Ford F-650, F-750 Turn to Power Stroke Diesel Engine

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The biggest power pullers in the Ford Commercial truck lineup — the new-for-2016 F-650 and F-750 pickups — will drop the Cummins/Allison engine and transmission option in favor of the newly upgraded gen-two 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 diesel and Ford six-speed TorqShift automatic transmission.

The new medium-duty trucks debuted in Indianapolis at the National Truck Equipment Association's Work Truck Show, which runs today through Friday, where Ford is showing off the F-650's and F-750's new interior and exterior design. In fact, some are saying the new trucks look a touch like the old GMC TopKick and Chevrolet Kodiak medium-duty trucks, which were essentially chased out of the market by Ford product domination.

The new F-650 and F-750 will come in three cab designs — regular, SuperCab and crew — and include several segment-exclusive features such as power telescoping and folding tow mirrors, as well as interior reconfigurability. Additionally, the new engine will offer a more aggressive Tow/Haul mode and a new dedicated switch for activating engine braking.

Ford has not released the horsepower and torque numbers for the big trucks, but we'd guess its likely to offer the new engine in various power outputs to accommodate different industries.

To read the full press release, click here.

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I kinda like it. I wonder if fleet customers would go after this with similar enthusiasm vs the DuraStar with the 6.7 Cummins...

I didn't think they would do that but hey when I am wrong I am wrong.

To be honest, the looks are not terrible, except for the mirrors, but I am not keen on a Powerstroke so I am out. Decent looking rig though.

That kills the Ram fanboy argument that Ford uses the Cummins.

I'm sure Nissan will find a place for all of those Cummins engines that Ford and Fiat are not interested in using.

Just a question : Can you get a 12litre engine in one of these, or is the one here a custom version?
http://www.f650australia.com.au/

Notice the 12.9 litre on the Badge.
http://www.f650australia.com.au/#!untitled/zoom/c60z/image6dl

Ford is taking over. Next generation F-150 2015, next geb Medium Duty 2016 , and Super Duty 2017 next summer. All bases covered.

These have manuals in them now. So could this mean the 6.7 powerstroke could get a manual?!!!

I just dug this up on the web this afternoon..

Engine, towing enhancements

Ford Motor Co. says its second-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke V-8 diesel will have 440 horsepower, up from 400, and 860 pound-feet of torque, up from 800. The enhancements are for all 2015 truck models, ranging from the F-250 to F-450, due out this summer.
It is not yet known how the performance will improve on the larger, commercial trucks Ford introduced Tuesday. Ford says towing capacity in the F-350 will improve from 23,200 to 26,700 pounds; in the F-450, it will improve from 24,700 to 31,200 pounds.
Source: Ford Motor Co.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140304/AUTO0102/303040105#ixzz2v2ZeI83c

freedomidi86,

More likely, they'll drop the manual option from the F650/F750. Most fleets want all automatics now.

Either way, nice looking truck. I'd love to see the Superduty with a tilt-nose like these have. It would make maintenance and repairs a lot simpler.

@ Jake - commercial engines tend to be "tuned down" for reliability. It would be more likely that these trucks will have 350 hp as opposed to 440 and I'm guessing under 800lbft torque.

Yea, I agree that they will be de-tuned.. But I just wanted to see if anyone could confirm the hp/tq ratings for the second gen 6.7 which are stated to be 440hp/860tq..

Diesel Power magazine guesses 425/875. I think it will be more like 450/900. But we're all just speculating really. I think Ram is waiting for Ford before making any 2015 announcements.

I much rather have GM trucks but I must admit GM needs to step their game because Ford and Ram aren't bullshiting around.

TopKick and Kodiak chased out of the market by Ford? GM left the market because it wasn't profitable and GM didn't want to spend the money updating them for the 2010 emissions. GM usually sold more class 6 and 7 trucks per year than Ford did for the last 15 or so years. Mark, you really need to check the facts for yourself rather than rely on some Ford marketing shill, it hurts your credibility. Anyway, it is interesting Ford dropped the Cummins from the option list, it is by far the favored medium duty engine with fleets. We see how this one sells.

- I didn't think they would do that but hey when I am wrong I am wrong. -

AD, that makes two of us. I certainly didn't see this coming.

Well...so much for Ford MDT's...down to Fruitliner, IH, and...Hino, maybe? So...who ISN'T using the Bosch CP4 pump?

Mark didn't say one particular class domination. He said Ford PRODUCT domination and is right. Medium duty also includes Class 4/5 full-size pickup entries from Ford which would be 450, Class 5 which will be 550, and Class 6 which would be 650. GM didn't do well here and it was sold off.

"The Kodiak and TopKick had difficulty finding acceptance in the market, competing against Class 4/5 full-size pickup entries from Ford and Dodge and Class 5-7 conventional medium-duty trucks from companies like Hino and International.

GM’s fleet dealers have repeatedly asked for a so-called “black hole” truck – since before the TopKick and Kodiak ended production – to fill the void of a Class 4 product that could compete head-to-head against the Ford F-450 Super Duty and Ram 4500 Chassis Cab trucks.

