Taj Mahauler: We Drive Mahindra's Diesel Pik-Up

Taj Mahauler: We Drive Mahindra's Diesel Pik-Up

It’s been more than two years since we first heard Mahindra was bringing small diesel pickups to the U.S. During that time we’ve covered a steady stream of news about the Indian company and its American distributor, Global Vehicles U.S.A., but we’ve most wanted to know: How will these trucks perform and can they live up to the high expectations of American truck buyers?

To find out we drove two foreign-market Mahindra trucks – a left-hand drive version of the recently updated Australian Pik-Up and a Scorpio SUV – down near Atlanta earlier this week.

The two trucks aren’t identical to the rigs that will go on sale here – the two-door TR20 and four-door TR40 pickups (coming in February, starting around $22,000) and the SUV (due later in 2010) – but they’re close enough so that the single cab Pik-Up and “mHawk” diesel-powered Scorpio give us a reasonable idea of what the stateside pickup will be like.

Mahindra Pik-Up
We drove a variant of Mahindra's Pik-Up that's sold overseas. It's almost identical to the Australian truck that went on sale this month, with updated interior and exterior styling and a 106 horsepower 2.5-liter common rail turbodiesel engine. The American TR20 and TR40 two-door and four-door pickups will share the same sheetmetal and interior design elements.

It was impossible to walk up to these Indian vehicles for the first time without thinking they have to have deficiencies and wanting to immediately start calling them out. Quality, design, power, driving feel – you name it and the concern exists. What we found was that parts of the trucks managed to only live up to our low expectations, but we also came away impressed -- no, stunned really -- by how well the trucks are setup in certain areas.

We drove the regular cab Pik-Up first with a 7-foot bed. It’s powered by Mahindra’s 2.5-liter common rail diesel engine that’s rated at 105 horsepower and 182 pounds-feet of torque and coupled to a five-speed manual transmission. It’s a generation earlier than the 2.2-liter mHawk and won’t be available in the U.S.

The Pik-Up recently got a styling overhaul that’s very close to how the TR20 pickup will look, but it hasn’t lost the boxy profile and fussy design elements that gives it the distinct vibe of a third-world hauler. It looks like the Japanese imports that hit these shores during the 1960s-70s.

On the outside, Mahindra has strengthened the looks of the front bumper and given its corporate logo a more prominent spot on the grille. The headlights have a contemporary look with embedded LED turn signals. The cargo box is old school, with external tie-down hooks like the ones that import trucks used to offer, but the bed is impressively deep and wide enough, at 5-feet 3-inches, easily handling 4x8 sheets of plywood. Rain gutters around the roofline carry water away from the windshield and doors.

2.2-liter mHawk Diesel Engine
The Scorpio SUV we drove is powered by Mahindra's all-new four-cylinder, 16-valve "mHawk" diesel engine. The mHawk was developed with assistance from leading global diesel engineering firm AVL and using a high pressure common rail fuel injection system supplied by Bosch. It's rated at 120 horsepower and 240 pounds-feet of torque, though the power ratings for the U.S. version will be higher. Its six-speed automatic transmission will be unique in the American midsize/compact segment.  

The upright cab is much taller than the relatively swept-back style of modern American pickups. There’s lots of headroom for a 6-foot-tall driver without hitting the ceiling, but the greenhouse feels smaller than we’re used to because the seating position is so close to where the A-pillar meets the hood. The only truck we can compare it to is the Hummer H3T, which has an A-pillar with an even more extreme angle; in the H3T, though, the driver sits several inches farther back from the dash cowl, giving it an airier feel.

The Pik-Up’s cabin width is compact. The recent styling update gave the truck bigger seats to fit wider American backsides, but this puts you right next to your passenger. It feels no wider than a Ford Ranger, the only true compact pickup left in the market. This is not a negative: Where some truck manufacturers got the notion that compact trucks had to grow into large midsize trucks, we don’t know, but we appreciate the Pik-Up’s width in tight parking spots and as a way to differentiate it from half-ton pickups.

The tight, tall cabin gives the driver excellent visibility out of the side windows and over the hood and the rear glass has integrated defrosters. The sightlines are best in class; you always know where the Pik-Up is in relation to other vehicles and when navigating tight spots.

