PUTC at the 2013 New York Auto Show

NY Auto Show II

By Aaron Bragman

New York City and pickup trucks aren't quite the matched pair that, say, Dallas and pickup trucks or Phoenix and pickup trucks are. During the New York International Auto Show, the major manufacturers tend to focus more on luxury cars or high-mileage city cars, leaving the trucks for events like the Texas State Fair or even the Chicago Auto Show. That doesn't mean there isn't some pickup truck interest here in the Big Apple — OK, actually it does — but there are some things here at the show that we can apply to the truck world.

NY EcoDiesel[5]

First and foremost is the appearance of a light-duty diesel engine under the hood of the new 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel is a fantastic engine — I drove it in the Grand Cherokee last month and can attest to its smoothness, massive torque and wallet-pleasing fuel efficiency. In a Grand Cherokee, the engine is a high-priced alternative to the Hemi V-8. In a Ram 1500, however, where the engine is next expected to show up, it could be an extraordinary workhorse option for buyers whose primary purpose is towing or hauling. Chrysler has been mum on when exactly we should expect the EcoDiesel in the Ram 1500, but don't be too surprised if it shows up sometime next year. It's going to be a crowd pleaser.

NY HondaVAC[3]

Honda's Ridgeline can be considered a pickup despite being built on the company's minivan platform, but that shared lineage might be good for something new: the HondaVac system. The company just unveiled HondaVac at the New York show. It's a built-in vacuum developed in partnership with ShopVac that's neatly integrated into the rear trim panel of the new 2014 Honda Odyssey Touring Elite minivan. We got to thinking — minivans and vacuums go together pretty well, but why not drop that puppy into the Ridgeline? Pickups venture into rougher and dirtier terrain than minivans, so why not tote along a built-in vacuum cleaner to suck up the dust, mud and dirt that accumulates on the floor mats? Or better yet, up-size the machine to work-site duty standards and have Mopar make it a drop-in accessory for the RamBox.

NY Shelby Raptor[5]

One new pickup was unveiled at the New York show, but technically it's not from a major manufacturer. Shelby American, the company that brought you the wide-body GT500 Super Snake Mustang and the 1,100-horsepower Shelby 1000 Mustang, is now offering the Shelby Raptor. Arriving with all the subtlety of a roundhouse kick to the face, the Shelby Raptor will have a 575-horsepower supercharged engine option with packages that start at $18,000 above the cost of the new Ford SVT Raptor. Shelby script a foot tall adorns the body-side and rear window just to let everyone know what you've got. Shelbys have never been about anonymity, and the newest one won't be either.

 

Comments

Hope GM finally tells us their 3 new enigne spec's.

Yeah, how about forcing the issue with GM PUTC and getting us some numbers!

GM has been taking orders on the 2014's since March 7th, and production starts in April. Still no numbers from GM.

I caught a glimpse of a new 2014 Silverado heading down I 75 near Cincinnati the other day, I'm guessing its a pre production model.

I can see Hemiroid V8 staring at the 3.0-liter EcoDiesel with drool dripping from his lip, Um, so shiny and purty.
Ecodiesel, Ecoboost, Ecotec. WTF? The auto industry is great for abusing words.

@Mark Williams
"I drove it in the Grand Cherokee last month and can attest to its smoothness, massive torque and wallet-pleasing fuel efficiency. In a Grand Cherokee, the engine is a high-priced alternative to the Hemi V-8. In a Ram 1500, however, where the engine is next expected to show up, it could be an EXTRAORDINARY WORKHORSE OPTION. for buyers whose primary purpose is towing or hauling."

The small 3 Litre Diesels are smooth, have massive torque, fuel efficient and quiet. This engine will be a lot more tan a Niche.

Still not understanding the fuss over the 3.0 diesel. The Hemi V8 will cost a lot less up front. With the money you save, you can buy a LOT of gas, AND have a smooth dependable and powerful gasoline engine. What's not to like?

The Ram with a VM diesel would be a couple of grand cheaper if offered with a 6 speed stick shift. It will probably still hit or come close to the same fuel economy as the 8 speed.

Offer it in a base model truck for the workers, it would only cost a couple of grand more and could easily pay for itself.

