Ford Powers Up New and Future Powertrains for F-Series Trucks

Ford Powers Up New and Future Powertrains for F-Series Trucks

In the next year, Ford F-Series pickup trucks are set to receive three all-new engines -- a 3.5-liter twin turbo gasoline direct-injected EcoBoost V-6, a 6.2-liter naturally aspirated V-8 and a 6.7-liter turbodiesel Power Stroke V-8. Barb Samardzich, Ford's vice president of powertrain engineering, says the new engines are going to be learning experiences for both Ford and its truck buyers.

First up, the new 6.2-liter single overhead cam V-8. It's expected in the first quarter of this year, starting in the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor and 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty, with power ratings of 411 horsepower and 434 pounds-feet of torque in the Raptor, making it the most powerful eight-cylinder engine available in a light-duty pickup.

In the 2011 Super Duty, the 6.2-liter V-8 will be the standard engine, but what's on the minds of many F-150 owners is whether the 6.2-liter V-8 will find its way into other models besides the go-fast prerunner-style Raptor.

New 6.2-liter V-8

"The 6.2-liter V-8 ends up being a very high premium application engine," Samardzich said. "Obviously, it's going to be in the F-150 lineup. We're not announcing anything [yet]. Certainly, it's there in the Raptor. It comes down to how do we feel customers would or wouldn't accept the 6.2-liter V-8 in other [F-150] variants. For now, it's exclusive to Raptor and in the Super Duty."

If it was offered beyond the Raptor, the 6.2-liter V-8 is expected to find broad appeal with frequent trailer towers that find the F-150's current 310-hp, 5.4-liter V-8 making 365 pounds-feet of torque underpowered.

While Ford debates the merits of the 6.2-liter V-8, the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 will arrive exclusively for the F-150 by the end of the year.

The dual overhead cam 3.5-liter V-6 is already available in Ford's front-wheel-drive crossovers, like the Ford Flex and Lincoln MKT, where its rated at 355 horsepower and 350 pounds-feet of torque. But it's torque limited in those applications because the transmission and driveline aren't setup to handle its full potential. The rear-wheel-drive F-150, however, is just about perfect. The F-150's 6R80 six-speed is optimized to handle lots of torque, and though Ford hasn't announced power figures for the EcoBoost V-6 yet, we expect it to be rated at in the neighborhood of 400 hp and 400 pounds-feet of torque.

But will truck buyers trust their light-duty towing needs to a downsized twin-turbo V-6?

3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6

"In the truck segment, we want to make sure truck buyers still have a choice," Samardzich said. "We want to make sure they still have V-8s, like they do today, and that the V-6 turbocharged represents an alternative choice that has comparable horsepower and torque."

it will take more than similar power figures to get F-150 owners to adopt the V-6. Ford promises the EcoBoost engine will offer a 20 percent improvement in fuel economy over a V-8, while keeping all of the towing and hauling capabilities of the current V-8 F-150 lineup.

Another part of the equation will be pricing for the new powertrains.

"When we go out and put the [engine] lineup together and do the pricing, it will be a real opportunity for customers to have a choice in what they want to purchase and for us. It will be a learning experience to see how receptive customers are to a downsized turbocharged engine versus a naturally aspirated V-8 in the same pickup," Samardzich said. "Buyers are certainly going to have what they need, that's for sure. We'll see if the fuel economy equation holds up for them like it has certainly held up for other customers."

Ford F-Series Super Duty buyers have a new powertrain cost factor to consider. Although invoice($6,503) and retail ($7,835) pricing hasn't changed from last year's prices in Ford's order book for the all-new 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8, owners are going to have to periodically refill its new Diesel Exhaust Fluid tank. DEF is required to help the engine meet tough new EPA emissions standards.

6.7-liter Power Stroke Turbodiesel V-8

Unlike recent news about $300-plus DEF service for a Mercedes-Benz GL-Class SUV, Samardzich said maintenance costs are at the top of Ford's mind.

"We are so in tune to cost of ownership issues for our customers," Samardzich said. "It's first and foremost on our minds. We are going to make sure that we try to minimize any costs associated [with the new diesel emissions]."

But what's Ford thinking about further out on the horizon for F-Series truck buyers? Samardzich wouldn't confirm word from our sources that Ford will offer its new 3.7-liter Ti-VCT V-6 in the F-150 as the base engine. It's new this year for the 2010 Mustang.

