I will stick with the Power Wagon and its more capable 4 wheel dr. system. Raptor 4x4 of the year Pffffff LOL What a joke!

Even driven a Raptor D57H? Or a Power Wagon? LOL

Alex,

Don't waste your time. Another easy win for the Raptor.

Look at the suspension setup on both these trucks, It does not take a rocket scientist to see which is a true off roader for 90% of what the population use's them for. When is the last time you saw IFS on a true off roader/rockclimer??????? Dont even say Hummer H1 to slow and big and expensive. I also love the 7 lug wheels Ford is starting to use on there 1/2 ton trucks! I guess someone has to keep the aftermarket Co in Bussiness. Cant wait to see how many warranty claims there will be on the IFS componets. And to answer Alex's question YES tho for a true 4x4 action a Jeep Rubicon Wrangler is still king of all new vehicles!!!

hummer h3t is a off road,raptor is only good in sand pit,,,

It is a baja truck not a rockclimber or heavy offroader.

Pitting a TOYota against a Raptor and a Power Wagon. They should just put the Toyota back on the hauler before its frame snaps or the throttle sticks!

The true comparison should be half ton to half ton, not half ton Raptor to heavy duty. The Power Wagon is nice for a heavy duty truck but Ford has the best half ton offroad truck.

Does anyone think Ford should make a heavy duty version off road truck too?

Congrats and hats off to ford for building it which is more than I can say for all other makes besides the ram. A few things that I dont like about the raptor is the fact that it has less payload capacity than a ranger and its towing capacity is way too low. I would also say the motor is pathetic as a reason but the new 6.2 will solve that problem. I must say that this by far the best looking f150 ford has ever made. This will appeal to well off people who can afford a single use pickup. The price starts out low but lets face it the average joe looking for a new truck with some off road capability who actually uses his truck will pass it on by.

Has anyone else noticed that both magazines (Off-Road & P4WOR) are owned by the same company? Source Interlink Media publishes both. Basically, I think the editors got together, each agreed to pick one or the other, & write about it. Seems like the off highway experts just refused to pick an outright winner. So, pick whichever one you like.

There are 2 cores of staffers one liked the pw and the other the raptor. Why should anyone (publisher) dictate to them which vehicle to choose. They have their criteria and have used it for years. This is not the first time different winners have been chosen. Until you have read the entire article from both magazines its rather silly to be bashing on them and contemplating conspiracy theorys.

Raptor kicks ass, dodge powerwagon is gay, ford invented off roading, these trucks will run 250,000 miles no problem

@ Jeff - you are bang on.
People should read the tests, look at the test criteria, and look at what they want and/or need in a truck, and then buy that truck.
Slagging the Raptor for not being a rock climber is outright dumb. Slagging the Powerwagon for not being smooth at 60 MPH in the desert would be just as dumb.
People slagging the Raptor for poor towing or load capacity have absolutely zero understanding as to how suspension works.
Rigid load carrying springs work fine in the PowerWagon because the wheels travel through their arc slowly. The rigid 3/4 ton springs don't impede wheel travel at slow wheel speeds. At high wheel speeds the stiff springs will interfere with the wheel moving through it's arc. A solid axle at slow speeds does not interfere with ride. A solid axle at high wheel speeds will transmit forces to the opposite wheel. This will impair the opposite wheel's ability to respond smoothly to terrain irregularities.
The Raptor's IFS allows for independant wheel travel. One wheel will not transmit it's inertia to the other wheel.
The Raptor's "soft, load carrying springs allow rapid wheel travel. This is great at high wheel speeds (any instance where the wheel has to move fast through it's arc). This allows the shocks to do their job of controling wheel travel.
I can see why Ford had Fox build "internal" bypass shocks. Most people would royally screw up the shock settings if they had external adjustability. I've seen this problem time and time again with dirt bikes and high performance sport bikes.
If you don't like the results of this test, then go and buy the other magazine.

rampen,

How old are you?

You have never off-roaded in your life have you?

Most that have actually went off-roading with clubs, etc... have seen Toyota's out there and they hold their own...

Your comments are nothing short of ignorance!

D57H,

"for a true 4x4 action a Jeep Rubicon Wrangler is still king of all new vehicles!!!"

Says who? I do not feel like bird watching when I go off-roading at such slow speeds that a Jeep can handle because I like to go slow but also higher speeds off-road and my old 86 Toyota pickup can handle the slow stuff but she can handle the higher speeds likewise...

