2013 Nissan NV200: First Drive

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By Matt Stone
Photos by the author and courtesy Nissan

If you've ever visited foreign countries, you've likely noticed unfamiliar nifty compact pickups and vans and wondered, "Why don't they sell that in the U.S?"

That's a good question, one which carmakers have begun asking themselves, especially when it comes to vans. It used to be that the U.S. van market tendered a wide variety of sizes and powertrain/economy offerings. Vans sold here were available with six-cylinder engines (cheaper to buy and, in most cases, cheaper to run) and of course there was always the four-cylinder VW, short on power but easy on gas.

Over time, the more economically minded offerings all grew larger or went away, giving us the seriously capable half-ton, three-quarter ton and one-ton full-sized models we have today. These vans can hold, haul and do nearly anything, but in some cases they're more than what's needed for a given job or too expensive. A passenger-car-based minivan with blacked-out windows just doesn't do the same work that a proper commercial van can.

Ford kicked the compact commercial van door open a few years back with the Transit Connect, its four-cylinder, front-wheel-drive van built and sold in other parts of the world. That affordable "little van that can" has proven to be a strong seller, and now Nissan has jumped into the fray with the philosophically similar NV200. Contrary to a common misheld belief, the NV200 is not a reconstituted Renault Kangoo. According to Peter Bedrosian, Nissan's senior manager of product planning, it was conceived and born as a Nissan all the way, and although smaller versions of it are sold in the global market, it's not a rebadged Renault. With the advent of its sturdy full-sized NV 1500/2500/3500 cargo vans, Nissan has demonstrated its commitment to the van business in North America, and the compact NV200 is merely the next step.

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The NV covers about the same physical footprint as the Transit Connect and Ram C/V, boasting a worthwhile 1,500-pound maximum payload capacity and 122.7 cubic feet of cargo volume; fuel mileage is a claimed to be best in class at 24 mpg combined. Like the Ford and Ram, the NV is front-wheel drive, offering one powertrain, the familiar 2.0-liter Nissan DOHC four-cylinder that does yeoman duty in the compact Nissan Sentra. The engine's power curve has been retuned slightly, and it offers a credible 131 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, shifting through a continuously variable transmission specifically designed for smoother operation and maximum fuel economy. There is no manual transmission, nor is all-wheel drive offered. Torque is 139 pounds-feet at 4,800 revolutions.

What really wins points is the NV's array of clever features. Nissan rightly assessed that the small business owners who will buy and drive a compact cargo van like the NV200 practically live in their vehicles for several hours at a time, so Nissan made it comfortable and mobile-office friendly. There are several power points for charging devices, and the center console will hold full-sized file folders. The seats, although certainly not plush, are comfy and sturdy, and feature vinyl wear patches on the lower outside bolsters to protect against fabric chafing. The low load floor is flat, there is a sliding door on each side and wide-opening barn doors at the rear, so access is nearly unrestricted. The metal framing inside the cargo area is filled with "weld nuts" to which a wide variety of brackets, shelving or pre-made paneling can be affixed. Additionally, the front passenger seat folds flat to create a work surface, perfect for setting up your laptop when your van is serving as your mobile office or conference room.

You couldn't ask for a nicer driving van. The small wheel and tire combination and car chassis make for a smooth and quiet ride. The engine is willing but not thrilling, as it offers just enough power to do the job. We should add that the NV200 does not have a tow rating because of the light-duty nature of the chassis, which is designed to carry loads rather than pull them. We're seldom fans of CVTs, especially in work-duty vehicles, but this one works pretty well. It does take some getting used to (the engine will seem a little buzzier than usual for first-timers), but we like that it lets the engine wind up into its powerband, then feeds the power to the ground in a relatively punchy and efficient manner. The NV handles nicely; it never feels top heavy, offers a smooth, relatively quiet cargo-friendly ride and seems to have plenty strong braking (discs in front, drum in back). Finally, on our drive, the structure seemed impressively sturdy with no creaks, squeaks or rattles from the side doors as we cruised around town on open highways.

