Video: Rampage! The Test at Davis Dam

 

Check out our Rampage! The Test at Davis Dam video in which you can see exactly where we drove our two Ram 1500 V-6s during our recent Road Test. It doesn't have all the information we've loaded into our full Road Test story, but it'll give you a good idea how much driving and testing we packed into our time with the 2013 pickups.

 

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@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

PUTC

FIX THE MULTIPLE POSTINGS OR IT WILL RUIN YOUR SITE!

@Lou
I think was heading in the right direction though.

I do not think that last post was Big Al.

@Leutenslager aka TRX4 Tom, zveria etc.
I think that's the most multiple posts you've made.

Are you angry?

Having trouble getting your 'message" across?

Has Fiat/Chrysler stopped paying you:)

What you are is a low life troll of the worst kind.

You are prepared destroy other peoples' work (this site) because your ineptness.

If that is what guerilla marketing is about and you consider it the American way I think you are deluded.

Like I've stated in the past get off of this site.

Or maybe we should form a neighbourhood watch for forum sites.

@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

@Josh
They way you write and your tone, inflictions etc. Your writing style is similar to TRX4 Tom's.

I just made a post and it is no longer on the site.

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@ Big Al, I didn't know they had GORILLA'S in AUSTRALIA. Did your disappearing post have anything to with the TOPIC?

@Lou--I like a little more variation in interiors as well. Seems like most interiors are grey, beige, and sometimes black or charcoal. It is less expensive and it also cuts down on inventory costs. Also those 3 colors go with almost any exterior colors. I do like the red interiors and the darker brown interiors on the King Ranch and Platinum editions of the Fords, but like you said those are leather. I don't mind the standard choice of interior, but you can get tired of anything if you get too much of it. The 1970s made me sick of dark brown, green, and orange exteriors and I have noticed those are colors that are coming back, count me out on those colors. Next will be mood rings, pet rocks, leisure suits, and Corinthian leather.

Jeff S
I'm still here:) Taking flak. Boy, I used to think Lou had it tough.

Interiors are significant, because that's why I bought my vehicle. It quite ugly on the outside, but the inside is nice.

I like blackish and dark interiors, but where I live with the heat it can be hot. But the AC comes on line fast.

Also, driving position is critical for me as well, I frequently make drives of 400 miles plus and once or even twice a year I make an 8 000km round trip down south from the top end. But the last several times I flew.

@Lou & Big Al--My Isuzu leather interior is charcoal and the exterior is black, which is ok in the Winter but hot in Summer, but my windows have an extra tint and I have tinted window visors over the doors which helps. The interior is nice. It does seem that the Rams and Fords have really nice interiors. Fiat has done a lot with the Chrysler, Dodge, and Ram brands. Fiat could very well become a major player in the NA market.

@Big Al: Sorry I haven't respronded fast enough for you. My lady gets to town on Friday, I would spend time with her or I would rather run with her then sit here and read your dumb accusations . Or your dumb talk in general. (Because you think you know it all) Actually we went and looked at another house, and spent time with her family. Not that I owe you any explanation, just saying.

But you probably like camping with men and your computer best.

No, Fiat sure doesn't pay me nothing. Does Ford pay you?

Am I mad? No. Sure wish it got better mileage towing, in all honesty. You can tell your buddy George that the 3.55 gears didn't make a huge differance, if any. So his "we need 3.92 gears" push was kinda worthless. The performance as far as pulling got the job done. Now, lets compare it to Nissans and Toyotas 4.0 V-6, Fords 3.7, and the Ridgeline, because that is what it compares to. Not a turbo'd engine, that is already having issues.

But it's not made for somebody that will tow 5,500 all the time. Like I have said, people that don't tow as heavy and as often. You said it yourself, alot of people here just buy half tons for just driving around (kinda like why people buy 4x4 BT-50s, they barely work them) But then again, that is your limited point of view cause you see two citties over a few weeks time, so you don't really see much here in the states. Did you buy your Mazda to tow at max all the time? Some folks buy theirs to tow at max, not a great idea, I would rather stick to the 70% or less.

Are you mad because you truck isn't really the safest truck and the world, and now you are just upset? Whatever dude.

"What you are is a low life troll of the worst kind.

You are prepared destroy other peoples' work (this site) because your ineptness.

If that is what guerilla marketing is about and you consider it the American way I think you are deluded.

