2015 Ram HDs Continue to Boast Segment Leadership

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A brief list of highlights for the 2015 Ram 2500/3500 Heavy-Duty pickup trucks is out (in fact, Ram is the last of the three HD pickup makers to release its 2015 data), and it looks like Ram is serious about maintaining as many pieces of its segment-leading pie as possible.

To begin, the powertrain engineers have squeezed out 15 more pounds-feet of torque from the Cummins 6.7-liter inline-six-cylinder turbo-diesel, giving it a class-leading 865 pounds-feet of torque. That's 5 more pounds-feet than Ford's newly upgraded Power Stroke, and 100 more pounds-feet of torque than GM's Duramax. According to a Ram press release, the gains were a function of "more aggressive fuel delivery and turbo boost calibration."

Additionally, the Ram 3500 regular-cab long-bed 4x2 with the 6.4-liter Hemi V-8 engine option was newly rated with a gross vehicle weight rating that's about 100 pounds higher than the 2014 model, giving it more maximum payload capability, now topping 7,390 pounds. Likewise, the Ram 2500 maintains its towing leadership with the a maximum towing capacity (regular-cab Cummins 4x2 longbed) of 17,970 pounds.

Finally, Ram is boasting that its 2015 3500 model continues to have the best-in-class maximum towing capacity with up to 30,000 pounds of capability and the highest gross combined weight rating number at 37,900 pounds. Ram is the only manufacturer to state that all of its ratings adhere to the Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 criteria. We should note that Ford does not share Ram's opinion that the F-450 Super Duty is not a class (or consumer) competitor with the Ram 3500; Ram claims the 3500 is the best in the class — a claim that Ford also makes.

The exact GVWR, GCWR and maximum payload ratings for the 2015 Ram lineup have yet to be released (they're likely due near the beginning of September), but we'll post them as soon as we can.

To read the complete press release, click here.

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This is great news for paper truckers hauling heavy loads. At this point I'd personally prefer the Ram 3500 Chassis Cab with it's slightly "detuned" Cummins.

These truck wars will come crashing down but I hope before they do another great straight six gas engine can make a comeback. I shouldn't have to say that it must be able to keep up on modern highways but just in case any engineers are listening :D

the 525 foot pounds of my super duty has always been more than enough for me. They would sell more trucks if they could find a way to improve fuel economy and increase durability. Those are the things buyers of these trucks really care about. These horsepower/torque wars are just nonsense. I'd gladly take a truck with HALF as much power if it got significantly better gas mileage or had even slightly better durability.

Ram fan boys flood the page in 3.....2.....1......

Finally, Ram is boasting that its 2015 3500 model continues to have the best-in-class maximum towing capacity with up to 30,000 pounds of capability and the highest gross combined weight rating number at 37,900 pounds. Ram is the only manufacturer to state that all of its ratings adhere to the Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 criteria. We should note that Ford does not share Ram's opinion that the F-450 Super Duty is not a class (or consumer) competitor with the Ram 3500; Ram claims the 3500 is the best in the class — a claim that Ford also makes."

You should also mention that Ram's 30,000 lb max tow rating is for a 4x2 Regular Cab. The F-450 is a 4x4 CrewCab. If you go up to a crewcab on the Ram, it loses the 30,000 lb rating.

RAM is the best. Ford is running out of pipes to make snake shape.

Congrats Ram! Ford stepped on its d!ck by calling its max tow/payload 1-ton, the "F-450 pickup". Ford put itself in a different category, marketing-wise, even if the F-450 pickup is still a legal 1-ton. And since the "F-450" pickup forces a crew cab and 4X4, it can't really compete with the regular cab and 2wd, Ram or GM, for max capacity.

Last time I check the 3500 GMC won the heavy duty shootout with 100 less LBTQ....Honestly ALL THESE TRUCKS ARE MORE THEN ANYONE NEEDS! They all have different driving dynamics and lets face it at this price point 15lbtq does not matter its personal taste.

