1 ratio for optimal highway fuel economy, as well as the 3.90 rear axle.

Road Test Review: 2010 Toyota Tundra 4.6-Liter V-8 Double Cab 4x4

In our experience, driving a 211-mile loop unloaded through West Los Angeles to the Pacific Coast Highway, up to Ventura, Calif., and back to West L.A. on the 101 freeway, we were able to achieve 16 mpg combined with the 4.6-liter -- a tolerable number considering LA's stop-and-go surface streets and we were keeping up with late night traffic traveling at more than 70 mph on the return portion of the trip.

The rest of the Tundra remains the same. Ride quality still suffers greatly when the truck is unloaded, making it very uncomfortable at times on some of L.A.’s notorious freeways. We like the Tundra when there’s payload in the bed or a trailer hanging off the back. In those cases, it’s a completely different pickup suitable to just about any task the other half-tons can do, if not more.

The 4.6-liter has a lot of ground to make up for Toyota. When the 2007 Tundra debuted with a choice of two V-8 powertrains, Toyota expected its then-new 5.7-liter V-8 to make up about 50 to 60 percent of the mix. Today, it makes up 80 percent of sales. That’s because the power-challenged legacy 4.7-liter V-8 drove buyers to the bigger engine. Only 13 percent of Tundra buyers opt for that engine; the remaining 7 percent choose the 236-hp, 4.0-liter V-6 with 266-pounds-feet of torque.

“We’ve been underrepresented,” said Bob Carter, Toyota Motor Sales USA vice president and general manager. “If you look at the full-size truck segment, about 20 percent is small V-8. We feel very confident that with the new 4.6-liter V-8, you’re going to see us become slightly overrepresented in the mix.”

Toyota 4.6-Liter V-8 Comparison Chart

The 4.6-liter Tundra is the first Toyota to offer water-cooled, computer-controlled exhaust gas recirculation, which allows for more accurate control of combustion temperatures through more of the power band for a wider, flatter torque curve, as verified in our dyno run at K&N.

The new 4.6-liter V-8 can tow up to 500 pounds more than its predecessor, depending on cab configuration. A 2009 4.7-liter V-8, regular cab, two-wheel-drive Tundra was rated to tow up to 8,500 pounds. A 2010 4.6-liter V-8, regular cab, two-wheel drive Tundra is rated to tow up to a healthy 9,000 pounds. That’s capable enough to handle most half-ton towing needs, and only 100 pounds less than the maximum tow rating of a 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 with a premium 5.7-liter Hemi V-8.

Overall, the 2010 4.6-liter V-8 Tundra’s biggest challenges will come from the Ford 4.6-liter three-valve V-8 (9,500-pound maximum towing with 3.55 rear axle, 4x2 crew cab) and GM’s 5.3-liter two-valve V-8 (9,700-pound maximum towing with 3.42 rear axle, 4x2 extended cab). Both of those engines come equipped with six-speed transmissions, like the 4.6-liter. Having driven all three powertrains, the 4.6-liter Tundra stacks up well with them in terms of power, refinement and efficiency. Depending on pricing, which hasn’t been announced yet, the 4.6-liter could turn out to be a very good deal for half-ton truck buyers looking to save money but retain lots of capability.

The 2010 Toyota Tundra with all-new 4.6-liter V-8 goes on sale later this month.

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Specifications
Drivetrain layout: Front-engine, RWD or 4WD
Engine type: 1UR V-8, aluminum block/heads
Valvetrain: DOHC, four valves/cyl., chain drive (dual VVTi)
Displacement: ci/cm 3:281.2/4608
Bore & stroke: 3.70 x 3.27
Compression ratio: 10.2:1
Horsepower: 310 hp @ 5,600 rpm
Torque:
327 pounds-feet @ 3,400 rpm
Hp/L: 67.4
Transmission: A760E six-speed auto

