It looks like Global Vehicles India, I mean U.S.A., is still dreaming. They should just cut their losses and move on.

They should invest on a more sure thing like; importing the next Canyon/Colorado or T6. That would be money and efforts well spent. Trucks that Americans would actually buy.

GV saw the EPA mileage numbers and now wants to be as far away from this joke as they can get. What is the point of the diesel vehicle that gets no better, and maybe WORSE, mileage than a comparable gasoline vehicle?

Mahorrid!

pik up ?????????????????????????????????

LOL, I seriously don't think that America will be missing anything much! That thing is fugly!

Wait I'm confused. It says GV dropped the case against Mahindra, but the case is scheduled to be heard in August?

I'm upping that to 15 foot pole marks. A 10 foot pole is just to close.

4 door, 4x4, 5,000 lb. tow capacity, and 30 (real world) HWY MPG. in a reliable small truck or don't bother, because were not interested!

@HeyHombré: There were two actions between the companies. 1.) Binding arbitration in Britain per the terms of GV USA's distribution contract with Mahindra and 2.) a civil lawsuit in U.S. federal court filed by GV USA against Mahindra.

#2 has been dropped. #1 is still in progress.

Looks like we just got saved from the next Yugo. Mahindra makes junk anyway.....

Well, they might get a bunch of those brain-dead old geezers in the mid-west (you know who I am talking about) to trade thier rusted-to-oblivion Rangers, Dakotas and S-10's in on one of these cans (cause all that 'buy American' jazz goes right out the window when they see something this cheap- as in Walmart!). Thing is this show won't play in the real world. Too ugly, economy isn't there, good chance the build quality isn't up to snuff either (we'll see). Really have doubts these will ever go on sale here. In the meantime, set back and enjoy the soap opera. Got a feeling there will be plenty more litigation to go around!

The only way to sell small trucks is if you can compete with the Tacoma or sell cheep enough to undercut the Ranger.
This thing is in the 25 - 30K range.
Too expensive regardless of how many guys say they have a hard on for a small diesel.

It's OVER! The Indian and American market are still just too far apart to see an them sell ANY road going vehicles here in the near future.

@Hawaiian- There are several vehicles that hit that mark- the L200/Triton, the Highlux, The Navarra (Frontier). Numbers for the new T6 Ranger/B Series arent out yet. I would be very interested to see what the Japanese, with their 2.5 diesels can do, fitted to meet EPA regs. Probably not quite 30, but close. If they can't do it, Mahindra never had a chance- did you happen to look at the specks of that thing? It's rather piggish.

A year ago I was talking to my local Ford dealer and he told me they had a Mihandra sign already to be put up and paid lots of money to get the franchise. Hopefully they will just write off the lose and not even carry them.

Wonder what the reason for dropping the case was. I'd guess they didn't have a chance of winning it or the reward would have been appealed till they finally went bankrupt. No doubt GV is running out of money and needs to concentrate their efforts. Arbitration should give quick resolution but no big award. GV will ultiimately fade away.

Knowitall, I agree, A buddy of mine got the Ford Ranger brochure from New Zealand. It is one nice truck! The Global S-10 is similar. I have owned the LUV, Courier, and Datsun/Nissan
and my preference is the Small Truck. Nothing against full size, they'r just bigger than I need. Just want to convince the US Truck companies to sell good small trucks here.

Hawaiian, where did you get the 30 m.p.g. figure?
Mahindra knows this truck is a loser and they are using the e.p.a. regulations as an excuse to buy more time to bring a much more improved and womanized product to market.
If 20 m.p.g. is the best we'll ever see out of a diesel then I don't see a viable market for diesels outside of the people who legitimately need the torque to haul or tow cargo and rich morons who think they need 800 lb/ft of torque to give their butts a ride to the golf course or who just can't stand looking at other peoples taillights on the interstate while they are pulling their travel trailer or some other toy.

There's no way that thing only gets 20mpg. If that's it then it really is a piece. The downside of this mess is that will definitely make more viable manufacturers think twice about bringing small diesels to our market.

30mpg shouldn't be unattainable for a truck this size with a diesel. Anybody know what a diesel hilux gets??

Here's BMW's website info on what would be an ideal size motor. They put this in a 3-series. It sounds like 36mpg is a BMW number, and granted some changes would be made to make it applicable to a truck, but why can't this happen in a truck? Can't help but think that a Big 3 truck advertised similarly as a 'clean' or 'advanced' diesel would be well accepted. This would not only elevate the image of American engineering, but also the image of the American pickup. 1000 lb/ft of torque shouldn't be the goal, 30mpg with no less than 500 lb/ft should be.

335d Sedan
Diesel has officially been reinvented.
265 horsepower. 425 lb-ft of torque at 1,750 rpm. 36 mpg on the highway. This is not just any diesel vehicle, this is the BMW 335d. Representing the most innovative generation of diesel vehicles to ever be driven in the U.S., the 335d makes no sacrifices in power while still delivering an impressively clean, fuel-efficient drive.

the BMW you talk about is a $50,000+ automobile that is realy no bigger than a Chevy Cruze. of cause it will get the mpg that you say or better.