For some of us the only enjoyment we get out of life is owning and driving our heavy duty pickup. The truck we own means a lot to some of us, I can understand that.
Sitting in the drivers seat is our own private space, our safe zone, its part of our living space, it keeps us warm, cool and dry. Its an extension of our home.
When we know, have evidence we have the best truck we are proud.
Its a nice feeling driving the best and highest rated truck.
When you bought a Ford you were innocent thinking you were buying the best cause you were a victim caught up in selective advertising and marketing from Ford.
I fell for it too
The only way you can come to peace in your inner soul is to admit the Ram is better than the Ford you own, accept defeat and you'll be free!

Accept turd place as usual.

I think we have all seen this story before. What will happen next is 15 Super Duty owners will be able to go to their local dealer and get their ECU flashed to 450hp/875lb ft. Then again this one may be different as the last time GM didn't fire back as they run their own race while Ford and Ram run against the competition so they can say Best In Class or Unsurpassed.

Wonder if their "more aggressive tuning" helped their towing mpg.

I do think the overall sales of the heavier trucks that are more often used for work comes down to the initial cost of buying into a vehicle.

The figures that these vehicles tow or even the power and torque they develop has little to do with their sales.

It would be interesting to see what deals Fiat/Ram, GM and Ford offer to entice prospective customers with large orders.

When you buy a truck for a business you don't just look at 0-60 times or what can tow the most.

You buy to your requirements. If a truck is only ever going to tow 12k you wouldn't consider a 1/2 ton or maybe even a 3/4 ton especially if you want to carry a load in the bed.

Even then if you are going to work a truck of a 350/3500 size a flat bed is far more durable than a pickup bed.

The same with vehicles load and chassis length, etc.

The only people who would be really concerned about bragging rights are the ones who generally don't own or can to afford to operate a vehicle of this size.

The SUV HD operators might worry about this, but why would you? All of the diesel HDs can move and tow a considerable amount.

For being such a minor announcement, it really has seemed to make several people in here very butthurt.

Get over it anti ram guys! It is more sickening reading your anti ram/ram guys spam, then the ram guys posting the same dribble over and over again.

It's funny how Ford and Ram are one upping each other 5 foot pounds at a time. Breaking news, Ram is segment leading with 850 foot pounds.......breaking news, Ford is now segment leading with 860 foot pounds.......breaking news, Ram is now again segment leading with 865 foot pounds.......next week we'll hear, Breaking news, Ford is has taken over and is now 870 foot pounds.......wow..........

How about this for breaking news........GM's 3500 Duramax/Allison with 765 foot pounds took First place in the long awaited HD Challenge, sponsored by pickuptrucks.com.

Now I think that's something to boast about.........


All this talk about "segment leading" is silly..........

Why don't they do a segment first and fix the moose ear mirrors?

@ CT
Ram 3500 Crew cab long bed 4x4 H.O Cummins max towing is 29,280lbs... js

Who cares. You have to buy a RAM truck to get that nice Cummins. There's always a trade off.

I think greenrover hit the nail on the head

I'd like to see the Ford and GM J2807 numbers, which are typically smaller than those determined strictly by the manufacturers. Ram leadership based on just the numbers is probably larger than stated using the current methods to determine the numbers. For the past year or so Ram has been double digits in increased sales, far higher than the others. After owning a Ram for 7 years and 107,000 miles of traveling this country towing a large fifthwheel and then seeing the new Ram, it's easy to see why Ram is the leader.

Amen Beebe! MPGs and durability/reliability are more important to almost everyone. This extra 15 lb/ft isn't very significant.

To me, the biggest news in HD pickups should be the performance of the gas versions. ~$9000 buys a lot of gas, and if you don't need to tow 25,000 lbs why bother with the diesel other than if you just like diesels (which is a valid reason)? The gas engines generally just go and go without much maintenance or breakdowns. If I were looking at a new HD pickup I'd strongly consider a gasser.

