2013 Detroit Auto Show Preview

Detroit Cobo Hall II

We're headed to Detroit again for the 2013 North American International Auto Show, which is once again held inside Cobo Center in the heart of downtown. So far, the biggest news to come out of the show will be a first look at the all-new C7 Corvette and possibly a few other surprises, according to our compatriots at Cars.com. 

GENERAL MOTORS

Of course, the biggest thing on our radar is that this will be the first public showing of the all-new 2014 Chevy Silverado 1500 and 2014 GMC Sierra 1500. We still don't have the exact horsepower and torque outputs of the three new EcoTec3 engines, nor do we have any hint of what the eventual fuel-economy numbers will be. That all comes later. We are anxious to get some time with the chief engineer of the two trucks again and ask a few follow-up questions that we missed when we recorded our four-part video interview with him at the mid-December debut. And we're also hoping to get some hints at the new towing and payload ratings. 

FORD MOTOR COMPANY

There have been quite a few rumors about the possibility of Ford trying to steal some of GM's thunder at the show with a secret reveal of the 2015 F-150 concept, which is reported to be loaded with weight-saving aluminum, magnesium and carbon fiber. So far, we've heard no confirmations of any such vehicle, but Ford is sponsoring an off-site "Truck Lounge" for select media types so we may be hearing more. 

TOYOTA AND NISSAN

Toyota is not scheduled to show anything new at the Detroit auto show, but there seems to be plenty of chatter on various fan websites that something new for either the Tacoma or Tundra (possibly both) should be coming very soon. All we know is now that the GM twins (we'll call them fraternal) are out, the Tundra is the oldest truck out there and well-past-due for a refresh, if not a full redesign. Nissan's trucks need some attention, too, if not more so. We're told the Tundra that towed the Space Shuttle Endeavour will also be on site, just like it was at the 2012 Los Angeles Auto Show. We also expect to see two all-new displays from both Toyota and Nissan this year. 

RAM TRUCKS

We fully expect Rams will be all over the floor space at Cobo Center, especially since Ram truck is the only truckmaker to have both its light- and heavy-duty offerings fully refreshed (if not majorly redesigned) for the 2013 sales season. The new Ram 1500 seems quite popular with the media lately, and the Ram HDs are making big news with their impressive towing and gross combined weight numbers.  

You can bet we'll be poking around Honda, Nissan and elsewhere to find out as much as we can about pickup truck changes and the technology that surrounds them. Look for our reports from the show to start early next week. 

 

Comments

the honda ridgeline should be going out of production soon, right? i have heard nissan and toyota are supposed to have new 1/2 tons emerging for 2014 (either 2013 as 2014s or 2014 as 2015s). by the time the 2015 models come out in 2014 all 5 1/2 tons should have been updated (hopefully). the sales chart that comes out every month should be down to 10 trucks by 2014 since the ridgeline, escalade ext, avalanche, ranger, dakota and equator are leaving.

@Mark Williams- the Tundra might harken back to 2007, but the Titan rolled out 4 years before that. From what I recall, it remains all but unchanged in its 10 years.

I still have my fingers crossed that Toyoa will give the the Trucks direct injection for the 2014 MY. Because of Toyota's model year timing, we wont have confirmation for that before the next LA show.

@Mr Knowitall
I am with you 100% but I do not think it will happen.

Interesting times - these are some of the questions I'd like answered:
Ask Ram Engineers the significance of a "suspension overheat" warning light. That was mentioned by 4 Wheeler magazine when they tested the Ram versus the Tacoma.
Tow/haul and mpg specs on the 2013 Ram 1500's.

GMC - Tow/Haul specs, engine specs, mpg specs on the new 1500's.
- What will Isuzu be building in partnership with GMC ?

Ford - guys keep mentioning the Intercooler "problem" with the EB 3.5, is it a problem or just fanboi hyperbole?
- Will they show a prototype or concept truck to rattle GM's cage?
- Will the 3.7 V6 be replaced by a little Ecoboost engine?

Toyota - when will they update the Tundra?
- When will they build a Tacoma that is at least on par with the new global trucks.
- ABAT trucklet as a Scion?

VW - will the Amarok show up in the USA or Canada? A rumour of a Canadian one keeps popping up.

Nissan - I give up, have they?

Ridgeline - stick a fork in it, its done or is it?

Jeep - will they do something other than concept vehicles?

3.7 will be replaced by two new engines and the lil' EB will have the same horsepower of the 5.4 and nearly the same torque.

http://www.f150online.com/forums/2015-f-150-concept/481019-breaking-news-next-gen-2015-f-150-shown-detroit-auto-show-january-4.html

@Lou
* Maybe the HiluxTaco/Tundra will be a single global model.

