HitchAnything Shares Information About How People Tow

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Our friends at HitchAnything.com sent us some information they collected from their patrons. In December HitchAnything conducted a survey open to its regular customers who tow; we thought you might want to see the results.

While it's not the most scientific survey, it offers some pretty good information about Cummins, Power Stroke and Duramax fuel economy and fuel costs when those engines are used to tow. The survey even asked regular half-ton and midsize pickup truck owners a few questions as well. See the info graphic below.


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I think that people should take this survey with a grain of salt, as the numbers can varry drasticly baised on tow vehicle and trailler combinations, i have a feeling that an Honda Element does not tow the same weight as an tundra,

One needs to remember that some of these motors have had several versions, mainly the GM 5.3l, 5.7l hemi and ford 5.4l have both come in 3 different body styles each, all have been paird to several diffrent transmissions, inaddtion to up dates, the 5.3 went from a 4 speed to a 6 speed, and to the new ecotech arcitecture, the 5.7 went from 4 to 6 and then to 8 speed transmisions, the 5.4 randes fromm 2 valves to 4 and has been matted to two diffrent 4 speed and a 6 speed transmission.
The the graph is miss leading in that it says the ecoboost gets the best towing mpg over the 5.3 but it doesnt say what was towed or which 5.3 its being compared to i know it would dominate the 5.3 with 4 speed that i had in economy but according to the shootout the 5.3 ecotech bested the ecoboost in trailerd fuel economy with comparable trailers.

By calling the 5.8L (351W) a triton I think they dont know that they are talking about.

Unscientific indeed. Fuelly.com has much better data, often there are notes to tell how much is being towed, city, hiway use.

Not buying some of these numbers at all. I have owned 2 Duramax diesels, one with 35" tires and one with 37's. even in that configuration they blew away the figures they are listing here.

If this information comes from Customer calculations then it's hard to trust. A lot of people I talk to about fuel economy just make their numbers up (nicer than saying they lie right?). It's amazing how someone's lie can make my the fuel economy in my little pickup look bad.

Including models like a "Chevrolet Sierra 3500"?

Calling Ford's 351W a "Triton"?

Even including the old, OLD 351M engine (not used in Fords since the early 80's)?

Considering a Honda Element (compact crossover) as part of the same class as these compact-up-to-full-size trucks?

These guys know less than _I_ do about gathering viable towing data. And l know practically nothing!

'While it's not the most scientific survey'? try not scientific at all. A significant percentage of customers are ignorant to plain stupid about vehicles especially when it come to trucks and towing.

Example 1:
A neighbor of mine bought a travel trailer and was using his 2004 Chevy 2500 4x4 with a 6.0 gas engine to tow it. A few months later he traded his Chevy for a Ford Super Duty with a Power Stroke. Now he tells people when it comes up that the Chevy was a good truck but gutless and can't hold a candle to his Ford. Well no S&#t your comparing a gas vs diesel. I honestly don't know think he knows the Duramax exists.

Example 2:
Coworker has a travel trailer and a boat that he pulled with his 2007 Nissan Titan. He came into work gripping one Monday PO'd that he burned his transmission up at 65,000 miles. He went on and on about how big of a piece of crap his Nissan was. A few weeks later I went with him to trailer a car back from his parents house and holy hell. The guys only had to speeds, all out go or face in the dash stop. we're talking cruise set on 80 down interstate and no working trailer brakes. I can't believe the trans lasted as long as it did.

So, please forgive me if I don't take the average of a bunch of nut bags story seriously.

Where is Mike Sweers and his fanbois Tundra Headquarters to tell us that the Tundra gets the same mpg as everybody else according to consumer reports. The 2013 2wd Tundra 14/18 and the 2014 2wd Tundra 13/18. That survey was about as bad as this one most likely.

I don't believe the Duramax would be significantly worse than the Power Stroke or Cummins when it comes to mpgs. There would be trivial differences only.

I think pickuptrucks.com should look at the data before posting information. I'm not logging on to this site as much anymore because most of the influence is poor.


two things.........
1. my 02 2500 hd ext. cab long bed duramax with 35's averages 15 all around. on long trips on highway at 75mph it gets 17mpg

2. my 2010 crew max tundra averages 14 ALL city. on long trips on the highway it gets 19.5 running 75 mph. the WORST my truck has ever done was with 22's running a 305/45/22 which is a 33" tire TOWING an 8000lb load at 80+ from chicago to cincinnati (company was paying gas) i still got 11.3.

