First Look: Ford's All-New 6.7-Liter V-8 Power Stroke Diesel Engine

First Look: Ford's All-New 6.7-Liter V-8 Power Stroke Diesel Engine
Photos Courtesy of Ford Motor Company

Ford is rewriting the rules of the company and industry with the introduction of its all-new advanced 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 diesel engine for the 2011 F-Series Super Duty pickups.

“The 6.7-liter diesel puts the motor back in Ford Motor Company,” said Adam Gryglak, the engine’s lead engineer. “This is the most advanced Power Stroke yet with the cleanest emissions,” lower noise, vibration and harshness “and substantially improved power and fuel economy.”

Codenamed “Scorpion,” the 6.7-liter PSD is Ford’s first-ever designed-in-house pickup truck diesel engine since the first oil burner (International’s 6.9-liter V-8) was offered under the hood of a Ford pickup in 1982.

“This was a global effort within Ford to create this engine,” Gryglak said. “We applied many of the lessons learned from Ford’s European operations.”

Ford’s road to the Scorpion has been long and winding. The 6.7-liter PSD is the third all-new heavy duty diesel engine in 7 years and the fourth since production of the 7.3-liter Power Stroke ended in 2002.

Its creation can be traced back to the 6.0-liter Power Stroke that Ford introduced for its 2003 Super Duty pickups. Ford and Navistar (International’s parent company) went to battle in court over warranty problems and cost issues related to that engine, which ultimately led to both companies ending their 30-year diesel manufacturing relationship in January. Ford kept the rights to the well-known Power Stroke name that has been associated with Ford diesels since 1994.

Ford 'Scorpion' 6.7-liter V-8 Turbocharged Diesel Engine
No more Navistar. The 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 is Ford's first diesel motor for its F-Series pickups to be developed entirely in-house after three decades partnering with the contract engine manufacturer. It will be built at Ford's plant in Mexico.

Ford introduced the 6.4-liter Power Stroke for its 2008 Super Duty pickups in order to meet tough emissions laws that required an immediate 90-percent reduction in soot, a natural byproduct of diesel combustion; General Motors and Chrysler did the same.

Clean-air regulations will be ratcheted up again on January 1, 2010. Diesel-powered pickups built after that date will have to have engines that reduce nitrogen oxide emissions by 90 percent from today’s standards and by 96 percent from 1994 standards.

NOx is a major air pollutant that contributes to smog, asthma, and respiratory and heart diseases. It's caused by diesel’s high combustion temperatures, which results from the high frictional heat created by compressing air in the cylinders to the point where it can ignite diesel fuel without using a spark.

But where GM and its engine development partner Isuzu have been able to reuse the basic architecture of the 6.6-liter LML Duramax V-8 diesel engine introduced in 2001, and Dodge is carrying over the 6.7-liter Cummins I6 that’s been in service since 2007, the Ford 6.7-liter V-8 is an almost total clean sheet redesign that uses many unconventional solutions to meet the needs of its drivers and the EPA.

Scorpion Turbo

Reverse Flow Design

The Scorpion’s architecture shares several key traits with GM's indefinitely postponed 4.5-liter Duramax V-8 diesel engine. Most notably, the intake and exhaust flow through the cylinder heads is reversed when compared to a conventional diesel engine, with the exhaust exiting directly into the engine’s turbo that sits in the engine's valley, mounted between V-style cylinder banks.

“When we looked at the at the design imperatives of the program we were looking to ensure that we delivered improved performance, fuel economy, NVH and heat management with the aftertreatment system,” Gryglak said. “The reverse flow and inboard exhaust configuration helps us achieve all of those objectives. It’s a smarter design.”

Scorpion Aluminum Head
New aluminum cylinder heads replace cast iron to save weight. They feature dual water jackets for cooling and a six-bolt attachment pattern for extra strength. Note the asymmetrical sizes and layouts of the intake (larger) and exhaust (smaller) ports.

Why? The arrangement dramatically shortens the distance between the exhaust and turbo, improving turbo response while protecting nearby powertrain components, like the fuel pump and alternator, from excessive heat. Higher turbo outlet temps also provide extra heat to downstream emissions devices to improve pollution-scrubbing performance sooner while emission catalysts (used to break down harmful pollutants) are warming up.

“Total exhaust volume and surface area of this configuration is about half that of the previous engine,” Gryglak said. “At the same time, we’ve been able to significantly improve the throttle feel of the truck.”