  • 1st    3.52:1
  • 2nd     2.04:1
  • 3rd     1.40:1
  • 4th    1.00:1
  • 5th    0.72:1
  • 6th     0.59:1
  • Rev.  3.22:1

Ring and pinion: 3.90:1, 4.10:1
Fuel efficiency: 15/20 mpg city/highway (preliminary numbers)
Emissions cert.:  ULEV II

Comments

What a piece of crap. Does Toyota really think they are going to steal market-share from Ford or GM on full-size trucks? This truck sucks with it's plastic frame, cheap interior, low payload capacity. Toyota needs to call it quits and stick to making the cheap plastic cars that they are famous for. I wonder what will be the first things to break, or be recalled on this junk????? Real men don't drive jap trucks!! Sell your crap truck in japan to yuppies that want to "feel like real amercan"!

Looks to be a good motor, but the 5.7 gets decent milege for the class, I don't know if 1 or 2 MPG will be enough for people to switch over from the big motor. I love Tundra's though, Its the best American truck on the market in my opinion.

I have a 2007 Tundra Double Cab with the 5.7L V8, this is my first Toyota and by far the best truck I've ever owned. I'd previously bought GMC's for the past 20 years, I tried my best to be a brand loyalist but wanted to make a change because I was tired of all the issues, the hard shifting transmissions, the steering linkage replacements, the rear seal leaks and the continues brake issues. When you went to the dealer they would simply say, "Ya there's a bulletin on that, they all do it", as in all the trucks. Why do you have to live with a trucks bad characteristics just because "they all do it" there wasn't a fix just a replacement of the same soon to fail again parts. I have 50,000 miles on my Tundra and I know that's not a real test but I haven't been back to the dealer yet accept to say hello and have my oil changed. The powertrain of the Tundra is smooth and strong, the 5.7 may be little thirsty but who cares it gets the job done with authority and keeps me out of the shop.

The Tundras do look tough (partly because they copied the Dodge Heavy Duty styling), but the interior - like on all Toyotas, is so bland. The videos of them flexing on rough roads was off-putting too. So I would give it thumbs up on 5.7 power and torque and exterior styling only. I think the 09 F150 looks better overall, and bring on the 6.2, Ford! Even with the 5.4, i would still take it over the Tundra. Buy American! Not just built in America by a Japanese company.

So is built in Canada by an American company better?

Actually the Tundra is very American it has a high American Parts content second to only the F-150. The Dodge doesn't even make the list Chevy is high but less American parts then the Tundra. % American made is what really counts, that shows you how many Americans were put to work to build the truck.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade0808

The Tundra is also very unAmerican as it sends most of the profits made back to Japan.

Why test a 4x4 in L.A. traffic?? What dose it do off road on the farm, In the mud. Or at constuction sites that are muddy pulling a loaded trailer or something.
After all, Most of us that buy a 4x4 truck don't drive the hwy. WE drive it on the farm, or down a hunting path. Give us some feed back on hauling hay across a field.
THAT"S WHAT MOST WANT TO KNOW!

Then Japan invests in more plants over here and employ more Americans. Its called a Global Economy, any college graduate can realize that.

Brian, you don't need to justify your purchase with your argument, if you prefer a Tundra then good stuff. I will upgrade my Silverado to the F150 when the 6.2 is available. I have considered the Tundra before. I would prefer American company at American factory using US suppliers, but seems that there is no 100% option for this anymore with globalization. In saying that, isn't the F150 built in America? I believe the engine is assembled in Canada? Apart from that, I think it's a better truck too.

John are you talking about the college graduate that can't get a job right now? Or the one that just got laid off?

John, you are right. The problem is the ones bashing Toyota are not college grads. Most probably had a difficult time passing middle school let along high school. Having owned Dodge and Fords, I bought a Tundra. Man, Toyota is far superior. The interior could be improved to look like the pervious Tundra, but overall, I will never go back. Good post thank you for having a brain.

The unemployment rate for college graduates is only 5%, its manufacturing postions where its much higher.

