Research Says Keep Your 4x4 Trucks Away from Older Men

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We found this article and thought it was pretty funny, and a bit silly. No word as to whether the older men were the only one's in their family that would risk braving the elements to do the shopping, get to work, or go out and rescue another friend or family member. Also no word as to whether this research was funded by taxpayer dollars. 

 

Older Men Driving 4x4 Pickups More Likely to Crash In Winter

By Jim Hilkevitch, Chicago Tribune

(as printed in the Salt Lake Tribune)

Dec. 4, 2011

While it may be open to debate whether men or women are generally safer drivers, men over age 45 are much more likely to crash their vehicles on icy and snowy roads, according to a new study.

Those risks, notable as winter approaches, are even greater if the older men are driving four-wheel-drive pickup trucks, Purdue University researcher Fred Mannering found. It could reflect a false sense of safety, he said.

"There may be a sense of invulnerability with four-wheel drive trucks leading the drivers to not slow down as much as they should," Mannering said in an interview. "The reality is that four-wheel drive gets you up to speed faster in snow and ice, but it doesn’t help you stop any quicker."

In addition, men under age 45 are more likely to get into serious accidents on dry roads, perhaps because of overconfidence, the study of single-vehicle accidents involving Indiana drivers indicates.

Female drivers of all ages, meanwhile, lose control and crash on rain-slicked roads most often because of their failure to sense reduced friction on wet pavement, Mannering’s analysis of more than 23,000 police accident reports determined. But the crash rates involving women decline on snow and ice, Mannering said.

"I was somewhat surprised by the findings," said Mannering, who is associate director for research at Purdue’s Center for Road Safety. He was assisted in the study by Abigail Morgan, a doctoral student at the university.

The finding that not all groups of Indiana drivers underestimate the dangers equally as pavement becomes slicker is probably representative of drivers nationwide, he said.

"I expected the serious accident rate for men younger than 45 to be higher across the board in all road conditions," said Mannering, a civil engineering professor who studies the cause and effect of traffic accidents.

"My theory is that women tend to drive at the same speed regardless whether the road is wet or dry, failing to compensate for the reduced friction. But interestingly, women’s crash rates do go down on snow and ice," he said.

Understanding the conditions in which severe accidents are most likely to occur is the key to reducing serious injury and deaths, Mannering said. A public service announcement campaign would help dampen some of the overconfidence that drivers apparently feel, perhaps partly as a result of automobile manufacturers’ advertising about traction-control and other advanced safety systems.

An earlier study conducted by Mannering found that there was no major decline in serious-injury accidents in the 1990s when anti-lock brakes and air bags became standard equipment on vehicles. His hunch was that people drove faster or more easily became distracted, perhaps lulled into feeling safer thanks to the safety technology.

The new study data showed that younger men have a 21 percent higher likelihood of suffering severe injury while driving on dry roads than on wet roads, and a 72 percent higher likelihood on a dry road than on snowy and icy roads.

Men over 45 are 5.5 times more likely to be severely hurt or killed in crashes while driving on snow and ice than on wet surfaces, the study found. Older men driving pickup trucks were 81 percent more likely to be involved in serious accidents on snow and ice than older men driving other types of vehicles, the study said.

Women younger than 45 were nearly three times more likely to get into serious-injury accidents on wet roads than on dry roads, while women over 45 were more than four times more likely, the analysis found.

"The results of this study suggest the need to look more carefully at the process by which drivers assess and react to weather-induced road surface changes," the study concludes.

Comments

Interesting study.
I agree with most of the findings.
I am surprised that women are more likely to crash on wet roads and less likely on winter roads.
I have to agree with the 4x4 crash rates with men driving. Too many idiots in 4x4 vehicles are fooled by the increased accelleration traction provided by 4x4's. I see it all the time.
I prefer 4x2 mode because it forces me to be more cautious.
I would of thought that older drivers would have more experience and be more cautious.
Maybe old crappy drivers who have never had to avoid an accident have convinced themselves that they know how to drive?
I read an interesting comment the other day:
You start out life with a empty bag of experience and a full bag of luck. The secret is to fill the bag full of experience before you empty the bag full of luck.
My dad used to say something similar, but used to say that if you do something really stupid, the odds of getting into trouble might be 1 out of a 100. But you don't know if you will get caught the first time or 99 times later.