Like I've stated in the past get off of this site."


If anybody is into Guerilla marketing, it is you. You a just a big troll-Big Troll Al from Oz.

I can comment on anything here, and sorry you don't like my opinion, or the FACT that other's at times share some of my opinion and you just accuse us of being one and the same: have accused me and Denver Mike, or Hemi, or Leutenslager, whoever that is?

Should I be like you and lump you in the same pile as anybody else that likes diesel midsizers? No, I will not drop to your level.


As for your multiple posts, it's you or yor buddies and you think you can accuse me of that? Mark Williams can figure it out that I haven't been on here since Friday, I haven't even been on my computer since Friday. I got better things to do then argue with you and show you FACTS, while you only try to back stuff up with your education, as if you know it all.

You can shove your know it all attitude and your accusations that go with it.

@Everyone: It is a $1,000 option over a 4.7, because you have to get the 8 speed ($500) to get the 3.6. (500)

@Jeff S
The same as my interior charcoal and black leather with minimal silver trim.

It worked out okay. I just need to get my windows tinted, but where I live there isn't to many tinters, actually none.

Maybe you missed the part where half of the towing 0-60 time happened in the 50-60 range, after the upshift into 3rd gear.

This engine shows its car heritage. The power goes from 305hp at 'redline', dropping to 210hp@50mph in 3rd gear, only recovering to 250hp@60mph. [and those power figures are sea level ones]
3.55 should be standard in 4x2, with an optional 3.73 for towing.
3.73 should be standard in 4x4 [make them, or source them], with an optional 3.92.
Hopefully the 3.6 goes away for '15 and is replaced with the twin-turbo direct injection 3.2 V6. 365hp 320ft-lbs is much better for trucks, especially at altitude where high volumetric efficiency naturally aspirated engines suffer more than low ones.

@George
I agree with you on that one.

But I've read it will take some time for Fiat/Chrysler to develop and manufacture the 3.2 force inducted engine. You stated a turbo 3.2, where did you get that info from?

The 3.6 V6 will remain and the 3.2 will be an intermediate engine to cover up to the Hemis.

I do think the diesel is the best option for a pickup if you use it for work or commute from the suburbs.

But I hope the production difficulties doesn't flow onto the consumer. It's a pity if it does, as the Ram has potential to be an good vehicle.

DWFields: Wrong as usual. It's $24,185 with the v-6 in a stripped Tradesman. The 44,000 and 38,000 are numbers AFTER the $995 destination fee. So, in base 6'4 bed Tradesman form, you are looking at $25,180. It's 29,360 before destination on a crew Tradesman with the v-6.

Nothing says you have to order a crew with decent options on the blue truck, or the red one, which is about everythingyou can get on an SLT.

Some folks will end up getting a spray in bedliner, you don't have to. Same with a Ram box.

Most folks that tow will want the fctory receiver hitch, and the factory trailer brake. If you don't tow, then you can do without. Maybe your old Ford has a bumper ball, that's great if you want to tow light. On most trucks nowadays the rear end sits too high anyway for a bumper ball. But a bumper ball won't tow near as safe as a receiver hitch.

If you want a stripped truck, that's up to you. Things like driving lights make it alot safer at night. That's just a few things you can cut off. I couldn't care for u connect myself. (Don't have it, don't miss it, but somebody else might want it.

Atleast they didn't do the test with a single cab Tradesman bare bones.

Have you ever looked online at a build and price site? I don't mean just Ram, any of them?

Big Troll Al will spin this like it's a Ram thing. Then he will want to compare it to a diesel truck that will cost $5,000 more, and cost more in fuel.

That diesel truck is great, if you tow alot. But there are alot that don't tow this much that often at 65 plus mph in the mountains.

There is a place for v-6s, diesels, and v-8s in full size trucks, based on how often and how heavy you tow, be it whatever brand.

@DW Fields
The Rams are having electrical problems that can't pass the quality control checks. That's why they are piling up at the factory awaiting repairs.

Don' worry about TRX4 Tom, what he's discussing is trivial.

No matter what price you pay if the Ram has inherent problems what good is it?

Like I stated buy them in a year or so after Ram resolves these electrical problems.

