The Ram Truck display had a 3500 HD LongHorn right next to a bodiless frame and chassis of the same platform, so we decided to talk a little more on camera about the big tow ratings that came out last week. We thought you might like to see what lies under the Ram HD skin.
The video made the chages to get the big numbers very clear .... Good work, Mark.
this chevy looks like it eat ford rams and poop out hondas civics bad ass looking truck!
http://review-specs.com/2014-chevy-truck-lifted.html
That was supposed to be "changes". Also did the Ram folks mention any improvement (and if so, how much) in mpg with the switch to DEF for the pickups?
@eat n fords pooping rams
hahaha... way to make the new chevy look even more ungainly and awkward in its own skin.
How come Ram didn't mention payload? Don't look at the payload. Just look at the big tow rating.
Great video Mark. Thanks
@Dave,
Just to clear things up - Nobody gives a rat's a** about a truck's manufacturer payload ratings.
If you pay for 30,000 lbs towing at registration, and none of your axle / tires are overweight, they'll happily let you tow that with your RAM 3500.
That's how TOWING works. No standard Freightliner is rated to tow 250,000 lbs. But you buy that permit, then you're legally allowed to tow that!
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Posted by: HEMI HD | Jan 13, 2013 11:24:48 AM
JUNK
POOR QUALITY
LAUGHING STOCK OF THE TRUCK WORLD
RAM LIGHT DUTY AND HD
Ford F series #1 at building the ugliest trucks on the face of planet earth only mothers could love, well hell not even mothers could love fords
The 3500 with its 37,600 gcw is impressive, but with a stick shift its only 26,000 lbs? I was hoping for higher ratings on the manual version.
John,
Its like that because the power ratings for the cummins are less with the manual trans and more with the auto trans.....they cant find a manual that will hold up to all that torque
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Hemi, The max trailer weight towing number is limited by the payload number. If you want any payload left over for people, cargo and asscories the REAL towing max is around 24,000 lbs. This figure is competitive with Ford and Chevy, and does not blow anyone away. As oxi would say, details. It's in the details.
Exmaple 1:
29,000 lb trailer x 20% king pin weight = 5800 lbs
Payload is 5800 so you used up all the payload and you haven't added a hitch, cargo or any people
Example 2:
24,000 lb trailer x 20% king pin weight = 4800
5800 payload - 4800 = 1000 lbs gross payload
1000 - 250 for hitch = 750 lbs for people, cargo and accesories
Ford F series #1 at building the ugliest trucks on the face of planet earth only mothers could love, well hell not even mothers could love fords
- Sure, that's why everybody and their mother drives one now. Because their ugly. They're hands down the best looking truck on the road and next up would be the new Dodge. They also command the highest prices. Chevrolet wishes they could design a truck that looked half that good. Last good looking truck they had was the GMT400. Before that one would have to go back to the late 60's. They just get uglier and uglier with each new style and have ever since 1999.
@ JeffJ They just get uglier and uglier with each new style and have ever since 1999.
Yeah you got that right ford keep getting uglier and uglier
These numbers are great, what should be done is when the numbers are all out for the different trucks they be brought to Seattle, all of then loaded to the max numbers they spout.
Take them out to I 90 and let them drive to Butte Montana, swing north up I 15 to Lethbridge, Alberta then go west on #3, to Rock Creek, B. C. turn right up #33 to Kelowna, take the 97C to Merritt, turn left onto #5 then back to Seattle.
That would be a test none of this wimp 7% grade for a short period, this would test the truck to do what they say it will do. Then we would know which truck does the deed and which one is a ?
@Dave- the towing charts published here recently have the payload and even available front and rear axle load capacity listed. Just look it up...
http://blogs.cars.com/files/2013-ram-hd-25003500-charts.pdf
RAM just $#!^ on FORD & whiped a CHEVY. lol.
FIRES
FLAMES
BENT FRAMES
RECALL KING
BOTTOM OF THE BARREL RELIABILITY
FORD
Ford Is Hammered in CR Reliability Survey.
