2015 Ford F-450 Super Duty Video Review

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We recently had the chance to drive the full lineup of 2015 Ford Super Dutys, some of which are relatively unchanged from 2014 with the exception of the newly upgraded and tuned 6.7-liter V-8 turbo-diesel and stronger transmission combination. The new engine leads the HD segment with 440 horsepower and 860 pounds-feet of torque and feels impressive, but that singular change does not make up for all of the Super Duty's faults.

After a full-blown media test-drive event we were able to take an all-new F-450 Super Duty (which does offer a stronger front axle, rear springs, steering components, torque converter, and an upgraded transmission) from West Virginia to Detroit. The good thing is that we spent enough time behind the wheel to be sufficiently impressed with this new truck and powertrain. The problem was that we weren't towing or hauling anything (in fact, we made the run completely empty), which meant we had to deal an exceptionally stiff and punishing suspension.

Still, there is a lot to like about this up-sized one-ton Super Duty, so we found some nice spots along our route to stop and talk about the truck. Yes, this is the monster that has Ford stating it is the best-In-class towing champ of the segment, but we can say that the trade-off (the unloaded ride quality) might be too much for many pickup truck customers to handle.

If you're thinking about buying this truck, you better have a sizable trailer (upward of 20,000-plus pounds) that you have to tow more than 75 percent of the time. Until we get our hands on one of these new trucks to do a more thorough and controlled towing and payload test, this will have to do. Look for our full story on the 2015 Super Dutys to come.

Cars.com photo by Mark Williams

(Editor's note: we have modified the story to more accurately reflect the specific changes made to the F-450.)

 

Comments

I would like to point out....that if you're buying an F-450.....you better be towing or hauling something or you're just wasting money. What would be the point of buying one and getting groceries with it???

I think the best vehicle to tow will need more than horsepower to win however that is an important ingredient. Takes a whole package and Ram being the King of the beast is the one to knock off the hill NOT FORD. : (

"This new Ram 3500 HD controls huge amounts of weight as if it were carrying a much smaller load, and you get out of the truck at the end of a long day of towing feeling like you haven't been. What more could you want from your beast of burden?"

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2013/10/king-of-beasts-results.html


Posted by: HEMI V8 | Jul 30, 2014 9:08:34 PM

So basically same truck as last year with power upgrade. Same plastic interior same bone rattling ride.

If your going to tow that much. Why wouldn't you get the chassis cab with a utility bed.

@Mark Williams, Here is a great video to watch. Please try this on your up coming 4x4 shoot outs. Thank you. : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTnkxrEnt7A

WOW $74,000! Good god for a cab that was created 16 years ago! Man thats taking it to the next level, your pushing within 20-30 k of a peterbuilt western hauler with a whole bunch more ammenities.......

kinds like spending 50K for a half ton grocery getter, it just doesn't make any sense!

Kinda, is what I meant, typed too fast.

Ram alone in honest HD pickup ratings?

After the recent discovery that Ford had been tossing out the spare tire, jack, radio, and console of its F-450 to make it (barely) fit into the weight rating of a class three truck (while increasing its payload slightly but cutting the base weight), Larry Vellequette of Automotive News noted that GM had started playing the same game on its own trucks to boost payload ratings. In GM’s case, a full bumper was actually jettisoned, and lighter wheels were used.

Ram and Toyota both use standard curb weight as the basis for their payload and weight ratings, as per the SAE standard. While Ram has only officially announced adherence to SAE standards for the 2015 model year, their 2014 and 2015 figures are nearly identical. Toyota has held to SAE standards for some time, but they only sell class one pickups in the United States, while Ram sells in classes one through three.

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/07/ram-alone-in-honest-hd-pickup-ratings

@Mark Williams and staff, Here is how you avoid axle hop you complained about in the Power Wagon 4x4 shoot out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAZckwYLVI&list=PLDD9F941A847EE274&index=8

Wolfpack in the house!!!!!!!!!
The HEMI Wolfpack is back
HEMI V8 is back causing a mass destruction.
The Bad Boys of PUTC
Don't turn your back on the Wolfpack!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwG4416tIk

RAM IS THE ONLY HONESTLY RATED HD PICKUP.
J2807 BABY!

All Ram 1500, 2500, and 3500 pickups are now J2807 compliant, meaning they meet or exceed the Society of Automotive Engineers' agreed upon standard and criteria for measuring and rating tow standards. In fact, Ram states that all of its current tow ratings will stay the same, and in some special instances, will actually be up-rated with the new requirements.