How many times have we all heard?I have a Subaru or some type of AWD/4x4 car/truck so snow and ice are no problems. Well we all have to stop sometime, and having power to your front wheels will not help stopping.
Living in Seattle is really fun when we do get some snow and ice, because then the news has tons of video of AWD/4x4's sliding, skiding, and crashing.

While much of the hypothesis in this article seems sound, but it fails to take into account the amount of driving men and women of various age groups do. If you start with everything equal, then adjust for the fact that when men and women travel together, men tend to do more of the driving. Next, ad the classic "stay-home-wife" model, with men driving to work every day, regardless of conditions. Last, if its foul out, its more likely to be me, who has to run out to get something, rather than the wife.
The more driving you do, the more chances you have to mess up. I had a cop lecture me about my speeding tickets once- one every 3 years or so. All I could think was "ee, thats every 100k miles. shame on me". I envy those of you who get by driving 10-15k miles a year.

taxpayers dollars hard at work doing nonsense research

Mrknowitall

from '99 to '08 i drove 50,000 miles a year for my job in construction, and i hate to say it but i averaged a speeding ticket a year, never had any accidents knock on wood

Heheheh, I agree with this article!

Have you seen, oh wait you guys are one of them, how stupid people are when driving?

They DAYDREAM while driving thus less responsive to what lies ahead!

I have my own reasons like missing the apex on simple highway curves. You may laugh at this, but think about it!!!

How many times when your in the right lane on a 2-lane highway and you come up to a smooth and gentle curve heading to the left and the car in the passing lane (no, not the other lane, it's a passing lane morons!) drifts over towards the lane you are in?

I can tell you well over 90% of the time! That is if your PAYING ATTENTION will you notice BAD driving habits like that...

You may think what the heck does that have to do with anything? Well it does!

If you cannot anticipate a simple curve and are late turning into it... your either NOT paying attention, I call it DAYDREAMING or your too SLOW to react!

In BOTH of those I just mentioned, your a RISK to the driving public!

That is during dry/wet weather, now add winter conditions ad you know why their are so many problems with society in winter driving conditions!

Down here it snows so seldomly that the whole city comes to a crawl with the exception of hunters and others with big 4x4's whole actually begin to drive faster. The grocery store sells out of milk, bread and beer at a mere half an inch of accumulation and it is always cause for the best parties you've ever seen. Herds of ATV's decend on the golf courses like buffalo to the watering hole. Good times.

Well, I grew up in Northern MN driving all sorts of vehicles in the snow (Farm tractors, 4-wheelers, dirt bikes, FWD cars, RWD cars, Heavy trucks and tractors, etc.) and I have to admit to driving slightly faster, by comparison, in a 4WD, but overall, I think have slowed down so much (both in snowy and dry conditions) that I'm probably driving much slower now in a 4WD than I was, say in my 20s driving a FWD car. PLUS, I've still got a few good years left in me before I turn 45 and my world apparently ends in a snowy 4WD crash.

The last accident I got into was in a FWD car over 10 years ago. Yeah, I was probably going too fast. I've owned 4WDs exclusively ever since. I drive them slower now.

My WIFE on the other hand seems to ditch it or crash into something or someone every year or so, whether she needs it or not. First snow/slippery roads of this year and she somehow went off the road and augered 30 feet into the ditch. Talka about your women drivers...Maybe she's the exception and not the rule. Hopefully.

This reminds me of a friend I work with that lives out in the country. Last winter we had a snowfall of about 6 inches and he headed into work in his 4WD and came up behind a woman creeping along in her car. He mentally derided her for even having a car out in such conditions as he confidently passed her in his truck. About 3 miles down the road he lost control and wound up in the bottom of a ditch. After getting out and assessing the situation he saw the woman come putting by in her car. Then he realized who the real fool was.

