Ford Powers Up New and Future Powertrains for F-Series Trucks

Ford Powers Up New and Future Powertrains for F-Series Trucks

In the next year, Ford F-Series pickup trucks are set to receive three all-new engines -- a 3.5-liter twin turbo gasoline direct-injected EcoBoost V-6, a 6.2-liter naturally aspirated V-8 and a 6.7-liter turbodiesel Power Stroke V-8. Barb Samardzich, Ford's vice president of powertrain engineering, says the new engines are going to be learning experiences for both Ford and its truck buyers.

First up, the new 6.2-liter single overhead cam V-8. It's expected in the first quarter of this year, starting in the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor and 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty, with power ratings of 411 horsepower and 434 pounds-feet of torque in the Raptor, making it the most powerful eight-cylinder engine available in a light-duty pickup.

In the 2011 Super Duty, the 6.2-liter V-8 will be the standard engine, but what's on the minds of many F-150 owners is whether the 6.2-liter V-8 will find its way into other models besides the go-fast prerunner-style Raptor.

New 6.2-liter V-8

"The 6.2-liter V-8 ends up being a very high premium application engine," Samardzich said. "Obviously, it's going to be in the F-150 lineup. We're not announcing anything [yet]. Certainly, it's there in the Raptor. It comes down to how do we feel customers would or wouldn't accept the 6.2-liter V-8 in other [F-150] variants. For now, it's exclusive to Raptor and in the Super Duty."

If it was offered beyond the Raptor, the 6.2-liter V-8 is expected to find broad appeal with frequent trailer towers that find the F-150's current 310-hp, 5.4-liter V-8 making 365 pounds-feet of torque underpowered.

While Ford debates the merits of the 6.2-liter V-8, the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 will arrive exclusively for the F-150 by the end of the year.

The dual overhead cam 3.5-liter V-6 is already available in Ford's front-wheel-drive crossovers, like the Ford Flex and Lincoln MKT, where its rated at 355 horsepower and 350 pounds-feet of torque. But it's torque limited in those applications because the transmission and driveline aren't setup to handle its full potential. The rear-wheel-drive F-150, however, is just about perfect. The F-150's 6R80 six-speed is optimized to handle lots of torque, and though Ford hasn't announced power figures for the EcoBoost V-6 yet, we expect it to be rated at in the neighborhood of 400 hp and 400 pounds-feet of torque.

But will truck buyers trust their light-duty towing needs to a downsized twin-turbo V-6?

3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6

"In the truck segment, we want to make sure truck buyers still have a choice," Samardzich said. "We want to make sure they still have V-8s, like they do today, and that the V-6 turbocharged represents an alternative choice that has comparable horsepower and torque."

it will take more than similar power figures to get F-150 owners to adopt the V-6. Ford promises the EcoBoost engine will offer a 20 percent improvement in fuel economy over a V-8, while keeping all of the towing and hauling capabilities of the current V-8 F-150 lineup.

Another part of the equation will be pricing for the new powertrains.

"When we go out and put the [engine] lineup together and do the pricing, it will be a real opportunity for customers to have a choice in what they want to purchase and for us. It will be a learning experience to see how receptive customers are to a downsized turbocharged engine versus a naturally aspirated V-8 in the same pickup," Samardzich said. "Buyers are certainly going to have what they need, that's for sure. We'll see if the fuel economy equation holds up for them like it has certainly held up for other customers."

Ford F-Series Super Duty buyers have a new powertrain cost factor to consider. Although invoice($6,503) and retail ($7,835) pricing hasn't changed from last year's prices in Ford's order book for the all-new 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8, owners are going to have to periodically refill its new Diesel Exhaust Fluid tank. DEF is required to help the engine meet tough new EPA emissions standards.

6.7-liter Power Stroke Turbodiesel V-8

Unlike recent news about $300-plus DEF service for a Mercedes-Benz GL-Class SUV, Samardzich said maintenance costs are at the top of Ford's mind.