@Big Al from Oz--I am not really going to make too many comments on the bigger trucks, they are what many want and all appear to be very capable. My comments are in wanting more choice in the smaller truck and then being called cheap and told to take it or leave it. Since this is a discussion about Rams I will not discuss this any further. If DenverMike or TRX4 Tom want to tell me that I am wrong they are entitled to their opinion but I am not going to tell them that they are wrong in their choices. I will respect their choices even if they don't respect mine, but that is how a mature adult should act. I will choose what is best for me and they can choose what is best for them. I do applaud Fiat for what they have done with Chrysler and I hope for their continued success.

@big al

nothing taken personal. it's just a blog, i can leave anytime i want to just like anyone else. i didn't even know someone was reposting your blogs, i thought you were being a jackass lol!

@everyone

i don't know everything and neither do you. so what is the purpose of a blog? for all of us to maturely share information/knowledge that we have learned and learn something new. it is good to have an opinion, but your opinion shouldn't shape your attitude. if i have offended anyone in the past i apologize. at the same time when people offend me on the internet from far, far away i take it maturely and leave the site for a while or get a good laugh. it's not like anyone of you guys come home with me. your personal opinion does not get to me and should be vice versa. for god's sakes, it's a blog! we are here to learn and share info, and yes SPECULATE!

@ whoever keeps posting multiple blogs (if you didn't do it big al don't worry about me saying this)

i hope you know it is not easy to read the blogs (the purpose of this page) when you keep multiposting the same blog over and over. if it is that fun to you, why don't you just buy a printer and DIY?

@ people who think i am just a guy on a "guts, glory, ram" "rampage"

if it were about another vehicle, i would talk about that. i also admire other vehicles, i.e., ford's 5.0 f-150 and mustang (i have much speculation over the 5.0 getting the "ecoboost" treatment, fords 6.2 (thing is, the only vehicle it will be in is the F-250 on up eventually but i have much interest on whether it will be getting DOHC's, DI, and cam torque biased VVT like the 5.0 and V6s), toyota's i-force V8s (i just hate changing the oil on them unless i have the cartridge tool), and if nissan had decent rear end and a true limited slip i would have some interest in them as well. car and driver really liked the titan because it is the lightest full size when comparable equipped to another truck. lol they go like 126 mph i think! personally, i think the best chevys had carberatuers on top but that is just my opinion. i grew up on gm vehicles. and yes there was a time when chrysler made nothing but fwd crap and gm ruled in those years, i know. but today, it seems like things have flipped. the hemi has become the 350 chevrolet, becoming cheaper by the dozen, being put in everything from trucks to suvs, to cars and sports cars (i even wish they would drop the viper motor in favor of the best hemi ever imo). the hemi is american iron, cam in block, has decent mpgs for a V8 and has more than enough power. however, it seems gm is really trying with these gen V V8s. they will most likely not get me back after my bad experiences, but gm certainly has me interested. personally i like small v8s (by american standards anything under 6.0L) so if the 5.3 has at least 350 lb-ft on the next gen, it would make my favorites list. but i don't like gen III and IV V8s. i could get one hemi to do all the gen III and IV chevys work in one motor with pretty much the same mpgs, but just my opinion. oh yeah, i talk so much in one post so i don't have to multiblog.

@Josh
They way you write and your tone, inflictions etc. Your writing style is similar to TRX4 Tom's.

@Josh
Know your $hit.

Here is a cut and paste.

"A December 2011 financial report from Chrysler noted that the Pentastar had an “architecture for downsized displacement, direct injection, turbo charging, and MultiAir.” MultiAir was likely rejected for engines other than the 3.0 due to the cost/benefit ratio — the dual phased camshafts are cheaper but nearly as effective. "

I just made a post and it is no longer on the site.

@Leutenslager aka TRX4 Tom, zveria etc.
I think that's the most multiple posts you've made.

Are you angry?

Having trouble getting your 'message" across?

Has Fiat/Chrysler stopped paying you:)

What you are is a low life troll of the worst kind.

You are prepared destroy other peoples' work (this site) because your ineptness.

If that is what guerilla marketing is about and you consider it the American way I think you are deluded.

Like I've stated in the past get off of this site.

Or maybe we should form a neighbourhood watch for forum sites.

@Jeff S
I don't know if you've read the Ford Harmonisation with the UNECE article on TTAC.

I have had a significant story to tell. It came out quite well. There seems to be a misnomer that if the US aligns to the UNECE regs you'll lose big pickups and cars.