* Nissan is right now in partnership with Mitsubishi on a global pickup. Maybe the Titan, which is base on a Navara/Frontier platform will become a single global model.

* This new GM/Izuzu partnership is going to be the new "Global" pickup that will encapsulate the NA market in a decade when the Colorado/Dmax and GMC/Silverado expire.

Maybe the unification of US and global trucks is closer than anyone of us suspects. Maybe you guys are seeing the last of the 1/2 ton pickups as you know them.

* Chrysler/Jeep are reknown for their over delivery of concept vehicles.

Baby EB has more power than the 04-08 5.4 F150.

@ Mr. Knowitall

i'm not sure when the LA Auto show is but the 2014 Tundra will be uncovered by this summer for sure. If nothing strange happens we should see them by end of summer into fall.

Spy shot of the 2015 Tacoma Ecotech.
http://tinyurl.com/2015Tacoma

So from what I gathered from various sources about the 2015 F150:

No more 3.7L or 6.2L for the F150.

3.5L V6 ~280hp/250ft lbs
2.7L V6 ~320hp/375ft lbs (ecoboost)
5.0L V8 unknown hp/tq
3.5L V6 (ecoboost) unknown hp/tq

If I had to guess, both the 3.5L eco and 5.0L will see a healthy HP/TQ boost as well. Especially the 5.0L since it's getting direct injection.

It's also rumored the 2.7L will find a home under the Mustang's hood as well, along with a new 2.3L I4 ecoboost.


Ask if there is a new Duramax in the works for HD trucks.

@Big Al from Oz
"Nissan is right now in partnership with Mitsubishi on a global pickup. Maybe the Titan, which is base on a Navara/Frontier platform will become a single global model."

A case of past tense. Latest I have heard they are split and doing their own thing.

Cold day in hell when I trade my 2010 5.4 equiped F150 for a 2.7 litre V6. Maybe if Ford put a turbo and DI on the 5.0.

This link says the 2.3Litre I-4 Ecoboost is the most likely candidate for the Mustang. They think a V6 will no longer be in the Mustang.
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2012/06/18/ford-to-drop-v6-engine-option-for-2015-mustang/
This link also favours the 2.3 litre I-4
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1076979_new-ford-focus-rs-to-share-ecoboost-engine-with-2015-mustang
This link mentions the 2.3 as well. Is this the next gen Mustang?
The over 50 croud will sh-t themselves and hate it if it is!
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=893356

If Ford ditchs the 6.2 they can shrink the snout and tighten up the engine bay saving space and weight.
I had surmised that the 5.0 would stay, the EB 3.5 would stay, and the 2.3 litre I-4 would be the bottom engine. If Ford puts DI and turbo's on the 5.0, the pecking order would be:
2.3 EB
3.5 EB
5.0 EB
If they do not turbo the 5.0 we will see:
2.3 EB
5.0 NA
3.5 EB
A smaller lighter turbo engine would be better for the Raptor. A truck marketed as a jumper will fare much better without dead weight in the nose.

I would not search North American sites for news. Ford has already shown favouritism for European designs. Look at what is currently in Europe. That is more likely to show what we will get here.
Remember "One Ford" .
The F150 and Mustang are the only USA designs left. The Mustang will no longer be the retro pony car. All the pics I've seen show an Aston Martin favoured look. More Euro-designs.
Will the F150 morph into the Global Ranger?
The Ford hate crew will have a field day if the F150 and Mustang become European designed.
Is nothing sacred..........
Not when money and profits are concerned.

Toyota will be unveiling the all new 2015 Tacoma "Rump Shaker" edition in Detroit.

It will have Inverted Deaver Springs out the rear end and a ship's prow on the front end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKKONgfNONU

@Lou
Isn't Ford having trouble with the Mustang in Europe? Ford wanted to release the Mustang in Europe.

A turbo 2.3 would work for Euro sales. Our Falcon in Australia has a 2.0 litre Ecoboost. This engine could be an alternative engine.

I don't know the similarity between the Mustang platform and the Falcon platform.

The Tacoma rumors and spy shots are fake posts by Lou.

Lou is a jealous hater.

@Big Al from Oz - I was reading about the "Evo" that is supposed to incorporate design clues for the next Mustang. Ford says they plan on selling the Mustang globally. They are finally going to an IFS rear end. Brembo brakes are also supposed to be the performance choice. The Boss 302 was aimed at the BMW M3 and they matched it with the solid axle rear. The 5.8 litre Shelby Mustang engine is allegedly too tall for the next Mustang engine bay. The Evo would sell in Europe but the "old school" USA types would hate it. They also would hate the demise of the solid axle rear. If the Mustang were to sell in Europe, it needs to shed its image as a USA car that does not know how to stop or turn. Build quality, and interior build quality would need to be a quantum leap ahead of anything offered from this side of the pond. Most European journalists have issues with our big displacement engines with poor horsepower ratings. 450 hp out of the 5.0 is impressive by our standards but not European performance standards.