On the ABS and airbags vs injury issue: I read an article a while back where they had done a study and found that going 70 with airbags is as dangerous as going 65 without. Also, people drive to a risk factor more than they do to a speed. Basically, if you make it safer to drive at certain speed people don't enjoy the extra safety, instead they enjoy the freedom to drive faster at the old danger factor.

@Jason H, if it makes you feel any better my wife got a Tahoe a few years back. She hit an ATM machine and a gas pump in the first 3 weeks. We didn't keep it long.

Most people are stupid and they buy a 4x4 and think it handles and stops better than a 2wd vehicle in ice/snow.You get better get off the line traction with a 4x4 !! But stopping is the same with a 2 wd...

I live in an area with a load of hills/mountains and you pretty much need a 4x4 ,front wheel drives cant make the hills here,rear drive cars can with weight in the trunk,lots of sand bags !!

This study should include manual vs auto transmissions!

That right thre should explain many of the accidents in winters...

With a manual, I just get off the throttle with little or no brake input and I slow down and tend to focus on control rather than slowing down...

Quicker response with manual with regards to the throttle...

Autos require more braking input to slow down thus greater chance of losing it as you focus more on slowing down rather than staying in control...

@Walt- Hmmm- ABS and people who still can't understand this simple feature... mostly old codgers. I started driving long before it was widely adopted, but today I feel much more relaxed driving an ABS equipped vehicle. Knowing I can stand on the pedal w/o having to worry about the vehicle breaking out is a big safety bonus.
Traction control and VDC on newer cars/trucks takes this a step further. I'm going to get through my commute of 90 miles one way or another, and probably w/o visiting a ditch or high-fiving a guard rail. To not be a ball of nerves at the other end, is nice.

Oxi doesn't have to pay attention because he's invulnerable with his extra 3000lbs of bumpers and skid plates. Rain, snow, mud, artillery fire, doesn't matter, he's trained to ignore the driving conditions...

@Peter,

Tons of video's of 2wd cars as well !! People video 4wd/awd vehicles more because small minded folk think 4wd/awd will not lose traction/control.

Seattle and my area Vancouver,Canada is worse in snow than colder areas of the country because its right on the freezing/not freezing line when it snows.It is very slippery wet snow,all other areas back east,middle of the country,further north,people crash all over the first few snowfalls because wet snow is slippery,when it gets colder the snow is drier and you get better traction and its not like driving on ice,as in Seattle/here when it snows its like ice (wet snow),doesnt get cold enough for drier snow...well very,very rarely it does as here.Notice if it snows and then clears up the snow is easier to drive on thats about the extent of our dry snow we get,but then the melted snow during the day gets on the roads/hills and freezes creating the skating rink at night,and then its real fun !!

The best rule of thumb I ever heard regarding driving in icy conditions: Only drive as fast as you want to crash.

@oxi,

You can downshift with an automatic !! You dont even touch the brakes,just like a standard transmission !

I can down shift from 50 (thats what I do on the highway in snow/ice but can downshift from any speed when dry dont go faster than 50 in bad weather) then down shift my automatic without any braking. Thats what I do with my trucks/cars old 1960's cars to my new 2011 truck(1960's cars when I drove them in the snow /year long in the 80's).

You dont even touch the brakes downshifting with a automatic,maybe Toyota's are different but Mopar you always could and still can downshift to a crawl without touching the brake pedal.

As for a manual , most automatics out perform manuals today, with the same engine,gear ratio,vehicle.My new 392 Challenger is quicker with the automatic but I bought the 6 speed standard,just so the wife/daughters cant drive it.

I would say more accidents are caused with standard transmission vehicles ,remember most people are not car people and cant even drive in nice weather,so shifting,braking,throttle,steering ice,snow,wet is too much for alot of people.That is why they push for more busses/trains bicycles and the end for oil because they dislike vehicles because they are affraid of them ! That is the only logical reason !

Based on the stupid stuff I have done in the past seven years? True, true, true.