Then have the higher end trucks with all of the zillion speed gearboxes.

I'd still take the HEMI 8 speed combo all day.

@Papa Jim
Would you buy a turbo 4 Mustang over a V8? It will be cheaper when they come out.

The driving experience plays a factor. I have driven a VM Grand and the torque is fantastic. Like driving a V8 of old, effortless.

Drive one, its the driving experience and combined economy.

Remember people buy Cadillac's when a Malibu can do the same.

@Papa Jim
Would you buy a turbo 4 Mustang over a V8? It will be cheaper when they come out.

The driving experience plays a factor. I have driven a VM Grand and the torque is fantastic. Like driving a V8 of old, effortless.

Drive one, its the driving experience and combined economy.

Remember people buy Cadillac's when a Malibu can do the same.

Big Al from Oz?

Don't drag me into what going on.

How can you have answered me prior to my post being delivered?

Something is odd.

@DenverDumbass
You obviously work for the EPA or CAFE. Some of the dumb ass unsubstantiated comments you come up with, wow. Or you are a Greenpeace Plant or just a plant.

You never prove SFA, just spruik bull$hit. At least provide links and other forms of support to justify your claims.

What you just wrote has nothing to do with nothing.

You are entitled to your opinion, though and I do respect that.

Remember Apollo 13 is watching.

@trx4tom lautenslager

More marketing?


@Jason the 2014s? You must mean that they start building GMs then. No worries.

Maybe the people desperate for an old GM that reminds them of a better time will be the only customers.

Ram will probably build 2013 MYs thru July if not August.

I don't get all the crying. Here it is in March, that's 1st quarter, right?

I don't know why it is that we get to thinking we need 2014 models out so early. I think Jeep has some out,as well as Fords, maybe?

But we will wait for a good laugh to see what GM's numbers will be.

I don't think they will sell that well. They still have just a 6 speed. Oh well, maybe their brakes will work, atleast a 1500, as they work quite well on GM 3500 duallys.

But no matter what happens, dealers will still have the highest rebates in town, darn near giving them away, and I will continue driving right past them.


Posted by: TRX4 Tom | Mar 8, 2013 3:54:54 PM

They will keep coming. Just adding a dash in you name will not help.

@trx4tom
You telling me you don't market Fiats, lautenslager?


@Jason: The eight speed hemis are in transit right now to dealers.

It should be compared to a 3.7 FORD (the Ram is a 3.6).

You can compare whatever you like, but to make it a fair comparison, two non turbo engines makes it fair.

Also less cost then an Ecoboost. Not every plans to pull heavy. And how about the premium fuel needed for the Ecoboost, for when towing heavy?

I know this isn't apples to apples either cause it isn't the same route, nor as long of a drive. Here's the Ford towing less, with a smaller cab:

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/2010-v-6-fuel-economy-and-long-distance-ride-quality.html

Years ago Car and Driver or Motor Trend hooked up an F-150 with I think a 4.6 3 valve, and towed at max weight in the mountains, and got rather low mileage. The point was to just test max towing numbers, and the gas mileage drop.

I don't think there's any doubt about the 3.6 getting it done, mileage might be the sam as a V-8 when towing though.


Posted by: TRX4 Tom | Mar 8, 2013 2:14:21 PM

Like I told you, if you keep the $hit up I'll be thorn in your sides.

@TRX4-Tom
Get you and you neanderthals off my A$$.

You work for Fiat.

Ever since you changed from Tom Terrific and came onto PUTC you have been on my back over mid sizers.

Why? Like I stated RAM DOESN'T have a midsizer. Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan all have one or there is one in the pipeline.

@TRX4 Tom, Luentenslager (including Tom Lemon)
"Did I just read ANCAP said safest truck in the world?"

Reading most of your posts I can see why you make so many errors.

You really are a fool. I would have thought people choosen for marketing would be smarter.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

@TRX4 Tom, Luentenslager (including Tom Lemon)
"Did I just read ANCAP said safest truck in the world?"

Reading most of your posts I can see why you make so many errors.

You really are a fool. I would have thought people choosen for marketing would be smarter.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

You work for Fiat.