I did a news story last night about new graduates that were trying to get jobs, and some of them have had futile attempts for months. Faculty said they were seeing a decline of successful graduate job applications from their students. You can divide the world in to graduates and non-grad if you want, but the economy affects everyone. Lack of sales, means lower employment across the board.
A simple macro-economic rule: Keep as much money inside the country as possible for prosperity.

By the way, I found the comment to just be self-indulgent and a poor argument to back up a preference of vehicle.
And I am a college graduate.

Getting back on topic.....
The 4.6L Toyota engine looks good for power and torque for it's displacement.
Looking forward to the 5.0, 6.2 and 3.5 EcoBoost from Ford. I believe the Ford's weakest link right now is power output, which will be rectified by the new engines. I don't like the Tundra interior and chassis flexing, so I wouldn't even consider it anymore.

Why must people get into the stupid argument of 'built by japs' or 'built in mexico' blah blah blah? It's a global economy, nothing is 100% american anymore. The only people who buy things because they are / aren't American are the same people who buy a Ford and then a sweet new Sony TV. Things have changed. Change or shut up. Buy things because they support what you believe in and learn to shut up. Or buy things because they're good quality products. or because you can get a great deal. or...

yeah you get the point.

310 horsepower and 20mpg? The Hemi in the Dodge Ram has 390 hp and gets 20mpg and is available now.

Most of the Tundra buyers are uneducated people who had to take a GED test a half dozen times to pass it. That is why they are unable to compare the very poor performance of the Tundra to a real pick up like a Chevy or Ford. The Tundra should only be classed with something like the Honda Ridgeline or Nissan Frontier, it is to crappy of a truck to even call it full sized. I guess Toyota is lucky to find enough stupid people to buy the few thousand they have sold.

Some of the stupidest people on earth are college grads, they ran the banks into the ground as did manufacturing. If you want to embarass yourself brag about your diploma, you might make it on Leno like the college grads he has on street smarts. Can't find Mexico on a map. Bill Gates never went to college, smart man, it's for idiots and losers with no ability to think or produce, thats why they buy tundras.

Why does it seem the pro-domestic trolls on pickuptrucks.com seem that much more stupider than the pro-domestic trolls on cars.com? Do the complexities of the global economy (which American companies participate in) confuse and therefore, anger them? Listen, most buyers choose quality over such idiotic notions of patriotism like "buying American," the question should not be whether one should buy from an American company (which invests money wherever it may please, like in Canada or Mexico) or a foreign company (which also invests whereever it deems to be necessary), but whether an American company can compete with foreign firms! GM is doing extremely well in China! Some of you hicks ought to know that, and if the Chinese and other emerging economies decided to do the "patriotic thing," companies like GM and Boeing would certainly be in much more direr straits. Sometimes I wonder why people stick to such simplistic assumptions about the world they live in, but then I realize that maybe some people don't want to spend more than a minute thinking about reality.

All these absurd comments about "uneducated" people buying Tundras or comments like "only people who took the GED test multiple times buy Tundras". They are so atypical redneck type responses. First off, most of these so called "uneducated" people can't even find a decent job let alone make enough money to afford these new trucks, Jap or American. So please, stop making these pot shot statements about one's education or lack there of as a correlation to Tundra owners. As a matter of fact Jeff, TJ and John, do USA a favor and please go to school and get a higher education because 80% of the world outside of "America" has a higher advance degree. If you think about it, the world will be leaving America in the dust if you continue your archaic and uneducated mentality BS. So do the Patriotic thing and go to school. Their is nothing I hate more than some redneck saying it's unpatriotic to not buy American. And I'm saying this as a GM owner myself. This country can no longer to be number One if we continue with these centric attitudes about American vs Non-American trucks.

