@Bob - where do I start?
There is nothing false about my posts.
Did you read my post about GM/Obama Corp.?
or did you check the link out?
Why don't you Google GMC's bailout?
TruthAboutCars.com has some good information. Each time you go off on one of your rants you prove my point about B'0'B.
The only part GM is "paying back" is actually not a payback but a return of funds held in trust(escrow).
Let me put this in terms you will understand:
Lets say- you and your "partner" are snuggling on the sofa. You are feeling "romantic" and put your best moves on your partner. Your partner says,"Bob, we can't , we have no personal lubricant". You say, "but, Barrack, I promise i will be gentle." Barrack says, "but, honey, thats what you said the last few times". Bob says"Barrack honey, I have no money, I spent my savings, maxed out my line of credit, and credit cards. I have no money to get anything." Barrack says,"Bob, you big manly truck driver, there is 100 dollars in the cookie jar for emergencies." Bob says,'Thanks dear, I'll be right back". Barrack says" Take the Prius. You know how I hate those big smelly diesels". Bob returns. Bob says, "look honey, I only spent 60 bucks. I'll put the 40 dollars back". Look I am paying you back 40 dollars. Aren't I a wonderful partner".

Ford is the best selling brand and they can market as such and they are technically right. If the roles were reversed GM would be stupid not to do the same thing. However, the Ford fan boys refusal to acknowlagde that GM tucks are more popular is just mind numbing. Especially when the F150 and the Super Duty are two different trucks lines. They cry you can't combine two different lines but that is exactly what they are doing.

It's like saying we won the game but they scored more points. You can't count that last touchdown because it was scored by the defense.

Lets say- you and your "partner" are snuggling on the sofa. You are feeling "romantic" and put your best moves on your partner. Your partner says,"Bob, we can't , we have no personal lubricant". You say, "but, Barrack, I promise i will be gentle." Barrack says, "but, honey, thats what you said the last few times". Bob says"Barrack honey, I have no money, I spent my savings, maxed out my line of credit, and credit cards. I have no money to get anything." Barrack says,"Bob, you big manly truck driver, there is 100 dollars in the cookie jar for emergencies." Bob says,'Thanks dear, I'll be right back". Barrack says" Take the Prius. You know how I hate those big smelly diesels". Bob returns. Bob says, "look honey, I only spent 60 bucks. I'll put the 40 dollars back". Look I am paying you back 40 dollars. Aren't I a wonderful partner".

Lou,

That was by far the most hilarious post you every made. Thanks for the laugh!!

"It's like saying we won the game but they scored more points. You can't count that last touchdown because it was scored by the defense". - Car_Guy 001

It's not whether we win or lose, it's how we build a truck.

Bob,

A few words of wisdom for you. Nothing against your beloved GM brands. Just read.

http://www.glasbergen.com/idbook.html

ford has to to combine 2 different trucks together (f150 and superduty) to sell this much trucks and still dont outsell GM, Sierra and Silverado are more idenical then f150 and superduty!!!

Lex,

So does GM. You're post failed.

"Sierra and Silverado are more identical then f150 and superduty".

You're correct here, We all know we can distinguish an F150 from an F250 if we take the badges off. Too bad we can NOT say the same for the GM twins since they are identical.

Bob gets owned again.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA . Man, that was funny..... Ford Rocks.

GM is the one that chooses to market the same truck as 2 different trucks, don't blame Ford for taking any advantage they can from that.

Those of you doing the f150 superduty combo are failing on a major level of flawdness.

These vehicles are "F-Series" and are sold as the same truck line. And if you think that is unfare then i have to ask you what you think Silverado, Sierra and Ram mean? Those are combined 1500 and HD sales also geniuses.

Wow...just wow.

Is this a discussion site from pickups or a tryout for the next cable news show host. Take your schlock elsewhere

I find it sad that GM fanboys have to combine both identical trucks just to say they outsold Ford's ONE truck. Just sayin

Yes GM did receive money from the government and Yes they are paying what ever they have to pay back. Ford humping fans like Frank and Lou try to change the subject about GM sells more trucks than Ford because they can't win that argument. I said GM is paying back the loans and they are a much healthier company now that they have restructured and cut costs.

