Ford Announces 2011 F-Series Super Duty Power and Pulling Specs

Ford Announces 2011 Super Duty Engine Power and Pulling Specs

After holding our breath for five months, Ford has finally released the official power ratings for its 2011 F-Series Super Duty pickups. They are very impressive.

The all-new 2-valve SOHC 6.2-liter gasoline V-8 is rated at 385 horsepower (at 5,500 rpm) and 405 pounds-feet of torque (at 4,500 rpm), and the all-new 4-valve OHV 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 turbodiesel is rated at 390 hp (at 2,800 rpm) and an earth-shaking 735 pounds-feet (at 1,600 rpm) in the F-250, F-350 and F-450 pickups. The F-450 and up chassis cabs are rated at 300 hp and 660 pounds-feet.

Let's put these powerful numbers in perspective.

For the gassers, the outgoing 2010 Super Duty's standard 5.4-liter gas V-8 is rated at 300 hp and 365 pounds-feet, and the optional 6.8-liter V-10 is rated at 362 hp and 457 pounds-feet. So the new 6.2-liter V-8 has more horsepower than either of the old engines and just misses splitting the difference in torque between the 5.4-liter and 6.8-liter, with two fewer cylinders than the massive 6.8-liter.

We can also compare the 6.2-liter V-8 in the Super Duty against its application in the 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor. The 6.2-liter V-8 in the Raptor is rated at a larger 411 hp and 434 pounds-feet.

The power numbers are larger in the light-duty pickup for two reasons, according to Chris Brewer, Super Duty chief engineer.

2011 Ford F-450

"The main reason is that when the truck goes over 8,500 pounds [gross vehicle weight rating], the SAE [horsepower and torque] rating method changes," Brewer said. "We can't get the same horsepower and torque out of it [like we can in the F-150].”

The 6.2-liter V-8 in the Super Duty also uses a different camshaft from the light-duty version, which, some may recall, is the same approach Ford uses to make 500 hp in the FR Raptor XT version of the 6.2-liter V-8.

Before we compare the old and new diesel power ratings, you may be wondering why there are two sets of power figures for the 6.7-liter diesel. Again, gross vehicle weight rating plays a role.

The Environmental Protection Agency requires different emissions testing procedures depending on the gross vehicle weight rating, which leads to different power ratings. So-called "heavy-duty light trucks" below 14,000 pounds GVWR are tested using a chassis dynamometer; medium-duty vehicles whose GVWR is 14,000 pounds or greater are tested using an engine dyno.

Comparing the oil burners, the old chassis-certified 6.4-liter Power Stroke diesel V-8 is rated at 350 hp and 650 pounds-feet, so we're seeing a substantial jump in power by 40 horses and 85 pounds-feet from Ford's in-house designed and built 6.7-liter V-8. The dyno-certified 6.4-liter is rated at 325 hp and 600 pounds-feet, or 25 hp more and 60 pounds-feet less than the 6.7-liter.

"We're real pleased about the numbers for the new gas and diesel engines," Brewer said. "It's a big win for customers and us."

Brewer also broke down the 2011 Super Duty's new towing and hauling capabilities. Last week, GM announced its new 2011 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 and 3500 pickups would have best-in-class towing and hauling, pending the release of Ford's numbers. Ford is now claiming those numbers and bumping them significantly higher over the 2010 Super Duty.

The F-250 and F-350 single rear-wheel trucks can tow up to 14,000 pounds conventionally and haul 4,050 pounds and 4,500 pounds, respectively. The F-350 dual rear wheel is rated to pull 16,000 pounds conventionally and up to 21,600 pounds using a fifth-wheel hitch. It can haul payloads up to 6,520 pounds.

Maximum towing requires a standard 3.73 or optional 4.10 rear axle. For those interested in prioritizing fuel economy or looks over towing, the Super Duty can be ordered with 20-inch wheel s and a 3.55 final drive ratio or a tall 3.31 ring and pinion, which was introduced as an option in 2010.

2011 Ford F250

As we mentioned in our first look at the 2011 Super Duty, Ford has made significant frame changes to the F-450 pickup in response to owner requests for better fuel economy. The result is a lighter truck with a double-digit percentage improvement in fuel economy, and it tops out at 13,050 pounds GVWR for 2011 versus 14,500 pounds GVWR in the 2010 model. Maximum towing is 24,400 pounds, down marginally from 24,600 pounds, and maximum hauling is 4,920 pounds, down from 6,100 pounds.