"That's an engine with a broad application -- whether it's for a Mustang or something else," she said. "If you look at the engine families that we're coming out with, the 6.2s, the 3.5s, the 3.7s, all of them have a broad applicability in our portfolio lineup [of vehicles]. But we're not making any announcements yet."

Ford is also officially mum about the new 5.0-liter V-8 for the Mustang making its way to the F-150, though our sources and spy shots say otherwise.

Way down the line, Ford continues to work on cutting-edge technology for the far future, like the radical twin-fuel engine, codename "Bobcat," that variably blends gasoline and ethanol on demand to realize diesel-like performance.

"That's something that's still in our research stage. I think it's very exciting,” Samardzich said. "I've seen the fuel consumption numbers and the torque that we're able to get out [it] when you really need that high torque -- it's almost limitless torque with ethanol -- and then, of course, just gasoline when you don't demand that torque. … We're absolutely continuing to develop it."

Comments

I like the new engines that are coming out from Ford. If they do go to a v-6 as base i wonder what the take rate would be. If they do not replace the ranger i think it would be great to see a reg cab short bed f150 that gets 25mpgs and can still tow a decent amount like 1 ton in the box and 4000 pounds on a trailer.

What ever engines Ford uses in their trucks they won't get the same fuel ecomomy as the trucks and engines from GM.

GM will continue to sell more trucks than Ford. Yes a GMC and a Chevrolet is a GM truck. Add them together and they outsell Ford. I have heard all the malarkey from Ford lovers that try and dispute those FACTS to no avail. So don't waste your time Ford lovers because no matter what you say, GM will out sell FORD in trucks sold period.

Ahhhh, I said don't waste your time trying to correct me.
Don't do it! take a deep breath and relax.

6.2 Liter and 6.7 liter! its so you!

was kindof excited to read this but there is absolutely nothing here that we haven't known for quite some time. How bout some official power / mpg numbers or seat time review!!! Oh well ... still love this site!!

Oh come on and tell us what the horsepower and torque is for the 6.7 liter diesel! I'm tired of waiting. I check pickuptrucks.com everyday just to see if it's been announced yet. I guess it makes sense to wait to release those numbers, but come on already. I've been waiting for months.
That 6.2 better be offered in the f-150 or i'll be pissed. I've always been a ford guy but everybody knows the 150 is underpowered. That's the only reason I'd take dodge or chevy 1500 over a f-150 right now.

@Bob you are a idiot GM Needs 2 trucks to out sell ford face it, and the 09 F-15s get about 1200 kms a tank, so if you GM does that, then you can compare. Also Ford id like to see a Diesel F-150

I'm waiting for the 5.0, the twin turbo V6 sucks gas in the SHO, and it will be worse in the F-150.

I promise, as soon as we can we'll publish the power figures for the 6.7-L. See our original posts about 390+/720+ from 2008. We hear we're still in that vicinity but the numbers from sources are all over the map in that range. I'm not going to report HP and torque if we're going to lose credibility by giving different numbers each week. I don't think it will be much longer until we hear the official figures. In the meantime, who told you about the 3.7-L V-6 first? :-)

Wow Bob. Check Fords stock price vs GM. Ford no bail out money. If it was not for tax payer money GM would be no more.
Guys I know used to drive GM and are now driving fords and like them better and no difference in fuel. When the new engines are out GM wll not stand a chance.
Keep trying.

Excited about the 6.2L, I'll bet it it proves very popular in the Super Duty. As for the 6.7L diesel, I wonder how many buyers will want to put up with adding urea, the concern that you can't operate the truck without urea, the cost, ect.. Not to mention yet another unproven diesel in a Ford truck, and the last two have been disasters. I will not consider purchasing a 6.7L for many years.

Ford is only confirming the 3.5 EcoBoost engine for the F150.
Are they planning on discontinuing the 4.6 and/or the 5.4?

Yawn if there is no more Ranger who cares what Ford does .

Bob, please don't open your mouth anymore. The public would think so much more of you. And by the way, when I said the public, that IS who owns GM. LOL. Ha. Go FORD.

@Bob.Its funny he comes here again with own GM propoganda :)) Relax,Bob,no body need your LOW GROUND FRAME GMC or Chevy,they are WAY,WAY,WAY behind...Today I saw Chevy on parking lot...O boy!!!What GM already thinking about this STUPID! low ground frame! I don't know.I can easy change oil on F350 by using a bucket under F350 frame without using a jack.Try this on Chevy..?! Aga,its funny to see how you do that :)) Enough said.Good day! :)

All I know is that I am not buying a vehicle from a company that took bailout money and still went bankrupt. I guess that only leaves FORD!

dodges 6.1 gets 425hp, and to everyone fighting about truck sales...just because a company sells more doesnt make them the better company, for example mcdonalds sells more than red lobster but that dsnt mean mccdonalds is better

@hudini

McDonalds and Redlobster sell 2 completely different things. So your analogy failed.