@Robert
Who cares. You have to buy a RAM truck to get that nice Cummins. There's always a trade off.
I agree. Nobody want's to trade Ford in.

hahaha I love the Ford bickering about "best in class". The facts...

- Ram 3500: best in class (vehicle class III) calculated and certified by an industry established rating criteria

- Fraud F450: best in class because they said so, and took out the spare tire and center console so that it could compete in a lower weight class. Certified by marketing spin.

Yeah I hope it isn't difficult to see who the winner is here.

@Denvermike

There is no such thing as a "one ton" class. Truck classes are based off of the US DOT truck classification which is based off of GVWR. Most assume that 350 or 3500 are class numbers, but those are just manufacturer model numbers that can be very different between each brand. In fact, what you refer to as "half ton" and "three - quarter ton" are in the same DOT truck class.

@ OSDO & greenrover How much less do GM trucks weigh? A better power to weight ratio mean faster up a hill, Class 8 semis have worse power to weight ratio than any of the 3 hd pickup truck mfgs yet are able to tow more, tho slower up a hill. If Gm trucks are so great then why can't they up the rating? Simple because the Dmax/Allsion as well as the cooling system is maxed out on current GCWR it's at it max already in it current state if they up the rating any higher it would effect it's durability.

It looks like the same 'ole Circus here but with different Clowns.

It comes down to which one you like.
All 3 will do the job.
All 3 have plenty of power.
I lean towards the Cummins because it seems less complicated, even though its getting harder to see the ground from the top of the engine compartment. LOL
I do think by Ford not using the J2807 standards would make a nice selling point if you are a Ram salesman.

The brake test empty might have gone to GM in the 1ton class, and Ram made it a lot closer in this test than in 2010s.

GM stopping with a load? Not as good, Ford bringing up the rear. Ram leads.

Power is nice and sells a lot, but brakes mean a lot too.

Too bad GMs HDs sit low and suck off-road, and take a further area to turn in.

Funny to see Ford raise theirs, and Ram keep quiet and wait, and Fords one improvement for 2015 is shot down.

At the same time, not all 2500/F-250 buyers need even the lowest rated diesel for their needs. The 5.0 Cummins would sit fine in a Ram 2500 for others (as opposed to some saying the 1500)

Let Tundra and Titan use it for their "half ton-ish" light Dutys, both can't stop now, and will stop worse.

Funny. My earlier post was deleted. It wasn't politically correct enough.

These numbers games being played by companies are just PR exercises. My "payload is bigger than your payload" are good for bragging rights in the press room and lunch room. GM won the PUTC shootout with the least powerful truck.

I bet that Ford will breakout the magic turbo powder and release new numbers soon.

I agree with Beebe.

Give us better mpg and better durability.

@Lou
Give us better mpg and better durability. 

I agree with you.
Ford customers deserve that as well.

Stop the presses!

"Additionally, the Ram 3500 regular-cab long-bed 4x2 with the 6.4-liter Hemi V-8 engine option was newly rated with a gross vehicle weight rating that's about 100 pounds higher than the 2014 model"

The 2014 model was 14,000 "The innovative three-link front suspension is developed for both the two- and four-wheel drive models. It helps contribute to the Best-in-Class 14,000 lb Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)+"

Ram says they raised their GVWR by 100 lb. Didn't Ram have a problem with Ford's 14,061 GVWR not being 14,000 or less. And how if it was over 14k it would be in some kind of different weight class? Now Ram is 14,100?????????

Where is PUTC's rant on this?

FLASHBACK:
Much of the argument in this towing war of words hinges on the the fact that both the Ram 3500 and Ford F-450 have an official gross vehicle weight rating — a factor used by most pickup truck users to determine work capability — of 14,000 pounds. However, according to Automotive News, when adding the F-450's curb weight and max payload capacity, its GVWR total is 14,061 pounds, which would officially put the F-450 into a different weight class and make its "best-in-class" claim something of a misnomer.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/07/let-the-games-begin-ford-and-ram-do-battle-over-best-in-class-claims.html

Ford can't win this war. It looks like they are having problem to get more low end torque from V8, than I6. Power is not problem for any of them and Cummins 6.7 has long way to go to reach 550Hp like they use for marine application with this engine.
Problem is cooling and driveline to get there. Ford experienced that first , with their burned down F350 test mule.