Mahindra Pik-Up Driver Side Interior Shot
The Pik-Up's tall cabin provides excellent visibility over the hoodline and out the side windows. Fit and finish and material qualities are about two-generations behind comparable U.S. trucks. Note the large lever to the left of the steering column that adjusts the column up and down. There are four cupholders between the front seats.

The interior is the weakest part of the Pik-Up with controls and materials that are about two generations behind U.S. trucks and that all over the map in terms of quality, refinement and feel. Door sill plates are literally no more than bolted-down plastic strips and there are several points where the carpet ends before it meets the trim pieces or flows under the seats, dash or console. A strange vertical lever immediately to the left of the steering wheel is used for tilt control instead of being attached to the steering column. There are noticeable gaps where pieces of plastic join to frame components such as the turn signal stalk and the washer levers, the upper and lower portions of the dash and the glovebox. The advanced AM/FM/CD/MP3 audio system looks very similar to the Delco units in GM cars and trucks. It also has USB, auxiliary input and SD-card ports, something many U.S. midsize trucks don’t have. The HVAC controls each felt different when turned: The mode selector felt crisp and clean while the temperature control resisted each turn.

We drove the Pik-Up unloaded on a loop that took us around Atlanta’s suburban and rural roads and the Georgia 400 tollway. What most impressed was the Pik-Up’s driving manners. Mahindra’s pickups are naturally set up to carry those crazy-heavy payloads in developing countries, so we expected a joltingly stiff ride, but the version we drove has surprisingly good road feel. The steering isn’t numb or loose, but is reasonably solid. When we turned corners or changed lanes at highway speeds there was very little body roll or handling slop. The truck goes where it’s directed with minimal fuss. As much as we beat up on the interior, there weren’t any noticeable shakes or rattles, though the small cabin had louder than average wind noise. Overall, ride quality and noise, vibration and harshness is very competitive with current U.S. midsize pickups, if not superior to some. Shocking, we know, but it’s true. This is a truck that could function as a daily driver as well as a workhorse.

Mahindra Pik-Up
The U.S. pickups will have many standard safety features including driver and front passenger airbags, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and stability control. A four year, 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty will also be standard.

The 2.5-liter diesel and five-speed manual aren’t coming here, but they are well matched to the Pik-Up’s needs. The motor clatters like a modern diesel, not like the third world mill we’d expected. Every shift was clean except for third gear, which requires a longer throw to the right and more shift gate hunting than we’d like. The footwells are small and pedal spacing too tight for our wide American feet. It takes some getting used to make sure you don’t hit two pedals at the same time, which we did coming to a stop, when we put the truck in neutral while accidentally hitting the brake pedal and accelerator at the same time. You only do that once before you learn the right spacing for your feet.

The Scorpio SUV is a different story. It has a less powerful version of the 2.2-liter mHawk than the U.S. will receive – rated at 120 horsepower and 214 lbs.-ft. of torque in the Scorpio versus approximately 140 hp and 240 lbs.-ft of torque in the TR Series pickups -- but the powertrain feels significantly livelier than the larger 106 horsepower 2.5-liter motor, up to a point. It’s quiet too though there’s transient engine noise that leaks into the cabin during driving. The six-speed automatic transmission (coming to the U.S. as an exclusive in the small pickup truck segment) executes shifts smoothly and doesn’t hunt for the right cog, at least on the flat ground that we drove it on, but there’s noticeable turbo lag at times. We’ll be very interested to see what impact diesel engineering firm AVL has as a key supplier and consultant for Mahindra in tweaking the mHawk to meet the performance expectations of U.S. buyers. In the Scorpio, we wish we could combine the mHawk with the Pik-Up’s 5-speed manual to improve the performance band a bit more.

The Scorpio’s interior is much more luxurious than the Pik-Up’s, with leather seats, beige trim instead of gray and fake wood accents. It also has fit issues, but not to the degree of the Pik-Up.

Mahindra Pik-Up Passenger Side Interior Shot
The Pik-Up we drove comes with a 5-speed manual transmission. The U.S. truck will only be sold with a six-speed automatic though Global Vehicles executives say a manual transmission could be an option down the road. The advanced AM/FM/CD stereo system has an auxiliary input jack plus USB and SD Card ports.

