U.S. Importer Says Mahindra Pickup Has Come A Long Way

U.S. Importer Says Mahindra Pickup Has Come A Long Way

It’s been a long wait for Mahindra to bring its compact diesel pickup truck to the U.S., but execs are saying that delay allowed them to make sure “they’ve got it right.” Still, though, the results of safety and emissions test remain unknown, and could still represent a hurdle to the truck’s arrival on these shores.

Six months away from selling the Indian-built pickup, John Perez, CEO of distributor Global Vehicles U.S.A., is bullish about the trucks’ final preparations and their progress meeting government certification.

“From where we started to where [the truck] is today is a huge improvement,” Perez said this week. “Mahindra has done exactly what they promised to do three years ago. They said they weren’t going to come to the U.S. market until they had it right. They’ve got it right.”

Perez says serial delays that have pushed back the introduction from the first quarter of 2009 to February 2010 are because Mahindra knows the high quality standards that American truck buyers expect.

“Mr. Mahindra said we’re not sending a truck to the United States -- we’re sending the family name,” Perez said. “It’s a matter of pride to them to come to this market. Unlike other countries where they just ship cars to make money, to them it is not just about money, it’s about pride.

“It’s better for us as a distributor and its better for consumers,” Perez said, “rather than trying to rush into the market.”

In addition to sourcing powertrain and interior components from Tier 1 auto suppliers such as Bosch, AVL and Lear, Mahindra has reached out to Mercedes-Benz for help testing the pickup to meet U.S. safety and emissions standards. Mercedes has been putting the trucks through their paces both in Europe and at a test center in Laredo, Texas.

How’s the truck done so far?

“The [front and side impact] crash testing is done,” Perez said. Mahindra “hasn’t shared the results with us yet but they’ve told us they’re much better than even they expected.”

The pickup will add a front bumper guard that's similar to an aftermarket guard as standard equipment and a stamped steel rear bumper. Both enhancements are unique to the U.S. market to pass low-speed crash tests which call for the front and rear bumpers to survive 2.5 mph direct and 1.5 mph corner impacts without damage. The trucks also have standard stability control and four-wheel disc brakes.

Testing to ensure that the truck’s diesel powertrain is able to meet clean air standards will be finished by the end of August and turned over to the EPA in September, Perez said.

Perez is also confident the truck has finally received its name after the earlier “Appalachian” moniker was dropped.

TR20 and TR40 (designating the two- and four-door models) “will be the official names,” Perez said.

Occupying a unique niche in the truck market, with fuel economy expected to be at least 30 mpg and payload capacity of 1.3 tons, Perez thinks it’s the right truck for the times.

“What we’re bringing to the U.S. is what the United State government is saying we need in the future, which is smaller bodies, more fuel efficient with more carrying capacity.”

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Mahindra Scorpio on German Autobahn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0xIFdiBN5Q

Mahindra in brasil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3b6V4qCVcA

I commend the Mahindras for wanting their vehicles to be right from the start.

Why can't Ford put a small diesel in their Ranger. There is a demand a compact pickup that gets good mileage for people who commute distances and don't want to buy a small car.

this truck is going to a fill a niche serving people who prefer value for money over big name or looks. just take the truck around wherever you want and don't worry about a scratch on it. It looks to be an ok truck with decent reliability and power and will be a do or die for mahindra getting foothold in US. if they hold the beachhead, then big 3 & jap 3 gotta watch their back and already they have enough to worry about. At the end, it will benefit the consumer as competition gets bigger. More focus on fuel economy and less reliance on foreign oil.

@olliec
Why can't Ford put a small diesel in their Ranger. There is a demand a compact pickup that gets good mileage for people who commute distances and don't want to buy a small car.

Additional diesel build cost will eat in their profit. and they'll just cannibalize their other trucks as diesel gets better mileage and towing. Also if you try upgrading ranger, you will soon hit the lower end of f-150s costwise.

i am so excited about this....the looks are kinda so so...but if you have one vehicle this is the type of thing to have..great gas mileage, great hauling potential..tr40 has a backseat...if it drives well and shows to be reliable, i'm getting one

In concept I find it interesting but I really believe it will fail to deliver.
They haven't been selling squat in this country and they are going to come in and try to sell pickups?
I will definitely check them out, but to be truthful, I can't imagine buying one for years just to see how it shakes out.

Maybe this will light a fire under the 'established' sellers in the US to get similar diesels into the Colorado, Ranger, Tacoma, Frontier and Ridgeline. And since Jeep and Mahindra share a little history, and diesels are no strangers to Jeep, it would be nice to see a Wrangler based pickup.

Most importantly, I think other like minded drivers are looking for value and reliability over the latest and greatest gadgetry in vehicles. I'd drive a crew-cab Ranger with a diesel with the same old 90's styling and lack of 'bling' if the price is right.

I'm looking forward to a test drive.

Leftlane,
Mahindra has been selling tractors in the states for quite a while. Granted they are not a John Deere, but not everyone can afford a John Deere (I cannot believe I said that). This would be more for a true truck buyer, kind of like what the Toyota pickup first was when it came out.