Single Sequential Turbo

Ford also reengineered the variable geometry turbo from the ground up with help from Honeywell’s Garrett Turbo Division (the same turbo supplier for the Duramax). As modern diesel mills like the 6.7-liter have become more powerful from generation to generation, emissions limits have gotten much tighter, and it’s become progressively difficult to match the turbo’s dual jobs of exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) with acceptable levels of responsiveness.

Scorpion SST Turbocharger
Instead of using two separate sequential turbochargers like the current 6.4-liter PSD, the new Single Sequential Turbocharger places two compressors back-to-back (right side of picture in blue, representing cool intake fed air) to create a twin turbo setup in a single package. The VGT turbo still uses a variable vane setup around the turbine (left side of picture in red, representing hot exhaust) that continually change the velocity of the exhaust gas and wheel speed.

EGR recirculates some of the engine's exhaust back into the engine at a lower temperature. The cooled gases have a higher heat capacity and contain less oxygen than air, lowering combustion temperatures and reducing the formation of NOx.

Multi-turbo systems, like the previous Borg Warner two-turbo sequential setup that the 6.4-liter PSD used, can overcome these issues but they also face problems in packaging and heat that wouldn’t work with the Scorpion’s new architecture. 

“The turbo we’re using for the 6.7-liter engine is called a ‘Single Sequential Turbo,’” Gryglak said. “It’s a triple-wheel design with a single turbine and two compressors placed back-to-back. What we’ve done is take a twin-turbo configuration and package it into a single unit that gives us seamless transitions [as its adds boost throughout the RPM range and power band]. It also allows us to drive EGR at very low airflow rates to meet the new NOx regulations but also allows us to build the boost we need to overcome the pressure from the EGR.”

The Siamese compressor wheels are near-mirror images of each other. They have the same diameter and are optimized to reduce pressure differences that could cause noise or airflow issues. By packaging them as two smaller turbos, mass is also kept closer to the shaft which helps with balance and durability. The turbo is quicker to boost and better able to deliver horsepower and torque, especially at the low end where it’s needed most the help get heavy loads moving quickly.

Scorpion-sst2-560
External picture of the Power Stroke's new SST turbocharger.

The SST turbo continues to use variable vanes that surround the turbine wheel to dynamically adjust turbo speed using exhaust gases. During engine operation at low speeds and load, the vanes are closed to accelerate exhaust gases across the turbine wheel to help increase turbo wheel speed quickly. At high speeds the vanes are opened to help prevent the turbo overspeed. It's also been enhanced to introduce exhaust braking into the platform.

“You’ll get the feeling [when you’re driving in] tow/haul mode but it won’t explicitly be called exhaust braking. It’s built into the system,” Gryglak said.

The turbo also uses a brand new ball-bearing cartridge that surrounds the turbo shaft to help provide a double-digit increase in spool-up times.

Though some turbos are mounted to the engine off the turbine side – a solution that can cause balance issues requiring extra structural reinforcement and noises like whistles and whines – Ford balances the SST by mounting it at the turbo’s center using a 4-bolt pedestal housing. The compressor stage is bracketed back to the pedestal so it has an extremely stiff structure in front. Separate oil and water feeds flow through the pedestal to lubricate and cool the turbocharger and eliminate as many external connections as possible. The front of the pedestal houses the turbo’s oil filter.

The 6.7-liter SST provides up to around 30 psi boost compared to approximately 40 psi from the 6.4-liter dual-sequential unit and operates at up to 130,000 rpms.

Scorpion Rocker Arms
New 'single plane' rocker arms are individually attached to each of the 4 valves per cylinder (2 intake, 2 exhaust) instead of using a bridge to open or close the valves in tandem.

Two Cooling Systems

The Scorpion has two separate cooling systems, each with its own radiator and water pump.

The primary cooling loop cools the engine and operates at about 194 degrees. A secondary 122-degree loop controls the temperatures of the EGR, fuel and transmission coolers and a brand new air-to-water charge air cooler that replaces the previous air-to-air intercooler. The CAC sits between the turbo compressor outlet and the intake manifold to cool the air heated by passing through the twin turbos.

“Overall, the cooling pack is significant smaller” than the 6.4, said Ed Waszczenko, lead durability engineer for the Scorpion. Waszczenko was responsible for testing every component of the Power Stroke by pushing them to their breaking point to ensure durability. “The engine is more efficient. We need less cooling. A lot of the heat management of the engine has helped us reduce the cooling requirements.”

EGR and SCR

All of the engine’s EGR comes off only the right cylinder bank. Ford did extensive research that showed EGR could be pulled from a single bank instead of both sides of the engine to reduce the plumbing required. It also eliminates airflow balance issues that can occur when pulling EGR gases from two cylinder banks.