@All1 - It's class warfare as far as marketing goes. The best rated Ram class 3 vs all other class 3 trucks. It's all about the badge/emblem class, not GVWR classification. Max is 14,000 lbs for this group of trucks, including the F-450 (factory) pickup.

Then Ram is 14,1000 now and is in the same class as the F-450.

@Denvernike

"It's class warfare as far as marketing goes."

So what your are saying is that you go off of marketing and not real facts...... Gotcha. In that case nevermind what I just said because there is not point in taking it further.

@Dave

What you just said got me thinking and I went back to check Ram's 2014 tow charts. Go down to page 4 to the truck that Ram lists to tow 30,000lbs. Ram states it has a 14,000lb GVWR, but......... if you add ups it's 7,434lbs base curb weight and its rated 6,570 lbs payload then that makes 14,004 lbs.

http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/rammlup3500.pdf

If you build that same truck on their towing guide, then it will give you a curb weightr of 7,450lbs and a payload of 6,566 lbs. Add those up and it is 14,016 lbs.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

Why is PUTC not calling Ram out on it like they did with Ford's 14,0061 lbs with F450 after adding the curb weight and payload capacity?

@ALL1
You are totally correct in the fact the the Class of vehicles is based on weight and not what the manufacturer has as a model number, they are just really names.

@Dave, You misread.

The 100 lb increase is to the Hemi only and makes it 13,800 GVWR, 200 lbs under the 14k.

The Ram 30k max tow is still 14k GVWR but is a regular cab 4x2 which makes it not apples to apples and misleading because a 4x2 RC is not what they show in all of their pics and advertising. And I don't know anyone who buys regular cab Max Tow rigs anymore.
http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/ram_3500/capability/

The Super Duty F-450 has 4x4 and CrewCab standard and has a 31,200 lb max tow. So eventhough Ram made some increases here, Ford can still claim best Max Tow until the next gens arrive.

@Bafo
@ALL1
You are totally correct in the fact the the Class of vehicles is based on weight and not what the manufacturer has as a model number, they are just really names.

It does matter for All1, does it?
I couldn't quote him for RAM 2500 , because he wanted F 150. Doesn't matter that RAM 2500 meet his price, payload and towing capacity. It must be RAM 1500 compared with F150 for him.
Hypocrite.




What you just said got me thinking and I went back to check Ram's 2014 tow charts. Go down to page 4 to the truck that Ram lists to tow 30,000lbs. Ram states it has a 14,000lb GVWR, but......... if you add ups it's 7,434lbs base curb weight and its rated 6,570 lbs payload then that makes 14,004 lbs.

http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/rammlup3500.pdf

If you build that same truck on their towing guide, then it will give you a curb weightr of 7,450lbs and a payload of 6,566 lbs. Add those up and it is 14,016 lbs.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

Why is PUTC not calling Ram out on it like they did with Ford's 14,0061 lbs with F450 after adding the curb weight and payload capacity?


Posted by: ALL1 | Aug 25, 2014 2:18:38 PM

Good point, ALL!

4 lbs over or 61 lbs over. What's the difference? They are both over 14k and Ram should be called out on this as much as Ford was. Why is the media dn PUTC giving Ram a pass? This should be all over the media...

2014 specs for further reference...
https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2014_RAM.3500.Towing.Specs.pdf

Seems a little ridiculous, this whole upping each other by 5 or 10 lb/ft of torque.

But hey I'm not going to argue with all manufactures being in a constant state of improvement, regardless of how small the increments are.

@zviera - you must of missed the part where the Ram 3500 used 2-3 times as much DEF as the other trucks.