"Ram Truck has been preparing for integration of the SAE towing standard over the past few years and adding heavier 3/4- and 1-ton trucks to the criteria gives it more teeth," said Mike Cairns, director of Ram truck engineering, in a statement. "For too long, an uneven playing field existed and towing capacities went unchecked. We're happy to be the only pickup truck manufacturer to align with the SAE J2807 towing standard across our pickup truck lineup."

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/07/ram-truck-pulls-the-trigger-all-2015-pickups-j2807-compliant.html

OMG Ford has us backed in a corner. How can we compete with such a capable machine. I better have more Guts,Glory commercials made so we can win the marketing war

What are profits are down 55% and we can't make more commercials

Hey Sergio......

So basically the ancient Super Duty can barely out tow the Ram and it rides like a coal cart, has crappy interior, still waiting for the braking performance...

Ram is the way to go in the HD's, this is coming from a GM Man. Ram has the MegaCab, Cummins, offers airbag suspension, RAMBox, an offroad monster with factory hitch, lockers, sway bar disconnect, just like my Rubicon!, not to mention coil rears on the 2500 and Hemi 6.4

Ford's are tow monsters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CchWSdwCpr0

@HEMI V8

" Toyota has held to SAE standards for some time, but they only sell class one pickups in the United States, while Ram sells in classes one through three."

WRONG!!!!


Class 1 are trucks with a GVWR of 6,000 lbs or less. Class 2 is from 6,001 to 10,000 lbs GVWR and has two separate sub-classes 2a and 2b. Sub-class 2a is GVWR between 6,001 to 8,500lbs which 150/1500 trucks fall into. Sub-class 2b is GVWR between 8,501 to 10,000 lbs which is where 250/2500 truck fall into. Class 3 is from 10,001 to 14,000lbs which is where 350/3500 trucks and most 450/4500 trucks fall into.

Toyota sells only class 1 trucks with their Tacoma and a class 2 with their Tundra, but not a class 3 truck.

Ram does not have a class 1 truck, but has a class 2 with their 1500 along with the 2500 and a class 3 with their 3500. Ram offers trucks all the way up to class 5 with their 5500. Other makes like Ford offer trucks all the way up to class 7. GM used to offer all the way up to class 7, but discontinued their medium duty line.

Ford is saying those kind of towing numbers belong with their F450 and not with the F350 truck. To make those towing numbers without sacrificing the integrity of the truck, they are lightening their F450 trying to drop a class. They could just easily apply those tow ratings to the F350, but they do not think that kind kind of weight belongs in an F350 so they applied to the F450. I happen to agree with them here, but I don't think they should try to move the F450 down to Class 3 to do it. However, class 4 emissions certification is a lot more stringent than class 3 which would mean they would have to heavily debate their engine. This might be the reason why GM and Ford are trying to take away weight to move their class 4s (which really should be the ones towing those weights, NOT class 3) into class 3. This is the same as zviera's "Your F150 shouldn't be rated for capacities meant for a 250/2500 truck" argument. Ford and GM is just telling Ram "Your 3500 shouldn't be rated for capacities meant for a 450/4500 truck". Which Ram's case, their 4500 and 5500 is not even rated to tow what their 3500 is rated at.

Damn zviera, finally a great post from you.

Why can't Ford install some credible headlights on their SuperDuty trucks?
H13 dual beams are not acceptable on a $20,000 car, you can justify it on a $15,000.
So why the heck would anyone accept it on a $74,000 vehicle?

@ George C

That is a good point. I have been thinking the same for a while. The rest of the competition has HID headlights in their heavy duties.

@george, C, Because Ford is cheep, from the plastic fisher price interior, down to the C Channel frame. : (

I keep hearing how the Super Duty's day will end, but whatever the other guys are doing isn't working as well as what the boys at Ford is doing.

Morever, the next-generation Super Duty is expected to go on sale in 2016 as 2017 model. Basically we only have a year left before the next gen debuts at the State Fair of Texas next summer. The facts are Ram and GM stands no chance of catching up to the next gen HD with the aluminum body which will be groundbreaking.

"LOOKS LIKE FORDS LITTLE LONG RUNNING TOWING PAYLOAD NUMBERS ARE JUST ABOUT TO END"

@Hemi V8,

Yep, just in time for the Ford's next-generation military grade aluminum Super Duty.

Just when you think you know the answers, Ford changes the questions...