Toyota Tundras aren't any better or worse than Fords, GMs, or Dodges. Anybody who thinks either is narrow minded or brain washed. Let's stop with the "college educated" AND "redneck" stereotypes, because people from all walks of life need trucks, for recreation or for work. I went to college for 4.5 years, but I drive tractor-trailers for a living, by choice. It doesn't matter what you do for work. What matters is how well your (pickup) truck works for you. Personally, I think the Tundra sells itself based on the Toyota name, not the capability or longevity. I'm not saying it's a lesser/better truck than the domestics, but most people who own 1/2 tons of any brand don't do anything but drive 'em. It's easy to say how well a truck treats you if you don't work it, regardless of the brand. I think most of the "tests" these websites perform are bogus anyway, and reflect little if any on real-world situations. So buy what you like, quit with the stereotypes, and take the time to realize that there's no escaping (as much as I hate it) globalization of the economy. Oh, and in regards to college being the "American thing to do"; Most colleges are out to do nothing but force their (liberal) political agenda on you anyway. So if you want to suceed, just do what they say and pretend you think like they do. Anybody can argue this all they want with me, but I went to school and experienced it first hand. I know how it is, and I'm not a b.s. artist. Not to get off topic or to argue, but most colleges nowadays are so skewed to the left that it makes me ill. But getting back on topic, just buy whatever pickup truck you like!!

Thanks Walt and Dustin, its nice to know there's normal folk out there okay with people making decisions for themselves, instead of trolling for a brandname! how sad!

Funny how people can't talk about the truck being reviewed in the article. Everyone immediately has to start kicking dirt at each other over who did or didn't go to college, who bought american and who didn't, global markets and all that. This website is about trucks, so talk about the TRUCKS, and leave the rest of it on the other sites where you can freely bitch about that to someone who might care. That being said, I bought a new Dodge Ram recently- not because it was the American thing to do, or because it was the biggest and best, but because it could do what i wanted and i liked the way it looked. That is why anyone should buy anything. So feel free to grow up, or go cry in your beer somewhere else- this is pickuptrucks.com, not whinylosers.com. And if you're going to insult someone else's intelligence (because you or they did or didn't go to college or some other stupid reason), feel free to spell/grammar check yourself. Dumbass.

frankly, who cares how american it is? all i care about is the product. to me, if its a better truck then what difference does it make where it was made?

Up to 20MPG? Very cool. Oh, wait! I am easily getting that much already in my Sierra with 4.8, 4-speed auto, and 4x4.

OK, who knows where you can buy a 4.10 or 4.0 rear ring and pinion for the 5.7L for better gas mileage?

Always treat the cause, never the symptom.

Fordtrucks77...have you even turned on your tv, read a magazine, or looked at an online comparison in the last couple of years since Toyota redesigned the Tundra? It out pulls, out hauls, out runs, and out powers your POS Ford, all while being more roomy, comfortable, and maintaining some sort of resale value. And as to your last moronic comment, if real men drive Fords then why did Ford have to put "man steps" on the newest F-150 for you sissies to get into the bed to unload your chewing tobacco and Pabst Blue Ribbon?

The guy below me is moron.

rabble rabble Chevy... rabble Ford... rabble rabble rabble DODGE... rabble rabble Yota... you guys really should redirect all this hate to something more constructive. Like driving your trucks off a bridge.

I am not sure why everyone always has to talk about American or Japanese on this subject... I think Toyota is very loyal to their customers and employees in North America. They have not laid off any employees like some of the other companies have. They are using the profit and cash reserves to keep employees working....

There's nothing American about any of these brands. If Dodge, GM, Toyota, or Ford could sell more of these trucks outside of the U.S. if they closed the doors to the U.S. market, do you really think they wouldn't? Ha, in a heartbeat!! NO company cares about the American consumer. They simply thrive on brand loyalty and the image they portray of themselves being patriotic. Look at the people in charge of auto companies now. You know what the problem is? These big wigs aren't car/truck people. They're MONEY people. Executives and CEOs with a passion and enthusiasm for automobiles have gone the wayside. The message is still the same as previous generations, but with a different meaning. Patriotic used to mean patriotic. Now patriotic just means profit. I know I'm only 25, but good bye to the old days!!