The 6.7-liter EGR system uses two EGR coolers, like the 6.4-liter setup, but it introduces a “hot-side valve” at the front of the first cooler that controls the volume of air let into the system instead of using a conventional “cool-side valve” behind the second cooler.

Exhaust Gas Recirculation Coolers
EGR is only pulled from a single engine. It's the first step in scrubbing NOx emissions to meet 2010 EPA rules. The second step is the application of Diesel Exhaust Fluid (aka urea) in the exhaust stream, which will require periodic refills.

Ford says the move to a hot-side valve was a lesson learned from its diesel experience in Europe, where other hot-side systems have been engineered to avoid the valve getting jammed from particulates.

“Cold-side applications have extensive warranty issues for valves stuck open due to soot deposits,” Waszczenko said. “The challenge for us is to get [the hot-side valve] enough cooling so the valve is durable for 250,000 miles. There’s an iron valve and aluminum valve, both water-cooled. They expand differently based on their construction. The F-550 and up will use the iron valve. Lower engines will use the aluminum valve.”

Three other key design EGR features include:

  • A floating core design, instead of clamshell, that allows the EGR coolers to independently move within their housings as they thermally expand and shrink.
     
  • An EGR bypass valve directs exhaust gases straight into the induction system when the engine is cold during startup to get EGR working as soon as possible to lower NOX levels.
     
  • And a repurposed throttle body that’s used like an EGR valve to drive the correct amount of EGR that the system requires at the right pressure.

Waszczenko says all the changes have made the EGR system more durable. “We have not failed a single EGR cooler during testing,” he said.

But EGR alone isn’t enough to reduce NOx to meet clean air standards. The 6.7-liter PSD also introduces selective catalytic reduction to Ford’s pickups.

SCR uses diesel exhaust fluid, a urea-based solution (32.5 percent industrial urea and 67.5 percent deionized water), that’s injected as a fine mist into the engine’s hot exhaust gases. The heat turns the urea into ammonia that – when combined with a special catalytic converter – breaks the NOx down into nitrogen gas and water vapor. It's similar to the approach used by Chrysler for its 2010 Dodge Ram 3500/4500/5500 cab chassis trucks.

Diesel exhaust fluid refill intervals will vary depending on duty cycle. Some customers will only have to refill during routing maintenance, such as when the oil is changed, while others will have to top off the tank sooner.

“We think we’ve found the right balance between what the engine EGR can deliver and what the DEF system can do,” said Chris Oberski, emissions engineer for the 6.7-liter Power Stroke diesel engine.

Airflow

Airflow Cutaway
Airflow cutaway showing the throttle body (which is used primarily to assist with the exhaust aftertreatment) and intake manifold that's made from composite material instead of aluminum.

Air comes into the engine through the airbox and is directed passively through upper and lower chambers into the compressor portion of the turbo. At the same time, hot combusted gases from the engine are cooled using EGR. Both the cold compressed air and hot EGR are mixed together in the EGR throttle body and then directed into special chambers on either side of the intake manifold. The manifold uses tuned resonators to cancel out any pressure waves that are created within the intake system that could be heard as transient airflow noise, such as a drone or moaning sound.

The intake manifold is made from a composite material. Gryglak said that using aluminum would have created a heat sink that would have robbed power from the motor.

Special flow-mapped rocker covers that seal the valvetrain and provide structural rigidity also have feed chambers that direct air to the intake valves and then into the cylinders for combustion.

Combustion Components and Capability

Every moving part of the Scorpion’s cam-in-block design is new, from the crank to the pushrod valvetrain.

“It takes a fundamentally different combustion system to achieve lower feedback noise levels from the engine and maintain, or in our case, reduce emissions,” Gryglak said. “We’re also promising significantly improved fuel economy.”

The forged connecting rods are attached to the steel crankshaft using a 45-degree slant opening in the rod, instead of 90 degrees, for easier assembly. New cast pistons are gallery-cooled to control temperatures, with one entry and one exit for oil to flow through in the bottom of the piston. When the piston descends during the combustion cycle, a cooling jet of oil is fired into the entry. Special oil drillings add extra lubrication to the joint where the rod and piston are joined.

Injectors, Pistons, Rods
The pistons (top) have a unique bowl shape design that helps reduce noise and emissions during combustion. The connecting rods (middle) are attached to the crank using a 45-degree opening. 3rd generation piezo electric fuel injectors (bottom) have 8 holes and can squirt fuel up to 5 times per stroke.

Ford officials said they spent close to two years to find the optimal balance between in-cylinder noise and emissions during combustion.