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/06/spied-2016-ford-super-duty-with-video.html

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Hemi V8/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/Glenn/Jason/Hemi Rampage/smartest truck guy/Maxx/SuperDuty37/Ken/Ron/johnny doe/jim/ALL1/Frank/Idahoe Joe/The Guy/AD/Casey/papa jim/Young Guy/BeeBe/Steve/Chris/The truck guy/Alex/Mr Chow/Yessir/All Americans/Scott/Buy American or say Bye to America/Ram Big Horn 1500/Hemi Monster/Tom Wilkinson at Chevy/mark49/Tom#3/Truck Crazy/carilloskis/Chris/Mike Levine/Mark Williams or whoever you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

@ALL1 - I'm more inclined to believe that there hasn't been an attempt to leave the Jihad. What I have seen from the Jihad is that they will cut and paste a story that on face value looks damaging to their target but once read shows the opposite. Hemi Vin Laden has done this multiple times.

I did find Mohamed Zviera's entry interesting. If Ford is in fact afraid of having to contend with class 4 emissions as well as commercial class specifications it makes sense for Ford to come up with a lighter Super Duty. An aluminum HD makes perfect sense. Save weight to keep ratings at the max level of a "lower" class and improve MPG. This is no different than a "heavy" MMA fighter cutting weight to fight in a lighter class.

It does make little sense for this site to say they've driven a F450 but empty. That is like saying "I slept with Heidi Klum............................... but in separate rooms".

I know an old man that worked all his life as a semi truck driver and the most money he made is $50K/year.
He retired took all his life savings and bought a Ram 3500 Dually Diesel with a 30 foot 5th wheel trailer.
He hauls loads all around the country for half the price a trucking business will do it for and he made $105K last year, he paid off his truck and trailer too.
Now that he's retired he's making more money working independent than what he did working

There's a lesson for you guys owning a super duty pickup you can do that too! Make that truck make money!

@Lou

That was my entry. I posted that as zviera since he used my name as I stated above. I was just getting him back at his own game.

There is a reason why Ford used the F450 to attain these tow ratings and not a 350 like Ram did. As I have told other people before, Ford has a higher standard then Ram does when it comes to towing. Ford thinks you should be able to bring your crew along too when you tow at their max weight. Ram thinks you should only tow by yourself or without you even being in the truck. This is assuming the lest amount of 20% tongue weight on a gooseneck, but most of the time it is between 20-25%. Big hint, check the payload versus the tongue weight on the Ram. You will see why Ford used a 450 for that amount of tow rating. They didn't want to slap a tow rating to a truck that it's payload couldn't cash.

WOW!!! What a truck!! Makes the rest look like crap. Speaking of crap, little hemi's daddy has done told him 4 times to get off the computer and clean his room and to please put on clean drawers. Can't wear em for a week at a time. They tend to get to full of bullsh!!t and things get a little stinky. Better listen little hemiv8. Your daddy will unleash that army you keep talking about on your as$. Straighten up boy!!

@ Lou

I know you probably already looked it up and saw what I am talking about so this is for the others. I will use a crew cab since it will more then likely be the most bought configuration. Also, the tongue weight of a gooseneck is generally between 20 to 25 percent of a trailers weight and I will use the least amount of 20%.

2014 Ram 3500 DRW 6.7L SLT/Bighorn/Outdoorsman Crew cab 2wd 4.10 gears

Tow rating: 29,300lbs
Payload: 5,946lbs

20% of the 29,300lbs trailer tow rating is 5,860lbs which will be our tongue weight.

This Rams payload of 5,950lbs minus the 5,860lb tongue weight leaves you with only 86lbs left in payload.


2015 Ford F450 DRW 6.7L XL/XLT Crew cab 2wd 4.30 gears

Tow rating: 31,200lbs
Payload: 7,080lbs

20% of the 31,200lb trailer tow rating is 6,240lbs which will be out tongue weight.

This F450s payload of 7,080lbs minis the 6,240lb tongue weight leaves you with 840lbs left in payload.

This is why they decided to use an F450 and not an F350. they figured you wanted to use your crew cab as a crew cab even when towing at max weight.

@ALL1 - and all of the Ram Jihadists are all smug with righteous indignation when it is reported that both GM and Ford were playing around to get good cargo numbers.

Ram brags about max tow and haul but leaves out the obvious - the driver weighs the same as some poor Vietnamese boat person and you leave the rest of the family on the island..............