Moral of the story is this tests is COMPLETELY BOGUS as i use both my trucks and neither one gets anywhere near as bad as these numbers.

@ AD

it doesnt get the same, it gets BETTER.

Interesting results. Any links or information explaining the study?

I am surprised by the Duramax mpg results.

The Ecoboost results go against what rival fanboys state. Most kept saying that it was bad under load. This indicates that it is the best.

I do agree that there are errors that cast doubt upon the report. Some have already pointed out errors.

They have GM's 4.2 inline 6 on there. WTF?

@Lou_BC: Good grief! Another one I didn't even catch! The last inline-6 in a GM product (not counting the Atlas I6 in the Trailblazer) was the 292 cu. in. in what, 1984? And that's 4.8 L in metric. The engine they're referring to, I think, was the 4.3 V6. They couldn't get even the displacement right!

In all seriousness, PUTC, did you guys even bother fact-checking this at all?

Addendum: And know I see that they listed Nissan's 4.0 V6 as an inline 6 as well. What the hell?

Seriously this is terrible info. No way it is accurate based on what I have seen personally and from owners I know. The duramax is not that far behind in economy if at all.

"The the graph is miss leading in that it says the ecoboost gets the best towing mpg over the 5.3 but it doesnt say what was towed or which 5.3 its being compared to i know it would dominate the 5.3 with 4 speed that i had in economy but according to the shootout the 5.3 ecotech bested the ecoboost in trailerd fuel economy with comparable trailers."

There are way too many holes in that date to make it meaningful.

Who cares about towing MPG on a half ton truck? Most half ton buyers spend maybe 5% of their miles towing.

This articles compares apples to oranges along with all other fruit. And their figures are not even close to what I have experienced over the last 10 years on the road as a transporter.

AD - Just pretend this is whatever fanboi comment you need me to say.

Then, when you're done complaining about whatever it is you wanted me to say, you can share some relevant data with us that proves your point.

OH WAIT - you can't. The fact is, a new Tundra, a new Ram, a new GM, and a new F150 all get about the same damn mileage in the real world despite all the extras each may or may not have. Funny, isn't it? Could it be that Ram and Ford are selling their customers a bill of goods with EcoBoost and 8 speeds?

Just because something does better on the EPA cycle test, they expect us to pay a premium. BOO!

I'm really wondering how the Honda Element got listed as a tow vehicle. What do they tow behind that thing?

Most of you are touting how your trucks bet better fuel mileage, but I have to ask: Are you towing when you get that mileage? A little reading comprehension tells us these people are claiming TOWING fuel economy, not empty, so naturally some of their numbers will be lower than you're claiming IF you're talking empty mileage. Others of you are complaining the other way, that they're getting less than the listed mileage and there again we simply don't know how much they're towing, though at least there we have somewhat of a reference chart. Still, when you take that Honda Element into consideration--how many bets it wasn't even towing 1,000#?

Personally, there's simply too much data missing here to make any valid conclusions.

RoadWhale™ I can give you one real world example of towing mpg with diesels. We took a trip crossing two state lines pulling close to the same weight in a Duramax with 35" tires and a 5.9 Cummins with 33" tires. We kept track of our fuel mileage for fun and we were within 0.5 mpg of each other with the slight edge going to the Dmax. A year later we took the same trip with the same load in a friends 6.0 Powerstroke with 37" tires and he got 2.5 mpg less. While certainly not scientific I think it shows the data here is suspect at best.

@Hemi lol: maybe you should loan them your Tundra for a test, because they never get good mileage out of them. Maybe they just get better mileage when a salesman drives them?

The last two shootouts, the Tundra was back of the pack!

19 mpg they didn't get from a 4x2, at lower speeds.

@Jason Lancaster: It's funny you say the Fords and Rams are just selling stuff, didn't both get better mileage then the Tundra in the LD Shootout 6 months ago? And the 30 K shootout? Can't break 18 mpg, hmmmm, it's that their EPA rating? Maybe with the 4.1 gears....

But then again, Toyota got it's ass handed to them in the last shootout by the 8 speed Ram, and the Ecoboost.

Yup, just selling stuff that makes no difference!

Love how the Tundra boys are in denial!

That or they claim "fuel economy doesn't matter, it's for cars" because they have no player when it comes to good mileage.

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