Consumer Reports on Monday released its latest reliability survey, and among brands with pickup trucks in their stables, Ford fell the farthest, placing 27th among 28 brands. lmfao!
@details, how do you arrive at a 6k reduction in max trailer because of payload? Do you mean to tell me 5 adults and som baggage and a full tank of gas weigh 6000lbs? What are you on? And if that were true they Chevy and ford would have to be knocked down a proportional amount as well.
5 adults even if they are big, 1000 lbs, full tank of gas assuming 30-40 gallons maybe 200-300lbs (water is 8lbs per gallon and diesel floats on water so make of that what you will), we are at 1300lbs Ill give you 1500lbs and assume these are manly men in the cab. I fail to see how general carry along items will get you to the 6k you allege due to "payload" do you haul boxes of anvils while you are towing? Its not like a 5th wheel hitch leave a ton of usable space in the bed anyways.
Dave was not looking for an aswer. He was asking a rhetorical question. Ram doesn't mention payload next to their brag numbers because it's their achilles' heel
It's pretty simple:
CREW CAB LONG BOX 4X2 LONGHORN DRW
Payload: 5,820
Towing: 29,150
Page 10: http://blogs.cars.com/files/2013-ram-hd-25003500-charts.pdf
You must subtrct the king pin weight from the payload.
29,000 x 20% king pin = 5800
5820 - 5800 = 20 lb payload.
So you've got 20 pounds for the pssengers, cargo and accessories. What about a 250 lb 5th wheel hitch? And we haven't even talked about taking off payload for added options, any drivers that are above 150 lbs, etc.
However, it will work if you go down to the 24,000 lb max towing range.
That is why Ram doesn't advertise the payload.
@Dave,
Just to clear things up - Nobody gives a rat's a** about a truck's manufacturer payload ratings.
If you pay for 30,000 lbs towing at registration, and none of your axle / tires are overweight, they'll happily let you tow that with your RAM 3500.
That's how TOWING works. No standard Freightliner is rated to tow 250,000 lbs. But you buy that permit, then you're legally allowed to tow that!
GUTS
GLORY
THE CLASS LEADING TOW KING
RAM!
I think that Ram is the class leader pointing the direction all of the automakers will head towards.
Posted by: Lou |
@whatever Hemi - HEMI V8 HD?
WFT?
You obviously work at Macdonald's flipping burgers or it's a challenge for you to make toast, because the comment you made about Freightliners you obviously plucked out of your A$$.
Tell me a manufacturer of any product, even fishing rods (poles) that doesn't have limits.
Any item that is engineered has limits, especially something as complex as a motor vehicle.
The problem that is of concern with Ram is they are pushing the limits of a pickup.
It's not hard to display a little common sense.
Cummins Diesel 385 @ 2,800 850 @ 1,600 Aisin ASC69RC (Ram 3500)
The new Aisin AS69RC six-speed automatic transmission, available only in the Ram 3500, has wider gear ratios for better efficiency and performance. For buyers preferring a manual, Ram's segment-exclusive six-speed manual transmission features a wear-compensating clutch for lifetime like-new performance and a dual-trunion shift tower to accommodate a compact shift pattern.
Buyers opting for the Cummins and 68RFE six-speed automatic transmission in the Ram 2500 get an unsurpassed-in-¾-ton trucks 800 lb.-ft. of torque at 1,600 rpm.
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I saw a 1994 Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins towing a steel shipping container today. The kind you find on a ship. With Diesel fuel continuing to rise I am sure their is a market for this tow king RAM. All the ambulance and towing companies including L.A county fire paramedics have already switched to RAM.
@Hemi V8
I can tow a can tow an empty shipping container with my Mazda BT50 and so can on of your 1/2 ton trucks.
What was in it?
@Big al, GOOD FOR YOU.