I explained this has occurred in Australia and we are aligned to the UNECE regs. I also explained we export muscle cars and have full sizers here.

So the US has nothing to worry about except if it goes through you'll get the same midsizers we have :) You can't beat choice. But ours generally only have 4 levels of trim.

But there are scare mongerers.

I like the smaller pickups at the moment because it's what I need and with the diesel I'm getting huge fuel economy.

I would buy a larger one if I needed it. We have larger Nissan Patrol pickups and Toyota Landcruiser V8 diesel pickups. But I don't need one.

@Leutenslager aka TRX4 Tom, zveria etc.
I think that's the most multiple posts you've made.

Are you angry?

Having trouble getting your 'message" across?

Has Fiat/Chrysler stopped paying you:)

What you are is a low life troll of the worst kind.

You are prepared destroy other peoples' work (this site) because your ineptness.

If that is what guerilla marketing is about and you consider it the American way I think you are deluded.

Like I've stated in the past get off of this site.

Or maybe we should form a neighbourhood watch for forum sites.

@George: Perhaps you didn't compare the 3.55 times to 3.21 times? Maybe some reporting on what rpm it went from to what rpm it went to when it shifted would be more exact?

Now you are jut differing just for the sake of being differant.

We seen the 3.55 really had no advantage. But I guess you want us all all to think that that 5% more, 3.73, will make the big differance. The only thing is the lower gears are about 66-67% of the next, then you get to get to 4th gear @ 79% of third.

You will still have a slight gap in the there, no matter what ring and pinion you run.

AND, the spread that you see to want, would only make this worse. You were complaining that some other company has a 8.00 somthing spread? Think George, that would only make the gears spread out more. As in percentages of the last gear in low 60s, high 50s%. As it is, the 8 speed is alot closer then the low gears in a GM/Ford 6 speed.

I do agree the torque doesn't seem to come out as low as advertised, they say 90 torque at 1800 rpm? I don't see it.

But then this is more of an extreme test. It isn't "lets tow through the flatlands and at only 60mph.

If somebody buys this combo to tow this much on a regular bases, in this kink of envirement, they are just asking for it.

This is more so for somebody that doesn't tow this heavy or tow as often. You wouldn't buy an Ecoboost to to 11,300 all the time would you? You might. I would have stepped up to a diesel. But then we read about people doing it, like in a MSN.com review somebody staes they bought an Ecoboost to tow 11,700.

You can have a small gasser v-6 turbo, I aint too excited about putting that much torque through those little cylinder walls, I woul rather have a v-8 or a diesel.

@Big Al from Oz--Yes I read that article about Ford wanting to harmonize the standards which is basically global standards. This makes sense for Ford since they have been developing global models and eventually plan on most of their lineup being global in nature. This saves on development costs and production costs since a global standard would bring uniformity. The NA market will be predominately full size half tons pickups that are unique to NA in the foreseable future but eventually the NA market will be mostly global cars and trucks.

@Big Al from Oz--Did you also read the latest junk yard find on TTAC, a 73 Datsun 240Z? What a find and the body is basically all there. I hope someone comes along and restores it instead of letting it go just to parts. Those were cars of our youth and what a find.

@Jeff S
I've have a read, the 240Z was on of the finest affordable sports cars of the 20th century.

I've always like them. They looked nice too.

I remember in high school when I was about 14/15 a home economics teacher has one and she was pretty and looked great in it.

@Jeff S: Pick whatever truck size that suits you, since you are the one buying it.

But the thing is, it just goes to show how behind the midsize trucks are when it comes to gas mileage. At least the Tacoma, Ridgeline and Frontier are, with their V-6s. In four cylinders, the Frontier and Tacoma are by themselves. Atleast if a single or access cab are all you want.

The two biggest things they have going for them are less parking space needed and they can go down narrower trails.

Maybe since those trucks (Frontier and Tacoma) can both tow over the weight of this trailer used, they will actually put them through a similar test? I'd like to see that. I hardly doubt their mileage towing would be any better. Alot of times it will be worse with a midsize that has a wider / taller trailer behind it, as opposed to a full size, that already is making a bigger hole in the air. Then there is stability of a wider longer truck, but some "so called experts" will never say that exists.

Or, we can just lump the midsizers together and say "well, who tows much with them, ayway?" They don't in my area. Lawn mower trailers, maybe. Those that tow in my area just get a v-8, or Ecoboost, or diesel. They don't play.