Your Jeep you claim as the king is only 1 dimensional, it only handles the slow stuff, big deal my little Celica All-Trac can do that!

By the way I have seen IFS rock crawlers, they are out there...

But why do I have to climb over a little 12 inch boulder when I can drive over one with my 17 inches of front ground clearance, rear axle 14 inches above the ground and the frame at 23 inches above the ground!

Plus your little Jeep has little cargo capacity and/or payload compared to my pickup, so I can carry more off-road and those Toyota's from the mid 80's have better reliability than your Jeep so breaking parts would not be common...

My truck has been to Baja and survived the world's toughest off-road races and many times I have driven them home after the races. You encounter just about everything down in Baja, it is the ultimate test of the machine and man!

Toyota builds NOTHING from the factory like Rubicons, and PowerWagons and Raptors. With front and rear lockers, dissconectable sway bars etc. Rubicons and Powerwagons can handle the fast stuff also and for your info there reliability is awsome, and they dont break parts.

At OXI

WOW a Cellica really hu????? Well that explains it all!!!! Funny that Toyota does not make the cellica or a solid axle pickup anymore hu. Hence NEW vehicles!!!! Nuff said!

toyota does have the FJ cruiser.... im by no means a toyo fan but that is a very capable off roader.

D57H,

Yeah its called owning an older one and my Celica All-Trac is safer in the winter driving than any pickup out there!

Why should Toyota make a solid axle front pickup?

The market does not demand it and they suck off-road because they lack ground clearance and you cannot go higher speeds off-road with one, hence good job Toyota, solid axle fronts are for the kids that want to go really, really slow off-road so they won't break parts...

Lou,

I will give you credit for your last post. +1

If I recall correctly OXI, the raptor did run the Baja and did very well. I guess that shows that ultimate test. Right?

rampen,

"Toyota builds NOTHING from the factory like Rubicons, and PowerWagons and Raptors. With front and rear lockers, dissconectable sway bars etc. Rubicons and Powerwagons can handle the fast stuff also and for your info there reliability is awsome, and they dont break parts."

A REAL off-road vehicle is not a factory built one. A true off-roader takes the factory vehicle as a base to build upon because the factory will NEVER build a solid off-roader that goes beyond the farm and construction site...

I can buy a 4 cylinder Tacoma 4x4 (with a rear locking diff from the factory) and build it up with 33 inch tires cheaper than buying the Ram or Raptor stock!

Translation: I will go further off-road with those 33 inch tires under the Tacoma than those 2 heavy trucks stock off-road!

With the Jeep you can fix that one up also better than the Ram and Raptor stock and still have money left over but with the Jeep you have no cargo/payload to carry anything with and you cannot handle high speeds off-road with a solid axle front...

Frank,

So did the new 4-Runner (#778, even driven by Ivan Stewart himself to the finish line) but at least the 4-Runner finished 2nd in class by a mere 9 minutes out of first place!!!

And a Lexus LX-570 finished 2nd in class in the stock full size class to boot...

Where did the Raptor finish in the stock classes?

Toyota pickups are creditied for winning a war against heavy tanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

With that pic in the upper right, that's what a typical Toyota pickup can do and around the world they use them like that...

too bad rod hall racing's hummers won both of those classes in the race...and the stock adventure h3t has 33 inchers and front and rear lockers and 11 inches of clearance stock ive seen them rock krawl run moab trails and pretty much everything else so if i wanted a stock truck to offroad with that would be my choice.

oxi: I have off roaded pleanty of times and i have pulled lifted Toyotas out of stuff that my full size Ram went threw with no problems, I have also run in riverbeds,fields, jumps etc that scared my passengers and NOTHING broke. Just for your information i not a kid that wantds to go slow off road and break parts.

Oxi,
8th place.

@Oxi, I just wanna know what you have been smokin because your posts make no sense. Besides anyone with half a brain can figure out your numbers are not quite adding up. At the end of the day when all is said and done after you have thrown all that money in your yota all you have is still just a toy.

Raising the bs flag on you: According to oxi math you only have 9" from the bottom of the pumpkin to the bottom of the frame. Would like to see that pos running a baja type race because with that little of suspension travel you would be smashing on your bumpstops over every little hill you took at even 20mph.

Both are nice truck that cater to different offroading tastes.