Hey David, the New Zealand Ford Ranger brochure is in bloody meters, but here it goes
2.5 td =8.5L/100KM, 330Nm of torque, pulls 2500 Kg
3.0 td =9.5L/100km, 380Nm of torque, pulls 3000Kg
My rough calculations got me the 30mpg and 5000+ towing.
It is pricey there, but all cars are, especially American ones
But it is a fine looking small truck!

Sandman thanks for stating the obvious. I don't think a 3-series is quite that high but that's neither here nor there I'm not buying one anyway. The point, as I thought I made pretty clearly, was that it would be a great engine for a mid or even full size truck (425 lb/ft), that american truck makers should have this size engine available, and that there is no way that mahindra engine only gets 20mpg when 6+ liter diesels get that in a truck that's twice as heavy. 36 mpg in a car should translate to at least 26+ in a mid size truck.

Sorry Hawiian, I thought you were talking about the
Mahindra getting 30 mpg. You guys overseas seemingly
get all the neat vehicles while we Americans are stuck
with whatever will sell with yuppies and soccer mommies.

Ah gotcha! Thanks for the clarification Mike!

The VW small 2.0 diesels have 243lb/ft torque and get 40+ mpg hwy in the Jetta and upcoming Passat. Now they have a 3.0 400 lb/ft torque engine in the Toureg luxury SUV that gets 28+ mpg hwy. The Tacoma base gas is only 180 lb/ft and the v6 is only 266 lb/ft. The little 2.0 VW diesel basically does what the 4.0 v6 does but will get a lot better than the 18 mpg hwy. The ranger engines only have 153 and 238 lb/ft of torque respectively so the VW 2.0 has more torque than both of those engines.

VW should sell those engines to Toyota and Ford private labled so both companies could save face.

BTW the 2.0 VW engine does not require DEF/AdBlue/Urea. It is not an SCR engine. It just uses a particulate filter and catalyst and NOx adsorber to store the soot until it can do a regeneration.

@Ralph- the VW 2.0L TDI is proving to be just adequate in the Amarok, due to its lack of idle torque. Thats why those with experience in the segment use at least a 2.5L or bigger. Also, VW could only meet emissions with an LNT in the A- cars- Golf, Jetta, etc. The Passat, using the same engine uses SCR (and consequently gets better milage).

A previous post noted that "Mahindra makes junk anyway". They have got to be kidding. When it comes to tractors Mahindra most likely makes the best in the world. Mahindra makes tractors the old fashion way - heavy, strong long lasting diesels, rock solid 4x4, and over-engineered heavy duty components. As far as their trucks are concerned, I have not idea. But farmers and excavators know that Mahindra makes tractors that last before the US tractor manufacturers started cheapening their tractors up to cut cost. Mahindra tractors aren't cheap to buy but farmers know they out last the rest and keep working.

Jim,
As an add on to your discussion about how tough Mahindra's tractors are, you might want to note that Mahindra was licensed by Willys to build the original Jeep in India back in the 50s. The Mahindra trucks are essentially a throwback to that original Jeep technology, updated for a country where reliability and heavy-haul capability is far more important that beauty and on-road performance. I would like to see any one of these new Ranger/Colorado/Tacoma/etc. trucks claim a 2500 pound load capacity in both the long-bed two-door and short-bed four-door truck as what the Mahindra claims.

Mahindra's trucks are made for high fuel mileage, but at much slower speeds than they'll be driven in the US. Changing the gear ratios may raise highway fuel mileage, but reduce the cargo capacity as far as actually moving that load.

No, I'm not involved with Mahindra in any way, but I have been watching for this thing and think I want one for some of the hauling I need to do on top of hitting some of the technical off-road trails I know of.

Case, Caterpillar, and John Deere make better equipment.

Mahindra does make good equipment. I have no doubt that this would have been a good truck. For those that wanted Tacoma competition, this was likely a good candidate, at least from a technical point of view. Ugly as hell though.

JUST GET DONE WITH ALL THE STUFF YAL HAVE GOING ON AND GET THE TRUCKS OUT !!!
LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING ONE.
4 DOOR 4X4 WHITE WITH LEATHER AND THE BIGEST TIRES YOU CAN PUT ON IT...
NEED TO GET A BETTER WARRANTY TOGETHER..
10 YR 100,000 MILE ...

Europe gets all the best rig's cause they don't have the EPA to contend with. I would like to see the Toyota Hilux brought to the States but then the EPA would just screw the pooch on it to.

Thank goodness, to a certain extent, that the U.S. has organizations like; C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Economy), C.A.R.B. (California Air Resources Board), and the E.P.A. (Environmental Protection Agency) that care about the air we breathe and our health. Otherwise, any jalopy would be imported here and then we (Americans) would have to breathe through gas masks.

I'll keep driving my american made vw diesel pickup, it gets 40 mpg, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy.

Andy, and you know how much those made in America VW caddies (diesel pickups) are going for on Ebay and everywhere else after 25 years in service, someone should wise up and recreate that great vehicle

I would not be surprised if our wonderful (LOL) EPA is the biggest obstacle in getting a small displacement diesel truck to market from any manufacturer. Lets hope Ford or GM can prevail and get an American small diesel to market before Nissan or Toyota does. My guess is whomever is first will see massive sales.