"We are so in tune to cost of ownership issues for our customers," Samardzich said. "It's first and foremost on our minds. We are going to make sure that we try to minimize any costs associated [with the new diesel emissions]."

But what's Ford thinking about further out on the horizon for F-Series truck buyers? Samardzich wouldn't confirm word from our sources that Ford will offer its new 3.7-liter Ti-VCT V-6 in the F-150 as the base engine. It's new this year for the 2010 Mustang.

"That's an engine with a broad application -- whether it's for a Mustang or something else," she said. "If you look at the engine families that we're coming out with, the 6.2s, the 3.5s, the 3.7s, all of them have a broad applicability in our portfolio lineup [of vehicles]. But we're not making any announcements yet."

Ford is also officially mum about the new 5.0-liter V-8 for the Mustang making its way to the F-150, though our sources and spy shots say otherwise.

Way down the line, Ford continues to work on cutting-edge technology for the far future, like the radical twin-fuel engine, codename "Bobcat," that variably blends gasoline and ethanol on demand to realize diesel-like performance.

"That's something that's still in our research stage. I think it's very exciting,” Samardzich said. "I've seen the fuel consumption numbers and the torque that we're able to get out [it] when you really need that high torque -- it's almost limitless torque with ethanol -- and then, of course, just gasoline when you don't demand that torque. … We're absolutely continuing to develop it."

Comments

@Judd same option Ford have too.You should better know something about trucks.

until recently no dodge was not in the tow buisness..but more and more rams are appearing and i see more and more fords being towed...and a mechanic would know whats reliable and whats not

@smtrthnu - What most people wont tell you is after Ford/International figured out all the bugs with the 6.0L it became one of Fords most outstanding motors with the fewest amount of times being repaired overall at the dealership compared to all other Ford motors... But only after the later half of the 05 model year on up till the intro of the 6.4L. I always tell guys who are in the market to buy a used Ford Diesel to only buy the 6.0 from the half way point of 05 on up and DO NOT buy anything lower than an first half 05 through to an 03 model year. The 6.4 is a train wreck and most are having a problem making it to 100K miles without some sort of major problem. I know of a few guys who have 05 and 06 F250/350's with the 6.0L in them and they all love them and don't have any problems with them.

@Allen - Good post with a lot of common sense but didn't Ford outsell GM by about 10K trucks... going by the numbers supplied by Mike the F150/Ranger outsold the Chevy/GMC/Colorado by about 10K units... of course I'm not talking about SUV's to. GM likes to pad their numbers by including anything but a car as a truck to say they sell more than Ford... The 5.0L is supposed to be as fuel efficient as the current 5.4L but with a lot more HP for your MPG. In the Mustang the 5.0L get around 412hp and 395tq... in the F150 I suspect they would curb the HP to gain TQ. Say 375hp to around 415tq... just my numbers not anything official.

I am still laughing about hudini misspelling dumb. Oh, BTW it is Houdini, not Hudini also. Who are the "dum" ones again? LMAO

How come the GM guys always brag about having the most fuel-efficient trucks, but all the 1/2 ton truck shoot outs and real-world tests they do they always are the furthest from their claimed numbers. Ford and Toyota always seem to come out on top.

M, I have never seen any truck beat a GM in fuel economy.

so now that you know ur truck sucks you have to point out something else? hudini is my name genius, just like arica and aryka...im sorry i didnt know i was still in english class? excuse me

I do not like the 6 cyl...they sound like crap,I dont care how fast/powerful they are they sound like crap !!! On a truck or car I like the mean sound of a V-8 !!! People dont buy trucks if they are stingy and frugal,they will buy a Smart car or Focus...

Why is it on trucks Ford thinks the 6 cyl will be more fuel efficient than a V-8 ? In real world driving even with passenger cars if they have a 6 cyl or 8 cyl the gas mi is the same,or close to it (1mpg difference)

so you buy a truck on the sound of it? @777

I don't have a problem with 6 cyl's per say, the old 300 straight six was a good motor. Its the mixing of forced induction with gasoline and a trailer that concerns me. And in the case of the 3.7L, it just doesn't have the torque for anything other than daily driving.