The top of the cast-aluminum piston is very unique. Its bowl-like shape plays a key role by helping control the chaotic swirl of the fuel-air charge during combustion. Ford and piston supplier Federal Mogul cycled through dozens of CAD iterations and twelve physical designs to create just the right concavity for the piston top, according to Oberski.

The Bosch common-rail fuel system operates at up to 30,000 psi to send fuel to the engine’s 8 piezo injectors -- one per cylinder. Each injector nozzle has 8 holes and can deliver up to 5 injections per combustion cycle. Two pilot injections control noise levels, and a main injection is used for the power-generating combustion event. Two variable post injections are used to produce extra torque and for heating up emissions catalysts that scrub NOx and eliminate soot downstream from the engine. While cruising, only 3 or 4 injections will be needed.

“We’re using the third-generation of this technology,” Gryglak said. “It’s key to meeting our fuel economy and emissions objectives. It allows us to better atomize the fuel to mix it with the incoming air for improved combustion efficiency.”

The compression ratio drops a bit, to 16.2 from 16.7.

Special acoustic covers sit over the injectors on each cylinder bank to quiet impulsive noises from the fuel system as well as to lower overall NVH from the engine.

Bosch 3rd Gen Fuel System
The high pressure common rail fuel system operates at up to 30,000 psi

The asymmetrical layout of the intake and exhaust valves is the last approach needed to manage noise and emissions. It’s a four-valve setup, like the 6.4-liter engine, where the two intake ports are larger than the two exhaust ports.

The overhead valvetrain also uses a new rocker-arm configuration to open and close the two intake and two exhaust valves. It’s designed to improve the engine’s wear characteristics. Four pushrods per cylinder (two per hydraulic lifter) each have a single-plane rocker arm that’s individually connected to one of the four valves instead of using a conventional bridged valvetrain setup that runs multiple valves in tandem. It’s the first time Ford has created such a solution.

Instant start glow-plugs provide gas-like starts at very cold temperatures.

New aluminum cylinder heads reduce engine weight and incorporate dual upper and lower water jackets to provide cooling to the valvetrain.

The engine crankcase has shifted from conventional gray iron construction to state-of-the-art compacted graphite iron. It saves weight while boosting strength.

“What you’ll notice in the shape of the [engine] block is the structure that’s been added,” Gryglak said. “It has very thin wall sections. We’ve added structure to where it’s needed, but still saved overall weight. From a weight to displacement ratio, this will be the lightest block in the segment. The overall engine platform is about 160 pounds lighter than 6.4-liter diesel.”

The engine uses a two-piece oil pan to help store its 13 quart capacity. The bottom piece is composite to help quiet the engine.

Compacted Graphite Iron Engine Block
The engine block is the first use of compacted graphite iron instead of conventional gray iron that saves weight while gaining strength. Note the prominent ribbed structures where additional reinforcement has been added.

After all the radical changes to the engine, the overall packaging is the same as the last engine. The 2011 Super Duty won’t require any frame modifications.

Ford hasn’t provided power figures yet but promises they’ll be significantly greater than the outgoing motor. Expect peak horsepower at 2,800 rpm and peak torque at 1,600 rpm, Ford officials say.

We witnessed the engines being tested in an acoustic dyno chamber and can report back that noise levels are noticeably lower on the 6.7-liter engine than the 6.4-liter PSD.

Transmission

Ford is quiet for now about the Scorpion’s transmission, though we expect the Super Duty's new gearbox will be the new 6R140 heavy-duty six-speed automatic with power takeoff capability.

Ford officially says the standard manual transmission is gone as of the 2011 model year. The take rate was too low to justify continuing production of the ZF-source 6-speed handshaker. The rear cover of the new engine follows an SAE 12 bolt standard that allows Ford to mate almost any HD automatic transmission to the back of the mill.

Biodiesel Compatibility

The Scorpion diesel is certified for compatibility with B20 biodiesel (80 percent standard diesel, 20 percent biodiesel blend), like the 2010/2011 Cummins and Duramax diesels.

“We’ve protected the customer if they want to use B20,” said Gryglak “Biodiesel blends can sometimes vary in quality, so on our low-pressure feed lines into the high-pressure fuel pump there’s a pressure switch. If there’s a bad batch of fuel, sensors will immediately notify the customer they have an issue [through] the trip computer.”

Ford recommends that customers running biodiesel in the 6.7-liter engine not to let the fuel sit for longer than a month. Otherwise, things can start to grow.

Testing the Engine

Scorpion on Engine Dyno
Scorpion engine in a dyno test cell.

Ford says it has put the 6.7-liter engine through a vigorous testing scheme to identify any potential weaknesses or quality concerns before the first units wind up in the hands of customers.