It’s a great idea to market the Mustang worldwide, but it would be a mistake to pander to those cultures for its styling or technology. The Mustang has an allure outside the States because it is distinctly American. Diluting that personality could make it less compelling to everyone.

I remember it well when in the 1980’s Mustang owners staged a literal revolt against the company when plans were revealed to replace it with the very modern front-wheel-drive Probe. Succumbing to the will of its customers, Ford chose to keep the Mustang and sell the two cars side by side. Eight years later the Probe was dead.

Ideally, fusing the brawn of American muscle with the refinement of a European sports car could result in an incredible car. However, the strength of the Mustang is that it offers stylish performance in an affordable package. Taking the car too far upmarket could disenfranchise its core fan base.

GUTS
GLORY
impressive towing and gross combined weight numbers.
RAM!!!!!!!

I bet Lou has a tiny schmeckle!

@Lou
I do think a taut independent suspension and a turbo 4 would be great, even AWD. Use as much alloy and compostie material as possible.

Imagine a tweaked diesel Mustang! The purist would love that:) $hit if it sells build it!

A smaller and tweaked V6 Eco Boost would be winner against the M3.

Let the technology flow and dispose of the neolithic cast iron age US technology:) That's how the Germans and Japanese made money.

In Australia we have a 5 cylinder AWD Focus called a XR5. The drive train could be adapted into the Mustang.

@Steve
Yes, the Model T is great, but the world changes. People like you are the reason the US is now heavily dependent on importing technology to manufacture vehicles.

And you are probably the first to whine because the US is broke.

The Mustang has the allure because it is American.

@Big Al, the Focus ST with 2.0 I-4 EcoBoost replaces the Volvo-powered XR5. The Mustang is supposed to get a larger 2.3L version.

You are like a broken record. The problem is idiots like you that criticize and nitpick everything American.

But I agree, let's do everything the Europeans do - they know best....

Honda cuts 800 jobs at Swindon as European car sales slump

"It's entirely the car market," said Honda Europe's executive vice-president Ken Keir, who said demand in the European car market shrank by 1m last year.

"We're not anticipating in mainland Europe any particular growth in the next three or four years," Keir told the BBC.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jan/11/honda-cuts-800-jobs-swindon

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UK: Western European car sales fell by 16.2% in December; off 8% for the year

By Dave Leggett | 8 January 2013


Car sales in Western Europe fell by 16.2% in the month of December to leave sales for the full-year down 8.2% (at 11.76m units) as economic problems across the continent continued to depress new car demand.

Data issued by LMC Automotive showed that the Seasonally Adjusted Annualised Rate (SAAR) of sales for December stood at just 11.7m units a year.

In Germany, one of the brighter spots on the European economic front, December brought a car market year-on-year decline of 16.4% (full year down 2.9%), suggesting weak prospects ahead for the German car market.

Further bad news came in from other markets too. In France, sales fell back 13.9% for the year. Italy finished off the year with a market of just 1.4m units, over 1m units down on 2007's level. While the Spanish market has been given a lift with the PIVE scrappage incentive, it has failed to translate into any real boost in the selling rate — that market down to just 700,000 units for the full year.

The UK went against the trend, with the car market comfortably up for the full year at a little over 2m units, the 2012 result being the highest since 2008.

LMC forecasts that the West European car market will contract by around 3% to 11.4m units in 2013.
http://www.just-auto.com/news/western-europe-car-sales-fell-by-162-in-december-off-8-for-the-year_id130422.aspx

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European Union car sales fell to a 19-year low

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-14/european-november-car-sales-fall-as-germany-hurts-peugeot.html

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In Reversal, Fiat Leans on ChryslerU.S. Auto Maker's Profit Keeps European Market Losses From Swamping Net at Italian Parent

The European market is now headed to its fifth year-over-year decline, while in Italy we are reaching levels we haven't seen since the 1970s

His comments Tuesday, on a day that it became clear that Chrysler has replaced Fiat as the pair's financial engine, showed how quickly the two had changed places

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444226904577560953959723484.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444226904577560953959723484.html

@Big Al from Oz and @lou,
"The Global Mustang" concept was shown to European Ford Executives and dealers, they all said a smaller car with a turbo engine would sell better. Mullaly said no, that is what he wants. I would say the "Global Mustang" is dead.