They are both expectionally capable off road beasts, a lot more capable than a "Taco on 33's" haha.

Can't wait to see the 6.2's or Coyote 5.0's in the F-Series.

OXI,
Wow !! You are a piece of work !!!

How is your Celica safer than any pickup ?

In a collision your little clown car will be crushed as will you...

Remember bigger is safer !!! As logic would prevail,even NHTSA says that with every crash test they do...

Also,You make no rational sense....Around the world terrorists use Toyota's ,as the link you provided shows.. ..that is one reason why I will never buy one,plus Toyota's horrible reliability record.Also the Toyota's they used did not go head to head with tanks..you think a cheap small Toyota is stronger than a tank ? You are crazy....keep drinking the kool-aid..

ZeeZee,

Your a tool that does not understand anything!

My Celica AllTrac is LOWER to the ground and is an AWD, translation in winter driving, it is safer than a light rear-end 4wd pickup that has a higher center of gravity.

Most vehicles that are in ditches in the winter are 4wd pickups and SUV's because they are so light on their rears and they spin their tires easy and lose control!

By the way when you crash in a ditch and start to roll that massive weight will now be crushing the roof of your pickup, so hope your cab does not crush inward. Gross vehicle weight does NOT mean a safer vehicle, better design, crumple zones that can absorb an impact as well as air bags, etc... is what makes vehicles safer today, not gross vehicle weight that just translates into more force to stop when you crash into a tree or barrel roll into a ditch and so forth...

Just because Toyota's are the most popular global pickup does not mean you have to hate them because of that!!!

Our Special Forces use Toyota pickups in Iraq and Afghanistan, what else do you think the locals drive?

Read into the Toyota battle, these were 400+ Toyota pickups sent into battle against heavy tanks, these Toyota's were not going to go into a demolishion derby, these Toyota pickups had anti-tank weapon systems mounted in their beds and while heavy tanks are slow and clumsy to maneuver with, the Toyota pickups were fast and highly manueverable and could fire anti-tank weapons and destroy the tanks!

Read into the battle how Toyota pickups won the war!

Toyota pickups could also blend in with the locals and then ambush tanks and so forth, your not thinking bud, but the facts speak for themselves and I do not see any other make of pickup being creditied for winning a battle and a war against hevay tanks other than heavily armed Toyota pickups!

You will see a Toyota pickup in every part of the world, you will not see a Chevy, Ford or Dodge pickup everywhere in the world, big differance!

Toyota's have also crossed Antarctica and made it to the North Pole, the first mechanized vehicles to accomplish these tasks...

Jeff,

My 86 pickup had 17 inches of front ground clearance helped not only by the 35 inch tires but by also adjusting the front torsion bars where the a-arms were at at 45 degree angle...

The rear axle was 14 inches above the ground and the frame was measured at 23 inches above the ground...

I had Sway-A-Way larger diameter torsion bars, an over engine bar where my dual Bilstein front shocks were mounted too. I designed a system where the lower mounts were on the upper a-arm and the shocks went into the engine bay and the upper mounts were on the over engine bar. I had a 3 inch bodi-lift that gave me the clearance for this. This protected the shocks from debris and rocks and the over engine bar served to hold the engine down with a large rubber boot so if I lost a motor mount during a race the engine would not bounce around under the hood. Some teams that lost motor mounts had to strap their engine around the frame and finsh the race like that...

I had a gusseted idler arm and massive skid plates to protect the radiator, lower engine bay all the way back to the transmission center mount...

The rear was simple, 8-pack National Springs, longer u-bolts and a dual shock mounting kit from Downey off-road with dual Bilsteins in the rear. All corners were Bilstein 5100 series 14 inch travel shocks!

I also welded a custom bar along the backside of the rear diff. from one side of the axle to the other in the rear to prevent the flexing of the diff under high torque loads with the 35 inch tires. This prevented the diff from flexing upward and kept the angles with the driveshaft in check...

I used limiting straps up front to prevent full drop of the front suspension because the stock a-arms could hit the frame under full droop when the truck was launched into the air, so I had to limit front suspension travel.

Other tricks I used was running a fuel injected head from a 22RE engine on a 22R block, it had larger intake and exhaust valves, mounted a 40mm Weber 2-barrel carb. and Downey large air cleaner with a 4 into 1 Downey header with full block off plates into a Supertrapp exhaust system for some additional power.