The government did the right thing and loaned the money just like they did to banks to save the economy and save thousands of jobs across the country.

Now, back to the subject at hand, GM outsells Ford in trucks and cars and no amount of spin by Frank and screwey Louie will change those facts! Now, Frank and Lou, stop touching yourselves and quit humping your Ford model trucks.

Bob,

Your computer is trying to tell you something.

LMFAO!!!!

THAT'S RIGHT!!! FORD POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of Ford Power, GM's trucks offer more powerful engine choices in their gas and diesel engines. How's that Ford power working out for ya Frank???

Once again Ford is 2nd to GM again, sucks to be you Frank.

If you are a GM person you would believe they won. I is jst plain ridiculous to start combining different vehicles. The purpose of the rating is the "one" truck that comes out on top, not the two trucks just because they are made from the same company. I am just saying how pathetic it all is. The F serries is the number one selling vehicle. The Sierra and the Silverado are not the same truck, DUH.

@Bob - I own a GM Van. Engine in the front, rear wheel drive. Kinda like a pickup but with a permanent canopy.
I drive a GM. I bet you'll find that confusing!
As confusing for you as spelling your name backwards?
The monthly and year end tally is by brand.
Sales are counted by brand.
Ford sells more by brand.
Do you want to talk about which company sells the most vehicles?
If thats the case then run Toyota up the flag pole.
They are currently #1.
I doubt they'll hold that position for long.
Why does this site post by Brand?
Why do other sites post by brand?
Trucktrend – excerpt – “combining the sales of the number-two Chevrolet Silverado with its twin, the fourth-place GMC Sierra, would put them over the top, but since GM counts them separately, so will we.”
GMC counts them separately. So does this site, so does every other truck site.
So do I.
I don't really care who is number 1.
Someone should connect a diesel emission system to your gaping pie hole to reduce the pollution you create!

cmka.1,

Some posters here are a little less educated as the others. Hence, their elevator does not go all the way to the top.

You can't argue with an "****" because they will only bring you down to their level.

Bob get's owned by Lou once again.

Lou, you have good reliability much like Ford's.

Bob, going back to your "hows that Ford power working out for you" comment. GM has more HP and TQ, but ALL the Fords have a higher tow capacity than your GM trucks... what does that say about GM?

ALL the Fords have a higher tow capacity than your GM trucks... Hay Taylor did your mind turn to mush? have you bought into Ford having a higher tow rating because they said so argument. How about showing it to me in black in white apples to apples trucks and comparable engines and transmissions. And for all the we have a higher tow rating that Ford likes to claim, why are the scared to hook up to a Chevy to prove it. Ford sounds like Barrack Obama, there both full of B.S.!

Bob - you shouldn't badmouth your "partner" Barrack like that. You guys have a little spat? a little tiff? knickers in a knot? "You big manly truck driver". You are so cute when you get all worked up. LMFAO....

@Frank - thanks. A F150 is number 1 on my shopping list.

Read the comments below where it states best selling half ton is the Chevrolet Silverado and not the F-150. regardless, GM sells more Silverado's and Sierra's than Ford does. Read below Ford lovers....

In the light-duty segment, most domestic half-ton pickups increased their market share at the expense of Nissan and Toyota. The Chevrolet Silverado’s slice grew from 31.5 percent to 32.4 percent, continuing its reign as the best-selling half-ton pickup truck in the U.S. at 119,959 units sold. That’s probably news to some readers because, as we mentioned earlier, monthly sales figures announced by the manufacturers aggregate sales of light- and heavy-duty pickups but some news outlets incorrectly report the F-150 as the best-selling vehicle (and pickup) when they are really reporting total F-Series sales. The F-150 was able to increase share from 28 percent of the half-ton segment to 29.1 percent.