Mike,
Can you get us some hard numbers on the cost? Rumors are they will be quite a bit more expensive than people are expecting.

@bman: No hard numbers yet but it's also not different than what we've previously reported: Starting in the low $20Ks. Probably $22K for a regular cab 2WD to as high as $28K for a fully-loaded double cab 4WD.

That seems a little on the high side for what you're getting, an Indian truck. I would be worried that they had to bring the quality up to make it right. What was it like before?

i hope they know its not worth 25,000 and price it in the 10-15k range. i also want a stick, not a flippin auto.

Our big three, small pickups are almost full size. many may not remember the 70's when the Japanese brought in their small trucks and the US copied them with the Courior and small RAMs. this truck reminds me of those models. seems small enough to run as a weekend hauler and weekday go to work vehicle. I sure would be interested in 4 door. I just don't understand how the American companies let this get buy especially Ford. They sell a 4 door Ranger almost everywhere except here. Then they wonder why they are in the predecament that they are in.

I still think this truck would be much more successful if they introduced a TR30 extended cab. There are many truck drivers like myself who simply will not buy a cramped regular cab or a 4 door with no bed. Build an extended cab and I might buy one.

Mike,

Just curious. How do you get the quotes that you use in your articles? I don't see them either in the press link on Mahindra's site or in the pitchengine site for Mahindra.

As a second question, do you know when they will release a list of their dealers? I have e-mailed them a couple of times and not received an answer about dealers in South Jersey.

hahahaha what a POS, ford needs to put one in the Ranger.

@Joe: I had a dream that I talked to Mr. Perez and that's what he told me. ;-)

Seriously, though, I flew to Atlanta on Monday and met with him and other executives at GV's headquarters. Those quotes are his answers to my questions.

They haven't released the full dealer list yet but they have 345 now signed in every state except Hawaii and Alaska.

@ Casey:

Right on. A "TR30" extended cab is absolutely the most common-sense option for an average Joe, for all the reasons we've bashed to death already (see all previous Ranger, A-BAT and Mahindra news posts).

As purely a worker and/or farm truck, I could see the TR20's appeal, but guys, what the hell do you see in a double-cab with a uselessly small bed?!?! I guess I just don't get it, but try sticking a mountain or motocross bike, ATV, snowmobile, or heaven forbid some real working materials like plywood or drywall sheets, blocks or soil in there and then get back to me on how well that works in your piddly 4-foot bed. HINT: Leaving the tail gate down to "fit" that stuff isn't your escape answer.

And then of course, if M were to make a TR40 with a 6-ft bed option as Toyota does with the Tacoma, we'd be approaching half-ton body length, so what's the point?

King-cab or bust.

Hm, I have heard the $22K and up pricing projections. No offense to anyone, but "where is the beef"? One can buy a very decent late-year used Tacoma for under $17K (one of my colleagues did) and still have a nice bunch of cash for gas, maintenance, and insurance.

@Nick:

Such attitude did it for the big 3. disregard the competition and think short term. If they had paid close attention(or even copy) toyota/honda/nissan and not just dismiss them as they did when those companies arrived, we won't need to bail them out now. It will take atleast 2-3 yrs before truck is evaluated by customers. I don't rule out their failure. But from what i see, it does not look like it. Consumer is god & let them decide it.

I think its kinda cool, however it would most likely sell better if the price was under 20K for the 2wheel reg cab version. A small truck like that getting 30mpg may do better than expected and compete well with the small truck market.

I agree with scooby on the 15K price and manual tranny.

I have one of these trucks in Brazil, lookout Americans and Japanese,
these trucks are awesome. The quality is better than Toyota. My truck
has 187,000 km and I have done nothing except change oil and put diesel
in it. I get the equivalent of 35 mpg in Brazil on rough roads. I had
to wait 3 months to get mine because they were on back order.

That's a damn ugly truck for the 22k-28k range.

The price point isn't in line with it's looks. It looks like a slightly updated Courier from the 70's and that's the price it will command. A cheap entry level truck needs a cheap entry level price. Diesel or not.

Not 22-28k.

Stay tuned. We've got another Mahindra truck story coming shortly that I think many will be interested to read.

Mike,

Thanks for the picture. It's my new desktop.

I can't wait for the TR20's to come in. For me it's the perfect option. I need the longer bed to carry my kayak in. I need the auto tranny 'cause I ride my truck on the beach from Sept. to June. With a manual it only takes one slip of the clutch and you are up to the frame in sand.

Right now I have a Golf tdi and a F250 sitting out front. Mahindra would be the perfect way to only have one vehicle.

Bring it on.

I think when this vehicle collapses in a 30+ mph crash test,buyers will be running the other way.This thing looks antique,and small.Looks like a 1970s Datsun Lil Hustler pickup,and those were not roomy at all.
While they are bringing retro pickups back,lets see vintage Ford Broncos,and 80s K-cars make a comeback too.

I agree that it ain't a looker but it does look very utilitarian to me and frankly I prefer that over the overwrought designs of many pickups today.
I really do want a utility vehicle, not a limo/pickup.

Someone told me International Truck dealers will be selling these things.