GM has a rich heritage in medium-duty trucks,” Mark Reuss, president of GM North America, told some of GM’s largest fleet dealers and key commercial customers. “We didn’t do well [with the last trucks] but never say never."

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/05/gm-studying-reentry-into-mediumduty-segment.html

That's all well and good but isn't the topic here class 6 and 7? No arguement GM's Topkick/Kodiak class 4/5 trucks were disadvantaged players, but I can tell you from experiance GM did a much better job than Ford in class 6 and 7 with the Topkick/Kodiak.

"Chief Executive Fritz Henderson told reporters at an event in Warren, Michigan, that the medium-duty truck business had not been successful for years."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/08/news/companies/gm_trucks.reut/index.htm?postversion=2009060812

GM Ends Production of Medium Duty Trucks
Ford and Chrysler have found success in this segment with medium duty pickups and chassis cabs that are closely related to their three-quarter-ton and one-ton pickups.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/08/gm-ends-production-of-medium-duty-trucks.html

Yes, GM was not successful and got chased out of the market by the successful Class 4/5/6/7 trucks of Ford and Ram.

The statement was Ford product: "chased out of the market by Ford product domination."

Maybe GM sold more Class 6, but they weren't successful for years and were chased out.

The 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo engine, starting at 270 horsepower and 600 lb.-ft. of torque, will be offered in 2016 F-650 and F-750 trucks.

I'm surprised Ford wants to keep building the 6.8 V10. I would have thought a 7.0 Boss V8 would have been cheaper and more efficient.

The GM medium dutys were known for their electrical bugs. But I prefer the compact, regular pickup body of the F-450/550. The obvious choice for many operators.

@Alex - The Power Stroke is a $10,000 option over the base V-10. And the V-10 will do the job just fine with a few advantages over diesel.

"Ford is the only medium-duty truck manufacturer that designs and builds its own diesel engine
and transmission combination"

So what do Hino do?

@Alex
A gasoline engine in this size truck wouldn't work to well.

Most of these trucks run 24/7, so the extra money for a diesel will be well spent and return savings.

Plus you will have a far better performing truck.

For most commercial applications whether light or heavy diesel is the best, even in America.

@BAFO- Pretty sure Ford is committed to keeping a gasoline option. It also forms the basis for CNG trucks. A lot of these trucks DON'T see that much mileage, and operatorsare discouraged by the high costs associated with new diesel emissions systems.

@BAF0 - You'd be surprised how well a V-10 performs in big commercial trucks. I was shocked. I wasn't in the market for a used truck, especially not with a gas engine, but I bought a 2 year old F-550 only because it was so cheap. Almost 1/3rd the price of new. It had extremely high miles for a newer truck with signs of abuse/neglect everywhere. A former AAA truck they clearly ran the hell out of, around the clock, 24 hrs a day.

The V-10 and trans were both tired and could use rebuilding, but that's why it was so cheap. I had a Ford 'crate engine' installed for the price of getting just the injectors replaced on my Power Stroke diesel.

The gas V-10 has many advantages over diesels, simplicity and low maintenance comes to mind. And yeah, it pulls very well.

At the same time, the Power Stroke has lots more power than I usually need, but I was disappointed by its marginal fuel economy, high maintenance and reliability issues.


The V-10 has many advantages for many commercial buyers, but a simple test drive would likely cross the diesel off their list. Ram now has a 6.4 V8 as the base engine in 4500/5500 MDTs. For good reason. Myself, I'm done with diesels until OEMs can work out their issues with reliability, fuel economy and emissions complexity. The $10,000 they want for the Power Stroke is ridiculous. No thanks, I'll take the V-10. Or 6.4 if I go with a Ram MDT.

@David L

All bases covered? None of the manufacturers cover all the bases. Ford nor Dodge have a mid size truck, GM doesn't have a medium duty (yet as rumors are they might jump back in).

Nice try...

@Mr Knowitall
The F650 CNG would not work here or in other places outside NA.A 30,000lb Truck would be doing vast distances

I think the gas engine will be good for low speed operation, like at the mines. Also for companies looking to convert to natural gas. Diesel will be better for higher speed and higher mileage operations. I did a google search to see what F750 drivers got for mpgs, and the difference between the gas and diesel engines were not as substantial as many would think. I really want to see Ford implement the hydraulic hybrid system.

@ Putc readers
Doesn't everyone know already that the Australians Robert Ryan and big Al are the end all know all about trucks ? Their knowledge and experience on Australia's roads and social European beliefs give them the right to tell us what we should and should not drive everywhere in the world. All hail the Australians in an American pick up blog.

It just occurred to me this morning, as I was passing a C6500 box truck, that this is more significant for pick-up truck marketing than for a few thousand MD trucks- This lets Ford tout "Every Powerstroke F250 and F350 is powered by the same engine and transmission used in our medium duty trucks"



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