The F-450’s top speed has also been raised. The old 19.5-inch wheels have been dropped because their tires were rated up to only 80 mph. New 17-inch wheels and tires raise the 2011 F-450’s top speed above 90 mph. The two-wheel-drive version has also been dropped. The F-450 is only available with four-wheel drive.

All the towing and hauling improvements are due to the new gas and diesel engines and all-new six-speed transmission, Brewer said. The frame and suspension components are virtually identical to the 2010 Super Duty lineup except for the F-450, which we noted earlier.

The 6.7-liter diesel also uses a unique approach to staying cool while working hard to help increase the numbers. It has two separate cooling systems, each with its own radiator and water pump. The primary cooling loop cools the engine while the secondary loop controls the temperatures of the exhaust gas recirculation, fuel and transmission coolers and a brand-new air-to-water charge air cooler that replaces the previous air-to-air intercooler.

In the future, we'll be interested to check back and see if Ford's towing ratings change once the proposed SAE J-2807 trailer towing standards are ratified by an alliance of truck manufacturers that includes Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota and Honda and several leading trailer and hitch makers.

Quick Heavy Duty Comparison Chart

"We are actively involved in the SAE Trailer Tow Committee that is developing the J-2807 standards," Ford spokeswoman Anne Marie Gattari said. "Final revisions to the standard are in progress with a ballot vote planned for this quarter. The standard will be implemented by all OEMS starting in 2013 [model year]. Ford's current plan is to follow in that direction at that time."

With all of the power and pulling improvements, Ford hasn't left fuel economy out of the equation. "For the pickups, we'll see an 18 percent improvement in fuel economy and 25 percent in the chassis cabs," Brewer said.

Brewer didn't provide specific numbers since HD pickups aren't required to carry EPA fuel economy ratings. We'll take his word for it until we can test the trucks.

We'll be driving the new Super Duty pickups soon. We can't wait to share our first impressions next month. Also, we'll be waiting to hear GM's horsepower and torque figures for the new "LML" 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 diesel to see if Ford will hang on to it best-in-class engine ratings.

Comments

Yikes that's enough to pull the hide off an Elephant .

It's a tiny bit less than what everyone was speculating, but I still think it's more than enough power to do anything. Hell, I just hope that it gets good fuel mileage. I plan on ordering one in the fall.

And it has a real front axle on the 4x4 version , by by GM .

Looks like ford left a carrot on a stick with that 390hp #. I'd expect GM to be the first to claim 400hp.

Here's what we said the power ratings were going to be in July 2008: http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/scorpion/ford-scorpion-diesel-said-to-have-big-sting.html

We were pretty close. ;-)

if this diesel turns to be as reliable as the cummins it will rock!....

i was expecting more from the gasser?!

since the dodge 5.7L gets about 390hp and 407 fttorque...

@billiejoe: Youre thinking of the light-duty Ram Hemi V-8. The HD Hemi is rated at 383 hp and 400 lbs-ft.

Impressive numbers. I'm getting a little concerned however. The heaviest load I have ever towed is about 3600 lbs of holiday trailer. I know its not much butI am very very careful when towing because of the obvious decrese in braking and cornering abilities. But any idiot with enough money can go and but one of these trucks and max it out with 20,000 lbs of trailer with no training or skill testing required. When do we get to the point were these trucks require a specail license to purchase because of there tremendous capabilities. There are enough poor drivers on the road and lots of them tow where I live. Just some food for thought.

So the 350 has better payload than the 450? Interesting i expect the 450 to become a trim model on the 350 during the next upgrade.

I think the diesel has enough torque to not just pull a 747, but to move the Space Shuttle from the barn to the launch pad

@ Jordan,

Forget about pickups. Look at the guys that buy bus sized RVs and then tow 20,000lb toy haulers behind them. In many states you don't need any kind of special license to drive these things and they can weigh more than even a loaded F750 dumptruck. Now that's scary.


Anyway, the numbers for the HD pickups are pretty solid. However, I'm thinking Ford is being somewhat conservative with their engine tuning for the initial release; which is making these numbers lower than they could be. Ford most likely wants to play it safe until they see what the competition brings out. At that point they'll know what they're up against and can implement changes as needed.

Just to let you all know, these trucks drive amazing compared to the 08-10. The new engine is such a big improvement. The power is right there as soon as you get on it. I look forward to big things from this new powerplant.

@Paul - I agree with you. Ford probably has posted lower numbers. It is the beginning of a tug-o-war between them and GMC.

These number look impresive.