I also ran a Downey dual-friction clutch with heavier flywheel for the driveline and welded the stock 4.10 gears in the rear for a posi unit...

I typically ran the truck in low 4 during the entire race. I could hit speeds of 80+ mph on the graded roads in low 4 without enguaging the front drive. I later removed the front drive, gutted the pumpkin, removed the front axle shafts and driveshaft to save about 200-300 lbs. and ran it in low 4 all the time and that made a differance likewise with the weight savings...

I do not mess around about off-roading, I have a solid background and typically know what I am talking about. I prefer a compact/mid-size pickup to build for off-road duty because of the nimbleness and lighter weight and ease of building one up. And yes I can get those impressive ground clearance numbers with just 35 inch tires and still have a huge weight advantage over a full-size!

oxi- If someone doesn't like toyota why are crying about it and trash talking them and their veichles. Why does the focus of the topic always end up about you and your almighty toyotas. Everybody here are not kids and rednecks as you susepect. Loyalty to a brand is okay. When you start bashing people and there brand and what they like, it is not okay. Why get mad about it. If toyota works for you great. For me it doesn't! Just state your opinion about the topic and leave your rusume with Akio Toyoda. While you are waiting to hear from Mr. toyoda, you can have a seat between toyota's two top executives and go skiing.

I fail to see how a heavier truck will automatically "break more parts."

Those HD platforms are stout.

oxi,

You are the tool !! How does a 4wd truck lose traction in the rear and spin out in the ditch ?

My 4wd '09 Ram doesnt lose traction in the rear and spin out !!!!
You are thinking of 2 wheel drive models !!!! 4wd trucks,suv's dont lose traction in the rear ,fishtail and spin out...please do some research !!!!!

In the winter here there are far more cars rolled over off the freeway in the winter,4wd owners usually crash because they are travelling too fast and cant stop on snow/ice fast enough..as per a beater clunker Celica awd cant stop fast enough on snow/ice..Yes in 91 my mom bought a new Celica,slow,small couldnt stop on ice/snow fast either..I even drove the turd/clown car sometimes...I fully know Toyota's as my mom worked as a financing manager for Toyota until 2003 then she moved over to a larger multi-make dealer.She had a new Toyota every year as she recieved a co0mpany car...2 Toyota's had sludged engines before 7,000 miles a sienna and a Camry hmmm not good,plus bottom end rod knock on the 2002 Tundra she had but , thankfully now she drives a decent car..not the worlds biggest recall company (Toyota).

Bigger is safer...lets get in a head on collision in my Ram and your Celica..you think you would be in better shape ? NHSTA even says bigger car/truck/suv is safer than a smaller one..You know the people who do all the crash testing !!!!!!!!!!As for crushing cabs,you are still safer in a truck than a car in a rollover,remember the 5 star system doesnt compare a truck to a car..its truck to truck..car to car...I know confusing to limited people of your kind..

Also,Your points are useless.....Wow 400 Toyota trucks running beside tanks,with anti tank guns........WOW !!!! It wasnt the truck that stopped the tanks rather the people,guns,weapons..once again your points are useless..

Did you know Chrysler made tanks,planes as I would asume Ford and G.M ?

Those Toyota trucks were not fast....25 second 0-60 ohhh fast..I had a 1976 Land Cruiser truck like the one shown on the site,handled like crap,slow as all hell,ugly and drove and ride quality was like it has square wheels !!! And the heating system was horrible !!!

In most countries outside U.S.A and Canada you cant buy a Dodge/Ford/GM truck especially back 10 or more years ago ..so of coarse people oversea's drive Toyota's..dont think its because they are the best ,its the only truck they can buy especially back in the 70's/80's as per picture of truck shown..

I owned Japanese cars German cars American cars and believe me Toyota is not the best...sludged engines,bad transmissions,RUST,ball joint problems ect...

If you like Toyota so be it..but dont think they are the be all and end all !!!

@oxi, first it was 33's now 35's and how you ran a race in 4low at 80+mph and gutted your front diff to save weight and yet still had 4wd. Again, I wanna know as everyone else does what the heck are you smokin? Your numbers just dont make any sense as do your posts.

x007,

Not to beat it off topic but the reason Toyota's sell more is the obvious, they offer more for their customers...