I think the Tundra is a great truck, possibly the best one out there. With that being said, I think Toyota has a big challenge they need to overcome, and that's all the good ol' Ford, Chevy,and Dodge boys. The reason is simple, they are all so biased, you read it all the time in these blogs, no matter what Toyota does or how great an improvment they make, they always get blasted by the good ol' boys. Toyota is just going to have to wait till they all die off until they can really compete with the "Big Three" in the truck division.

Everyone has different criteria, needs, likes, dislikes, bias', needs, uses, etc. To insult someone else for the choice they make in selecting the right truck for them only serves to advertise your own ignorance. I'm glad to have so many great available options to choose from. For the record...profits from GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Toyota go to shareholders, not country of origin, wherever they may reside in the world. Capitalism and free markets made this country great. Spending your hard earned money on the best truck for you regardless of all the other b.s. is as American as it gets!

Because it's not a better truck, JD, it is "junk" made with under-engineered parts. Search this site for Tundra Tailgate for the entertainment. Mike Levine has to remain unbiased in this reviews, but I guarantee you won't catch him owing one of these Tundras.

GAG GAG...Hack Hack. Fugly..who in their right mind would buy a truck with Toy in the name. That is just what it is...a TOY!

Nobody makes a better truck that what the Dodge, Ford and GM do!

gee- ford, chevy, toyota. They are all O.K. trucks, but sometimes everyone once in awhile gets a lemon. I'm not a big ford fan since the boxy looks turn me off and lack of power, but sales numbers don't lie as it is #1 in truck sales for a very long time. Chevy's have the best smooth ride, but lack the instant punch when stepped on the pedal unlike the Tundra and Tundra's brakes are far the best, especially over Chevy's spungy brakes. I hope the 2010 Tundra has rectified it's thin tailgate and rusting issues, but I will know in May when I get to drive one with the 4.10 ratio and see what the pricing is but I doubt it will be much lower since you won't see the 4,000 in rebate like the other 08,09' tundra's had, but I hope they do have 4K in rebate and with the 4.6L engine being cheaper than the 5.7L V8, it wouldn't be too bad to trade. Only time will tell what price and rebate is come early May. I wish tundra's with the 4.6L V8 could borrow GM's technology of displacement on demand where it shuts down 4 cylinders coasting or braking because instead of 20 mpg, it would for sure at least get 21 mpg hwy, if not 22 mpg hwy - that would be awesome.

After test driving the 4.6L come May 09', I may consider it over my 5.7L tundra if the oomph is enough to satisfy me in order to get 3 more mpg, 19 instead of 16 now if the rebates on the 2010 model year tundra's come up to 3500 to 4K. But, I doubt it since the 4.6L will be a new engine, but the sales figures since 2007 and 2008 are way low for 2009 sales and not even close to Ford or Chevy or even GMC. I hope so since very few people really need the 5.7L V8 unless they want to race - if you wanted it to be, it is scary fast, not corvette fast, but excellent for a truck. Now, I just wish Toyota fixes the problem of rusting and other issues the 07 and 08's are known for. I hope Toyota learned their lesson on the 07 and 08 tundras, but I doubt it just like all the other mfg's. don't look at all the repair orders being done on their vehicles and learn from it and rectify the repairs being done for the next model year vehicle.

I wonder how many people who promote "buy American" shop at Walmart? The one company that sells everything and anything that is made in CHINA (but hey, it's cheap and good value). Why should consumers buy from the Big Three because they are "American" companies. Check the labels and you'll find a lot of "imported" parts.
Read the review of the Tundra and let potential buyers decide for themselves...

this truck has the capacity of most of the full size trucks out there it has more juice than that f-150 that came out with the same 5.4 liter its had since 2000 its stronger than the chevy silverado. i believe that for a jap truck this truck has what it takes to be recognized as a full size truck

yea we ran the the banks into the ground, but we got rich doing it. so there. and I bought a new ford with your mortgage money. the tundra is ok, but fords are and always will be more solid, hard core, and better looking.