"The frame and suspension components are virtually identical to the 2010 Super Duty lineup except for the F-450, which we noted earlier."
Can someone explain how tow rating went from 18,200 to 21,600 without major frame changes?

@Lex
It seems the all new engine/transmission combo is the big reason. More power and a stronger transmission with better gearing can lead to an increase in towing if the rest of the truck can take it.

Paul,
Engines and transmissions are capable of towing more in any HD. Look current Chevy, segment leading HP and torque but can tow 16k, and 2011 has a new chassis to handle 20k

Mike, Can you answer this?

Hey Ford. What did Ram and Chevy say about their Rear Axle Max GAWR?

IT'S OVER 9000!!!

He already answered it in the article.

@Lex

Chevy had the opposite problem. The engine and transmission might have been able to take it, but the rest of the truck couldn't. Once they updated the chassis they could make full use of the running gear. That, combined with a likely more powerful engine, tweaked transmission, and gearing changes and we can account for the jump from 16k to 20k.

With Ford, the chassis was strong, but the running gear most likely had trouble reaching the required durability and drivability specifications set forth for it. With more power, greater durability, and better gearing; now we've allowed for an increase from 18k to 21k.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there is a bit of play in the numbers, due to there not being an agreed upon standard. Something that is in Spec for one company might be out of spec for another. Once the SAE organizes a true standardized system of measurement there will be less fudging going on.

The new Power Stroke numbers are pretty good, inflated towing number (like always from Ford, see below). But, I see the Duramax with just a touch more power (like always). To bad, with all of the money GM put into the new HDs, they kept the IFS. New rumors coming from the Ram camp are saying, next year the Cummins is getting a good boost of HP and TQ as well, thanks to a new turbo. But still not using urea (Which unfortunately Ford and GM need). Ford better hope, with a new bigger gassers coming from GM and Ram (see next paragraph), that this new Power Stroke is a good motor. If it launches like that Power Joke, Ford is going to take another huge hit in the HD market.

The Ford's new gas numbers are laughable. All that hyping it up, and it barely squeaks out better numbers, then the 2 year old and half liter smaller HEMI HD. However, it does have a better trans. Which will be the main reason it outperforms the HEMI, at least for one year. More new rumors, from the Ram camp, say in 2011, at the latest 2012, the new 6.4 HEMI will be released. Plus a new 6 speed auto, available for both HEMI engines. I don't see the GM 6.0 having much more power then it has now. But, when released, the new 7.0 should be a good 6.4 HEMI fighter, leaving Ford scrambling to replace the V10 (If they feel the need to keep up in the gas market). I see, as diesel engine prices keep soaring, the option for a larger gas engine. These will be used by people who tow heavy loads, but don't do it regularly (commercial/government work). This is why Ford's V10 sold so well.

All of the HD diesel trucks can pull much more then they are rated for (thus the reason for Ford inflating there towing numbers, they do it so they can claim the most). What most people don't realize is that any truck hooked up to more then 23000lbs. (which all of these trucks can) need a CDL to do. On top of that, most state law, requires special registration of the vehicles that tow more then 23000lbs. and EVERY HD truck, in most states, is limited to 30000lbs. BTW ALL can handle 30000lbs. without breaking, when properly driven, even though NONE of them are rated to tow that much. People need to understand towing numbers in the HD market, are just claims, not the gospel. All of them can handle 30000lbs, but none of them, by state law (in most states) can tow more then it. So in other words, they ALL are the badest on the block. The only real bragging point is: who is the cheapest to operate.

ford had the HD gas market pretty much to themselves with the v10, and now they just gave it up, they shouldve also made a 7.2-7.4l v10 and kept what they had going, they probably didnt wanna hurt their new diesel sales with a new v10, so now theyll just loose the sales instead

The diesel wars are on! Cummins will step up to the plate next!

Uh, what would keep Ford from using eco-boost technology on the 6.2? Some people really are brand bashers and some just don't have a clue. Unfortunately some here are both.

Good numbers but I was hoping for 405hp and 760lb ft. Maybe with a couple bolt on aftermarket parts it will get there. Something else Ford has as an option from the factory with a warrenty is you can get a 5 wheel hitch installed also.

Here's what concerns me about those tow numbers of the F350 (GTW 21600, GCWR 29000) - stopping power:

- F350 brake rotors: 13.66" rotors front, 13.39" rotors rear, no mention of exhaust brake
- Ram 3500 brake rotors: 14.17" rotors front, 14.09" rotors rear, standard exhaust brake

Gives me way more confidence that a Ram can get its load to 0mph without issue, while the F350 (towing an extra 4000 pounds) could develop some drama.

