give the chance to ford,dmax was first for years ,so what if ford go top this year,we no gm have more diesel experience compare to ford and dont forget gm have diesel engine around the world,,,,they build big diesel engine,give a chance to ford,,and dont forget they use some gm design ...

pickuptruck.com should really stop asking for comments ! all you guys do is bitch and complain about who's always better. who cares let the buyers decide !

The CGI block is yet another unproven aspect of the 6.7L Powerstroke. I am not saying it wll be a problem, but we just don't know for sure yet. I have seen pictures of the 6.7L block, and it is VERY thin in places for a diesel.

Absolutely unnecessary power numbers are trying to be achieved. You can't legally tow anything these new diesels of the past three years are capable of. Why more power and not better fuel economy? Now that the HD trucks have more than enough power to get any job done, the manufacturers need to focus on Light duty half ton diesel with 30 plus mpg.

CGI is stronger than cast iron Big Bob, it's been used on a few diesel blocks already. The reason it hadn't been used on large engines in the past was down to cost. The new diesel is the same price to the consumer as the previous diesel. Why shouldn't Ford use CGI blocks? So stronger than cast iron, and lighter than aluminum. You would have to be a Chevy fan to say CGI is no good.

I love little battles like this. I am a huge fan of Dodge usually but I love all the features that are in this truck. I test drove the F150 a few weeks before and I was really impressed with how it feels. I can only imagine that the heavy duty is the same.

Total truck design is going to count for more than a slight advantage in torque or horsepower.

Let the best truck win.

"So businesses buy Ford and Dodge because the trucks can handle the work and not worry about crushing the suspension in them. "

That's laughable! I'm in the RV business and have been installing 5th wheel and goose neck hutches for a lot of years. The Dodge frame is by far the weakest of the 3. When drilling 1/2" holes in the frame of a Dodge, you don't need to start with a smaller size bit. Just use a 1/2" bit and you can do all holes with 1 bit. Plus we tend to move the rails further forward on a Dodge to cut down on cracking the frame with the guys that pull heavy. The GM and Ford frames are alot harder to drill. Never had a problem with a GM hitch install.

You watch! Chevy will using a CGI block next! Navistar all of sudden decided to use CGI now. lol
CGI blocks have used for a while now, including Nascar.
Looks like the Future way!
Kind of like Urea/DEF...Lots moan and groan over it....but he or she wants a newer truck in years to come, will be using it! So don't put your foot in your mouth!

You have to remember, they don't produce a motor or a truck with on purpose week points.
The More thorough they are on there build and design, the more money they make down the road,because a lot less TSB's,recall's,ecm reflashes....That ALL cost them money!
Plus, You have HAPPY customers!

That right there is just common sense,which i believe a lot of business men and people LOST in betwen screwing someone over to get a dollar!!!

Ford will Earn back a lot of customers On this diesel! Last week,there is 50,000 plus super duties on Order already!

I have a 2007 Chevy 2500HD CCSB with the LBZ Duramax. With a tune it's making 450/800. I haven't had any motor, trans or other problems after 70k miles of towing 22-23k combined and daily driving.

The 99-2004 F550's that Utility companies use for bucket trucks have problems with lugs snaping off. Ford refused to stand behind the issue even after they increased the lug diameter on the 2005 and newer F550's. At work we switched to 5500 GM service bucket truck after having transmission, frame and lug problems with the 4x4 F550's. Our whole fleet is 1500, 2500, 3500, 5500 GM trucks and International bucket trucks and pitman/diggers.. We've had Ford trucks in the past but the GM trucks last longer with less down time and have a higher resale at auction.

@miath... Do tell how does GM have more experience at building diesels than Ford? As I recall it took Isuzu to help GM build a reliable diesel. Ford on the other hand has been building world class diesels in Europe for years. The only reason they did not build them here was of their relationship they had with International that went sour. To say GM has more experience is laughable at best...

@Shawn,

Just let it go, we all know the answer. The GM Fanbois will say othewise just like that other ill-informed person who said CGI blocks are weak. Ignorance is bliss.

Stay up.

-Frank

I'm surprised we haven't heard much from Bob lately. Wait for the March sales figures to start the whole my brand sells more than your company crap. Here is the link to RL Polk dats just to keep you guys happy.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/11/ford-and-dodge-trucks-gain-market-share-in-2009/comments/page/2/

This whole HP/torque thing is just bragging rights now. If I wanted Class 8 capacity, I'd be trucker like my father.

oh,come on ford fans said whats a couple hours power,now they are saying how great it is,i suppose ford will lie to us all over again and say now great this motor is,they will tell us its the best most powerfull deisel made , all over again i never seen so many buy backs like i did in 04-05,they were j-u-n-k.and they should give the customers 8.000 dollors off if they bought there junk from 03-09,the 6.4 was going to be the answer,i dont think so,one of mine gets 9 miles to gallon,im sick of them ill drive my chevy 2500 hd for now.good luck ford faithfull

Shawn, I guess you never heard of Detroit Diesel or EMD? GM went with Isuzu because of their experience with small and medium sized diesels, and because at the time GM was a majority owner of Isuzu.

@john damps
What??? Do you read what you write before you post? Very poor writing! Even if I could understand what you wrote, I have trouble taking you seriously.

Ive read through this blog and i would like to clear a few things up, for those of you that think that horsepower is the be all and end all of engine performance your wrong, horsepower is simply a measurement of torque so when you say 400 hp is more than 18 wheelers, those 400 hp heavy truck engines are generating 1500 lb/ft of tq its not even comparable. For those of you that think that the lowly isuzu in "government motors" HD (hugely disapointing) is so awesome i would challenge you to pull load for load of hardwood logs against my superduty which has that "junk" 6.0l psd in it, of course at the end of the day you would not have a truck left, Gm is giving trucks away in our area cause they don't sell the 3500 hd cab and chassis trucks are breaking the frames right behind the cab and gm is not standing behind them because they are "overloaded" Im sorry but a cab and chassis dually that wont carry a plow and 2 yd sander is rediculous! Hats off to ford for having the sack to build their own in house diesel engine i cant wait to get mine

Have you heard the latest, Great Mess (GM) has issues a recall of all the 2010 duramax diesels. They have faulty crankshafts, , they blow up if driven moderately hard.

Who needs this much power? We do. We haul storage buildings from NC to VA and WV, its like pulling a wall down the freeway not to mention a GCWR of around 26,000. Our 6.6 Dmax can only run about 45 up fancy gap @3000 rpm so the more tq and hp the better....

Everyone says gm this gm that when were talking engine but in truth gm doesnt have hardly anything to do with it its isuzu. Ford is in house therefore their the only ones actually "making" their own diesel engine. And the 6.6 is a worn out out dated platform that had a good run its days in the chevy are definetly numbered. And aobut the power war if yuou look in the past its never been by very much maybe 10 hp of lbs ft and that all tuning that just for show and the ford was still rated to tow more. Im sure you guys can see what im getting at.