Did you know,over 20 States are going to put a mileage tax,every mile you drive you pay money !

Plus the same old gas tax..

All because they say cars/trucks are getting better gas mileage,and the State isnt making enough money..

So for you guys hell bent on mpg,you will pay more down the road because $1 per mile is coming soon (sure it wont be that high at first wait 5 years it will be people said no way we will have $4 gas) Plus $5 per gallon gas,hey you voted for environmentalists for Pres..Your local government so you asked for it,sure your truck will get 40 mpg but add a $1 plus pay per mile,$19 a gallon gas..You will find out and you will be crying for the good old days with $4 a gallon gas and 15 mpg !

Obama is on record for saying he wants to SKYROCKET Electricity prices,add that with high fuel costs,pay per mile..Auto sales will drop to nothing ! As you will neeed every dollar just to drive your 80 mile round trip commute !

I cringe at the future,the future is bleak....Road mileage tax,high gas prices,small engines that require more maint.. due small displacement needing turbo's to prop the power up equals long term unreliability and more problems..Best engines are bigger with no turbo or supercharger just natural power !

@Alex
No, the Focus is getting the 2.3 Eco Boost as well in the RS version. Looks like one gutsy engine 330-340hp and it was developed in Europe.

The 2.3 Eco Boost is a "reworked" 2.0 Eco Boost.

http://performancedrive.com.au/2014-ford-focus-rs-getting-257kw-and-active-lsd-report/

@Steve
The information you have given is economic and financial and has no bearing on engineering. Yes Europe is broke like the US and Japan.

American cars do have a cult following outside of the US, but a cult following is the correct term.

American vehicles are largely overlooked because of poor build quality and performance ie, handling, engine performance, fuel economy etc.

@Dogde Ram SRT
Someone has to pay for the roads. There is no such thing as a "road fairey".

You guys have that much debt even before fixing your roads you owe the world heaps.

NEWS FLASH!! FORD HAS ALREADY HAD A 2.3L 4 BANGER TURBO IN THE MUSTANG IN 1984.

The 1980s were an interesting time for Ford. With Japanese vehicles increasing in popularity, Ford’s goal was to create engines that were smaller, yet more powerful in design. Enter Ford’s Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) team. Founded in 1981, the SVO team was formed to assist Ford with its motorsports programs and to create cutting-edge technology that would be highlighted in special-edition Mustangs. The team’s first production Mustang was the 1984 SVO hatchback. The car, a modified Turbo GT, was a mid-year release, making its way to dealerships in April of 1984.
Turbo Performance

This 4-cylinder turbo SVO Mustang, which weighed in at 2,881 lbs., was powered by a 2.3L turbocharged fuel-injected engine
http://mustangs.about.com/od/modelyearprofiles/a/1984-svo-profil.htm

@Steve
US car sales in 2013 are expected to reach a possible 15.1 million down from over 17 million in 2007.

So, what shape is the US in, yes car sales are improving, but its a far cry from 2007.

No, I'm not US bashing, economically the US is the cleanest of the dirty laundry. It doesn't make it much better.


GUTS
GLORY
NO RECALLS
2003 RAM!

Posted by: Lou | Jan 11, 2013 11:13:51 PM

The new Ram 1500 seems quite popular with the media lately,

Is RAM Showing Off A Fiat-Based RAM VAN At Midnight?

This morning, Dodge released towing and weight ratings for the 2013 Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks. The Ram 3500 Heavy Duty pickup is rated at up to 30,000 pounds of trailer capacity, blowing by Ford, GMC, and Chevrolet; its closest competitor’s maximum tow capacity is 23,100 pounds. The Ram 3500’s capacity increase was enabled by a new 50,000 pounds-per-square-inch, high-strength steel frame, a stronger transfer case, a higher-load transmission (Aisin AS69RC), larger front drive shafts and U-joints, an upgraded 6.7-liter Cummins Turbo Diesel engine with a best-in-class 850 lb.-ft. of torque, and other upgrades. "We built the new 2013 Ram Heavy Duty to be the undisputed Heavy Duty 'King of the Road.' These new rigs deliver on the number one key attribute most critical to these customers: uncompromising capability,” said Fred Diaz, President and CEO — Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC.

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CGLLC Press Release said:

Ram to Build Most Capable Trucks Ever■Ram 3500 Heavy Duty’s maximum trailer weight of 30,000 pounds far surpasses closest competitor’s 23,100-pound max
■850 lb.-ft. Cummins Turbo Diesel is tops for torque
■37,600-pound Gross Combined Weight Rating leads all heavy-duty pickups
■Ram 2500 leads all ¾-ton pickups
■Ram Chassis Cab trucks also deliver best-in-class towing
January 9, 2013 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - In the quest to build the most capable trucks available, Ram officially released class-leading towing and weight ratings for its 2013 line of Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks.