Mike,
Since you are in the know and have your connections, do you have the updated pricing for the 2010 Tundra available? Another site that I go to says that 2010 Tundra pricing is now available.

Thanks

The 2009 Ford F150 has :
-Better towing
-Better payload
-Stiffess frame
-Bigger and stronger suspension components
-Bigger stronger bolts
-wins the real world gas challenge by 10%
-stylish minimalist interior
-vast spacious crew cab with a flat floor
- 4x4 that disengages at transfer case and not wheels(GM) with electronic locking diff.
-bigger radiator bigger water pump bigger tranny cooler.

Toyotas have bad frames that suck gas and tailgates that are glued that split, with tiny suspension components and no trailor brake control.
Jd power associates reliability ratings rate Ford higher then Toyota
Toyota Dealers are as arrogant as GM was when they were #1... and do not move on prices.
Ford has out sold Toyota YTD and needs your bussiness ...giving great deals.
I love 11,200lb towing machine that has perfectly matched engine, tranny. 5.4 tows more with a stronger heavier frame though its under powered in drag race comparisons.
My Ford works, If I need speed I ride my Bike.

I don't know who came up with the numbers showing top spots for most % of American Made Parts on vehicles, but The Chevy Cobalt should be completely off the chart. I owned a Cobalt, and never did find a single part on the car made in the US. The engine was built in Mexico, the Transmission was built in Italy. Most of the parts were either Mexico, Canada, Italy, Japan (Hmm go figure), China, etc. Never once did I replace a part that had a Made In USA label on it.

I can look at the door and components of my 2008 Toyota Tundra and I've found tons of Made In USA labels, including the engine transmission, axles, etc.

Sorry Ford, GM, and Chrysler, you've been replaced by the new "Big 3" which is now Toyota, Nissan, and Honda.

Oh, I also thought I would mention. I've taken 3 trips in my Tundra so far and I can average 17mpg city and 23.7mpg highway consistantly. None of the so called "Big 3" trucks can get those numbers.

With the line of work I'm in I've driven all 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks on the market right now and none of them come close to the mileage of the Tundra, or Toyota in general has them beat.

Step up to the man truck. I got five words, "best in class HEMI power!"

I have been seaching hard for a good pickup. I am currently overseas in Iraq and can get some pretty good pricing on ford and Dodge, however, before I left the states, I looked at the 2009 Tundra and loved it. I got to test drive one and spoke to a few people that I work with that love them. Bottom line is, even though I can save up to $14 thousand by buying a ford thru military dealers, not paying tax, etc...I am waiting to purchase the new 2010 Tundra extended cab long bed 4 wheel drive. I know what I want. My only dissapointment is the color options. I sure would like to see the Tundra in a forest green color. Toyota......Think green and keep up the good work

^^ if that is the case than i bet they could easily get better wtih the 4.6.

Looks like I'm goining to buy Tundra after all fellas. Those dummy redneck hillbilly inbreds convinced me to buy quality over craps POS. The Little 3 ( not Big 3 anymore ) produces nothing but junks anyway but people are getting smarter and not buying their trash any longer. Except for yoyo rednecks.
Yeeehaw !!!!!!!!!

I just recently bought myself a brand new 09 Tundra and im in love with the truck. Ive owned three toyota's in my life with my first being an 87' 4x4 pick-up which was fun as hell. Went to college and went the economical route with an 04' Corolla which are good gas saving cars. Now i have the Tundra which is made in my hometown of San Antonio.

I really like my tundra and there is really not a better reason to buy it apart from it durability. I have owned chevy before and maintainance after 80,000 miles are costly, transmissions and fuel pumps. Dont want that problems any more at least not that soon. A better fuel economy is what tundra needs and that is what they are trying for.



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