Buy the size truck that suits YOU, but they are behind on their engines and transmissions, compared to Ford and Ram.

I MYSELF will buy one that actually has cab space. You buy whatever suits YOU.

I for one am glad to see not just black or the old grey Dodge used to use. My truck has tan and brown interior. It beats the hell out of one color, like just black, I THINK.

I THINK they should have compared the quad cab 4x4 v-6 with 3.55 gears against the Access Cab Tacoma in that Four Wheeler shootout. It didn't make since they went and compared a v-8 6 speed with the 3.55 gears, in a crewcab.

But that's just MY OPINION.

@TRX4 Tom
Why do you have to come across as a schmuck all the time?

Is it because he communicated with me?

Lay off the guy, he's done nothing to you.

He has his choice, don't you live in America? The land of the free.

You're just a bully.

@Al: not bulling him at all, he said my name, and said I would probably not like his choice. That's fine.

Why are you so excited?

If there is a schumck, it is you. With your know it all atitude, gained from reading the same thing we all have access to.

I won't let you bully me around.

I was just talking trucks, and expessing my opinion, if you don't want to talk trucks, what are you here for? Just to pat yourself on the back?

DUDE, read my lips, I said, he can buy whatever suits him! I also pointed out some of the advatages of smaller trucks (if that is what somebody wants.)

Here's another: they are cheaper.

Damn, compare a full sizer to a mid sizer and still hear from you.

Is it that you just like the feeling of being in charge, and wont listen to anything somebody says? It's all about you, Mr Al.

@TRX4 Tom --I have a crewcab 4x4 Isuzu with a tow package but I will probably never tow with it. The size works for me better. My 99 S-10 extend cab is what I use for transporting things in and with a 2.2 cylinder with a 5 speed manual it gets in the low 20s in town and 27 on the road. Do you know what I like best about the S 10 over a new truck? Answer: It is paid for and it keeps paying me dividends in good reliable low cost service. At 98k it runs like it will go another 10 years. I was going to trade it in 5 years ago for my Isuzu but they offered me so little and it has been so reliable that I decided to keep it. How could I possibly go wrong?

I like tan leather seats. My wife's 2000 Taurus is Toreador Red with tan leather seat and it is beautiful. No rust or dents, 71k miles, and with the 24 valve V6 it has more than enough power. What gave you the idea that I don't like tan seats, I never said that.

Also my Isuzu has more than enough head and leg room for me. much more than a crewcab Tacoma. My S-10 has more head and leg room than a similiar Tacoma. I have no problems with the full size Ram, I just don't need one.

@@TRX4 Tom--If I were buying a full size truck I would probably not be interested in an Ecoboost. Since you like large pickups, you might be in luck if Ford grows the F-150 larger then Ram and Chevy will follow. If they made your Ram at least 25 percent larger imagine what you could tow and haul. I think that they should not stop there, they could very well make most trucks 50 percent larger. Bigger is better, isn't it?

@Jeff S - According to my female colleagues, size does NOT matter ;)

@Lou: lol!

@Jeff: well that's true, it is is good having a paid truck.

I really don't want the full sizers to grow. If anything, I would like to see Ram shorten the front end, ie, the distance sticking out past the front tires, sorta like a Nissan Titan doesn't have the front bumper sticking out.

I've actually thought about getting a Ram crew, not really sure I need it. Then when I look at something like a Ford Supercab, I say to myself "my cab is bigger than that" and think, do I really need a crew cab?

Maybe I don't, but the 6'4" bed I already have is as big a bed I need. Suits my needs.

I have an 83 W-150 longbed (8') out back. The oveall ength is not that much differance, maybe 6" longer then my quad cab. Yet the wheelbase is about 10 inches longer. (which has nothing to do with the EPA as somebody suggested on here)

Gotta love that some folks say that trucks are always getting bigger. They may be bringing out the crewcab options and 6 and a half foot beds. But they still offer base models. Which aren't that much bigger then 30 years ago.

If I was to get another, I am starting to like leather. It's not just me that rides in the truck, so it might be good to think about heated seats...even though I do't mind the cold too much. Gots to think of my lady.

Bottom line, get what works for you. I use the bigger cab, it works for me.