The all-new Dodge Ram 1500’s sales results deserve some special recognition. It bucks the conventional wisdom that new truck buyers wouldn’t want a Chrysler product while the company was going through bankruptcy and receiving bailouts from the federal government, and that core truck buyers prefer extra hauling capability over ride comfort – the Ram 1500 uses rear coil springs instead of conventional leafs that provide a much smoother unloaded ride but keep hauling and towing ratings the same as the old Ram 1500. The result: Ram 1500 market share increased the most of any half-ton pickup, from 13.6 percent to 15.8 percent. That 2.2 point jump is twice as much as the increase the new F-150 was able to carve out.

GMC, Toyota and Nissan all lost share, with Toyota dropping the most. The Tundra saw 3.2 points of market share evaporate in the first half of 2009 while the Sierra 1500 and Titan lost one-half point each.

Half-Ton Truck Winners: Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge
Half-Ton Truck Losers: Toyota, Nissan, GMC

Hey Alan Mulally, smart move by killing the Ranger! A 47.3% sales increase and there is no market for compact pick-ups. Now take your head out of your ass and give us the 2.5L Duratorq diesel.

@Bob - funny, I do not recall you mentioning 1/2 ton pickups in any of your posts?
lets take a trip down memory lane:
"Once again GM out sold Ford!!! "
" I did state several times however that GM out sold Ford and that continues to be true today"
"Facts are facts and the fact is GM outsells Ford"
"GM sells more trucks than Ford because they can't win that argument"
"Once again Ford is 2nd to GM again"
Those are your quotes B'0'B.
No mention of 1/2 tons anywhere in your posts.
You were talking Ford "F" series brand versus GM?
Now it's 1/2 tons.
What next B'0'B? GMC sold more Avalanches. Yeah GMC #1. Ford zero...
Funny that I mentioned Avalanches - they got outsold by Honda Ridgeline. Now that is funny......

@Bob - give up before you make yourself and GM fans look even dumber. You must enjoy public humilliation. Bob and Barrack. LMFAO

Frank, are you blind? Sierra have a totaly different front facia (hood, fenders, bumper, headlights, grille, etc.) and even bed skins... any body who are not blind can see that, and if you remove those badges from GMC you will still know that it's not a Chevy. But those trucks have idenical chassis, cab, most of interior, and almost idenical powertrain. Thorefore they are more idenical to each other as oppose to f150 and superduty.

@smtrthnu
if you havent noticed but GM and Ram share same body, interior, etc. with half tons and HD's. so that makes HD's and half tons almost idenical besides the the chassis and powertrain.. plus ford combine their f450 and f550 in their sales figure, and thats concidered a medium duty's.

I'm currently GMC, I've had Ford, don't get too tied up here in knots guys, I think the real news here is how Fiat, oh i'm sorry, I mean Dodge is dying on the vine with there borrowed cummins motor they can't build thimselves.

@Lex - Silverado, Sierra, Ram bodies are similar in appearance between 1/2 ton and HD.
They do not share the exact same bodies.
If you look more closely the nose clips are decidedly different.
Ford has chosen a differnt look for its 1/2 tons and HD pickups. Ford also has a different grill for each trim level of 1/2 ton.
I'm not sure of the point you were trying to make?
@Coaster - I agree with "the real news" is how Ram sales have collapsed. That was a huge surprise. That fact alone would be worthy of an individual news story.

um, pretty sure everybody is freaking out, theyre just saying gm sells more trucks, ill admit it too, but ford won best selling TITLE, good for ford, im a gm guy, at least its all american on top, so everyone calm down, and to think i was as stupid as all the hardcore fans when i was young, theyre both great trucks, i dont consider one better anymore, its just what you preffer

Hey Bob? Last I checked GM doesn't sell trucks. Chevrolet and GMC do. Show me a GM Silverado or Sierra and you will have a point. BTW no kidding GM sells more cars. Once again you are comparing a Corporation. GM owns GMC, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and others so naturally if you just compare Fords to GM, GM will win. Add in Mercury and Lincoln to Ford and the gap narrows.

Ford builds cars and trucks. GM builds nothing that is not built or sold under another nameplate. GM is a family of groups, not an actual brand.