I own one 4 door truck in Madrid. It is great. We get 14 kpl (about 34 mpg) and the quailty is much better than the Toyotas I've seen here in America. For our friends in the US you've got a real truck coming.

@shazam man...a wrangler based pick up would be nice..they had a concept but decided not to because it would only hurt sells for the 1500

@Paul
You should start checking some facts. Truck can't be sold here if it does not pass US crash test + emission regulations. it is as simple as that.

check out this ANCAP test on mahindra pik up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzVoEAdcvKg
It is their old model + does not even have airbags and performed okay than some other trucks. I think it will take just bit more structural design changes and airbags to comply with US crash test regulations. But certainly does not appear impossible.

As contrast, check out this mazda truck with airbags of same year and that is what you call a tin can.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibSdr0rqtU

In re: previous Ford Ranger comments: Ford has a 4 door Ranger WITH small diesel for sale and on the road in both the U.K. and Australia for several years now. Ford claims the U.S. will not buy diesel vehicles (tell VW that i.e. Jetta TDI sales). Ford also only truck manuf. w/out a 4 door small truck in the U.S.

Mike;
When is your next article due out on the Mahindra? Also, when are they anticipating sending out the dealer list? There's a dealer in NC (Safeway Chevy) already taking $500 deposits.

The US launch of Scorpio pick up will have positive implications on the quality of entire Mahindra fleet. If Mahindra has brought itself to the level that it can produce vehicles that adhere to US safety and emission standards, the same can become a norm in India. Mahindra's launch in US will not only help it create a niche for itself but also elevate Indian auto standards.

It is really commendable what Mahindra is doing.

@Mike,

I have some issues with your numbers.
Are you telling us that we're going to have to pay three thousand dollars more than the Australians have to pay once the funds have been converted?

If that the case, Mahindra can pretty much kiss my ass.

Mike, I should have posted some numbers to back up my statements. Here you go.

Prices start from $23,990 for the single cab rear-wheel-drive and go all the way to $29,990 for the dual cab 4×4.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/4701/2007-mahindra-pikup-4x4-road-test/

Live rates at 2009.08.28 18:25:54 UTC
29,990.00 AUD
=
25,220.37 USD
Australia Dollars United States Dollars 1 AUD = 0.840959 USD 1 USD = 1.18912 AUD

Here's Australia's full price guide for Mahindra.
http://www.pressportal.com.au/news/866/ARTICLE/4618/2009-03-18.html

The new Mahindra Pik-Up pricing will be available until March 31st 2009:

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Single Cab 4 x 2 Cab/Chassis
Was $ 19,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $16,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Single Cab 4 x 2
Was $ 21,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $18,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Double Cab 4 x 2 Cab/Chassis
Was $ 23,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $21,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Double Cab 4 x 2
Was $ 25,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $23,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Single Cab 4 x 4 Cab/Chassis
Was $ 22,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $20,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Single Cab 4 x 4
Was $ 24,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $22,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Double Cab 4 x 4 Cab/Chassis
Was $ 27,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $25,990 (Inc GST)*

Mahindra Pik-Up 2.5 CRDe Turbo Diesel Double Cab 4 x 4
Was $ 29,990 (RRP Inc GST) Now $26,990 (Inc GST)*

@Don: I can't say for certain but I assume the reason the Australian truck costs less than the U.S. numbers we're hearing (they haven't been finalized) is because the Aussie truck uses an older engine and doesn't have to meet U.S. emissions.

DPFs, urea, EGR - they all add to make it very expensive to federalize a diesel engine for the U.S.

Well it'll be interesting to find out where the final pricing comes in. I'm not sure if Mahindra is aware of it or not, (real subtle hint) but I have a cut off point on their vehicles, which is $25,200 (us) for a 4wd crewcab, packing a six speed automatic.

Once they surpass that number, I go to my local Chevy dealer and buy a full size. I'm a mason, so whatever happens, the truck gets a workout.
Nothing personal, but they set the bar and I won't exceed it.

what a POS, trucks a joke and is pointless, just like the tundra it can never touch Ford, chevy or dodge, Ford is #1 Quality in the world now.

Mike Levine,
Any data on the percentage of parts made in India or elsewhere? I'm guessing with Bosch, AVL and Lear involved all parts are NOT made in India?

@Mike

Any word on potential accessories, winches, suspension lifts, skid plates? I'd love to purchase one of these as a second vehicle for towing, hauling, and hunting. I have heard they will have a locking differential, but how many and will that be standard? One last question, what will the tow rating look like? I know the payload is ridiculously high, but is that also reflected in Towing?

@Others
Why do some of you expect this truck to sell for less than the Ranger or Colorado? If the numbers being quoted are correct, the truck is much more capable than either of those.

@PhilliB: No word yet on accessories. Towing is expected to be 5,000-pounds, according to Mahindra. We'll see. As for price, you get what you pay for and trade-off for better fuel economy and capability. The Mahindra truck says it will give you both but you'll have to pay for that.

Any new information on the Mahindra pickups? I hope they are able to get them to the US. I will definitely take one for a test drive. It might help Toyota bring the Helix to the US. I kind of like the looks.



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