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It's our guess the NV200 sales will ramp up slowly, most likely coinciding with the growing economy, but it won't help that these little vans will be sold only at Nissan commercial outlets instead of regular dealerships. We're guessing that could change. Also, we'd like to see more versions of the little van become available, like one with a taller roof, maybe a heavy-duty spring package and still another with just a single sliding door (now all NV200 vans must have sliding doors on both sides of the vehicle). Regardless, this looks to be a good start.

There are two trim levels available, S and SV, with several options including a fully integrated navigation system, cruise control and hands-free Bluetooth. The well-equipped SV level van we spent the most time in is base priced at $21,825 (including destination), and bottom lined at $23,060, which included nav, Bluetooth and satellite radio. The NV200 is currently on sale.

Look for more test data and driving impressions when we get this new Nissan NV200 in-house for a comparison test with its two rivals.

For the most up-to-date press release on this compact cargo van, click here.

For the most up-to-date specifications on the NV200, click here.

For a Nissan-generated comparison video, see below. 

  

 

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Comments

Is it true that Chevy is going to rebadge this Nissan to sell at Chevy dealers?

I'd buy one and put an air matress in the back, save money on hotels after that hot night out with the ladies.

I think Chevy would be better off just keeping the Express then going with that thing in the pictures above. Would not be the coolest van to roll in for making the rounds around town.

This will not replace the express, this is a small van that GM will be bringing in, they will still have a full size.

@MatthewJohn,

Yes, it is true. GM to rebadge Nissan's small commercial vans for Chevy.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20130514/OEM04/130519953#axzz2Yl27nT2D

and this.....

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/10/gm-to-sell-rebranded-peugeot-vans-in-us/

This looks like a nice van. Would be great for a custom conversion. Since we are on the topic of vans, what ever happened to the mini vans? If what is considered a mini van now, would it not be more correct to change the name to maxi van? Oh wait didn't Dodge use to call their large vans Maxi Vans?

The return of the minivan; now as a cargo van and small bus instead of a family car.

Interesting as now the minivan is taking the exact reverse route of the old full-sized cargo vans that got customized into people haulers. Who know? Maybe we'll start seeing custom-painted Elkhart™ Vans again--only smaller.

Looks like GMC will come late to the party with a Eurovan. Those saying that GMC is the last bastion of old school vans are in for a surprise.
The Euro's are coming........The Euro's are coming................

The last true North American product is the full sized pickup.

I wonder how long that will last?

@JeffS, Vulpine - minivans are falling out of favour due to the stigma of the soccer mom. Nothing sexy or interesting about them and people are still hung up on showing social status. A minivan sends the message that you have a ton of kids and aren't fashionable. A high end minivan looks no different than a base model.My wife felt that pressure from her friends when we went shopping for a new vehicle. All of the small SUV's were too small and the mid-sized SUV's were too expensive and lacked versatility.
The funny thing is that with pickups, you can get trim levels that show social status and hide the "soccer mom/dad" stigma because it is a truck. My wife has a few friends with pickups and has decided she'd like one. We have absolutely no reason for another truck other than the fact that she feels compelled to keep up with the Jone's.

There is one comment that I don't necessarily agree with that the author wrote;

" giving us the seriously capable half-ton, three-quarter ton and one-ton full-sized models we have today"

I do think this comment is misleading. There are offerings that are as capable and more economical to use just like this van outside of the NA market. I think the author should have written we have vehicle that are as capable as this vehicle but are not as economical to operate.

This van can come with a 1.5 litre turbo diesel and is giving over 40mpg whilst having a load capacity in the 1/2 ton pickup range. This you will not see in the NA market.

A cargo version of this van is penalised if it is imported into the US and that would be a reason why it will come as a passenger vehicle and not a commercial vehicle.

Again, the US is getting a vehicle, but it is restrained by tariffs and regulations. This means you do not get the best this vehicle has to offer.

Please don't take this as anti American, I'm just pointing out facts that impact the US market.

@Lou
We have to look at the initial intention of this vehicle's design.

Was it designed as a passenger or commercial van?

It is good to see some vans like this enter into the US market, but I don't think it will be very successful.

It would be more successful as a commercial delivery van for a small business in urban areas.

