Spied: Curious M-Plated Ford SVT Raptor Part II

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If you're looking for evidence that Ford will produce a second-generation Raptor based on its all-new 2015 F-150, this may be the smoking gun.

We caught this test mule, which combines the aluminum crew cab from the 2015 F-150 with the front and rear sections from the current Ford SVT Raptor. The new kick-up at the truck's C-pillar and the transition between the cab and the front and rear fenders makes it clear that Ford is mixing and matching parts as it begins adapting the Raptor's baja-busting bits to the all-new F-series' platform.

The mule also shows signs of an altered hood:The camouflaged hood is marked by a noteworthy bump in the center. A new grille is also grafted on and sits uncomfortably between the headlights of the current Raptor. The grille behind the camouflage has a mesh finish with a couple of horizontal bars. In this guise, it appears that the bold Ford badge emblazoned on the current Raptor's grille are missing in action, but it's still to early to make any styling determinations about this initial test mule. Ford also has removed the tailgate logos, and there doesn't appear to be any exhaust pipes.

We look forward to getting a closer look at this mule to see what it's really made of underneath. But for now we are pleased to reveal what appears to be clear-cut evidence that a Raptor 2.0 is now a real engineering project that looks destined for production.

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Comments

Nothing to see here, move on! Ford is taking no chances here.

Haven't seen a Raptor with extendable towing mirrors before. That's a new one, unless they just raided the parts bin for the mule.

Those are the new 2015 TT mirrors.

What's the payload. I wanna know the payload for this short bed.

Not as great as the AEV Ram Concept 2500
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/04/aev-ram-concept-struts-its-stuff.html#more

What's the payload?

@Hemi

Payload for SVT Raptor will equal the weight of ONE four-wheeler assuming that nobody is riding in the truck cab.

If the driver's wife isn't too fat, they can put a couple of dirt bikes in the back.

Typical Raptor customer might pull the boat to the lake, but not loading lumber, pallets of shingles or sod.

So, remember Payload equals one off road toy or two bikes (unless wife is fat).

What's the Payload on the 2014 Power Wagon?
UP TO 1,409

What's the Payload on the 2014 Raptor?
UP TO 1,180.

What's the Payload on the 2016 Raptor?
1,400-1500 estimated

With the 600 to 700 lb weight reduction on the 2015 F-150, the Raptor should gain in payload and best the Power Wagon.

Power Wagon lost much of its payload due to the coil springs.

How Ford Motor Company Will Fight Back Against Chrysler's Ram.

Ram pickups have been selling like hotcakes -- up 23% so far this year. Meanwhile, Ford's F-Series line is up less than 4%.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/10/how-ford-motor-company-will-fight-back-against-chr.aspx

Raptor tow rating. 6,000 lbs

Power wagon tow rating. 10,810 lbs

2014 Raptor tow rating 8,000 lbs.
SuperCrew

2014 Power Wagon tow rating 10,810 lbs.
SuperCrew

I'm not all that impressed with the looks. I would rather give my hard earned money to a company that is reinvesting it's profits in America and the American people:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/chrysler-group-llc-to-donate-samsung-tablets-to-united-way-of-southeastern-michigan-258626621.html

The Supercrew-spec Raptor features a 1,030-pound payload capacity

Read more: http://www.leftlanenews.com/new-car-buying/ford/f-150-svt-raptor-supercrew/#ixzz31L72CKFr

Yeah, because mules are all about the looks and Macaroni is moving Chrysler headquarters to London. To invest in America's people. Great points.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dalebuss/2014/05/09/marchionne-may-get-tax-pushback-in-locating-fiat-chrysler-hq-in-london/

It's actually 1,180 on the Raptor SuperCrew.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/payload/

HEMI V8
Ford sales are down at 4% at the same time Ram sales are up 23%.
What's going to happen later this year when Ram runs low on inventory and Ford has the lots full of unsold 2014's cause everybody that wants a Ford is waiting for the 2015?
Ford is going to have to pull their pants down and give away the 2014's or they will delay bringing out the 2015's until they sell more 2014's.
Everybody knows Ram can't keep up with Ford production numbers, Ford has 2 plants that build the F-150's full time and Ram shares one plant that also produces Jeep.
This never happened to Ford and Ram before, watching the business side to see how it turns out.

Its no big deal how much the payload is on the Raptor cause nobody buys one to use it for hauling, they buy it to show off, I am NOT impressed.
When you spot a F-150 4x4 and you notice the rear of truck sits much higher than the front that's a sign that truck hauled heavy loads in the bed cause the rear leaf springs get "sprung" when moved the opposite way under a heavy load. In science when the leaf springs are forced to bend the opposite way the molecules in the metal increases the space between them and the springs actually get longer, where the springs are bolted to the frame that restricts them from growing longer so the only way to get longer is to increase its degree of bend.
You guys learned something today!