1963 Toyota built their first compact, that's 20 years ahead of the Dakota, Ranger and S-10...

In fact Toyota had the industries first 4wd in a compact in 1979, still years before the domestics even built their first models...

And by the time the domestics were just starting in the compact class, Toyota was offering access-cab versions and later 4-door versions back in the 80's as well as 1-ton trucks and duallies for work and to mount campers onto...

I still do not recall a dually Dakota, Ranger or S-10 yet Toyota had one!

Toyopta mounted their torsion bars on the upper a-arms and leaf springs were on top of the axle, translation a higher stance with larger wheel wells and very easy to mount larger tires underneath when compared to the Dakota, Ranger and S-10...

Still today 20 years later the domestics mount their torsion bars to the lower a-arms and leafs are below the axle with lower shock mounts begging to get hit underneath...

Toyota has moved on to a coil-sprung front and soon the domestics will follow suit...

By the late 80's into early 90's Toyota had skid plates up front and grab handles before it has become the norm today...

By the later 90's Toyota had a locking rear diff available that now all of a sudden is a must for pickups, I believe FourWheeler gave Toyota the top year honors because of the locking diff beating out the Hummer to name one other truck...

The Tacoma sells well because it has so many different configuartions just like back in the day, that's what sells, offer your customers many options and you will do well and Toyota does this with the Tacoma...

I give credit where it is due and Toyota is the pace setter, their past history is proof of this and it continues today!

Raising the BS flag at Oxi yet again your flat out wrong. Datsun was selling their compact 4x4 here years before toyota was. As for the domestics last I checked the dakota isnt considered a compact. It was the first midsize and was alone until the t100 came along and I think we all remember what a pos that was.

oxi- Toyota does not set the pace in full size trucks and never will!

Jeff,

Toyota still debuted the first 4x4 in class!

The Dakota was a compact back in the 80's/90's...

I also forgot to mention the PreRunner option, the look of the taller 4wd yet with only rear drive...

I do not care for the Tundra nor the T-100, I am loyal to the industry setting truck in this category/class the Toyota...

By the way I like the ease to modify a Toyota vs. the Dakota, Ranger or Colorado...

I mean a simple 3 inch bodi-lift back in the day and bam, 33 inch tires! You cannot do that with the domestics...

I had an 85 Toyota 2wd, yes a 2wd with a 4 inch bodi-lift and I had 32 inch tires under it! I can take a 2wd Toyota and make it more off-road capable than the domestics 4wd's complete with ATS long travel front suspension and converting the rear leafs above the axle and so forth...

Too many options to build a Toyota for off-roading yet if you seek just the stock look, the Toyota is still superior off-road when compared to the Dakota, Ranger or Colorado. Sadly the Toyota has to be matched up against the full-size trucks often and it holds it own banking on the weight advantage over the full-size beasts...

OXI, Dakota was never a compact truck..in the late 80's it was introduced as a mid size......though by todays standards it was compact.....

I guess you dont like the new Toyota Tacoma it is even bigger than the new Dakota..

2009 Dakota width: 71.7
2009 Dakota length:218.8

2009 Tacoma width:74.6
2009 Tacoma length:221.3

Also, Dodge is a pioneer in trucks... FIRST 4WD TRUCK WAS A DODGE !!! Power Wagon in 1945 !!!!!!! Has A Great history as a war truck ,saving the USA !!!

Also the first classy truck 57 Sweptside,65 CSS muscle truck,Lil Red,SRT 10 ect,the new Rams look at the awards it is getting...This comes from a multi make brand car/truck owner...So Toyota isnt the most acclaimed truck maker as a 4x4..it is Dodge they started the 4x4 trucks !!!!!I would rather have a truck that saved the USA than some terrorist country..Yes fine and dandy you like your old 85 but it is not the bee's knee's...you could say the 426 Hemi motor is the best motor ever (it is) they use it in new Toyota top fuel dragsters today as well as GM and Ford use the 1964 Chrysler Hemi today !!! Chrysler has more awards and history than Toyota !!!

Zee Zee,

We are talking compact/mid-size trucks where Toyota has won more awards and is the pace setter since they built their first one back in 1963, a full 20 years before the Japanese built the first Dakota, Ranger and S-10 for the domestics!

Engine size and power DO NOT make the truck!

In Baja we had a saying, the powerful engine gets you to the rock that puts you out of the race faster, that is about the only advantage a powerful engine has!