The Ram 3500 Heavy Duty pickup will claim a 30,000-pound trailer capacity thanks to a new class-exclusive 50,000 pounds-per-square-inch, high-strength steel frame, improved transfer case, higher-load transmission, an upgraded 6.7-liter Cummins Turbo Diesel engine with a best-in-class 850 lb.-ft. of torque and other significant driveline upgrades.

Ram’s closest competitor is limited to a 23,100-pound maximum trailer.

"We built the new 2013 Ram Heavy Duty to be the undisputed Heavy Duty 'King of the Road.' These new rigs deliver on the number one key attribute most critical to these customers: uncompromising capability,” said Fred Diaz, President and CEO — Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC. “Towing capability, reliability and engine performance are ranked first through third, respectively, with HD customers. The 2013 Ram Heavy Duty trucks unequivocally deliver all those things, as well as a very low total cost of ownership.”

The Ram 3500’s Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) -- which is defined by the maximum combined weight of the truck, payload and trailer -- has been raised to 37,600 pounds, which again far surpasses the closest competitor’s 30,500-pound GCWR.

Ram has increased the capability in its other truck models as well.

For 2013, the Ram 2500 will also benefit from increased towing and GCWR. At 18,350 and 25,000, Ram 2500’s towing and GCW ratings are also best among ¾-ton pickups.

Ram Chassis Cab trucks also deliver maximum capability with best-in-class towing and GCWR figures 29,600 pounds and 37,500 pounds, respectively (5500 model).

Ram Heavy Duty adds a number of new features for 2013, including a factory-integrated fifth-wheel and gooseneck hitch mount, a 17,000-pound Class V hitch with 1,800 pounds of tongue weight, class-exclusive electronic stability control (ESC) for dual-rear-wheels and a new Center High-Mounted Stop Light (CHMSL) –positioned camera, the first of its kind in the heavy-duty pickup category, to provide a full view of the bed for easier hook-up of fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailers as well as monitoring cargo.

For 2013, all Ram Heavy Duty diesels benefit from an all-new cooling system. A high-efficiency fan, dual radiators, dual transmission coolers and low-slung charge air cooler afford 25 percent more heat-rejection capacity. Lower operating temperatures deliver improved performance, durability and lower operating costs. Cummins Turbo Diesel-equipped Ram trucks also provide best-in-class 15,000-mile oil change intervals.

Ram is also introducing an industry-exclusive Ram Active Air intake system. When the intake system senses extreme heat, it draws cooler air from the front of the vehicle – a function that also engages at high altitudes for superior throttle response in low oxygen environments. When conditions are wet from snow, ice or water-fording, the system pulls air from an under-hood inlet, clear from snow packing and water.

Also among the upgrades for 2013, Ram Heavy Duty front drive shafts and U-joints are sized larger to align with the truck’s new Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) and Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR).

To handle the best-in-class towing capability of the new Ram Heavy Duty, a new front and rear suspension system with advanced geometry builds upon the chassis improvements and greatly improves overall roll stiffness. An advanced three-link front suspension on the Ram 3500 is necessary for the vehicle’s higher GVWR and for use with heavy front loads, including snow plows. Additionally, a newly designed Hotchkiss leaf spring rear suspension on the Ram 3500 offers improved ride and handling while delivering higher towing and payload capability.

Ram HD blows past Ford tow ratings, capacity

Posted on January 9th, 2013 • by David Zatz



This morning, Dodge released towing and weight ratings for the 2013 Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks. The Ram 3500 Heavy Duty pickup is rated at up to 30,000 pounds of trailer capacity, blowing by Ford, GMC, and Chevrolet; its closest competitor’s maximum tow capacity is 23,100 pounds.

The Ram 3500’s capacity increase was enabled by a new 50,000 pounds-per-square-inch, high-strength steel frame, a stronger transfer case, a higher-load transmission (Aisin AS69RC), larger front drive shafts and U-joints, an upgraded 6.7-liter Cummins Turbo Diesel engine with a best-in-class 850 lb.-ft. of torque, and other upgrades.

“We built the new 2013 Ram Heavy Duty to be the undisputed Heavy Duty ‘King of the Road.’ These new rigs deliver on the number one key attribute most critical to these customers: uncompromising capability,” said Fred Diaz, President and CEO — Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC. “Towing capability, reliability and engine performance are ranked first through third, respectively, with HD customers. The 2013 Ram Heavy Duty trucks unequivocally deliver all those things, as well as a very low total cost of ownership.”