Ok, this probably means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of you; however, I believe I've determined WHY the beds of so many modern full-sized trucks are so small. They're not built to carry any payload any more! No, rather than payload, they're playthings; meant to tow RVs, horse trailers or other fifth-wheel/gooseneck trailers rather than a load of lumber for the carpenter; a load of bricks or blocks for a mason, etc. You either have a Working truck with a decent bed and usually no more than a single cab or you have an RV hauler with its luxurious four-door cab and no carrying ability. The so-called "extended cab" doesn't add enough comfortable seating for passengers (though lets you have more inside storage) and sticks you with that tiny bed. Only a few trucks seem to hit that proper load carrying capacity with a truly comfortable interior for more than 2 occupants.
Ok, sure, this doesn't seem to have any bearing on the article, but think again. The one-ton 3500 series RAM has huge towing ability--with a 4.5' or maybe 5.5' bed and room for six, comfortably. How many of those heavy-trailer-hauling drivers are going to use that back seat?
I hate to say it, but there is no longer any logic in the design of today's pickup trucks. They either do one job very well and the other poorly, or they don't do either as well as they should.
@Tom: Where do you get the 20% figure for the "tongue weight" of the trailer? Why do you use a fixed number when it is usually listed as either "max tongue weight" or as a range of tongue weights?
For the longest time, the tongue weight of a conventional Class 2, 3 or 4 hitch was 10% of the trailer weight. With the probable exception of OTR trailers I believe 5th-wheel hitch weight is max 15%--though I will acknowledge that I'm not certain of that. Either way, you're not talking about putting 5800 pounds in the bed of a one-ton HD, but rather more like 2700-3500 pounds which falls much more in line with what a typical one-ton truck's load capacity would normally stand at.
I expect that if you looked at the load/tow ratings of existing trucks, you would find I'm closer to a realistic figure than you.
The average king pin weight is about 20%. If you buy this truck based on the advertised 29,000 lb tow rating, you have to figure out what the king pin weight might be.
20% of 29,000 eats up all of your payload.
I think some people mistake pulling with carrying.
Down force on the pin is the critical number, not what 'it'll pull'.
This is no big news.....when the cummins ram came out, hot shot drivers were grossing 22,000 + pounds then....... Its not if it can pull it, cuz we all know it can, its will it stop it? The info i got was from pickuptrucks.com dodge ram truck history page.
Just to clear things up - Nobody gives a rat's a** about a truck's manufacturer payload ratings.
If you pay for 30,000 lbs towing at registration, and none of your axle / tires are overweight, they'll happily let you tow that with your RAM 3500.
That's how TOWING works. No standard Freightliner is rated to tow 250,000 lbs. But you buy that permit, then you're legally allowed to tow that!
GUTS
GLORY
THE CLASS LEADING TOW KING
RAM!
Posted by: Lou | Jan 16, 2013 2:55:02 PM
My name is Hemi V8 and have other names i post under. I really have issues and can't stop posting the same thing post after post. I hope Ram starts paying me royalties for all the advertising i do for them. I'm sorry guys, it's a disease i have and can't stop.
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Anybody can posy all these big numbers Ford has done it for years but when put to the test which I believe is a sissy wrought it failed miserably. The wrought I posted earlier is a wrought that would prove whether a truck is a truck or a want to be.
Also when they do the wrought I suggested there must be no pre running, that wrought has surprises, just like real truckers find every day. Do it in the first week of August when it is hot, and none of those two hour drives, 4 hour minimum, I want to see if the truck can do the job I do not care if it has a heated steering wheel or a GPS, leather is nice but when you come down a long hill and all of a sudden there is a 30 MPH corner I want to know if it will do the JOB.
watch the ford looser crying again wooooaa...woooaaaa wake up ford from your planet this is reality maybe is time to admit you never have the best truck only in your dream wooaaa,woooaaaa,,,loll
News Flash! What truck Co sells the most trucks out of the Big Three in this country? Hint it ain't Dodge, or GM!
It looks like they took the original F450 concept and went foreward from there. Tires look like 19.5's. Anyone know what kind of rubber this truck will be running?