Balance! You need a pickup that is well balanced in all areas to be a great off-roader, none trumping the other...

Toyota's over the years never dominated all the categories, they just did well in all of them where the others dominated a few categories and lacked in others...

Kind of like with the first generation Tacoma, sure it dominated with the highest ground clearance and most front suspension travel, but the 3.4l V6 was not the most powerful, the 4.3l V6 in the S-10 was, it did not dominate cab dimensions or size, towing, payload was solid though...

But when it came to off-roading, the Tacoma was the one to beat with its ground clearance, larger tires, suspension travel and that factory locking diff...

@ Oxi you keep posting BS. Flat out wrong and misinformation. I had a ranger with a body lift and had 34 goodyear mtr's on there with no problem. It had a locking diff from the factory, Fx4 level 2. I might add that chevy had the zr2 which was a factory off roader. You are so obsessed with toyota you dont bother to get the facts straight. Have fun off roading with your moms celica and your pos yota with the gutted front diff to save weight but yet can still have 4wd. Would like to see that. Kepp on smokin the home grown. Some might be fooled by your BS, but I am not. Oxi if you know so much why are you trying so hard to make people belive that you do? FYI, the japanese didnt build the dakota, ranger, or the s10.

If any toy tried to do what a domestic truck could do it would fall apart! The only thing Toyota does more that the domestics at is there trip to the dealer for recalls. If that was a race Toyota would win every time!

Enough said ! If somebody knows something about trucks ..... - you can only say "Good job Ford !!! You always be first and best !!!"

Jeff,

"FYI, the japanese didnt build the dakota, ranger, or the s10."

Ok I will re-post, The Dakota was a re-badged Mitsubishi, the Ranger was a re-badged Mazda and the S-10 or LUV truck was a re-badged Isuzu!

This is fact from the early 80's when the domestics DID NOT build their own compact truck, they had to re-badge with their Japanese ventures until they were capable enough to build one on their own and of their own design!

Look at the designs and the history of the domestic compacts!!!

Oxi, for your informantion Dakota was not a rebadged anything. it was pure Dodge threw and threw. In fact just a couple of years ago Mitsu tried to rebadge the dakota for there pickup. The Mazda pick up was a rebadged Ranger not the other way around.

Serioulsy, Oxi YOU need to get your facts right. The s-10 was a gim design not isuzu and ford made the mazda b series off of the ranger platform and the mitsu was a rebadged dakota. Mfaybe you need to stop with the homegrown because it frying what few brain cells if any you do have.

Mazda did produce their pickup in house but partnered with ford for their next gen b series to be built by ford. Dodge did sell a re badged mitsubishi raider and mighty max but those are in any way not related to the dakota. For gm they did sell the luv but that is no way related to the s 10.

Oxi, I dont need to do any research because I was alive when these vehicles were sold here so I know.

Jeff and dandjslats,

You guys have no clue!

The domestics did not have a compact pickup in the early 80's!

Mitsubishi had a compact pickup and Dodge re-badged it and called it the Dakota until Dodge could build their own!

Mazda had a compact pickup and Ford re-badged it until they came out with the Ranger!

Isuzu had a compact pickup and Chevy re-badged it as the LUV pickup until they built the S-10!

It's not the other way around, the domestics DID NOT have a compact, the domestics went to the Japanese to re-badge their designs to not lose market share to Toyota, Nissan and those companies they joint ventured with until they could make their own pickup!

You guys need to start to understand the facts and stop with your childish rants!

The compact pickup sector was created by Japanese designs, not domestic designs!

That's why their was NEVER a Dakota, Ranger or S-10 in the late 70's and way early 80's yet their was a Mitsubishi, Isuzu and Mazda pickup as well as Toyota's and Nissans compact pickups!

Where were the domestic makes in the late 70's and way early 80's in the compact segment? They did not exist and had to re-badge Japanese designs to not lose out in a growing new pickup segment!

Facts, learn to understand them!

Oxi, the more you post the dummer you look. There was no compact Dakota. The Dakota is and always has been a midsize. Fact: Dodge sold a mitsubishi pickup and small suv named raider and ram 50. Look it up and you will see. The curent gen b series from mazda is made by ford at ford plants. The chevy s10 was not based on the luv. The luv was brought over via a partnership with isuzu and when the partnership ended it introduced the s10.

Oxi, it is and always has been YOU who needs to get the facts straight.