The Ram 3500’s Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) — the maximum combined weight of the truck, payload and trailer — has been raised to 37,600 pounds, which far surpasses the closest competitor’s 30,500-pound GCWR.

The 2013 Ram 2500 also saw towing and combined weight rating boosts; at 18,350 and 25,000, Ram 2500’s towing and GCW ratings are also best among ¾-ton pickups.

Ram Chassis Cab trucks also deliver maximum capability with best-in-class towing and GCWR figures 29,600 pounds and 37,500 pounds, respectively, in the top-end Ram 5500.

Ram Heavy Duty added a number of new features for 2013, including a factory-integrated fifth-wheel and gooseneck hitch mount, a 17,000-pound Class V hitch with 1,800 pounds of tongue weight, class-exclusive electronic stability control (ESC) for dual-rear-wheels, and a new Center High-Mounted Stop Light (CHMSL) –positioned camera, the first of its kind in the heavy-duty pickup category, to provide a full view of the bed for easier hook-up of fifth-wheel or gooseneck trailers as well as monitoring cargo.

For 2013, all Ram Heavy Duty diesels have a new cooling system whose high-efficiency fan, dual radiators, dual transmission coolers, and low-slung charge air cooler provide 25% more heat-rejection capacity. Lower operating temperatures deliver improved performance, durability and lower operating costs. Cummins Turbo Diesel-equipped Ram trucks also provide best-in-class 15,000-mile oil change intervals.


The exclusive Ram Active Air intake system draws cooler air from the front of the vehicle when it senses extreme heat; it also engages at high altitudes for superior throttle response in low oxygen environments. When conditions are wet, the system pulls air from an under-hood inlet, clear from snow packing and water.

A new front and rear suspension system with advanced geometry builds upon the chassis improvements and greatly improves overall roll stiffness. An advanced three-link front suspension on the Ram 3500 is necessary for the vehicle’s higher GVWR and for use with heavy front loads, including snow plows. A newly designed Hotchkiss leaf spring rear suspension on the Ram 3500 offers improved ride and handling while delivering higher towing and payload capability.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2013/01/ram-hd-blows-past-ford-tow-ratings

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RAM TRUCKS

We fully expect Rams will be all over the floor space at Cobo Center, especially since Ram truck is the only truckmaker to have both its light- and heavy-duty offerings fully refreshed (if not majorly redesigned) for the 2013 sales season. The new Ram 1500 seems quite popular with the media lately, and the Ram HDs are making big news with their impressive towing and gross combined weight numbers.

PUTC Ram posters fit this:

Cult: relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

This sums them up to a T.

Need to find out when Ford is coming out with the Hydraulic Hybrid F-150 that supposidly gets over 50 MPG that we've been hearing about for years.

@Robert Ryan, @Lou, and @Steve--If Ford decides to eventually go with the global Mustang it will be interesting to see how it goes over in the US. The prototypes do look like an Aston Martin, and I am sure that it is a very capable car, but I do have doubts as to how it will go over in the US. Camaro is outselling Mustang and Mustang's numbers are down, but this might not be the fix the Mustang needs. Anyway the Mustang is still selling in large numbers and is profitable. The Global Ford strategy might not work on the Mustang even though it is a nice looking car.

Americans like the retro look of the 69 Mustang, 69 Camaro, and 70 1/2 Challenger. Ford needs to study the history of the New Coke. The Global Mustang could suffer from the same fate as the New Coke and the Edsel Ford which in all honesty were not bad products but both alienated their loyal customers and were not well received. A more recent example of a failing strategy and product is JC Penney or now called "JCP" which has driven off most of their loyal customers and has not attracted the younger generations. Sometimes what appears to work on paper does not work in the real world.

Al, you "bash USA in nearly every post, whether you know it or not. It's normally caused by envy. If we are broke maybe we should be charging Australia for protection. It takes about 2 seconds to look at a map and see you are sitting ducks in the middle of the ocean. Not only are you unprepared to defend yourselves, you're grooming a potential enemy(who has killed millions of its own people)to become dependent on some of your few natural resources, while becoming dependent yourselves on oil from them. I say we build defense around the US and screw the rest of the world. It's now known we can be energy independent and don't need to feed the world. Let all the bashers and haters live like we don't exist.

For the F-150, in addition to the previously mentioned engine improvements coming in 2014, we'll see:
-Heated Steering wheel
-Extensive use of Aluminum
-multi contour seats like the SHO/MKS
-360 degree camera
-Active park assist
-LED box lighting
-tailgate dampener
-box with storage for ramps
-remote unlocking tailgate
-LED headlamps
-Active grille shutters
-stop start technology

@Big Al from Oz: You mentioned Jeep's penchant for "overproducing concept vehicles" and while I do have to agree with you, that statement ignores the new CEO's interest in a Jeep truck as well as Jeep's own significant increase in sales--setting a world-wide sales record this year.