Durability ratings are as follows for HD's:
JD Power - #1 GM, #2 Ford, #3 Ram.

It gets worse for 1/2 tons.
JD Power - Top 3 are GM siblings and Avalanche followed by Tundra and F150 and way down in last place Ram 1500.

Vincentric rates them as:
Best 1/2 ton:work=F150, pleasure = F150
best gasser HD: work and pleasure GM
best Diesel HD: Work GM, pleasure Ram (this is for pre-DEF Ram).

See the pattern?

Probably not.............

@Zviera - hypocrite? loook in a mirror and say clueless 3 times.

Weren't you crying about name calling? or was that your J!had brother Hemi Vin Laden?

Federal Truck classifications do not go by 150/1500, 250/2500 etc. They go by weight class.

Class 1....under 6,000(GVWR)....Light-duty
Class 2...6,001-10,000...............Light-duty
Class 3...10,001 - 14,000...........Medium-duty
Class 4...14,001-16,000.............Medium-duty
Class 5...16,001-19,500.............Medium-duty
Class 6...19,501-26,000............. Light-heavy
Class 7...26,001 -33,000.............Heavy-heavy
Class 8... over 33,001 ................Heavy-heavy

all1 already explained this a while back.

@Zviera - here is a table with pictures just for you ;)
http://www.goodyeartrucktires.com/pdf/resources/service-manual/Retread_S15_V.pdf

So did you guys bother to read the notes section on the towing guide?

NOTES:
Note that all the payload and Max Trail weights are ESTIMATED values.
1. In some cases payload is rounded down to the nearest 10 lbs. Payload = GVWR - Curb Wt.
2. Maximum trailer weights are rounded down to the nearest 50 lb
3. Payload and maximum trailer weight are mutually exclusive. Additionally, the GAWRs and GVWRs should never be exceeded.
4. GCWR is a defined value in lbs. Base weights may change due to a production audit or product change.
5. GCW = Base weight + 150 lbs (Driver weight) + Max Trailer + 20 lbs
6. The recommended tongue weight for conventional hitch is 10-15 percent of the gross trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight for
Class V (the receiver hitch) is limited to 1700 pounds. Additionally, the GAWR's and GVWR's should never be exceeded
7. The recommended tongue weight for Gooseneck and Fifth wheel hitch is 20 – 25% percent of the gross trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight for
Ram 3500 Gooseneck Hitch is limited to 6000 pounds, and the fifth wheel hitch to 5000 pounds. Additionally, the GAWR's and GVWR's should never be exceeded.
8. A fifth-wheel or gooseneck hitch is required for trailers over 17,000 pounds. A gooseneck hitch is required for trailers over 25,000 pounds

You guys are really reaching on this one. Looks to me like they just need to fix the typo's on the figures and round them down like the notes say they are calculated. Again they aren't outright REMOVING items from the truck to obtain their payload/towing numbers like Ford has been doing.

@Lou
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Hypocrite is shorter, but if you prefer description 1 and 2, I don't have problem with that. It fits him very well.
But WTF is J!had brother Hemi Vin Laden?
I couldn't find it anywhere, so I am assuming you made that name up.
English must be your second language. Does it mean honest RAM customer with many HEMI cars ?

I wonder why the Ram did not run away from the competition if it is so great?

All Guts

All Glory

All best in class Ram!

@zviera - and in regard to that sticker on your door saying your truck's cargo rating you were "lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular."

I'd post the shorter version but that would be name calling.

@greg
I wonder why the Ram did not run away from the competition if it is so great?

Because it's not about running away from competition, but about competing. That's exactly what RAM is doing very well.

Cummins continues to impress me with their 6.7L inline six.Couple with class leading interiors,and class leading suspension ride control. Ram truck division is serious about going after the commerical truck market that Ford has been making huge profits in. The question has to be ask is the 15 ft pounds of torque win the "King of the Hill" challenge.



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