That is why I drive Jeeps. The original 4X4 is unstoppable. Having a 4X4 with a solid-front axle also helps. It makes for better traction with the added weight, more contact pressure, of a heavier solid axle. A solid-front axle also doubles as a mild snow plow. ;-)

Handsome looking pickup in the opening picture, by the way.

Interesting

I love to take my 4x2 out in all conditions, I guess its just the challange I get out of it and what I can really get the truck to do.

It always amazes me how the first snow of the year causes so many accidents, a few weeks back we recieved about 2 inches of snow and there were hundreds of accidents. I am on the local FD and from what I have seen older males may be going in the ditch but kids on phones are the ones killing themselves and others.

I'm not sure how someone can say a standard is better in the winter. I'd chalk that comment up to inexperience with modern automatic transmissions. It used to be a big advantage because one could downshift to help slow down or to use a higher gear and lug the engine to reduce the risk of wheel spin.
I use the tow haul mode button when slowing down in real icy conditions. The truck will downshift with brake applications and hold that gear. Works great. I'll disengage for acceleration because that mode holds the gear and revs to a higher point. Light gas application or lifting slightly from the gas will force an upshift and ginger gas application will lug the truck along on icy roads.

One does have to take into consideration snow conditions. Wet snow falling at around freezing can be the worse snow condition to drive on. it packs down and the moisture puts a wet sheen to it all. In conditions like that, I try to keep a set of tires on the unpacked snow. It will help give you extra traction.
People forget (or never consider) that it is always safer to stay home and miss a day of work. I recall a MVC where an entire family was killed. Why were they out in poor conditions in the first place?

I can't comment on driving in snow but in my area, the few times a year we get rain we get bunches of accidents. Driving on wet stuff is just as foreign to some of us as driving on ice is to others. It doesn't cost anything to slow down but common sense isn't terribly common these days...

@UncleBud - "We didn't keep it long" - the wife or the Tahoe? ;)
My wife has a habit of clipping posts. We had a Dodge Grand Caravan that she scraped both sides on "planters" and clipped a pole at a friend's place. Our car port has 3 pillars. She's rubbed up against one once with her Sienna and twice with my truck. The only saving grace was the running boards of the truck and door handle caught the pillar before any body damage. (and she wonders why I am reluctant to hand over the keys).

Very interesting story, but I really hope that we didn't have to pay for it.

Chicks brake late as it is and tires grip deceivingly well on wet pavement up to a certain point. They don't understand that friction is grip.

the best way to avoid a crash would be to not drive an F-series Ford. They just suck, kind of like Franks personality.

@kansas Bob,

Still butt-hurt hey bobbie, please keep doing what you do best.

@Lou,

I couldn't help myself. However, I will refrain myself from this dolt in the future. I like messing with her!

@ frankie

i will keep speaking the truth. that is what i do best. you spew bs in here constantly. did you log on facebook and get your i love ford badge yet?

You contribute absolutely nothing to site.

I agree. this bob person is a total loser

thanks for the compliments guys....please know that i feel the same about you don't forget about getting your facebook ford badges. wear them with pride! :)

@Frank - i wonder why it is only the fanboi's from the "other camp" that are trying to stir things up?
The Ford and Dodge guys have been good at refraining from dumb assed trolling.
It is pathetic that trolling is occuring on a thread that has nothing to do with any specific truck brand.

Just look at it from the point of view - the dumbassed trolls are hurting their own brand image, not the brands they troll.

@Lou,

Kudos!

frank you don't contribute squat to this site. the only thing that you can get your hands to type are lame one liners like this:

cool truck....great job Ford! ford is the best....bob is an idiot

Ford should have paid you to do their lame and hypocritical anti-bailout commercial. It is hilarious how they try to make those morons look like actual ford customers being dragged into a press conference. Ford Loses AGAIN with their lame commercials.

Bob, seriously f@ck off. Find a new hobby.

@lou, please don't associate this moron with the rest of us gm fans, I hate him just as much as you. He doesn't represent me or gm, just ignore him, can't you tell he's just a bored teenager with nothing else to do? You can just tell from the way he writes

@justin,

I agree. I do like GM, but this person is just awful.