@Hemiv8

How Ford Motor Company Will Fight Back Against Chrysler's Ram.

Ram pickups have been selling like hotcakes -- up 23% so far this year. Meanwhile, Ford's F-Series line is up less than 4%.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/10/how-ford-motor-company-will-fight-back-against-chr.aspx

I have said this before, but it still doesn't sink in. if you sell lower numbers then smaller increases show a bigger percent gain. That's why you can't compare Rams percentage gain vs Fords percentage gain, so here are some good old fashion numbers for you

jan f150 46536 -0.7% ram 25071 +22.5% dif 21,465
feb f150 55489 +2.6% ram 29303 +25.8% dif 26,186
mar f150 70940 +5.1% ram 45532 +25.7% dif 25,408
apr f150 63387 +7.4% ram 36674 +16.8% dif 33,313

that is as simple as it gets. Even if Ram is showing bigger percentage gain, they are still not gaining on Ford

Sorry, I made an error in the reported F150 sells in Feb, and the Ram sells in Mar.


jan f150 46536 -0.7% ram 25071 +22.5% dif 21,465
feb f150 55882 +2.6% ram 29303 +25.8% dif 26,579
mar f150 70940 +5.1% ram 42532 +25.7% dif 28,408
apr f150 63387 +7.4% ram 36674 +16.8% dif 33,313

Chrysler recalls 780,477 minivans (for fires)

10 May, 2014 at 06:30:PM

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' Chrysler unit on Friday announced that it will recall 780,477 minivans following reports of overheating and in some cases fires in third-row power window vent switches.

The problem will affect certain Dodge Grand Caravan and Chrysler Town & Country minivans from model years 2010 through 2014...

@Tony - doesn't look like you like minivans...no one does...don't buy one.

"Ford Motor Co. is recalling more than 750,000 vehicles – most of them Escape sport utility vehicles – in North America to address possible problems that could delay airbag deployment and cause doors to open while cars are being driven...."

I think Ford build junk...I won't ever buy a Ford. It's easy!

HEMI V8 wrote
"Ram pickups have been selling like hotcakes -- up 23% so far this year. Meanwhile, Ford's F-Series line is up less than 4%."

So if 130,000 trucks sold is selling like hot cakes, what is selling 230,000?
Total trucks sold is the correct way of doing the math, not your percentage.

The bump in the hood may be from the camo padding or perhaps a new location for the intercooler. Maybe a hood scoop style air inlet duct.

Maybe this Raptor will come with that awesome powerful 2.7L

@LOUbc before you get underwear in a bunch over most recent 750,000 Escape recall, it's just a quick software update. No parts needed, tell whole story. Still not slowing new sales.
Not sure what you would buy but ALL top mfg's have current recalls of some sort on the table now.

The bump on the hood makes you wonder what engine lies beneath.

In Australia most vehicles with a 'bump' on the hood indicates a intercooler, but with a diesel.

I'll laugh really hard if the Raptor comes out in a diesel.

Or, like the Colorado, is the bump to do with the shape of the actual vehicle. A new trend in making bigger grilles for the 2.7 litre engines to make you think have more when you have less.

In all seriousness the bump could be for a larger intercooler for a 3.5 EcoBoost.

@supercrew02 - "Not sure what you would buy but ALL top mfg's have current recalls of some sort on the table now...."

I know what you are saying superscrew all mfg's have some sort of recall and FORD wants to make sure it is not falling behind on the recall list. I mean it's only 750,000 Escapes...lol...not even a million....hehehehehe

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/132538/ford-recalls-4k-commercial-f-series-trucks

I mean everybody is doing it why not Ford?

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/ford-issues-two-more-escape-recalls-one-also-covering-the-c-max-050914.html

We should be happy that Ford recalls the junk it sells...

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/433878/

I mean quality is sometimes job one isn't it?

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-43000-vehicles-over-sub-standard-seat-welds-80398.html

Come on now Ford doesn't really mean it...

http://www.wwmt.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wwmt_barry-co-woman-lucky-alive-following-m43-crash-20816.shtml#.U265OPldVQE


@Big Al from Oz - the only "bump" I would be worried about if I were you is the bump you must have taken on your head.

@unLou BC
I do think most of your input is useless.

People like you with the style of commentary you have indicates you have very little knowledge of pickups.

If you had knowledge or are willing to learn you wouldn't display the disruptive attitude you have.

So, why don't you listen and learn and ask questions to expand your horizons.

You are an example of why the US is struggling as a nation right now. A wasted resource, like a turd or a parasite living in a turd.

@ HEMI V8,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsunEfZFG1Y

We like the girls with the Pumps and a bump!!!!!!