I am a Dodge guy,but I love seeing the 735 Torque numbers even from a Ford..awesome..the h.p and torque war is on..Wonder what GM will have,then Dodge will upgrade and so will the others as usual..awesome !!!!

I think it not only be pretty awesome, but it would also be great advertisement to see ANY Heavy Duty pickup haul a 747 down a run way.

With the increased HP from the 6.2, that outdoes the v-10. I think the new 6 speed tranny will make up for the torqe loss. I will be willing to say it will out perform the v-10 just because of the tranny. This is just a guess. Look how well GM's 6 litre did agianst it with a six speed.

Why dont those Ford losers do something with the exterior of the cab and box??? How ever Cummins and Duramax need some upgrades now. But that being said Ford still SUCK!!!!!!!

All the Hype about the New Trucks Motors And Payload! Were Does some Legality and Common sense Come In.
Where I live a Fully Loaded Truck and trailer OVER 26,001 pounds, the Operator needs a CDL License to Drive it If you look at the Fine Print in The article, Look at all of the trucks, they are Reg. cabs 4wd longbeds. Not Crew Cab 4wd longbeds. What are they rated at? Can't be as much. they Weigh more!
Around Here there are a ton of idiots that will go out Load there new trucks to the max. The main problem is they have no Idea of how to even drive them!
There has to be some sort of Communication from the dealer to the end user on this kind of stuff. But there won't be! Just who can bragg the most and sell the most! I think its getting out of hand! whats next 10 liter V-8's, 5 MPG???
I will believe the MPG when I see it!

those numbers are great, but I was really hoping for 400hp and 750 tq. I have no doubt that the duramax will be closer or above 400. Guess we'll wait and see.

This is how I see it. The duramax will step up to the plate next and like a typical chevy they will boast about the HP numbers. Yeah yeah hp means something too but isn't the hd market more concerned about torque? 750 ft lbs was unheard of in the 80's and 90's when diesels first started out and started to become popular in pickup trucks.

As for the one comment that said why doesn't ford change the exterior. Let me say this I can physically point out several design changes. Look at the 2011 chevy/gmc NONE! Big deal they raised the hood three inches. Still didn't change the grill or headlights.

I still see the Chevy as the speedester of the diesels but the real workhorses are Ford and Dodge! (my opinion anyways)

Whoops correction 735 hp was unheard of in the 80's and 90's for pickup trucks.

No manual tranny? Sorry, not interested.

More than likely the reason for dropping the V10 was that the new 6 speed offers the same performance and yields better MPG than the current V10. The 6.2 is also killing the 5.4L in the Superduty line up it appears. Why make 3 engines when you have one engine and tranny combo that can cover all three with just tweaking gearing? Make good financial sense IMHO. Same goes for making their diesel in house. It can keep costs down and make assembly and modification easier.

As a foot note, the out put of the 6.2 might be detuned for added longevity. In all honesty the Superduty application is going to be worked way harder than in an F150 or a Raptor. The Superduty is a work horse, the Raptor is a race horse. Two totally different applications. They are doing the same thing w ith the 5.0L in the Mustang and F150. Two different tunes.

Now that Ford has released its numbers before Chevy, no doubt GM will be making some final tweaks with the turbo and programming so they can advertise 400HP. Especially if they are no longer class leading on the towing and payload on the '11 trucks. It wouldn't be hard at all to get an extra 10HP out of it. GM will likely go for the class leading on power. But whether 10HP makes any difference to a 3 ton truck? I think people just want the "400" number. Which makes sense if you buy a truck for bragging rights.

The power is very impressive, but is nobody else concerned about the "two separate cooling systems?" Extra radiators and water pumps? That just seems like something else to go wrong. I'm a little skeptical, especially with a new motor and considering the recent history of the Powerstroke.

Lou and Dave are killing this blog with their anti-GM posts. What's the problem with you guys are you scared that GM is going to have more hp than Ford???? The only thing that's idiotic are your bs statements about GM. GM is better than Ford at making heavy duty. The evidence is overwhelming! Chevy and GM Rules! and Ford drools! How do you like those apples?

Awesome! I think Ford is being conservative and waiting to hear from GM. A diesel engine like this one has tons of tuning options to make way more power than stock. Look at the 6.4L Powerstroke rated @ 350hp/650lb-ft, but with just a intake, exhaust, and good tuning (Spartan, Innovative, River City) it could make 590-600hp at the rear wheels!