@Big Al from Oz - as you have pointed out, if it is "imported", it will be brought in as a passenger vehicle. That does dumb down the utility side of the vehicle. Companies are willing to pay the 2.5% tariff but not 25% chicken tax.

As far as what the author said.........a journalist isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him by saying, "NA designed/built vans are woefully outdated and extremely inefficient."

If the domestic vans were great, they wouldn't be replaced by the Eurovans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:27 PM


@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:08:30 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:17:55 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:04 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:13 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:22 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:39 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:18:47 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:19:29 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Jul 11, 2013 4:20:17 PM

@Lou
Having just spent a couple of weeks in Paris at several of my cousins' places I found that this style of vehicle was used moving larger numbers of people around as a 'taxi' to and from hotels and airports.

The funny thing is GM wants to bring in the Pueguot van badged as a GM into the US. But in Paris most of these style of vehicles were VW, Hyundai and Mercedes. Very, very few of the French vans did I see.

I found that interesting.

Also, Nissan had large vans, rear wheel drive, but they were re-badged Renault vans.

@Lou
Sorry, what can I say.

Obviously someone doesn't like my commentary.

@Frank,

Nissan/Renault/GM are racist..this van BLACK !! According to you ,anything black is racist.

@Frank,

If GM uses the Peugeot Van,GM and Chrysler will both sell the exact same van !!!

Fiat makes the Peugeot Van..The RAM ProMaster is the same van as the Peugeot !

Truly an odd world !

@ Jeff S.

The Dodge full size vans were not all called a Maxi-Van,only the fully extended ones were..

They had 3 lengths,shorty,medium and then the Maxi-Van,like Ford's Super Van,not all Econolines were called Super Vans just the extended ones.With the long rear overhang.


Dodge had these 3 lengths of vans from 1971-2003,only the Extended version (dark blue) was called a Maxi-Van.
http://www.autominded.net/brochure/dodge/Dodge%20Ram%201984%200203.jpg

@Big Block - Nissan is most likely going to use an I4 Cummins in their next Titan. Ram also uses Cummins. I do think that the Cummins in the Ram will eventually be replaced by a Fiat diesel.

Why doesn't GMC use Vauxhall vans as they already own them?

@BAFO - This van has one purpose. It's a cargo van, which is fine, but 1/2 ton pickup aimed at hauling cargo is good for 3,100+ lbs payload, but has a tremendous towing, 5th wheel advantage.

I like the little van segment, but 24 combined MPG is good, not great. But you'd be lucky to get 1/2 that MPG loaded with 1,500 lbs. But absolutely nobody would buy one to constantly haul 1,500 lbs. Would you?

I'm not knocking it, like you knock US pickup for some unknown reason. Just bring you back to reality.

I'll be made/sold in Mexico so I'm curious how the Chicken tax would affect it. The Chicken tax, and regulations would NOT affect it even if it WAS made in Japan (or elsewhere), obviously, but what are "the best vehicle has to offer" that we would possibly miss out on?

@BigAl from Oz - it all depends on where the Nissan NV200 is made and imported from. Nissan has factories building this van in various parts of the world. Nissan makes the USA one in Mexico and that puts it under NAFTA. They would not need to do what Ford does with the Transit Connect which comes from Turkey. The 25% Chicken tax keeps Ford from importing the cargo version directly into the USA.
What is your experience with the Vauxhall van? It probably is cheaper for GM to contract with Nissan for a small van then get the Vauxhall vans certified for the USA. They'd have to build it somewhere that was chicken tax exempt or do what Ford does.

@Lou
In all honesty these vans overall seem quite well made and reliable.

They are used to constantly haul in Europe and Asia and they are cheap on fuel. Unlike Australia and NA, the Euro and Asian small/light commercials seem to work more and aren't used a daily drivers.

That's why I laugh at the comment made by the dead person regarding what a commercial vehicle can do.

We mainly have Ford, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, VW, Mercedes (from Korea). I have yet to see a small GM FWD van.

Are the Vauxhalls rebadged Fiats?

The odd thing I saw in Europe was the large Nissan vans the size of the large Iveco vans. They would work in the US.