On-road performance lags considerably in the SUV. There’s considerable body roll around turns, the handling and steering feels loose and sloppy. The brake pedal takes a lot of pressure to stop the truck, and even then, the disc brakes never seem to want to grip as hard as you’d like or need them too. None of this is particularly surprising, since the arrival of the Scorpio SUVs in the U.S. is much farther out on the horizon and they’re sure to be tweaked to American preferences. All we wanted to learn was how the mHawk powertrain performed and we came away relatively impressed and cautiously optimistic.

Overall, we’re impressed with Mahindra’s four-cylinder diesel pickup truck – much more so than before we drove it. The interior has glaring weaknesses but if this truck can live up to Global Vehicle’s marketing hype of up to 30 mpg, 1.3-tons of payload and 5,000 pounds of towing ability, Mahindra and Global Vehicles will have a pickup truck like no other to sell to U.S. truck buyers. They’ll effectively be competing in a segment of one and in cases where a heavy duty diesel is overkill for the application, we think they’ll be an excellent alternative to help out on a farm or construction site.

Mahindra Pik-Up
The vertical roll bar behind the cab will not be on Mahindra's U.S. pickups. Mahindra will also add a stamped steel rear bumper and front bumper guard to the trucks as standard equipment to meet federal standards for low-speed front and corner impacts.

Comments

"If its third world, why do you outsource to India ?"


The cost, pure and simple. For what other reason would somebody outsource? That's exactly where they get the third world nonsense. That, and the Tata Nano.

And yeah, you're correct, a bunch of the comments in this thread are somewhere between moronic and racist depending on which part of Pigsknuckle, Ky you hale from.

I want to drive this truck. I want this truck to succeed in the US. I want this truck to kick the toyota and ford markets in the berries hard enough that they start putting diesel engines in tacomas and rangers.

I think Mahindra is a victim of linear thinking.
this may be off the topic, but the chinese are already here.

http://www.tigertruck.com/index.html

with a lot less fanfare and media attention.

All warfare is based on deception.
Sun Tzu

As a European guy I've warned You earlier, that the Hindi/Chinese cars are very low quality engineered - You see that especially in the interior... Have You checked the fit quality of the body panels and other parts?

things keep going, the US will be a third wold country.

LOL

Just saw that www.mahindraofbeverlyhills.com is available for $70,000 on e-bay.

Hopefully Mahindra of South Jersey is allready bought and waiting to roll out.

I'm going to buy one a paint a red dot on the top of the windshield.

I think the most exciting part of this truck is the fact that its a small fuel efficient diesel. I grew up with full sized trucks towing boats - hauling horses - cord of wood etc.

The last time we did anything that required a full size "American" truck was back in the late 80's.

My tow car for the past 9years is a 2.5L 5spd Subaru sedan!

Probably the funniest thing I've ever seen is a family of very large people driving a very - very large "American" truck struggling to back their skidoo down the boat ramp. Only to have a guy in his honda Civic splash the same exact seadoo - go park his car and leave before the big truck people even touched the water.

My dad has a 98 ford explorer before that a F250. He is waiting for a small diesel passenger SUV so he can finally get a vehicle that gets good milege and still has some grunt for backcountry camping trips etc.

My purfect car take the 2010 Subaru Outback put a 3L turbo diesel in it with a 6spd manual. I'd be in heaven!

Joe,

What does "it is what it is" mean?

That doesn't make sense.

What

Uhhh, Wrong person. The Luigiian wrote that line.

Back to the truck and Alex's post, 300 horsepower and 6 - 8 liters are nice if you're rich and can afford all that fuel but not necessary for any but the most heavy duty work trucks. For your average Joe, 2.2 L and 30-ish mpg will be much more affordable. I'd like to buy American but they never offer what I'm interested in, which is precisely something compact, affordable, and still heavy duty like this truck here.

im buying one!

This is exactly the type truck we were looking for. Wanted a diesel to turn into a biodiesel. Wanted a small compact pickup for hauling straw etc Wanted a vehicle for dirt roads. However I am NOT willing to pay $20K for this vehicle. MAX $15K and I think that's too much. In this economy when vehicles are practically being given away, $20K way over the top.