Yes, I am fully aware that the CEO of the RAM division is adamantly opposed to any Jeep-branded truck because realistically Jeep would cannibalize sales from RAM. However, being a Jeep truck it would probably also pull sales from GM, Ford and everybody else, making more money for Chrysler as a whole. And, since the look of the Jeep Wrangler is so iconic, a Jeep-branded truck would be a global truck almost automatically if it at least carries some of the Wrangler's styling.

Personally, I thought if Chrysler could get together with Mahindra, they could re-unite the modern Jeep with it's direct cousin and have a head start in production.

suspension over heating? in a truck? lets think about this for a min. Ok, you have a new Ram with the air/susp. and from what I have read, when you come to a stop, it auto/lowers, and it has a few diff. settings, from park/load to off road 1,2? and high speed auto lower, now lets think about when they tested said truck, they started in what O/R 1 or 2? or from park? and they take off and run around all kinds of terrain, and in doing so, the susp. has to auto change from low speed to O/R 1or2 to high speed autolow all in the same few minutes? and this cycle keeps on going on for quite a few times, while the truck goes from 5mph to 50+, and as the test driver beats the he[] out of said truck, now I would think with all those auto settings cycling through the diff. hights, that maybe, just maybe, it is the fact that the air compressor has been so busy, in keeping up with the fast cycles on an off road test, that the electric motor that drives the said compressor builds up enough heat to trow out an over heat alert? does that seem logical? it does to me, and if you were to own said Ram with the air/susp. it would seem to me, that IF that was the case, you couold put the susp. in one type of setting or another, so the costant auto cycle would not have to be an isue? just my .02 worth.

@JeffS: History has already proven you wrong about the Mustang--at least to some extent. Yes, the original Mustang had a very iconic appearance, but that did it no good when the Mustang II came out in the '70s--losing sales considerably even though it rested on a more capable platform (albeit underpowered.) The third-generation Mustang saw increased sales and for almost 20 years looked nothing like the original while also out-selling the other American muscle cars to the point that even GM gave up on the Camaro for several years.

All the '05 Mustang did was bring in a retro look to re-inspire their aging former Mustang owners into wanting a new one. I'll admit I wanted one too--until owner reports started complaining about the quality of the car. I ended up buying a Jeep instead about 2 years later. While I admit I still like the look of the original Mustang, it's time to move on.

JCPenney is a completely different story. They were dying long before they changed their branding, which is why they hired the retail sales exec from Apple to re-brand them. What JCP didn't and doesn't understand is that they simply can't change their stores enough to succeed with Apple's style of marketing, which consequently was based more on The Gap's system than the typical electronics store. For a department store, that simply will not work.

Ok, I have no idea what just happened to generate a triple-posting of that last comment. Believe me, it was NOT intentional.

@sandman 4x4: I believe you misunderstand how that air-ride system is supposed to work; the truck would not drop into Park/Load every time it stops. Even the idea is illogical when you consider that you have to manually select the ride height for the conditions you're going to drive. The only time the truck would drop into P/L is when you select Park on the gearshift and/or shut off the engine.

However, that doesn't mean it won't be active when driving over rough terrain. Those air bags are supposed to effectively replace metal springs which means they will be extremely busy expanding and contracting. If you remember anything about air shocks, you know that they need an air pump built into the vehicle to charge them and any kind of air pump gets hot with extended use. Even the pumps used for airing tires get extremely hot to the touch after filling a single tire unless they're connected to a decent-sized reservoir--which you're simply not going to see in the typical vehicle-mounted system.

However, I would also expect that this system isn't designed for use as a 4x4 'toy'. Air bags are designed to offer smoother load-carrying ride to reduce vibration and shock damage to the cargo. Air bags have been used for years--more than 2 decades now--on OTR trucks and Classes A through C motor homes. I've also seen how inexperienced users have caused those air bags to burst by overcharging them, which makes an automated system much more important. As such, while the RAM model does have the 4X4 capability, it's intended as a working suspension and not a plaything.

Find out if Chevy/GM has any plans to tuck up their frame on the next HD's and possibly stick a SFA back up front. That's all I'm interested in. Ford's truck lounge thing should be interesting.

It's pretty evident that Dodge is planning to complete the takedown of Chevrolet in 2013. Not good for GM shareholders. Even Ford should be watching over their shoulder. Although Chevy is the one who is hanging by a thread in the truck world. Of the Big 3 anyway.