This time in Europe I took a lot of photos of primarily commercial vehicles and how they work them. I would love to set up some kind of website so everyone can look at my photos from around the world of commercial vehicles.

A bit of tongue in cheek humour.

Here is a 1/2 ton Ford with one of those 3 100lb payloads.


http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/27801.jpg

@Lou
Here is a Korean truck that is the best seller in its segment in Australia, not many sold.

It is the size of this NV200, but a flatbed Kia. Kia also has this vehicle as a van and people mover.

It has up to a 1740kg or over 3 700lb payload, this is definitely in HD territory. It uses a 2.9 litre turbo diesel that is not as powerful as our midsize engines.

It can turn in about 32 feet. The flatbed is 10' long and about 5' wide.

This would be great in large cities and for the farm and construction.

It isn't a daily driver as its a work vehicle.

This is slightly smaller than the Fiats, Transits, VW etc. Probably the Asian equivalent.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D828ADE5BCD8F7B4CA25740800821D3D

@Lou--Yes minivans have fallen out of favor much like bow ties and pocket protectors. They are a very practical vehicle and family oriented. When my wife and I were looking at vehicles last year we test drove a Buick Enclave which was around 52k with everything on it. Beautiful vehicle but for most it is way too expensive. For my wife it was way too big and too tall. I see a lot of Enclaves in my neighborhood along with Lexus, Traverses, and Toyota and Honda minivans.

As for the Nissan van many of these will be sold for commercial purposes, which DM says are cheapskates. If enough of these vans are sold Nissan will make money even selling them at a discount. I don't know too many businesses, particularly large businesses that will not ask for an additional discount when they buy several vehicles at the same time. Anytime I buy anything in a larger quantity I ask for an additional discount but then what I would buy in a larger quantity would be much smaller in size and price in comparison to a van or truck. I guess I am a cheapskate as well for trying to get a break for buying volume. I would much rather GM get vans from Nissan than from PSA.

@Big Al--The picture of the Ford, just add more rust and more dents, bungee cords on the tailgate and hood, and duck tape on the mirrors and windows and you have an Appalachian special. If not wood in the bed old junk or several engine blocks. There are many old pickups like that in Eastern Kentucky. The one in your picture would be considered a real cherry and lightly used.

While I'm not disagreeing with you, Lou, you have to remember that the full-sized cargo van became the highly stylized custom vans for many and eventually led into the Class B motorhome (of which you can still find them being built today, though most now have raised roofs and lengthened bodies due to extensive fiberglass bodywork in place of the old sheet metal.)

I do believe it's possible that the minivan will return as a semi-popular custom rig, in the same way as those older full-sized rigs did. Lacking the extensive glass and redesigning the interior similar to a pop-up camper with little porthole windows in the rear quarters--especially with the rear-view cameras eliminating the need for glass at the back door/hatch--could totally change that soccer-mom look and make them desirable again. Meanwhile, the SUV is now the soccer-mom vehicle and the pickup truck is quickly headed in that direction; replacing the SUV as demonstrated by the drastic fall in full-sized SUV sales.

@Big Al: I can't tell if you're serious or just being sarcastic. "Are the Vauxhalls rebadged Fiats?" just about made me laugh out loud, as even here in the States people know that Vauxhall is Opel (at least, those who watch UK's Top Gear show).

Still, one point here that a lot of American commenters on this site aren't willing to accept is that smaller IS coming, it's only a matter of time. Yes, we'll also be seeing the bigger Euro-vans as well, but those will almost exclusively be relegated to cargo-van duties and Class B and C motorhomes while the smaller ones will fill a niche for those businesses that simply don't need the space of a larger van or don't want to spend as much money as those larger vans cost.

Either way, the RWD van is about to disappear as the FWD offers a lower load floor and usually better economy than their American-designed predecessors. Ford and Chrysler have already dropped their traditional vans, Ford importing the Transit Connect from Turkey (at least until they retool an American plant) and Chrysler converting the Caravan into a cargo van while both import larger models from Europe. Of course, both these models readily offer themselves for conversion to all-electric by again having such a flat, low floor and lighter overall weight. With the typical range of an all-electric soon to exceed 100 miles and for some maybe even 200 miles, they perfectly fit the need for delivery and service vehicles within metropolitan areas.