I think they are shooting themselves in the foot before even getting started with that price.

I want one of these trucks! I'm looking at new trucks that are comfortable, but is a TRUCK. I can't find an American truck that really fits my needs for a reasonable price.

Yes the Mahindra has some 'deficiencies' when compared to the US trucks... but I want one!

Amitji

It is incorrect to paint racist comments to everything to close a view point. Facts are facts..see what hapepning in Australia (If you disregard the indian media reports and newspapers)

Software ?? Great ...it is because it is considered as the erstwhile typist job and hence outsourced to low wage/low skill level countries

expect the price to be around 15k...my friend works in the company....it would give other pikups a tough time :-)

Cheers!
Rob

hi sir
plz mahindra picup full detals sen me mail

I Like Mahindra Vehicle As its Value for Money.

Take Test drive and decide to buy I am sure you will find all features provided in this Truck will be Value for Money.

Why do Australian buyers get "the vertical roll bar behind the cab", whereas American buyers don't?

Maybe the company is hoping the Americans who roll the things won't be able to sue them because they'll be dead from breaking their necks.

OK, I have an 1986 Isuzu Pup Turbo diesel which I love from day one, & @ almost 200,000 miles ago. It has been VERY reliable, never having left me stranded. I get have always gotten 30 + MPG with the highest @ 36 MPG, but it also depends on how you drive!

So if this is as good as I now have it sounds really great!

It seems most any vehicle now days will run & run & run if properly maintained.

Love to be able to test drive one & see. My '86 turbo diesel with 80 HP moves quite well so this should walk all over it?
Chuck

Like all trucks in the US, Mahindra has learned to give us a smooth riding, convenient, comfortable, and expensive truck. The days of real trucks like those that built the farms across America, crawl the back 40, and haul those water tanks, are gone!
What's so different about a domestic truck and the 14-16K soft ride TR20? Stop fooling around and give us a real solid truck around 10K.

looks like great trucks like the old tough toyota's from the late 70's early 80's best generation. They have to bring them in diesels and 5 speed manuals. my only question will they reach 300,000 miles + with minimal maintence like toyota's?

Uh Vikram, India is a third world country by definition. Sorry.

I'm just a middle-aged guy who likes TOUGH RELIABLE things. Doesn't matter what it looks like, or how the interior is to me as long as the thing keeps working. I grew up in a part of the midwest where if things didn't get the job done, no one bought them. Just that simple. In the heartland of the U.S. (which is largely still agricultutal) we HAVE to have reliable mechanicals. Who needs fluff out here? LOL Not many, I dare say. We use small diesel engines in all kinds of equipment, and for good reason. Work a gas engine HARD day and night and it'll just not last long. One of my Amish friends said he doesn't like todays trucks (and yes, many do drive these days). Prefers the older ones. Says that there are too many fragile gadgets on new trucks, and I have to agree. When I tell him about this truck he'll be just thrilled. I like the utiltarian look. I look forward to owning one....... bad fit and finish and all. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B8ytfT48LY&feature=related...BUILD OF MAHINDRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA8H5Xm6lhk&feature=related....TORQUE of Mahindra

I really got excited to see this truck, I currently drive a 1988 2wd Ford Ranger 2.3l with no AC, manual tranny, manual brakes, manual steering, no radio, and no options of any kind except floormats. I thought I would have to drive it forever because nothing currently sold in America save maybe the base model 4x4 Tacoma even came close to being what a truck should be to me, a basic regular cab working machine with no frills. I was always so jealous when I would see pictures in National Geographic of the trucks driving in exotic locations with tie down beds, simple narrow steel wheels, tall profiles like they actually know what trucks are for. I want this vehicle more than any truck I've seen in a long time I have always wanted an excuse to buy a new vehicle so I don't keep having to search for 20+ year old trucks to fix up to get what only what I need. I don't want to compensate for a small member or show off to others how much debt I am in for what I drive. I just want a practical fuel saving small truck that offers only what I really need and nothing more. This kind of truck is perfect, pay cash and drive it for decades, perfect. Please bring it Mahindra.