Highly doubt it, too much brand loyalty. GM is still selling a ton of trucks despite a very ugly, underpowered, and outdated 1/2 ton. With the new 1/2 tons they will sell even more. On HD, Dodge has been coming in 3rd place in the shootouts for the past several years. Ram hasn't proved anything yet. GM updated their HD frames first. The HD bodies and interiories are next. So I highly doubt Chevrolet will be taken down anytime soon.

DW Fields--There was more resemblance of the Mustang from 89 on to the original than there was of the Mustang II. Also the redesign of the 94 Mustang had taillights and sides that resembled the 64 1/2 to 66 Mustang where the Camaro of 94 had no resemblance to any of the previous Camaros. Also the real Mustang enthusiasts were so glad for the demise of the Pinto based Mustang II that they bought the replacement in droves. I understand that the global Mustang is designed to appeal to the next generation and that it would be more successful in Europe and Asian, but does it play in Peoria? Will middle Americans buy this in enough numbers? Many of the younger generation do not have the love for cars and trucks that we have on this site have and those that do probably do not make enough money to buy a new car, especially a Mustang. The global Mustang would be similiar to Harley Davidson changing their entire line of motorcycles to resemble a Ducatti or BMW. How many loyal Harley customers would they keep if they did that? Yes we baby boomers are aging and in the future we will be dying off but many of us still have the money to buy these toys along with the loaded expensive full size pickups.

As for JCP I am well aware that they were in need of some new strategies along with that their current CEO was an Apple executive, but their new strategy is much worse and they are headed in the direction of oblivion. One rule of business is that you do not alienate the few loyal customers you have left and this is what JCP did with the redesign of their stores, the changing of their name to JCP from J C Penny's, new logos, and their new rather strange advertising. Yes the advertising got your attention but it was hard to remember that it was an ad for Penney's. The commercials with Ellen were targeted for another group but that group has not been shopping at JCP in new record numbers. The JCP strategies were poorly planned and poorly executed with probably little testing if any to a broad range of the population. The CEO should be fired for such a dismal failure.

As for compact trucks I gather from your prior postings as with me that you would like to see a truely affordable and fuel efficient compact pickup. As many others have commented and after reading the link to the fuel standards that were adopted in the recent past there is less incentive for the manufacturers to make a compact or midsize truck and more incentive to make larger well equiped pickups with a larger profit margin. Maybe this will change in the future, but in another 10 to 15 years it is more probable that the full size half ton truck will diminish to a size of the current global Ranger, which is smaller than the current full size but which is not compact. The only possibility of a compact pickup would be if a Chinese company or companies were to put assembly plants in the US to assemble a competitively priced and fuel efficient compact truck. I am still hoping for that to at least have some choice, but there is the probability that will not happen.

@Tom
No, I'm not anti American, I just observe from the outside. I do feel my observations are quite right.

The statement like American cars are very reliant on imported tech is true. Why? Because of your protectionist regulations and controls governing everything from energy production to how your bumpers and indicators are on your vehicles.

Look at the mess 1/2 ton pickups have to contend with in design of vehicles. The parameters will only kill them off.

Hence, you never developed a large export auto industry. The American auto manufacturers relied on 1920s and 30s thinking and never tried to improve quality, just production.

Other than Chrysler as of the last 15-20 years no other manufacturer has been trying to export seriously. American cars are essentially cult cars outside of NA. And like I have said you need to produce what the world wants in motor vehicles, you are slowly losing that influence.

German and Asian manufacturers became sucessful global manufacturers becasue they designed global models since the oil crisis of the 70s. US global manufacturers (Big 3) struggled with regional models that were easily overcome by the Asian and German vehicles, simple.

Also, there are people who are narrow minded on this site, because of the nature of the topic, this doesn't concern me. Reading some of the post on PUTC you would think some consider the US the world, it isn't. The world has so much to offer.

Militarily the US is powerful, and yes we are reliant on US help just as much as you rely on our help along with the Canadians and Brits. For 70 years now Great Britan, Canada and Australia has come to the aid of the US in nearly all of its conflicts, not the other way around as you have stipulated.

Australia also has the 3rd highest per capita spending of GDP in military. We also import from you guys 4 times the value than you import from us. So your Australian relationship is profitable from all aspects of military, politics and economics.

The US used to have this style of relationship with many more countries, that's why it became affluent. Now the tide is turning globally, but the US isn't changing quick enough along with Europe and Japan. Essentially the "old guard" is transforming.

These aren't anti American sentiments. It's the truth.

@DW Fields
Jeep used to make a very attractive Comanche based on the Cherokee. It was powerful and very capable (for its time).

I do think Jeep should be considered to be the Chrysler mid size manufacturer. Because Jeep is viewed as a mid size producer not like Ram and it is also a Fiat exporter.



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