@Vulpine--I see a van like this Nissan as being like an open canvas that you could customize it similar to how the larger vans are customized. If these were customized then I could see them become a soccer mom favorite and a suburban staple. Lower floor, not as big, fuel economy not great but respectable, easier to park, and with front wheel drive better in the snow. I am starting to see a trend away from larger pickups in the suburbs and more into the crossovers of all sizes. Large pickups are not going away but they are not as popular in the suburbs as they were 5 to 6 years ago.

Many crossover/SUVs will see a downfall when smaller pickup trucks return to the States. There's at least some chance that the bigger ones will see some decline as well, simply because those big trucks can't fit in most new home garages and many newer subdivisions in suburban America won't allow big trucks to sit in the driveway or yard where it can be seen from the street or even by next-door neighbors.

I don't think we'll see the return of the minivan as a family car any time soon, but as a single's "love machine" or a micro-motorhome it still has some potential. Then again, the plain--often blacked-out full-sized van developed a reputation as a "snatch"-mobile and "stalker-mobile".

@Vulpine--The Nissan and Ford Transit are not the same as the minivans of the past. The Chrysler minivans were originally intended as family vehicles and never really caught on commercially. The Ford Transit has caught on with businesses and even though it is front wheel drive and smaller it is similar to the Econoline vans of the past in concept. With no side or back windows and just a plain cargo bed these could be customized by the custom van builders. Add a few side windows, captains chairs with nice carpet, and a LED TV with Blu-ray and you have a mini conversion van. Put a custom paint job with graphics and they would look nice, not nearly as boring as a Sienna or Odyssey. I could see a custom van builder make something to where a family could use one of these everyday and then have a nice travel vehicle.

@JeffS, @Vulpine
I am seeing more Sprinter based motorhomes and they look much more fluid and integrated than the old E series style of motorhome.

@Vulpine
The NV 200 is based on a Nissan platform.

The Vauxhaul is based on a Renault platform according to Wikipedia. Vauxhaul does have a Fiat Diablo based van.

I find it odd then that GM will use a Nissan as a base and not the Opel/Renault based platform. The Renault/Opel are a joint venture vehicle, so why did GM Detroit go with the Nissan based vehicle?

The NV 200 appears to be more of an Asian vehicle, that said the NV 200 is supposed to be made in the UK. Which is odd again considering Vauxhall already have the Renault/Opel van. There must be a simple explanation.

But Nissan and Renault are almost one of the same at the end of the day..

The cut and paste below is on the Euro Vauxhall/Opel/Renault platform (nothing to do with the NV 200).


'The Renault Trafic, Nissan Primastar and Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro are rebadged light commercial vans created from a joint venture. Previous versions of the Renault Trafic have been sold by Chevrolet and the original generation is now sold in India by Tata Motors.
Opel have confirmed that they will produce the next generation Vivaro at the GM Manufacturing Luton plant in 2013.[1]'

@Vulpine
The NV 200 is based on a Nissan platform.

The Vauxhaul is based on a Renault platform according to Wikipedia. Vauxhaul does have a Fiat Diablo based van.

I find it odd then that GM will use a Nissan as a base and not the Opel/Renault based platform. The Renault/Opel are a joint venture vehicle, so why did GM Detroit go with the Nissan based vehicle?

The NV 200 appears to be more of an Asian vehicle, that said the NV 200 is supposed to be made in the UK. Which is odd again considering Vauxhall already have the Renault/Opel van. There must be a simple explanation.

But Nissan and Renault are almost one of the same at the end of the day..

The cut and paste below is on the Euro Vauxhall/Opel/Renault platform (nothing to do with the NV 200).


'The Renault Trafic, Nissan Primastar and Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro are rebadged light commercial vans created from a joint venture. Previous versions of the Renault Trafic have been sold by Chevrolet and the original generation is now sold in India by Tata Motors.
Opel have confirmed that they will produce the next generation Vivaro at the GM Manufacturing Luton plant in 2013.[1]'

@Vulpine
The NV 200 is based on a Nissan platform.