Very short You Tube Video that will make believers out of anybody why the Ram 3500 is better than the Ford F-350

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f3CAnH7WIM

HEMI V8 is back causing a mass destruction.
The Bad Boys of PUTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwG4416tIk
Posted by: HEMI WOLFPACK | Jul 31, 2014 12:30:21 PM

@Hemi V8, Wolfpack in the house!

There are a lot of multiple personalities. It's crazy how all these come out of one person.

How GM Will Fight Back Against Ford's Radical 2015 F-150

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/30/how-gm-will-fight-back-against-fords-radical-2015.aspx

Ford takes their tow ratings more serious than Ram? Thanks, I need a good laugh!

Like the tow ratings for the 3.7 F-150 that Edmunds.com busted? They made a new truck in the SPRINGTIME overheat the transmission and run in limp mode because it was hunting for gears constantly (but maintained a higher speed, lol, all that maters to ALL1!)

This was at a tad less then gross combined weight rating, scaled and all.

Yup, Ford and the magic towing and payload dust!

To the Fordtards bitching about Rams ratings, there is a little scale on their website that takes into account different models, and that is that vehicle in it's base configuration, add 175 pounds of options, take that off the other end.

At least the bumper, console, stereo, spare tire and jack are included. Ford would have their King Ranch folks sitting on buckets.

Aww TRX Tommy has a hard on for me.

Still spreading that bull of either misinformation or half the information that he wants you to hear I see.

2014 Ram 1500

Seats — Cloth bucket front seats with 10-way power adjustment for driver, 115-volt
auxiliary power outlet, *center console delete*, folding rear bench seat trimmed in
vinyl

https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/v7fleet/StaticFiles/files/Brochures/MY14_Law_Enforcement_Guide.pdf

As a long time ford truck owner we have used several models from F150,F250 ,F350,F550 for our construction business.

We have had satisfaction in these products and rarely see problems as the trucks are serviced well and not abused.

About three years ago we gave the five supervisors the option to select 3/4 ton trucks of their choice. Three picked 2011 Ford F250's, one picked A Silverado 2500 HD and One picked A Ram 2500. All models are diesel.

All trucks proved to be equally capable to do the job. Over the history of the three years however we found the Ram 2500 had the most service issues out of the five trucks. At one point the service manager at the dealership accused our supervisor of running improper fuel in the Ram. This was rectified once we got the general manager of the dealership involved and threatened to have a lab analyst of the fuel system.

Ford and GM both had no issues with commercial vehicles being serviced under warranty. Our experience with Ram and their dealerships painted a different tune and the commercial vehicle factor was constantly reminded to us.

Based on our experiences all trucks proved equal to doing the job. The Ram did have a few issues but the experience of the dealers trying to foot the costs onto us under a warranty situation certainly would play a significant factor in this company purchasing any future products from them.

I am not bashing just passing along our experience.

FORD OWNER

I have the same good experience with Ford Service.
I have owned non-Ford vehicles in the past where they would refuse to repair simple warranty issues, always billing me for everything, paying up to $300 for a oil change.
I love my Ford Dealer!
They never question any issue, I never have to pay anything except only $35 for a full service.

I have a strange problem is I don't like my F-150 but I LOVE my Ford Dealer.
I would ratter own a Ram 1500 but I know the Ram Dealer won't treat me as good as the Ford Dealer.

I WANT YOU FOR THE RAM/HEMI ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOIN THE WINNING SIDE AND DEFEAT THE PATHETIC GM AND FORD FAN BOYS!!!

GUTS
GLORY
TAKING THEM DOWN ONE BY ONE
RAM

I have to ask who started this tard thing everybody is a ramtard or a fordtard. Was that you Lou BC?

@AD - NO.

.............. but I do take credit for the "Ram Jihad" and the "Clan from Ramistan".

Not sure why they said the interior was "out dated" . Much better looking and better laid out then either of the new 2015 Dodge/GMC. They're just plastic. I don't say this because I own a Ford, I own Ford because I've looked at / driven all the rest and just feel they're behind on the game and lacking in too many places.

I know one fact you can't overlook. Superdutys are not plagued with recalls like the 2015 GMs. They don't have stupid flaws like low hanging DEF tanks. Nor do they require owners to crawl up into a hot engine compartment to fill the DEF tank. Last, why can't GM put steering wheel centered in drivers seating position. That off center steering wheel is laughable. My 2014 F450 has 25,000 miles in last 7 months. I tow a 43 Ft fifth-wheel 80% of the time. It's been in the shop for oil changes and nothing else. Fully equipped luxury cruiser that is dependable. There is a reason Ford is number one!



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