I'll take some 240Z as well. I had a friend that had the newer 280Z 2+2, I never really cared for the longer look of it. He wrecked head on passing a car, and his girlfriend that was with him to this day has jacked up hips. They make great autocross cars.

@? As for the jokes about 25% or 50% bigger, lol. (I think that was actually somebody else instead of you, but I won't make any accusations.) Like I say, I like a 6'4 bed, as others like 6'6" beds. If it was all about size of a truck, I could get a Ram Mega cab with a 8 foot bed, or Tundra with doublecab with 8' bed. No thanks. But when a little midsizer can't fit much in the bed (been there with a Dakota quad cab) and I find myself using a trailer for the simplist of things, then it's time to rethink it. As for the people that don't think a longer wheelbase will tow better, maybe they can look at manufactures ratings, instead of listening to some "neighbor".

@TRX4 Tom--Once you get heated leather seats you will never want to go back. I have been driving my Isuzu the last couple of weeks and the heated seats are nice. I engaged my 4 wheel drive the first time this season last week, I didn't really need it but it needed to be engaged and it is nice to have it when the roads are not completely clear. Crewcabs are nice but most have smaller beds. I think most of the full size trucks will get lighter frames, hoods, and other body components along with more efficient engines and transmissions to meet fuel standards. I don't necessarily think that they need to shrink full size but they really don't need to get them any bigger. My Isuzu appears to have a slightly bigger bed than the Ridgeline or the crewcab Tacoma (my Isuzu is the same as a Colorado/Canyon).

@Jeff: another good thing about your paid truck...well, because it's older, personal property tax.

I don't do as bad as some states, but it is a thought.

I looked and looked for Fords in my area with a crewcab and 6.5 bed, it was either I found only one or none at four dealerships, and three of them were good sized dealerships.

I look at the typical crewcab Ford, and it's just a bit wider then the Dakota I was in, and maybe 2 inches longer.

But I didn't like the fact that in 2010 an F-150 only had 1st, 2nd, and drive, and tow haul. I wanted to be able to hold it in any gear, like the 2009 and up Rams, and I believe 2007 and up Tundras.

I totally agree they sure don't need to make them bigger. As far as width andthings like that. They are as long as they need to be, given whatever cab/or bed configeration a person needs.

If they shorten the nose in front of the tires, and make more aero, and keep current cab and bed sizes, that works for me.

If I had stuff in the back of the Ridgeline and had a flat, I would be hating unloading it to get the spare out.

I will probably do the heated seats next time, and get electric seats on the passenger side. I am not getting younger. I think some people might be afraid to get into a well optioned truck, cause they might like it, and would be always thinking what if? So they act like alot of the stuff is useless.

Why compare numbers between ram V6 and Ford 150 ecoboost
when the 2 pick up trucks don't carry the same trailer load?
More, the 2 trailers were different in their form, the one behind the ford is wider and much less aerodynanic.

@TRX4 Tom--My wife and I went to the Auto Expo in Cincinnati and the leather interiors on most of the cars and trucks have gotten much nicer. Ford, Ram, and even some of the GMs have a really nice rich color of dark brown leather seats. I would highly recommend heated leather seats on any newer car or truck you buy in the future, it is an option well worth the money. The Rams really have some nice leather interiors. I tend to keep my vehicles 10 years or more and I am old enough now that the cost is not as important as the comfort. In the long run you get every dollar back in comfort and satisfaction. I would like to see the cooled seat option and heated steering wheel option added to more vehicles as well. The electric passenger seat are nice as well, both the Taurus and the Isuzu have both and the Isuzu reclines electrically as well and even has a lumbar support in both front bucket seats. My Isuzu is kind of like a Hummer 3 or a Cadillac it has everything including foglights, built in tow hitch with power outlet on bumper, auto dim mirror with digital compass and outside temperature displayed on mirror. Many of the new trucks have even more comforts and gadgets and make my truck look stripped, but I am happy for now.

@jean granger: I agree, and the Ecoboost wasn't even the 3.73 geared, it was 3.55, so they weren't towing at their max weight per vehicle. That Ford coulda had 1500 pounds or so more.

@TRX4 Tom--I don't know where you live but in Kentucky where I live they access your license renewal with the value of the vehicle. They will nail you on the personal property tax.

@TRX4 Tom
Do you spend time at home?

You do towing most weekends because you race.

Then you test drive all pickups for a hobby.

What is your purpose?



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