I have been wanting a Toyota Hilux like my late granddad had, the ones with the bug turn signals on the hood and tie down hooks on the bed. Mahindra looks like it will flip the bill. I have owned a Dodge Dakota and Ram. Dakota is good size and Ram is just BIG. I am smaller than an average guy, so I am really looking forward to seeing and trying out this truck.

Man....what an ugly looking bas***d. And then its going to cost $22K....give me a break...
look at the cheap interior...this things is worse than those koreans makes 10 years ago...
let see if they can make it sell more than the first few....

Hopefully(if I read the dealer list correctly), I have to go to GALPIN FORD in North Hills(hurray!) to get one, yet I live in far-away Riverside County...oh, well, if it's worth the LOOOONG drive to Galpin to get one, I'll take it!...

Maybe in a few years, these will be 100% US-built(since Mahindra's farm equipment division has two assembly plants: Red Bluff, CA and Waycross, GA)...we all wish Mahindra good luck here!

I was seriously purchasing one, but the lack of a manual is a huge deal breaker.

Come on, who was thinking this through? A compact diesel pickup with only an automatic? Did they forget the KISS concept that makes this truck so desirable?

Why do I have a feeling this thing will be bloated by the time it hits our shores? I know Mahindra is not trying to aim for the bottom of the market, but if I was in the market for a "luxury" pickup, I would buy from one of the market leaders and not an upstart.

Keep it as simple as the regulations will allow and this truck will be successful. Try and go against the Big Three or the Japanese midsized trucks and Mahindra will surely fail.

im ready for one! i just wish i could get a manual trans! my '93 4.0 ranger only gets 10 while towing my 6x10 box trailer and at best will only get 20 by itself. i like the old-school styling. this is the kind of truck i could keep for 20+ years!

I think its a excellent vehicle, sell it for under 20k with few options, and Im sold. The real problem is the green movement which isn't at all about saving the enviroment, rather earning money on scams by working people up about problems that have no scientific basis, and make no sense. Read Al Gore, Nancy Pelosy Head of EPA, or idiots. The reason this company has to charge what it will and why a lot of diesel vehicles as well as others WILL NOT come to North Amcerica is because of the previous mentioned loosers, and California. Since when did California Air Resources Board tell other states what to do? I hate California for this and many other reasons. Its not Mahindras fault for the price, its the LIBERALS!!

Auto vs. manual:

My personal experience includes 6 autos (5 no trouble, one with minor problems) and 17 manuals (7 no trouble, 4 with minor problems, 6 with major failures).

I used to drive a school bus in a fleet that was half manual, half auto. The mechanic told me he replaced three clutches and a manual trans every year, and an automatic every two or three years.

We outsource because they will work for less money; thus costing American companies less. If you ever tried calling customer service for AT&T you will know what i mean.

I'd love to say thank you India for bringing a truck here that I've been waiting for Chevy to build ever since they killed the diesel LUV.Really the fact it doesn't have a manual trans is a deal breaker for me also. How on earth do you build a diesel mini truck and not have a manual trans as an option? Seriously?

Homeowner,landowner like myself only needs a compact truck. High fuel milage is very important with living in a rural area and going distance for everything. Have been extremely happy with my VW diesel wagon with 5 speed and will never understand the missed market by ALL the companies. I am lining up to buy this diesel Mahindra even though I want a manual transmission. Maybe Ford and Toyota will bring the compact diesel trucks they have in other countries when they see the response. The "M"dealer to be in my area says the phone is ringing off the hook about this truck.

Very interested in looking and driving one of these.Where may I locate one I live in Chester, S C but willing to drive to check out a 4 door diesel automatic transmision I might be in wisc. Illinois soon so Please email me as to where I may see this pickup

It's too bad racism exists. Narrow minded, insecure little people that need to belittle others to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Back on topic - as it stands Mahindra pickups will be subject to the 25% chicken tax until they start an assembly plant in the USA. I read that the importer was trying to lobby the government to give them an exemption based on "Environmental" grounds becuase of the good MPG ratings of the trucks. The Detroit 2.5 are still in precarious financial state so I doubt that would ever happen. The chicken tax will kill any chance of this being a cheap truck.