You gotta pump the bump!

"You are an example of why the US is struggling as a nation right now."

@Big Al

You could not go even 24 hours without making yourself a liar!

@papa jim
Remember you could have bought that Suburban if you didn't waste you money on those other vehicles ;)

If you need any information on finances, economics and how to manage your family budget, I'm here to help.

Just ask ;)

I don't mind assisting you guys just starting out in the big world of investing.

Saw a 2015 F-150 in Fort McMurray yesterday

This is AWESOME news! I still have a chance to buy a brand ne Ford F-150 S.V.T. Raptor!!! I thought that I would have to be looking for a used one in two years. Thank you Ford Motor Company!

Look close, the rear bumper has cut outs for dual exhaust like the ram. Ugly!!!

@Big Al from Oz - "So, why don't you listen and learn and ask questions to expand your horizons..."

Can't wait to ask you questions about pickups Al...You're smart to do your laundry on Saturday night, when everyone else is out?

@Big Al from Oz - "You are an example of why the US is struggling as a nation right now."

Hey sh&t for Brains, what makes you think I'm from the US?

@Big Al from Oz - "A wasted resource, like a turd or a parasite living in a turd."

Speaking about a Turd, why don't you wish your mother a happy mother's day for me.

@Big Al, I forgot to mention the GMC Acadia that my daughter has now. We bought it in 2009. Very smooth and terrific CUV.

Re: Suburban. Still plan to go there but I'm looking at cancer surgery this week and again next month.

Not the best time to make a commitment without knowing how the treatment plan works out.

I'd go for an Expedition or Navigator if I could find a 2 year old CPO deal priced right. Nice truck too.

This is AWESOME news! I still have a chance to buy a brand ne Ford F-150 S.V.T. Raptor!!! I thought that I would have to be looking for a used one in two years. Thank you Ford Motor Company!

Posted by: Buy American or say Bye to America! | May 11, 2014 1:30:51 PM

Be very gentle with it if you buy one. The frame is likely to fold in half like a wet dish rag.

With the expected weight savings- say 400# from the cab, 200# from the motor (if they drop the 6.2), The truck should maintain its current performance, even with a little less horsepower. Braking and off road performance could be much better, as it means less work for the chassis to do.
I think it's a little silly to ask "What's the payload." It's a prototype, only just confirming that there will (probably) be a secon gen SVT Raptor.
@Paul810- tow mirrors on development trucks are pretty standard (engineer decision), even if they're never offered on production vehicles (marketeer decision).
@Mark- the payload of the next raptor will not be any higher than the current truck- the springs are tuned to work off-road with an expected light load. The curb weight reduction will be matched by a reduction in GVW. The PW's low payload has NOTHING to do with the fact they used coil springs in the rear, rather than a decision to make the rear suspension more compliant- for comfort. Ford and Chrysler have been building trucks with a coil sprung axle weight rating of 6000# for years. Coils arent the problem. If anything, they're easier and cheaper to swap out for a different spring rate.
@Lou BC- Good call on the top mount Charge air cooler. Would be a much better place than out front.

"Be very gentle with it if you buy one. The frame is likely to fold in half like a wet dish rag." - FordTrucks11

I am sure that the truck is not as fragile as critics are making it out to be. Plus, I would likely only use half of what the truck is capable of. I like to use and have fun with my equipment not abuse it.

GUTS

GLORY

LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN ANY FORD TRUCK ON THE ROAD

MOST LOVED TRUCK ON THE ROAD

RAM

All the Ford naysayers are just a bunch of candya$$es. If you dont like it...dont buy it or dont read the articles. Ford is and always will be the best. All the rest are just pretenders like all of the Chev and RAM wannabees in here. The BEST NEVER REST!

@Hugh Jass
You say;
All the Ford naysayers are just a bunch of candya$$es. If you dont like it...dont buy it or dont read the articles. Ford is and always will be the best. All the rest are just pretenders like all of the Chev and RAM wannabees in here. The BEST NEVER REST!

I say;
I agree with your sentiment. I just hope the additional cost of an aluminium F-150 doesn't reduce sales.

@98Sienna - really? I didn't know that they were out yet.

It amuses me how so many Idiots ask for the Payload of a Raptor compared to the Power Wagon. Two completely different trucks. A production truck Vs a Kit is just that. The Ram is way to heavy and not set up to run as hard as the Raptor will through the desert or even trekking over huge boulders. The Raptor has actually been specifically engineered to run the way it does, a kit is just that a KIT!!!

Hope Ford reinforces the frame in the rear bumpstop area. The new frame is just as weak there as before: http://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/asset.download.image.original.html/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2014/01/13/f150/photo/15FordF150_16.JPG

It's possible the towing mirror were put on because the regular ones had fallen off from the jumps.



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