I think Ford will bum up power when neccisary.

I really want to see GM's number for the new LML Duramax.

I think Ford, GM, and Dodge all have great trucks coming out and I cant wait for the HD shoot-out Mike!!!!

@Will
Is having two different oil pumps a danger? Will something go wrong? Technically the chances of failure do increase with extra parts but it may be insignificant compared to the increase in reliability it brings to other parts and increased power and usability.

paul

you are a joke, just two days ago on this site you posted that the 6.2 boss was going to get 411 HP and 434 lb-ft... LOL good job, you were only off by 26 horsepower and 29 torque....so does the power still match up with the 6.2 vortec ;)


this Boss V8 is the best ford could do after 10 years of people waiting and being stuck with that ancient 5.4 ? Don't get me wrong the numbers are solid, but it barely beats the older 5.7 Hemi and it will barely beat the much older 6.0 V8 (when its new numbers are released) and it still trails the 6.2 Vortec... I'd be kinda pissed if i was Ford fan.

@richard, I think alot of us can tell the difference in the design changes that Ford has made to the Super Duty. But the comment that was made about Ford getting around to doing something about the exterior of the cab and bed I agree with. The current cab and bed design has been the same since the Super Duty trucks were introduced back in the late 1990s. As fas as Dodge and Chevy are concerned, both have come out with two totally redesigned heavy duty trucks within the last 10 years or so while Ford has been trucking along with the same body style. The only thing that Ford has done over the years to the Super Duty trucks is redesign the frontend a few times, strengthen up the frame/suspension, increase the HP numbers to the engines and make changes/improvements to the interior, all the while claiming that it's a whole new truck.

"Lou and Dave are killing this blog with their anti-GM posts. What's the problem with you guys are you scared that GM is going to have more hp than Ford???? The only thing that's idiotic are your bs statements about GM. GM is better than Ford at making heavy duty. The evidence is overwhelming! Chevy and GM Rules! and Ford drools! How do you like those apples?" - bobby1971

Awww yes, the irony

I dont have much to say about his subject other than Phil is an IDIOT! Go back to the playground where you belong and dont bother posting on this site unless you have something mature to say.

"@richard, I think alot of us can tell the difference in the design changes that Ford has made to the Super Duty. But the comment that was made about Ford getting around to doing something about the exterior of the cab and bed I agree with. The current cab and bed design has been the same since the Super Duty trucks were introduced back in the late 1990s. As fas as Dodge and Chevy are concerned, both have come out with two totally redesigned heavy duty trucks within the last 10 years or so while Ford has been trucking along with the same body style. The only thing that Ford has done over the years to the Super Duty trucks is redesign the frontend a few times, strengthen up the frame/suspension, increase the HP numbers to the engines and make changes/improvements to the interior, all the while claiming that it's a whole new truck". - Steven

Steven,

The sales figures say otherwise. GM has had more significant changes than Ford and yet it has not topped a 10 year old design with it's 10 year old anemic engine.

EPA ='s back door socialism, and we are all taking it there because of them...

4.4 liter diesel is 66% of the 6.7. So does that mean a 4.4 would get 256 HP with 483 torque, not a question because we all know it could. And we all know that is what is needed in 150 / 1500 trucks and SUVs. Oil demand would drop given this engine, min 25 combined mpg when not towing, which is 99% of use...

EPA truly equals keep us on gas. Diesel is cheaper and easier to refine. The EPA wants us on gas, keeping demand high! I want this great country back! My son deserves better!

Please don’t follow up with a comments on emission, that’s BS...

Frank,

you have came a very long way, you acutally admitted a Ford engine was anemic, i didn't think you had it in you...

"Frank,

you have came a very long way, you acutally admitted a Ford engine was anemic, i didn't think you had it in you".. - Jake


Jake,

I'm just being realistic, right?

"ink it not only be pretty awesome, but it would also be great advertisement to see ANY Heavy Duty pickup haul a 747 down a run way."
Well not a Super Duty , but BMW had one of its SUV's tow an Airbus down a runway.

Jake, Ford 6.2 gets 411/434 in the F-150 Raptor on reg gas. GM's gets 403/417 on premium. I do believe it gets less than 385/405 on reg. So Ford outdoes GM with half tons. Thing is, you are comparing apples and oranges. GM's heavy duties get the 6.0, not the 6.2, unless I missed that announcement. So you can't compare GM's half ton HP with Ford SD hp. ( the 6.2 was detuned in the SD in case you missed that)



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