I really hope Ford builds a larger version of the 6.2l in the 7.0 to 7.5l range, as an alternative to the diesel, especially since the 6.4 Hemi has been announced and GM is reportedly working on a 7.0l DI gas engine. Yeah, yeah, I know diesels are better in every way...but there is something to be said for the reliabilty and ease of service of a gas engine. I bought a 99 SD with a V-10 when they first came out, and 11 year later I have never had my EVT vanes stick, my CAC hoses have never ruptured or come off, my EGR valve has never stuck, my EGR cooler has never plugged and caused a blown head gasket, my HPOP has never failed, my.....well, you get the point.

VFSD,

No other Diesels have had more problems over the last 8 years then ford.... GM hasn't had nearly the amount of problems Ford has had with their diesel engines, Quit acting like this isn;t true...

@shawn

If the 5.0L is "as" fuel efficient as the 5.4L, then what's the point of offering it over the 6.2L? In the Raptor, the 6.2L gets the same EPA ratings as the 5.4L. If the 5.0L can't do better than the 5.4L, then Ford is spending a lot of money on R&D for nothing.

I think Ford is making a big mistake by not making a diesel for the F150. They also made a mistake on the new 6.7 diesel that you have to add DEF. Those extra costs are what people dont want. If cummins could make one with out DEF so could Ford. I have 2 Fords with the 7.3 and will never get rid of them but I would like a ranger with a diesel. I'm deployed to Afghanistan right now and the only thing they have here is Rangers with the 2.5L diesel and there all crew cabs. Ford you need to wake up and smell where the money is. People love opitions so give us what we want.

People always talk about their favourite trucks and bash the competition and we can always tell just by the way they type it out.

The truth about how long a truck lasts is how you drive it, how well you take care of it, and a point nobody considers is the climate you live around.

I live in Calgary Alberta and temp. swings from 10C to -50C in a matter of 48hours. I haven't seen people have trouble starting their trucks IF they take care of it.

One last complaint :) People compare ponies and speed in their arguements. That's not what a truck is for. I believe those people live in a trailer park and spend all their money on a truck to race around the community pool. Please stop comparing speed and ponies. Trucks are for hauling and lets keep it that way.

Hopes of 6.2L success!!

I have worked and managed Farm Supply stores all my life. Horsepower has very little to do with a truck being a truck. Low gearing in 2wd (remember the old trucks with compound low) , the boxes like the 1966 Ford trucks which are twice as tough yet weigh less than anything else out there now, endgates that won't bow in the middle when you slide a pallet of salt over them, these are what I look for. The old 1987 F250 6cylinder was one of the best combos for all around fuel economy and ruggedness I have ever had, but this Toyota I now have,certainly has been very trouble free also, just not as rugged

@Ted, My tow outfit tows more ford trucks than anything else. We use Fords for the lighter towing and Dodge Cummins 5500 for the heavy stuff. Have had to tow our own fords several times and never our Dodges. When it comes to towing the Cummins rule all others. We are now selling all but one of our Fords(has 7.3l diesel) the other 6.0L's (three)cost us too much in repairs and are crappy diesels. Getting two more Cummins for our fleet. Can't wait for ford to release thier third attempt in diesel in 8 years. Another pile of crap

Ecoboost 2.4 I4 235hp 275ft-lbs
3.7 V6 285hp 275ft-lbs
Ecoboost 3.5 V6 335hp 375ft-lbs
5.0 V8 385hp 375ft-lbs

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugly!

To government motors lovers: Ford out-sells GM every year, Ford makes better trucks, that last longer, pull more and leave Chebby's in the dust everyday, sure theres problems, the 6.0 with headgaskets and EGR, i personnally own a problem free 6.0 and love it, so does my uncle, now the 6.4 is another story, i admit that i wouldn't buy one, but to the bashers out there ITS NOT FORDS FAULT, INTERNATIONAL IS THE ONE WHO MAKES THE DIESEL MOTORS FOR FORD THATS WHY THE NEW 6.7 IS A FORD IN-HOUSE MOTOR!!!!!!!
I've seen 6.0's pull rear ends off cummins and duramax trucks, so GM lovers keep dreaming, CUMMINS AND DURAMAX HAS ITS OWN LIST OF PROBLEMS, but at least Cummins and Powerstrokes and American motors, and not Japanese motors fresh off the boat. My rant is done.