You obviously work for the EPA or CAFE.

So, who is this Greg Baird? I haven't mentioned him yet.

I'll find out who he is. I noticed you put him under Jeff S's name.

I'm gradually phishing you out:-) notice the bigger smile now?

You thought you are that good a troll? We'll I don't troll.

Is it something to do with Greg Baird? This is really getting interesting. Who is Greg Baird DDA?

Am I playing with your mind :-) Like I said I can get under your skin anytime I want.

Gotch ya again.

Another IP address gone...........

You must really dislike Big Al from Oz, or, ............... are you holding a grudge against PUTC? :-)

Hmmm, you're a weird one to nut out.

@DenverMike
Are you lying again? Or trolling?

Or twisting?

@DenverDA, you Say
The Holden/Chevy SS would never be a hot seller in the US regardless of CAFE. $50K+ is an absolute joke! That's German Luxo car money. Limiting its production/imports was GM's decision (for whatever reason?) and not CAFE's.


GM Say
Higher fuel use – not a lack of demand – could determine the sales success of the Holden VF Commodore in the United States.

Speaking at the motor show reveal of the Chevrolet SS – the name the Commodore will wear in the US - to media at the 2013 New York motor show, General Motors executive and former Holden boss Alan Batey said it would be America’s strict fuel use targets that will ultimately put a limit on sales.

@DenverDA again,
Who do we believe? A known liar and troll? or GM on this one.

The Commodore isn't a pony car and so far it competes with M Series BMWs, AMGs, Audi's etc outside of the US. Remember the US isn't the world. It represents less than 20% of global vehicle sales.

Are you going to multi post again?

Remember Apollo 13 is watching.

I appears you should seek some psychiatric assistance.

There is medication that will help you.

All of this aggresion towards PUTC?

Or do you think this site is only for "Americans"?

How can anyone have a different view to you, hmmm.

Don't confuse different people posting now.

You will screw up what you want to achieve.

@Papa Jim
Two completely different vehicles, ones a truck the other a car platform.

@TRX4 Tom
Should I respond to your crap. Really, you make yourself foolish, are you a school kid?

Are you trolling? Or are you a guerilla marketer?

Roll over? Explorer Sport Trac? GVWR?

These style of vehicles will have a market in the US. Especially with fleet buyers that buy single cabs.

A SUV buyer would consider them also, like I did.

Does everyone have to have a dual cab 1/2 ton because you do.

What is your point. What are you scared of? Do you work for Fiat?

@TRX4 Tom
How can a vehicle be "shoved down your throat".

It's like me saying that you are shoving Fiats down my throat. But I don't.

The reason why is I still think the US has enough freedoms to go out and buy a Tundra instead.

I think you would have the same opportunity if mid sizers were available.

Oh, you do have mid sizers, but not the best ones.

What my argument has been is a level playing field for these style of vehicles is needed.

That is what you ae scared off. You, not me fears that they will displace full size trucks.

So they must be pretty good if you are that scared.

If this is not the case, what is your argument?

Oh, I worked it out, its Easter and your safe to do as you please and not get caught out.


@TRX4 Tom
If they get any better I suppose they can make safety ratings with 6 stars :)

Oh, by the way have you heard from Tom Terrific lately :) :) :)

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Mar 5, 2013 2:50:31 PM

@TRX4 Tom
The Ranger is apparently the world's safest pickup truck.

The Ranger is safer than a M series Mercedes.

The BT50 (like my ute), VW Amarok, Holden Colorado, Izuzu Dmax are all 5 star ENCAP and ANCAP.

So they appear to be safe enough, but there's always room for improvement.

Because of the safety of the vehicles families are buying them more. They are a very flexible alterantive to a smaller SUV and in many cases return better mpgs.

Wouldn't you buy a safer vehicle to protect your family?

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/1C9CC2C50BF64592CA257935007F69CF

@Tom with a Ranger
Tom I have the Mazda equivalent with the 3.2 diesel and it is a good vehicle.

There would be a very large market in the US for a vehicle like this and the other 8 brands we have.

I think they will compliment your full size market and increase pickup ownership numbers in the US.