A 250,000 mile durability test looks for structural fatigue points. It simulates the driving habits of 95th percentile Super Duty customers who pull the heaviest loads. The engines are placed in a dyno cell where they spend nearly 6 hours running continuously at peak torque and then 3.5 hours at peak grade power to prove out connecting rod and rotating mass strength. The cycle repeats for 1,200 hours, or 50 days of running.

A thermal fatigue test is used to prove out the engine assembly process by stressing the head gasket, joints, radiator connections and other seals. For this test cycle, the engine is idled and then throttled up to peak power for about 14 minutes. That’s enough time for the engine to get red hot. It’s then shut off and 16-degrees below zero coolant is pumped in and allowed to soak for a few moments before the engine is fired back up to rated power. The shock loop is 150 hours long, or 75 cycles.

A structural test is run to make sure the engine’s build tolerances and parts acceptance criteria are set properly, so there are no surprises during production. Engines are built using actual parts with purposely incorporated defects that simulate the worst quality issues Ford has seen in production, such as low head bolt torque or inclusions in the piston casting bowl. It’s a new test that the Scorpion team determined was necessary if the engine was going to be built in-house.

Finally, there’s a real-world wear test that, like the durability test, simulates the operating conditions and applications of Ford’s 95th percentile customer. Fully assembled Super Duty engineering test mules are run over 250,000 miles of the most grueling roads in the U.S. with the toughest grades in temperatures that vary from -40 to 130 degrees. It’s the equivalent of 10 years of services in six months. Two-hundred test points are measured at peak rated power and torque over every speed range to make sure the engine’s entire real world operating spectrum is tested.

At the end of each of these tests, the engines are broken down and the team examines every component, looking for problem areas. When problems are found, they’re fixed and then the test cycles start over again.

2011 Ford Super Duty

Putting Their Money Where Their Mouths Are

Ford won’t say how much money it invested in the 6.7-liter Power Stroke diesel, but we think it may be the most expensive single engine program in the company’s history. Perhaps we’ll see more Scorpion derivatives to spread the investment among a larger group of vehicles.

Ford also isn’t talking about the prices when the engines go on sale in the 2011 Super Duty next year. We think it will run more than the current engine. But Ford does repeat over and over like a mantra: the 6.7-liter PSD will be the most powerful, most fuel-efficient and the most-refined Power Stroke diesel engine yet. And the team that created it says it will be around a long time.

Comments

"It will be built at Ford's plant in Mexico" QC better do their jobs! Why not make it in America!

if the new ford 6.7 liter is as good as they say it will be i will have one. I'm pretty upset that that it wont be offered in a manual transmission, thats all i have ever owend an my current 6.0 liter is a manual. So for all u pansyes out there who cant shift on your own thanks alot. An i know im not the only one out in the world who likes a manual transmisson over an automatic.

The 7.3L will never be matched. Also, the 7.3L did not end in 2002 as this article states, it ended mid-year 2003. I'll never sell my 03' F350 w/7.3L, I'll just rebuild it when the time comes (if it ever does). Kudos Navistar/International on the ol' 7.3L workhorse!

I have a 7.3 that's is one bad engine hasn't let me down in any way what so ever, its ate several duramax and a few cummins. I don't have the money to beef it up like dodge boys do so I'm very happy with the power performance I get with the TS performance chip. Ford has built some good motors, I've had them and still got'em. I bet this new 6.7 is going to be bad too. I don't like the fact its quiter but the goverment controls everything, can't beat them, so we will deal with it. I def. support ford in this build. I'd like to see ford build an inline diesel, like the 300 6 cyl. That was a good engine. Ford, get with it and try one, see where it goes. I bet you can build the toughest diesel!

Why cant Ford design a 6 cylinder motor similar to Dodge that can do the same thing as a V8 with less moving parts.

Composite oilpan ? Make sure it has a low oil shut down to go with it , emissions ? what are they talking about , lets measure the emissions when those crazy filters are burning off and add that into the total , good luck , is this truck going to be a 500$ oil change too ? You've got to be kidding about the urea tank !

You guy's should have used all the money you wasted on developing another lemon to pay back all them poor suckers that had to replace countless injectors and head gaskets, headbolts and pay for downtime and tow jobs and argue with service desks , I hope you get it right this time my buddy won't buy a Dodge and he's going broke running fords .

the only thing they didn't test is the working man idle test they need to let the truck set at idle for at least 10-12 hour's a day for 3 months to see how bad the egr stops up and then look at the power loss that you get from any engine a by pass for the soot build up at idle is needed

I think that ford should go back to the 7.3L diesel engine. That was by far their best engine ever and until they go back the sales will keep dropping. These engines always start out promising but they all end up sucking in the end.