Everyone likes to compare this truck to a Ford Ranger; there is a flaw in this.
First, the Ranger has no Diesel engine.
Second, the Ranger doesn't have a quad cab.
Third, the Ranger in four wheel drive and the biggest cab it can have is not priced cheaper; I've priced it here locally.
Fourth, Mahindra was (since WW 2) and is a builder of Willys JEEP vehicles and has a rep for longevity and quality.
Fifth, the Ranger four wheel drive never came with Dana 44 style axles (Off Road anyone).
Sixth, the Ranger is at best 1/4 ton truck not a 1.3 ton hauler.
Seven, the Ranger has never clocked 30+ mpg in any configuration.
Comparing these two trucks is like comparing a mule to a shetland pony.
The Ranger may be cheaper but it doesn't have the capability of this new truck.

I just hope that Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, and Nissan are paying attention; shrink the Colorado, Dakota, and Takoma, put a diesel engine in it and sell it here.

I've owned trucks from Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, Jeep; if this one makes good on half of it's reported abilities it will out perform all the trucks from the big three that i've owned.

I'll buy one; make mine silver, 4x4, quad cab.

I'm excited simply to see another truck company (be it Indian) compete in an already established market place! It wont be easy, I remember when Hyundai first entered, the crap it dealt with..and now its a force to be reckoned with! Some of you, are making this about Indians and its not. Yo, BSK, dont ever look where the parts in ur car are made. Dont ever by RCA TVs (tubes), or Sylvania brand anything. Tea, dont drink it. The biggest tea company in the world may or may not be Indian, ofcourse in America its all produced in Florida! And god forbid you should ever use hotmail! Learn to love globalization guy, and even if there maybe some patriotism behind it...why would you want to be offended?? And please..whatever you do, DO NOT GO AROUND picking up a forbes to see the list of billionaires in Asia it may surprise you!

living in Canada and being a ranger owner i wish someone would make this truck available up here


While Mahindra will probably not be successsful with this truck in the US they may force better Known manufacturers to address the needs and wants of a slimmer US economy. After 30+ years of full sized pickups and vans I have recently purchased a Jeep Cherokee with the CRD-V6 diesel, at 7,200LBS towing capacity it rivals my Ram 1500 but regularly gets 28 mpg vs. 14 for the dodge. Problem 2. By my observation only 30% of light truck buyers select their trucks for purely hauling/towing, the rest purchase only on looks and gadgetry. The best way to convince truck builders is to let your wallet handle the negotiations prior to signing up for what they want to offer.

Sorry, but this is what I would have thought a Daewoo truck would have been if they ever produced one. Ick!

i own the scorpio suv overseas.....its with the 5 speed mhawk ... had it for 2 years but only drive it 3 weeks of the year when im there.............it takes a beating but build quality is no the same as here ...but the diesel is great

It's nice to finally hear an update and a firm availability date for these trucks. I might wait until the 4-door 5-speed is available. Too bad they're putting off introducing the diesel-electric hybrid!

I really think that having the 4-cyl diesel in small trucks (Toyota Tacoma, I'm looking at you) makes a lot of sense for the usual applications they're used for, and vastly improve the fuel economy. Even better, the towing and payload can be higher!

Vikram,
We know this already, ignore the angry Paki Amit Das.

See you in the cricket soon.

Love from Australia:-)

@Kevin,

I think the more appropriate comparison would be the european 2.5TD ranger. They make a diesel, crew cab pickup overseas but not here.... it is such a shame. I hope I get to drive one before I make my next vehicle purchase decision.

I think it would be a great seller if the options was liminted and the price was under the 15-k range.
ie: regular cab only with A/C and options for 2 or 4wd, manuel or automatic transmission. Would make great commerical lease trucks (parts carriers) or myself wanting one for a farm truck to carry feed or run to town and leave the 12 mpg Dodge at home hooked to the trailer.

$22,000.00 and up?? No thank you... I understand that is cheap as far as trucks go and it is a CRD, but thats a bit too much for this IMHO. I like the utilitarian look, but I just don't think it's worth that much.

btw, I am a diesel guy, I own 2 PSD Ford trucks's and a Cummins powered Hotrod, as well as make my own bio diesel.



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