They are surprisingly torquey and are very good at towing large loads.

As for the guys whining about the size of the beds most of them probably won't load theirs because it will get a scratch.

The vehicles are quite versitile and have a reasonable payload.

For all of the people who fear, I'm not saying stop full size trucks, just allow these vehicles to compete fairly in your market.

@TRX4 Tom
Really? What a dumb ass comment!

You really are a winner, as my American father would call you, a dingaling and a little bit under cooked up top.

And you are a racing car driver (so you claim), wow.

@TRX4 Tom
Actually a guy who used to post on this site named HEMI V8 made a comment on PUTC exactly the same to me.

You have me wondering again about names. You seem to display the same mentality as him, hmmm?

@TRX4 Tom
Actually a guy who used to post on this site named HEMI V8 made a comment on PUTC exactly the same to me.

You have me wondering again about names. You seem to display the same mentality as him, hmmm?

When travelling overseas you do see vehicles differently than what the "locals" do.

Just like when you buy a new vehicle and you think you are more unique than others.

What generally happens, you say to yourself I didn't realise there are so many of these things on the road :)


Lou, post more, we need your support and your humour.

Like I've seen you do in the past, you wanted to reduce the idiocy on this site. This site could provide much useful information to many.

As you are aware I do think there is some "funny" trolling.

The likes of DenverMike use subtle methods of trolling. That's why I refuse to alter any debate with him. That's how you tackle his style of trolling. Leave definite boundaries when you start to debate him.

His technique is to subtly distort a debate until he's makes himself correct. He tries to play mind games.

But, my view is he's a goose.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

@Lou
I'm sorry I disagree. I do respect your view.

I have always stated their is room for both, just have a level playing field. This aspect is always taken out of context.

That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

TRX4 Tom and your other aliases, you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC.

As for the guys whining about the size of the beds most of them probably won't load theirs because it will get a scratch.

That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC.

you are dumber than dog s.................wow, try and add quality and truth in your statements. But from what I've read truth and guerilla marketing have nothing to do with each other.

That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC.

you are dumber than dog s.................

That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC.

Thorn in My Side, could write a song about that:-)

Thought you got rid of me :-)

Elation, what a feeling...................then the let down, what a bummer of a feeling.

How do you feel?.....:-)

You like to play with peoples minds, but someone is better.

See if you can exceed 200 comments this time 'round :-)

It's Easter and the 'shop' is empty, no one is watching.

You're a real brave man. Like a thief.

Are you a thief as well?

I'm waiting, thief.

This is getting really old and out of hand. can we quit with the BS and multiple posting and grow up for one. It make this site a joke.

In other news i really like the built in vaccum idea but i dought it make its way into a pickup truck. but rather a feature for suvs and minivans.

@JohnM
We have been working on this for a month now.

The person is using multiple IP addresses.

As quick as they are closed he opens new ones.

WOWIE!!! Looks like Big Oz is so tough he can do lots of little swearwords!!!

@Big Al from Oz - it is funny how you seem to think yourself indispensible to PUTC and NOT a culprit of the trash on this forum.....so far all I can see coming from your posts is hate for Americans and individual posters as well as argumentative and snobby comments. Grow up please. If you weren't such a hater yourself perhaps others would layoff. Make the forum better by one instead of retaliating with more hate and provoking people to hate you in the process. Furthermore, this is an American site, not about Australia much is it, which may be causing people to doubt your know it all stance on absolutely everything that comes up. Quet down and enjoy the ride.

"you are dumber than dog s.................That has been the basis for my argument since posting on PUTC." - BAFO

Yes, it has the basis, hasn't it. The one positive about multi-posting is it puts BAFO's own words back in his face. You want to turn every post to subjects that have nothing to do with the topics and make snarky comments. Nobody is buying your act anymore. You want to hate on Americans. You want talk down to people. You want to provoke and use bad language all of the time, then people will see you for what you really are and you will get what you deserve. You are an uncharitable hater. If ML was here he would have put a stop to the way you act on here and it wouldn't have gotten to this. You can either change the you act or you can just leave.

BTW, nobody's ip has been banned. If there was, yours and others would have been banned long ago for trash talking.



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