Anyone who doesn't see the aluminum heads as a potential issue hasn't run much heavy equipment, semi tractor/trailers etc...

The aluminum heads are sensitive to heat. Yes the new Ford Diesel and Chevy duramax engines have good cooling systems.

Under ideal conditions the cooling systems keep the aluminum components cool.

The issue is for people that actually work the engines hard continually vs recreational users towing a boat or camper.

When you have a heavy load on a trailer in hot conditions and pulling a mountain pass, shutting down when an engine starts to get warm is not always an option.

*Shutting down on a steep pull with a heavy load can be a safety issue and a sure way to drop a rear end or transmission.

*Halliburton testing the pickup isn't anything overly exciting. They do a lot of oilfield work but hardly use their equipment hard when compared to farmers/ranchers, roustabout crews etc... Halliburton maintains the equipment very well, rarely overloads etc... Not knocking them but it is what it is.

*The poster who pointed out "more moving parts is more potential issues" makes a very good point.

*Heavy equipment diesel engines and semi trucks are just about all inline 6 engines. AKA- real diesel engines.

*SCR systems in wyoming is getting ready to be common on all gen set diesel engines. The state is going from 1 gram NOx to 1/2 gram NOx and SCR is looking like the most feasible means of doing it. (I just toured the state with a guy who reps for the company that holds the patent on Dodge's "trap system" looking at retrofitting some gen set units with SCR's on drilling rigs)

@2002 Lover, how about Ford just increases the size of the 6.7 to 7.3? Then everyone will rave that the 7.3 is back! Great for marketing.

I dont like the sound of the new ford diesel and the cummins is hands down the best diesel engine availible for diesel trucks and dodge has fixed all the problems they have had in the past like transmission failures. But now i think dodge has better quality then chevy cuz i had a 2008 chevy 2500 duramax diesel and the dang thing shot a hole through the pos aluminum crap and also i had the brake pedel fall of of the main brake cylinder and so i had to ruin my allison transmission by down shifting all the way and also i had to slam it into reverse to keep it from hitting a dodge truck in front of me so looks like dodge is doing better then chevy hah so yea ide only go with dodge but if i really had to i would get a ford. but hell no i will never get a chevy again, idc if they had a topof the line rearend i would never buy one again so screw you all u chevy fkrs i go all the way dodge!

I JUST BOUGHT A FORD 2011, MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS SUCH A SUPERDOOPER MOTOR THEN WHY DOES IT ONLY HAVE A 60,000 MILE WARRENTY INSTEAD OF THE USUAL 100,000 MILE WARRENTY?

Fuel pump shaft came out lose when pulling it out and fell into engine. how can I get it out I have a 1997 F350 7.3 engine power strike

Why is not a possible the ford powerstroke 6.7L motor in Colombia?

Is a possible use the motor Ford Powerstroke 6.7 with 500ppm of sulfur

your artical is noty toataly correct. 03 was the last year of the 7.3 it was optional year for the 7.3 and 6.0

I have A 2009 Ford F-350 6.4L twin. This truck will kill dodge ram 2500-3500 in A race all day long hands down, GMC dosen't come close, As for fule I get 960 klm to A tank on the hwy, and 520 klm in the city, not bad when you tack in Its 98 litter tank, Now is that not better then dodge or GMC, I know it is my friend's drive dodge and GMC's and they just can't belive it. So before you put down Ford, Why dont you go drive one that's has already been brokin in. So go see for your self.

@ Hmmm

40% more parts in a V8 where did you get that number it's maybe 25% not 40%.
Anyway the quality is probably 40% more than the other diesel so what the heck?

what about the oil change

....and last i checked ford built this with THEIR money not the governments, hell if it weren't for our pos president there would be no more dodge or gm. I'll keep buying ford and supporting the free market. owned them my whole life 7 to date and have never had a reason to change.