Fords next gen engine lineup is fantastic. I can't wait to see official numbers and to actually get behind the wheel of these trucks with these new engines. I especially want to play with the raptor with the 6.2!

@hudini
If Ford is McDonalds than GM and Dodge are White Castle and Carls Jr.

I always hear people bitching about the 6.0 and 6.4. Funny thing is Im around plenty of owners and until a year ago i did not know the was any concerns. After doing some comprehensive research all i have found on the subject is some recalls from 2005. So I have to ask if any of this hate for the engine spurs from anything tangible or if its just hearsay and hater speech on blogs.

1ST OF ALL IMMA SAY ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY IM A DIE HARD FORD GUY WONT BYE ANITHING ELSE I DONT CARE HOW UNDERPOWER THE F150 IS I LOVE MY TRKS AND MY CARS I DID A COUPLE OF THINGS TO MY 07 LARIAT AND LET ME TELL U I GOT 365HP 120MILE HR ILL SMOKE TUNDRAS ALL DAY LONG I CANT WAIT TILL THE NEW MOTORS COME OUT IM GETTING A PLATNUM F150 WITH A 6.2 WHEN IT DOES COME OUT

@hudini We're not talking about who sell more or less!!!!What are you try to say? We talking about TRUCKS not burgers,man!!!!! If you hungry go to McDohalds or Redlobster! and Josh is right,McDonalds and Redlobster sell 2 completely different things. So your analogy FAILED !!! We knows Ford is the BEST HEAVY DUTY TRUCK ! Enough said! Bon appetit !

@LARIAT0799 %100 agree with you!!!

ok ill put it in different terms for ya, wtf does it matter how much they sell? all i care about is how the truck performs, and guess what? ford is the only thing keeping my brothers mechanic shop in buisness right now lol...and VFSD..what are you like 10? you really think when you do big letters and a million exclamation points itlll persuade me any? just shows how dum you are, no wonder you like ford

That is what GMC needs right now - a hudini. Magic might save them after all. Hudini, have you been talking to Tom Stephens, General Motors' vice chairman . You give him advice on chains? or how to magically make his stupid towing challenge go away? Hudini - the only experience you have with trucks is when they come up to the drive thru window at the Rotten Ronny's you work at!

@Mel, although ford did not receive as big of a bailout as gm they have received some and other government money, through grants and what not, which is better than a bail out but you cant say they havnt been helped

It sounds to me like the 6.2L won't be available in the "low end" body styles (XL/XLT), you know... the ones people actually use for work trucks. Most likely because if it did no one would buy the 3.5L. But since the 5.0 won't have enough power and no one in their right mind is gonna put a turbo gas engine in a work truck... I expect F-250 sales will go up.

Look at all these idiotic GM bashers. GM was in Chapter 11 for one month and they have already begun to pay back tax payer money. But get this, the whole time GM was in chapter 11 they STILL MANAGED TO OUT SELL FORD IN EVERY VEHICLE FEILD. Keep bashing Ford boys.... but we all know why GM out sells, out performs, out paces, and why GM will always be better than Ford. Face it.... your 310hp wanna be truck will never out perform GM's top line half ton... and of course diesel.

@zach its not that government motors is paying it back, its that they took it. last time i checked the ford f-series did outsell the silverado by about 100,000 trucks. when was the last time government motors outsold ford? 34 years ago right? and if government motors is so good, and so much better, why dont they do the smart badge all their trucks as one truck. i doubt that people would buy the chevys as chevys, because even now you idiots waste your money paying extra for a gmc that oh by the way the dealers will tell you is the same stupid truck. so yeah, ford is better, call me when your underpowerd, oversized, and overall piece of junk chevy dies in a ditch, and ill bring my 26 year old F150 and pull you out.

2 Questions:

How much longer until the 2011 F-150's are out?

Will the 2012 F-150 still be an ALL NEW model?