@Lou Ram and Silverado/Sierra have same bodies, trust me i've rebuild a few. you can bolt up a half ton cab on a HD truck (for example crew cab half ton to crew cab HD) the difference between trucks are chassis, front bumper, hood, and grille. my point is that half tons are almost idenical to HD's as oppose to fords f150's and superduties (thats 2 different trucks) what next? they're gonna name ranger a f100 to joint the f serries? that way they can keep the Crown???
Yes ford sells more trucks then Chevy but GM sells more then fomoco period...

"they're gonna name ranger a f100 to joint the f serries?"

I think you might be right there, a regular cap, short box f-150 (they already have those) renamed F-100 available with the 3.7L V-6.

There is along history of counting all full size trucks together, until recently(the late 90's) everyone's half ton was on the same platform as the one ton. With the increase in popularity of trucks with people that didn't really need "trucks" Ford began having trouble juggling drive-ability and "truck" between the F-150 and the F-250/350. Which eventually led to them splitting the line so they could make F-150 street trucks without compromising on their F-250/350 work trucks. GM and Dodge followed suit later.

@Enjelus where do they have those new f100's with 3.7? cuz I havent seen one yet. couple years ago ford had a f100 (midside) to replace ranger.
Get your facts straight because GM was the one to separated the HD's in 1992 http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/justdifferentials/Chevy_3500HD_1997.jpg and ford followed, it inspired ford to build the superduty.

I meant to say couple years ago ford had a concept to replace ranger.

gm sold more truck,is the same whit the car,,witch part of the ford people don't understand..just look your self the numbers and take your pill..is funny nobody cry because one car sold more compare to another on..gm is gm and ford is ford...at the end of the year they don't split the numbers of sale..

@miath - the debate centers on brand. The listings of sales on this site and on any other site are by brand. GMC does sell more vehicles than Ford. Toyota sells more vehicles than GMC. I bet that in the next few years Ford will surpass GMC.This site does not list total sales. It lists brand. Legally, GMC considers Sierra and Silverado as separate truck brands.
This whole debate over who sells more doesn't prove anything. It is entertaining, and fun, but of no significance.

The important things we should be discussing are:
Ford F series + 9.5 % what are they doing right?
Silverado - 5.1 % what are they doing wrong? Why are people leaving Chev?
Sierra - 9.3 % what are they doing wrong?Why are people leaving GM?
The really big news is Dodge Ram
- 22% DECREASE
Why? They have the newest, best looking models. The HD Cummins is currently the best HD truck. What happened to Dodge? Are customers pissed off over the "I am Ram" we are not Dodge cluster fornication? Why did Dodge sales crash?
The other notable news is Ranger + 47.3% and Nissan Frontier + 22 %. Why the sharp increase?
They are the closest trucks to the traditional "compact" truck. Is that why their sales shot up?
Why did the Colorado take a 43.2 % drop?

@ BOB - quote our Liar and Chief Barack Hussein Obama who lies all the time about statistics. quote

What a racist. Best go wrap yourself in the flag tonight and go to sleep...and wake up in 2010.

FORD is the better product...and sells more than chebby or GMsee. The numbers don't lie.

Who really cares how you count it? Who really cares if their truck is the "best selling"? American Idol and Burger King are both enormously popular but aren't good TV or food. The real problem here is for GM. They are hemorrhaging money AND losing market share. Not a good combination. I'm not really sure how Ford has managed to right the ship in these economic times, but good for them (and us, and the people who work for them).

do you think pickuptruck on day show.general motor truck sale and ford motor truck sale never,the only time they put gmc and chevy together if ford sold more truck ,combine they said,ford has the marketing brags,gm has the volume brags,the hd market is 1'5th the ld market what is better,marketing or volume make you choice....ex gm 2007,890,261.ford 698,971.2008,gm,673,334,ford 520,000, etc etc..

"@Enjelus where do they have those new f100's with 3.7? cuz I havent seen one yet. couple years ago ford had a f100 (midside) to replace ranger."