I Was going to buy a New Ford Diesel Truck till I found out The New Diesel is not made in the USA. We THE USA PEOPLE is what made you what you are today NOT MEXICO not China but the USA SO WHEN ALL THE WORK IN THE USA IS GONE WHO WILL HAVE A JOB AND MONEY TO BUY YOUR PRODUCT. DON YOUNG

Why a V8, if not needed to have the torque, and not for the mileage and noise level while furthermore it needs more parts and therefore creates more internal friction what is Ford looking for here. I am a diesel engineer and i do not see any of their points to promote a V8. Why would an ocean steamer only run 4 or 5 cillinders ?
I am aware of all the problems and regret that we do not learn more from the diesel builders from Europe, maybe that will happen one day. Sorry to say that only one engine is trusted and on larger scale is imported in Europe and that is Cummins. Therefore I drive Cummins and take the Dodge happily with it
thanks

WOW!!!!WHOLE LOT OF MIXED THOUGHTS IN HERE...WELL HERE I STAND I HAVE OWNED DURAMAXX,CUMMINS AND POWERSTROKES ALL HAD THERE GOODS AND BADS BUT ALL WERE GREAT DIESELS JUST A MATTER OF PREFERENCE AS TO WHICH TRUCK YOU LIKE SO IF YOU WANT THE BEST TRUCK EVER BUILT BUY ONE OF EACH AND PIECE TOGETHER THE GREATEST TRUCK EVER OR SETTLE FOR WHICHEVER ONE MEETS YOUR NEEDS THE MOST.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THE GOOD FORD COME BACK PLEASE

wake up people,you cant beat a ford BUY A FORD if you want a truck that will WORK HARD

"I Was going to buy a New Ford Diesel Truck till I found out The New Diesel is not made in the USA. We THE USA PEOPLE is what made you what you are today NOT MEXICO not China but the USA SO WHEN ALL THE WORK IN THE USA IS GONE WHO WILL HAVE A JOB AND MONEY TO BUY YOUR PRODUCT. DON YOUNG" -Donald G Young

Do not go out buying a Chevrolet/G.M.C. Duramax then...Engineered/developed by Isuzu (Japan).

y dont they jest brang bake the 7.3

They cant bring back the 7.3 Powerstroke. First off they stopped doing business with IH/Navistar. Second the 7.3 would never meet todays emission(reason why they replaced it) and third, Ford needed a more powerful engine, without increasing emissions(another reason why they replaced it)

While the 6.0 was unreliable, it would run circles around the 7.3 and do it with lower emissions.

The 6.4 was basically a 6.0 on steroids, extremely modified and reworked, with a tune and exhaust, it will run circles around anything.

The 6.0 and 6.4 was however designed for larger commercial trucks(Maxxforce), and were choked by the strict emissions of the pickup class, which made them run too hot and break down. But in a Schoolbus they ran perfectly fine.

Hi.

Lots of comments here. Only a few accurate one.

First off. Its April 16th 2011 here today. Thers been 300,000 of these 6.7 trucks produced. one engine problem per 1000 units is stellar to say the least.

I drove one a week ago here in Edmonton. Set cruze at 100km (60mph) on flat ground, turning 4x4 diffs and a transfer case, on a loaded F350 long bed dually, I reset the fuel computer at leduc AB, and at the scales 16 KMs up the road, the trip computer was giving me 9.8 L/100kms (29MPG imperial) Holy ****

This truck has 29 km on the odometer. And POWER. OMG was terrific. So quite you could whisper in the cab.

Today I put in a factory order. White two wheel drive dually XLT with $16,500 worth of options including the $9,980 diesel engine option. MSRP was $66,455.90. Paid less than $48,000 and they are throwing in $1000 woth of excessories.

Hey, duramax and cummins fanboys. Have fun drillin into the box of your 70k investments so you can pull a 5th wheel trailer, that should be cool eh? lol. With this beuaty, Ford has added the integrated 5th wheel attachment points that sit below the box surface and you can pop her out in like 5 mins. Try that with your rattling, cheap plastic cummins.

Remember cummins fan boys, your whole truck is made in Mexico. Has about 1/2 the duty cpacity and is made so cheaply, that the interior resembes a lada in the way the thin crap is everwhere. Its a joke I know I looked at them.

Put your wife in the passengers seat and go on a long trip with your Dog,,errrrr Dodge, and listen to your wife cry about the BIG HUMP ON THE PASSENGERS FLOOR so you have no comply place to put your feet. Look at the armrest possition and its pathetic 4 inch leanght, really comphy eh? LOLOLOL. uh huh. Dodge has a good motor (minus the check engine lights every 3 mins) but the truck that is around it is absolute crap, cheap and thin. bump steer in the sterring wheel cause the front ends are so weak. No thanks, if you want a cheaptruck, buy a dodge then, they basically give em away now. The people that are buying dodgecant afford a quality truck like the Ford, simple.

Duramax? yeah,lol had to redesign the whole frame and it still cant pull a laoded trailerlike a Ford can. EPA exemtion because the emmisions are junk. Forget it.

Have fun with your lesser quality stuff, I'll stick to Ford for my $ You get what you pay for.