@zach ! I think you just don't know what are you talking about.Did you read your own post?Did you know something about trucks,diesels?FORD is always the best overall HEAVY DUTY TRUCK ! Best in towing,best in payload,whatever if F150 is underpowered its always outperform Dodge and GM product and has BETTER towing and payload!Truck that build for work,for heavy work,even F150!Its not like your,lower ground frame Chevy which build to work and drive like a car.Everyone nows,if you don't know I can say it for you,IF you like a SMOOTH drive,comfort drive,low ground seats....and etc. go Chevy,this car with bed behind is for you.BUT! If you need a TRUCK,a HEAVY DUTY TRUCK (which is very,very comfort for me for work and daily drive) go FORD! Good day.

@ VFDS; I was a long time ford truck buyer untill i bought a 6.4L power stroke. I have 64,500 and on my second engine. the turbo has been replaced twice and i lost count of faulty rad replacements, the left front 4x4 hub has been changed, all the ball joints had worn out and reolaced with same crappy parts. This truck is a 2008 model f350 that i spent all my hard earned money on and i am just sick of this truck. I am eager to find a buyer for this truck so i can buy the new Heavy Duty Cummins/Ram 3500 or maybe a duramax(my freinds that have the Duramax trucks are so happy and never have any troubles with their trucks). Not many happy 6.0L ford diesel owners that are happy with their trucks either. Sad to have to leave Ford but this new 6.7L powerstroke will have to proven reliable for a couple of years before i would ever get another Ford. The New Ram heavy duty just looks way to awesome to pass up (especially with a Urea free Cummins diesel.) Lots of my family and friends also drive the Ranger pick-up and will switch to GM if they discontinue theRanger. BAD,FORD

When I come to Chevy dealer and ask him why your trucks have a so Low Ground Frame he say nothing!I ask him what is that? and show him two big piece of plastic on bumper hi said it is because to make a truck less weight !!! :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) O boy,o guys I so laugh,:))))))))) To make a truck a less weight ??!! O,come on! Whats wrong with you GM guys ?! :)))

@Riley I hear a bad and good from all three,Dodge,Ford,Chevy.All have bads and goods,you can go to Chevy forum they have lot of problems,same with Dodge and Ford.More people choose Ford HD trucks,you think they wrong?If you have a problems with your truck its doesn't matter that all Ford Trucks is bad.You can see that with all company,every company has their problem,Toyota,Nissan,Dodge,Ford,Chevy,GMC,BMW and etc.If my brother have a bad luck with BMW i should say BMW is bad?Come on,you know what I mean.I said FORD overall build BETTER for a HEAVY DUTY WORK,better than Chevy and Dodge.I like how looks Dodge too,essp. Cummins engine,nice truck.But I prefer a 1995-97 F350 with Cummins? Why not?! :)) I think that new 6.7 should be very nice engine,but we need a time for proven this engine,its not International build engine,its Ford build guys,Ford!

i want to see the f150 that gets 1200 km per tank i need my rubber boots to wade through the bull@#!* on this site all three manufacturers build good trucks they all have faults a good truck to me is a truck that does what i need it to when i need it without to many repairs i work in the construction industry and i am around dodge ford toyota chev and nissan on a weekly basis they are all good work trucks i personally would not own a toyota or nissan but that is my personal preference

Folks going back and forth about who's better. I'd like to ask does anyone know/have a list of bragging rights that each (Ford GM Dodge) may have? Besides F150 best selling, ie "more than 70% of all police vehicles across the country are Fords".
Also on the Ranger topic, IF those go away, is the Explorer Sport-Trac an option since many folks use mostly as daily commuter?
Also any civil thoughts on the older Ford commercial when they talked about the F150 having the best & strongest frames?

I still think Ford should've renamed their new diesel the Scorpion. To carry on the name of a engine which has had a series of issues is a mistake. This is a fresh build and design. Give it some distinction. Come on Ford!

Holly Molly!!! $300 to fill up DEF - urea liquid into the new diesels!? http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/01/mercedesbenz-gl320-bluetecfeeling-a-bit-adblue-over-spending-a-lot-of-green.html

How much do you have to pay for piss?

@Evan, I like Ford's audacity to keep the same names. It wasn't just Powerstroke, but look what they have done to the Taurus! I'm sure people's current views on what a Taurus was an underwhelming cheap family sedan. Instead of calling the new one something else, they built a Euro-quality sedan, and called it the Taurus. No shame. I like it.

@Jax, GM is also in talks with Gov to get these grants/loans to improve fuel economy. Very differenet than a bail out.