The Vauxhaul is based on a Renault platform according to Wikipedia. Vauxhaul does have a Fiat Diablo based van.

I find it odd then that GM will use a Nissan as a base and not the Opel/Renault based platform. The Renault/Opel are a joint venture vehicle, so why did GM Detroit go with the Nissan based vehicle?

The NV 200 appears to be more of an Asian vehicle, that said the NV 200 is supposed to be made in the UK. Which is odd again considering Vauxhall already have the Renault/Opel van. There must be a simple explanation.

But Nissan and Renault are almost one of the same at the end of the day..

The cut and paste below is on the Euro Vauxhall/Opel/Renault platform (nothing to do with the NV 200).


'The Renault Trafic, Nissan Primastar and Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro are rebadged light commercial vans created from a joint venture. Previous versions of the Renault Trafic have been sold by Chevrolet and the original generation is now sold in India by Tata Motors.
Opel have confirmed that they will produce the next generation Vivaro at the GM Manufacturing Luton plant in 2013.[1]'

@Vulpine
The NV 200 is based on a Nissan platform.

The Vauxhaul is based on a Renault platform according to Wikipedia. Vauxhaul does have a Fiat Diablo based van.

I find it odd then that GM will use a Nissan as a base and not the Opel/Renault based platform. The Renault/Opel are a joint venture vehicle, so why did GM Detroit go with the Nissan based vehicle?

The NV 200 appears to be more of an Asian vehicle, that said the NV 200 is supposed to be made in the UK. Which is odd again considering Vauxhall already have the Renault/Opel van. There must be a simple explanation.

But Nissan and Renault are almost one of the same at the end of the day..

The cut and paste below is on the Euro Vauxhall/Opel/Renault platform (nothing to do with the NV 200).


'The Renault Trafic, Nissan Primastar and Opel/Vauxhall Vivaro are rebadged light commercial vans created from a joint venture. Previous versions of the Renault Trafic have been sold by Chevrolet and the original generation is now sold in India by Tata Motors.
Opel have confirmed that they will produce the next generation Vivaro at the GM Manufacturing Luton plant in 2013.[1]'

@Lou,
"I am seeing more Sprinter based motorhomes and they look much more fluid and integrated than the old E series style of motorhome. "
Having a bit of discussion on a RV site about that and other aspects of the Sprinter E series Van. I said:
" You have to wonder why Ford/GM and Chrysler are replacing their US built vehicles with either European sourced or designed vehicles?? Why no US designed replacements and why was the Econoline not used as a replacement for the Transit for heavier use vehicles and exported? "

Listen up Rob.

As with the previous generation Transit, part of the development of the current version was done by Ford in the United States.

The current version was unveiled at the 2013 at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

The American spec version will be more truckier than the Euro version and has EcoBoost.

The interior drew cues from the Ford Focus.

Sourcing: North American production of the Transit will be sourced from Kansas City Assembly in Claycomo, Missouri on the lines used for the previous generation Ford Escape.

I have to question why you credit Euro for everything. It is like you are trying to credit everything to non-Americans.

For me, it's all Ford so what difference does it make?

Engines are different, too.

Diesel engines
2.2L Duratorq TDCi I4 (Euro only)
2.4L Duratorq TDCi I4 (Euro only) - small diesels are Euro only
3.2L Duratorq/Power Stroke TDCi I5 (All markets)
- US will only deal with the bigger baby PS Diesel
Gas engines
2.3L Duratec I4 (Europe only) - small gas Euro only
3.7L Cyclone V6 (North America only) - US from the F-150
3.5L EcoBoost V6 (North America only) - US from the F-150

I question why you think everything is Euro when even the last gen Transit was co-developed by Ford in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/automobiles/rough-road-ahead-but-a-robot-driver-takes-it-in-stride.html?smid=tw-share

Ford Transit 2000-06 generation
"The next Transit, introduced in July 2000, was the third all-new design, and borrowed styling cues from Ford's "New Edge" designs like the Focus, and Ka. Developed by Ford in the United States"

2014-present
"As with the previous generation, part of the development was done by Ford in the United States."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit



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