@HEMI V8 and every other two year Mopar Retard
Last time I checked RAM is still in third place. Until that changes, please shut the hell up!!! Chevy may not be the greatest looking truck, but they still outsell RAM. As for Ford, RAM can only dream of selling those kind of numbers. So until then, just SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!
@Tom: I'm going to repeat that your 20% figure is a "Max Tongue Weight", not an average. Through personal experience pulling RV trailers (I admit I haven't towed any fifth wheel/gooseneck without a full sized road tractor) I know that MINIMUM tongue weight is supposed to be 10%. I also know from loading OTR trailers for those OTR trailers that the recommended tongue weight is supposed to be 50% of the trailers overall weight for stability.
Now, if you look at the typical flatbed trailer pulled by a Medium Duty truck or an HD pickup truck, the axles are almost dead-center of the load bed of that trailer. This implies that the tongue weight is expected to be in the 10% to 20% range with an average of 15%. Keep in mind that without some form of hitch weight display, you can not hit those numbers exactly. However, it is very obvious by simply looking whether a hitch is too heavy or too light.
Oh, tongue weight on a Class 2, 3, or 4 hitch is supposed to be 10%. Period. I might have stated that wrong earlier. More than that and you risk unloading the steer wheels. Less, and you threaten stability of the trailer. Load balancing hitches help, but I've seen them critically and dangerously misused.
Tongue weight and king pin weight are different. We're not talking tongue weight. Tongue weight is for conventional towing from the bumper.
King pin weight for 5th wheel trailers. On the fifth wheel king pin weight is over 15%. It will be up to 25% for the heavier trailers we are talking about, the 29,000 to 30,000 lb trailer weights.
Using the lower end of the heavier scale at 20% it is way too much trailer for this truck. Your payload is only around 5800lbs and the king pin weight of that puts you at max payload before you include the weight of fifth wheel hitch, passengers (family), cargo, etc.
5th wheels usually have 15 to 25 percent of the weight of the trailer on the kingpin. The only way to tell how much is there is to weight it.
With a 30,000 lb trailer ifyou could keep it at below 20% it would work; however, the heavier trailers such as this will usually have 20 to 25 percent.
Some fart owners doesn't know to read article. We're not talking about selling numbers but towing capacity and truck improvements in here. And RAM is #1 recently. There is nothing you can do about it.
@big al with small truck
You are just jealous we have a better trucks for much less money than you.
Why are most of the Ram guys starting to sound alike?
Jealous is a word used by sheepherders and fans of overweight 4 banger Taco's.
Just to clear things up - Nobody gives a rat's a** about a truck's manufacturer payload ratings.
If you pay for 30,000 lbs towing at registration, and none of your axle / tires are overweight, they'll happily let you tow that with your RAM 3500.
That's how TOWING works. No standard Freightliner is rated to tow 250,000 lbs. But you buy that permit, then you're legally allowed to tow that!
GUTS
GLORY
THE CLASS LEADING TOW KING
RAM!
Posted by: Lou | Jan 16, 2013 2:55:02 PM
@elvira - aka zveria, TRX4 Tom
I'm jealous because of your trucks, you must be a fan boi.
How can you assume I'm jealous.
"@elvira - aka zveria, TRX4 Tom"
Use any other Alias's ???????
How did this get to number 1 in Australia?!?! Our music sucks just like our small trucks! God help us!
@TRX4 Tom
Pretending to be an Aussie. I'm very proud of you now.
I don't know if you know Jacko, he had a near legendary cult status in Australia for the outragous things he did.
He was a very accomplished AFL player in the 1980's and was reknown for dropping people that annoyed him to much.
He was very much a character, this "larrakin" trait is was has endeared many Australian around the world.
Paul Hogan would be considered a larrakin, like the roles he has played in Crocodile Dundee.
You tube some Paul Hogan Show shorts. He made some of the funniests skits, all with Australian humour.
Look up the term and larrakin.
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