That was speculation on my part. Ford has already stated the 3.7L will be available in the F-150, I was merely speculating that they could put it in a short wheelbase F-150, rename it F-100 and it would be in line with the half ton "F-100" was dropped after '82. The F-150 "heavy half ton" was introduced in 1975. Its also important to note that "Ranger" was originally a trim package for the F-Series (from '65 to '81). The Ranger was release in '83 as a compact truck in '83. The F-150 seems at this time to be the Ranger's replacement.

"Get your facts straight because GM was the one to separated the HD's in 1992 http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/justdifferentials/Chevy_3500HD_1997.jpg and ford followed, it inspired ford to build the superduty. "

You are the one that needs to get your facts straight, the Ford Super Duty was released in 1999. The GMC/Chevy HD was released in 2001. The truck in that picture is a separate matter, the C3500HD was produced from '91 from '02, and was only offered as a commercial chassis cab.

I'm pretty sure that Ford has to combine the F150 and Super Duty, because the other brands include all the 1000-lb (half-ton) payload and heavy-duty pickups in the tabulation (i.e. Chevrolet Silverado includes 1500, 2500HD and 3500). Which is why RAM, GM, and Ford by far outsell Toyota and Nissan, not because the Japanese brands suck necessarily, but because they lack 1500-lb (three-quarter ton) and 2000-lb (one-ton) payload trucks. Food for thought.

It may also be important to point out that for produced an "F-Super Duty" from '87-'97 with the same GVW and chassis cab configuration ad the C3500HD. And that the C3500HD was actually GM's response to that truck.

@Enjelus - I suspect we will see an F150 "lite" as a replacement for the Ranger. Will they call it an F100? time will tell. There have been multiple engines rumored for the F150. The 3.5 Ecoboost is confirmed. There is a a rumor of a turbo 4 banger 2.5L, and a 3.7 V6 as well. I bet that we will see an F150 "lite" or a F100 with these engines. That will add to the "fun" over who sells more trucks if Ford resurrects the F100 name.

No one seems to be talking about Dodge Ram .
What happened there?
22% drop in sales.
New models usually increase sales.
Dodge/Chrysler is in big trouble with sales figures like that.

Lou,

Of course Ford Truck sales would be up, they have a brand new truck on the road.... Ram sales are sliding because Chrysler is a dead brand and GMC and Chevy sales are sliding because there trucks are almost 3 years old in design...

and spare us this "unbiased" crap, the fact that you own a GMC van makea you legit and free of all accusations ? I've never seen you say anything good about GM trucks on this site and even admitted yourself that the F-150 is your favorite truck, also whats wrong with somebody combining GMC and Chevy sales ? Doesn't all the money go to the same place ? GM is the mother company, a Truck sale for GM is a truck sale for GM, they don't care from what badge it came from..... IF Ford had two truck brands i gurantee you guys would try to combine them too.

@Jake - the F150 is my first choice to purchase because all the evidence points to the fact that it is the "best" 1/2 ton. It's not my "favorite" in relation to brand loyalty.
You may look at the same evidence and choose the Silverado or Sierra.
If Bob wasn't such a B'0'B I wouldn't be arguing any points for or against the "who sells more argument".
I mentioned the fact that I own a GM product not to render me free of accusations but to show that the vehicle I drive doesn't effect my decisions and/or opinions.
I'm on the side of "brand" sales versus "manufacturer" sales.
This site and many others post sales based on brand.
As far as not saying anything good about GM products - they have their positives and negatives.
The current debate has been brand versus total sales.
Depending on future pricing, sales, trade in value etc. I would not rule out owning another GM product. I would not rule out owning a Ram either.
I've said it time and time again - I have no problem with people challenging my views and opinions. I do not take it as a personal insult, nor does my ego get crushed if you do challenge them.

@Kieth, If you look close at a Silverado and Sierra they both have a square GM badge in front of the 2500/3500 Emblem on each front door. Both are GM trucks. Just thought i would point that out. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I see that their is some insecurity to some brand owners, really funny to read though.

@ Enjelus

Hmm all my buddies that drive GM Sierras, have all stated that there 2nd choice is not Chevy. Why? Apperance.

Look! Chevy outsold all the foreign brands put together!