That's why I love my Ramcharger. Enough weight in the back end to make it through light stuff in 2 Hi, drop it into 4 Hi when it gets to the diffs, and in 4 Lo, I've plowed through snow up to my headlights. Still, an extra driveshaft is only worth so much. I'll never forget when I was 18 driving home in about 3 inches of snow. Took a curve a little too fast, and couldn't see the ice under the snow. Spun 2 360s down the center of the road before I got it reigned in and kept driving. I'd like to call it skill, but I was just a teenager. It was nothing but pure, dumb luck that I didn't get killed that night.

frank,
so you like GM now? why the sudden change of heart?

I've read enough real research articles to know that the authors of these can make the numbers say pretty much what ever they want them to say....

It's no wonder GM is considering dumping trucks with fans like Bob.

DON'T..... FEED...... THE...... TROLL!!!!

This is coming from a guy who drives a 3/4 ton Yukon XL, which replaced a Z71 Suburban, which replaced a 3/4 ton Duramax, which replaced a 4 door Tahoe, which replaced a 2 door tahoe. Never had a Ford or Dodge.... ever, but BOB, YOU ARE MAKING ME RECONSIDER!!!!

@Lou, well of course I meant the Tahoe. But if it were my wife I were talking about, the "WE" in "WE didn't keep it long" would clearly have been me and my labrador. He understands.

Lou, I agree with your comments. Many of my friends tell me that as soon as we get snow they drive on 4x4 all day. That is the worse thing you can do. For those of you out there with this tendency, please take a look at this article from 4x4abc

"ABS does not work with part time 4WD systems

ABS works as designed as long as a part time 4WD vehicle stays in 2WD mode. In 2WD all 4 wheels are able to rotate at different speeds (made possible by the differentials) and more importantly in 2WD both axles are allowed to turn at different speeds because the drive shafts feeding power to the axles are not connected.
As soon as you shift into part time 4WD (find out which kind of 4WD you have) the two drive shafts become connected inside the transfer case and both axles would be forced to turn at the same speed. More importantly, when stopping both axles will be slowed down at the same rate (any brake proportioning will be out of force) and the ABS system would get confused. After all, the ABS's job is to detect variations in wheel speeds and act accordingly. ABS will not function properly on part time 4WD systems!

Because part time 4WD and ABS do not mix, most manufacturers offered only rear wheel ABS on these vehicles since the rear axle needs ABS the most, due to the tendency to lock up first.

Some manufacturers saved the money and did not offer ABS at all on part time 4WD. On some vehicles a warning will flash that ABS is not working properly when in part time 4WD (Mercedes G500) - others offer no warning and the familiar pulsating of the brake pedal indicates that ABS is working . Well, its not."

@Frank - trolls like being butt hurt. Try it. You will never go back.

@Justin - sorry. I know that not all GM fans are idiots like Bob.

@Unclebud - funny but true. I never knew the meaning of a dog is a man's best friend until I got a a black lab and a wife around the same time ;)

@MMP - I haven't noticed any difference in how the ABS and traction contol works in 4x4 or 4x2 (2010 F150). If I go into 4 lo it does disengage all of the nannies. I like to drive in such a way that I do not activate the nannies. Having the rear of the truck get a little loose is a great reminder to slow down. One thing I've found with the 6.5 box SuperCrew is that being such a long truck, it takes really stupid driving to get out of shape. I put a "dry box" in the back and load it up with my "offroading" gear. It adds a decent amount of weight for the winter. My stock GoodYear Wrangler SRA's are decent in the winter on snow and ice. The only place the SRA's are crappy is in mud.

MMP-

Thanks for the information. That is interesting.

We have no government to uphold truth is advertising/labeling.

Most pickup trucks sold as 'four wheel drive' are NOT four wheel drive. They are off-road drive, their drivetrain is not to be be used on pavement.
They lack a center differential, and when in off-road drive, the ABS is either seriously curtailed, or disabled outright.

So if an old person is driving in off-road drive in the snow, they have an unstable vehicle, yet is provides good forward mobility.
It is only logical that they are the first ones to crash/get stuck.



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