Oh just throwing this out there....... Wo has accpeted billions of tax-payers dollars so they could keep making crappy car and trucks made of palstic GM!!!!

The more i read the more GM nutcases there are, GM is making money by turning everything into plastic, pretty soon theyll try a plastic engine block, cheap scum.

By the time everyone gets past the euphoria and the adrenaline rush of their new 700ft lb. super joke experimental diesel, loyal LONGTIME cummins and duramax owners will have racked up another 100,000 miles on their current trucks that are 5-8 years old now.( AND PAID FOR!!) HA!
I thought the 6.4L P.s. was supposed to be the new crown jewel that would power their f-250/350 sereis until the end of this millenium ? Hmm, I'd bet the 6.7 will be in the same (sinking) boat shortly.

Why can't I purchase an F-150 with a 300-400hp turbo diesel that gets 30mpg empty at 70mph???

It sure seems like government intervention.

i think that the 6.2 litter should be placed over the reg f150 because i have seen my uncles and friends change their ford trucks to a chevy truck because they say ford doesnt accelerate as fast as chevy does and that the new chevys are faster than fords f models.. ford fan till i die.

ford xlt will be better off with a 6.2 its time to make bigger and stronger engines..

Wow. Lots of misinformation out there. First, the 6.0 was a dog until about 2005. Bugs were still there, but the big stuff was fixed. The only MAJOR problem with the 6.4 was the fuel economy. A few computer fixes at the start fixed most "issues" there. Also, a cold weather cover was needed to prevent freezing in the intake. Not good, but the engine and tranny are holding up just fine.

Next, GM 1/2 ton trucks WHEN COMBINED do sell more than Ford, but they also sell to mass-fleets, whereas Ford limits the number of vehicles going into the fleet market to stabilize trade values. Ford DOMINATES the light duty segment, and as a single-point brand, sells more than either Chevy or GMC. The reason GMC's sell is because there are folks that don't like the Chevy. Would they still buy a GM if the Sierra wasn't available? We don't know.

Ford is NOT considering the 2.5l EcoBoost for trucks. The other four are still on the table. The 6.2 is all-but confirmed, and the 3.5l EcoBoost is being rumoured to get around 23-24 miles to the gallon while pushing out 320 horses --more than enough power for most 1/2 ton applications.

Drive the 6.7 before you comment on it. It's UNBELIEVABLE. I sell the trucks, I know. Easily getting over 20mpg unloaded, quiet, fluid like a gas truck, and CHOCK full of power. I also sell Sierras. I preferred the Sierras' drivetrain to the Super Duties with the Navistar engines. It's not even close this time.

The 5.4 is too doggy for a Super Duty, the Ford AND the GM 6.2 are awesome.

Ford has an exhaut-type brake that's easier to use than Dodge's. Plus, with progressive range shifting, trailer sway control and a six-speed RELIABLE transmission, the techonology is more advanced all the way around. You can also adjust the integrated trailer brake controller to work with hydraulic brakes.

More Fords are towed because there are more still on the road and for longer. The frames don't deteriorate the way Dodge and GM's do. They're stronger and no one denies that. Fords tow more than Dodges. You know who told me that? Dodge. It's in their tow manuals. Also, if you buy an "extended warranty"/service contract, expect to pay almost twice as much for a Dodge's plan. Why? The service contract companies have no "dog in the hunt". They just use factual data compiled, and the average Dodge breaks down more often and when they do they cost more. Just the facts, guys.

Finally, Ford is the only free-market automaker left on the planet, and is making a great product. Service issues are down across the board (including the 6.0l), and they continue to operate profitably.



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