Wow, the trolls are out in their full force today. Let me clarify some things:

GM trucks outsold Ford trucks by 14,000 units in 2009. Do you think the revenue brought in by the extra 14,000 units offets the cost of marketing two brands and supporting two dealer networks? Not a chance in hell.

Ford's 3.5L EB will use less gas than a comparably powerful V8 in light load situations. In high load situations, it uses the same amount of fuel as a V8. Considering the vast majority of truck buyer spend the vast majority of their time in light load situations, the 3.5L EB becomes a pretty good option.

The vast majority of GM truck buyers don't buy the 6.2L, that's a fact. Ford's 5.4L compares very well with GM's volume engine, the 5.3L. While it would be nice for bragging rights if Ford dropped the 6.2L in the engine bay of the F150, I don't think it will translate into many new sales. Ford's 5.0L V8 looks very promising as it is supposed to be both more powerful and more fuel efficient than the 5.4L.

The 6.0L and 6.4L PSD's were a black mark on Ford's recent reliability records. Hopefully the 6.7L is a good engine, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach on that one.

Alan, that was the most sensible post I 've seen on here in quite a while.

Good post Allen, BUT I don't think Ford has ever stated that the 5.0L would get better mileage than the outgoing 5.4L. They have suggested it would be similiar. )Thats not a bad thing BTW) Given it would have much more power, thats agood thing.

They've said the EB would get 20-25% better mpg than the 5.4L in truck form. They've said the new 6.2L gets same or better mpg than outgoing 5.4L in SD form.

That said, maybe I've missed something...

@supercrew02 - 2010 is the last year for the SportTrac, I believe 2012 is the last year for the Ranger. The problem with most "small" pickups is that they have full size truck costs with small truck capabilities. I've seen the "adds" about Fords having the strongest frames, and I would tend to agree with it. There isn't any independant data out there about it.

@los - DEF is around $2.50 US gallon. The service interval is supposed to coincide with oil changes.

@Allen - I agree with you. Most buyers are not going to get the big engines ie. GMC 6.2 or Ford 6.2. The mid size engine is the most popular, and currently the best compromise between HP and fuel economy. Fuel prices shoot up again and you'll see a lot of 6.2 engined trucks collecting dust, just like 2 years ago.

I agree with several of the posts when it comes to bickering and brand bashing. The rubber boots analogy is very appropriate.

Well I had my first drive of an EcoBoost vehicle the other day (Flex), this engine will be awesome in the F150, especially with it's higher tune. Even the Flex felt brutally powerful. I think it's going to be a tough choice if you get to experience it and the 6.2 in the F150. Even if you're the kind of person that lives with the philosophy "no replacement for displacement," if you drive the EB V6, you're going to think twice.

@Alex
The 3.7 Ecoboost is the only officially confirmed engine for the F150. I've read of 5 new engines rumored for the F150.
2.5 4cyl. Ecoboost, 3.5 V6, 3.7 V6 Ecoboost, 5.0 V8, 6.2 V8.
No one has said what may happen to the 4.6 and 5.4 V8 engines. I can see the 4.6 being cancelled.

Hudini, if Fords keep your brother's repair shop in business, why are 80% of tow/recovery vehicles on the road Fords?

Simple--if anybody knows what brands of vehicles break down on the road, it's tow operators. Of course, I guess the fact that Dodge doesn't make a truck big enough for towing factors into the equation too, doesn't it?

Ford. More reliable. Bigger. And no suckling off the Obama teat like GM and Mopar.

Hi Ted,


Every tow truck I see around my home are FORD Trucks. I rarely see a GM or Ram.

Most of the vehicles I see being towed are Fords also.

Ted.....there are Rams in the chassis cab 3500 4500 and 5500 that are great for tow trucks...Factory exhaust brake and the 5500 has up to a 11,880 lb payload capacity. And the factory exhaust brake is something you won't find one any other heavy duty trucks in this segment.

If the F150 Platinum and Harley must be luxury-oriented, they should have the 6.2 L V8, Like the GMC Sierra Denali. Evan, although I would agree with you in some respects about the Power Stroke name for the diesel - provided the 6L and 6.4L had plenty "power strokes" and "engine (read heart) attacks" Ford keeping the PS name would mean that they improve the engine...all by themselves...without Navistar...hopefully. Enjelus, it's doubtful the 6.2 will be available in XL, XLT (low-end) because that option would make the XL/XLT cost as much as a Lariat or King Ranch with a 5.4L engine. But hey smoke em if you got em (dollars).



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