Bye Bye.

Go see the real world tests at youtue with Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs, Ford beats em all, in towing, hill climb, passing up a grade with trailer, fuel milage, sway control ect ect. They simply pound the competition. Simple

Oh man I might be in a bind! I have always been open to new ideas and I heard from a friend that the new 6.7 was one heck of a machine that Ford really invested a lot of time and effort into. I was in the market for a diesel truck to pull my fifth wheel, and so I bought the F-250 with the 6.7. I've only had it a few weeks and I am a tad bit nearvous that I might have made a mistake. I hope not, but now only time will tell. I have had fantastic luck with every Dodge I have ever had, but for some reason the Ford really caught me. I never had a Ford truck before, but the few cars I had were excellent, so I ASSumed the trucks would be better. I am deeply into this now, so I will get to see first hand! Wish me luck guys!!!!!

better gas milelege & and more horse power with the super chip.

The "Big Three", if there is such a thing anymore, need to get a V6 version of these on the market. Perfect fit for the 'midsize crowd' truck owners.
I don't know if it's a 'hangup' the auto industry has when it comes to getting these to market here in the US but they do need to "get over it"!

i heard from my two cuzins that work at Cummins ford asked if the could buy diesel engines from them cummins said,no then they asked cummins to help buil this new engine,so they help design it not build it do like they gave them the design

i like ford disel engines

Congratulations to Ford, for having the guts, and know how, to build their own diesel, in-house!

I am a ford guy I use-to have a 2003 f350 king ranch with a 6.0 powerstroke and I had to replace 7 injectors. Does the 6.7 ford have problems like that? It dosent have to be injectors just any things

I have had four 7.3 powerstrokes and they are awesome !!! Over 130,000 miles with NO MAJOR repairs and tree stump pulling brute power !!! Still going strong to this day !!! I have my doubts about alum heads and the new ' design '

I have a 2004 F350 Super Duty XLT with a 5.4 Gas Engine I use to tow my 5th wheel camper. It tows great but the gas mileage is awful.I only have 35000 mi on it,and is properly maintained. Could I install the new 6.7 diesel Ford came out with this year in my truck for better efficency and beef up my towing capacity in the event I want to go to a bigger RV? Also what would the cost be for the new diesel engine? to buy out right or can you refer me to someone who would take my engine on a trade and do the change over

Bill Pacuilli -

I am guessing that, with the year of your truck and with the low miles, you can still get a fair trade-in value for it. You would be WAY better off trading in your 2004 in on a 2011. You would end up spending a lot more money converting your 2004 than it would cost to buy a new truck. Good luck!

please forget about just buy a dodge i had i 2004 ford and never work good and whath ford do for me just they basicly show me the middle finger thanks god dodge take the piece a crap ford and soldme a new dodge and believe me this is great, i always like ford for many years and always same thing before this 2004 with 6.0 i bought i f-150 1999 and frame bend they just said factory defect but they dont do same nothing they sold me this 2004 with 6.0 and big sorprise more problems please before you buy a ford think about thanks every body for read this coment and becarefull

2011 f250 6.7 monster n love it

Had a 6.0 no like... Have had a v10 in my f350 since 2001 wow been a great work horse 300 on it problem free now bought the 11 model with 6.7 wow its a beast my 2 pals have a dura n a cumm dura is nice cummins runs good but he jas to leave n hour ahead of us so we dont wait for him... Im pleased so far n the fuel milage is 24-26 runnin wide open so we will see how long it goes love the fords been good to me n my family yall be good...

siusaluki-

Sure looks like Dodge (Ram) is still going strong. Picking-up more and more market share each month.

Jason black-

Congratulations on your Ford. They are awesome trucks. If I had a need to tow, heavy and regularly, versus my desire to off-road (in my Ram 2500 Power Wagon), I would have myself a; Ford F-250, 4X4 FX4, crew cab, long bed, with the diesel. Enjoy your Ford!

cant beat the old reliable 7.3l

piss on the 6.0, 6.4 and the 6.7, I have towed all of them and they all have issues that should be corrected and are not. Had a 6.7 with 500 miles on it, customer called in to have towed out of pocket, heads blew right off the block, explain that one? 6.0 towed in, seized up ...8000 miles - oil pump issues, 6.4, well, nothing surprised me, something let go on a test drive, the entire right side of the block was gone, nothing left to hold engine up, just tranny was holding engine in truck besides drivers side motor mount, 7.3 --- very rare, usually cam position sensor, never anything major

Pros: none
Cons: its a ford
Suggestion: Cummins !!!!

Anything other than a cummins isnt even worth talking about



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