2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge: Three-Quarter-Ton Video

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We knew testing these three-quarter-ton trucks in head-to-head competition would be difficult and interesting, but we didn't know that with our 3,000-plus total points that less than 125 points would separate the winner from third place.

To call this comparison test extremely tight and, in some cases, a real blowout would both be true. Find out exactly how each truck performed and where we thought Chevrolet, Ford and Ram offered their greatest strengths and biggest weaknesses in our video below.

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Comments

I guess they forgot about this video when they posted the HD challenge results long ago. Overall I'm not impressed with the lack of info they gathered after testing the trucks for three whole weeks. I can't argue too much about the results, but it sure would be nice to have more explanation as to the pros and cons of each truck. Not really very helpful to someone actually looking for info. while shopping for a new HD truck. One thing I think most readers here agree on with this test is we care more about HOW YOU CAME TO THE RESULTS than the results themselves (except for the fan boys that just want to tout their truck for being "the best").

Ya'll forgot to mention that Ford won on testing and had a hig aher empirical score. And that Ram had to win on judges scoring to come up with the win, but I guess that would blow a hole in the idea of Ram dominating.

In my book PUTC are the top experts in pickups.
everybody that reads and watches this knows more than any dealer or salesman.
I really learned a lot from PUTC, wish I knew as much as I know now when I bought my new pickup a year ago.
I fell for the advertising.
I made the mistake thinking I would be cool and get respected by the pickup I owned! Thinking I had the best!
Learned my lesson only buying a new pickup just to impress everybody else but it didn't impress me.
Don't make the same mistake I did!

@astroturf Tom - I don't know anyone who buys a truck to impress someone else.

@Beebe - the full story is in text on the site. Explains things in good detail.
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014-ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge.html

@ian
Let me know when you find an explanation of the judges scores, which accounted for half of the test results. When they don't even explain HALF of the results, that is a failure, especially when that half of the "HD challenge" is what bumped ford from first to last and ram from last to first.

@Tom#3

"I made the mistake thinking I would be cool and get respected by the pickup I owned! Thinking I had the best!

Learned my lesson only buying a new pickup just to impress everybody else but it didn't impress me."

You think you get respect based off of a vehicle that you own? You are a weak minded and shallow individual if you actually believe this. The reason you are not getting the respect that you are wanting has nothing to do with the reasons you are stating, and this site, the people on this site, nor any object will give you the kind of respect you are looking for. You are probably one of those people that thinks riding a Harley gets you respect too huh? Well, you are wrong.

Respect is earned by your actions like and how you carry yourself just as it can be taken away just the same way. If you are respectful towards others then most likely they will be respectful towards you. Demand to be treated with the same level of respect that you give. If they don't show you the same respect in turn then they are not worth your time to associate with or even care what they think about you.

Also, if you walk into a room looking as being unsure about yourself or easily bullied then people will pick up on that. Be a strong minded individual that is sure about yourself and your actions. Don't look to others to make the decisions for you. Make them yourself. If you make a bad choice or decision then put your big boy pants one, deal with it, and then move on. Don't let what others think change what you really want to do. Do what you want to do. As my father told me "It takes a bigger man to do what he thinks is right than to follow the crowd".

From what you have written in the past on this site it doesn't seem like you are a strong minded individual. You care too much about what others think of you when you and what others say. That is a virus and it will only turn you into a person others disrespect even more. Take the Ramtards for example like zviera, TRX Tommy, and Hemi V8 for example. Yeah, we may get into arguments and the may post their usual stupid crap, but it is not like it controls or effects my real life. Once I hit the little X to close down the browser window, then it is back to real life and no matter what they just said effects me. They can say my truck crap or that it will burn to the ground because I don't drive a Ram. It is not like I give a rats arse what they think and it is not going to like my truck any less. All they say are just words and it is up to me how I want them to effect. Sometimes I feel like debating and respond while other times what they just said was so stupid that I am speechless or just don't really care about what they said enough to respond. You have to be like that and not give damn about what others say about you or what you got. Keep in mind that that is just their opinion and not yours.

So be a man and demand to be treated with the same respect you show others, get the people that don't show you respect out of your life because they ain't worth your time, learn to not care what others thinks or wants you to do, don't care about impressing anybody, be sure about yourself, and do what you think is right, not what others want you to do. Do those things and you will get the respect you are looking for because you are not going to gain it through some inanimate object.

So for American trucks Ford won. General Motors with the Chevrolet tied or came in second?

I can't believe I see this video on PUTC. RAM must have really crashed the competition in this shout out.
Congratulation to RAM 2500 HEMI 6.4 MDS.
BEST 3/4 ON THE PLANET. My next truck.
I am going to watch this video again. I will never get tired of it.
It's just sounds good.

Awesome video. I watched it again. I like specially this part.
"Congratulations to RAM, for this terrific dominating win".

"Ya'll forgot to mention that Ford won on testing and had a hig aher empirical score. And that Ram had to win on judges scoring to come up with the win, but I guess that would blow a hole in the idea of Ram dominating."


Posted by: JP | Sep 4, 2014 2:21:52 PM

There were 16 competitive events. Ford did win 3 empirical
events.
RAM winning 10 of 16 events dominating the competition with 6.4 L HEMI.
That's what video says.

Ram did it up again.

Ford wins the fail for worst tail drag when loaded.

putc must use heavy water, most water weighs 8.34# per gallon, making 275 gallon weigh in at 2293.5#
Sure if the tote with skid is added to that weight, then it may weigh 2400#, but he clearly stated that they used 2400# of water in the 275 gallon tote.

@Lou, All1, Did you see that Ford with those superior leaf springs over Rams "car like coil springs" lol

Wonder if that 2016 Flaming F series caught on fire from dragging that weak C-Channel frame. lol

Maybe just good old Ford electrical short like so many before it.

My next truck purchase. Class leading 2500 Ram truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9luxJkLDRs#t=21


http://www.ammoland.com/2014/08/ram-launches-2015-heavy-duty-model-trucks-video/#axzz3CQ3G6toY

Oh Ya!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BpnyIC8lA

Buy what you like
Ram winning it nat'rally
But if it's too easy
Ford fans gonna disagree

It's your life
And isn't it a mystery
If it's nobody's bus'ness what truck you body
It's everybody's game

Ram's alright
Nobody worry 'bout me
Why you got to give Ram fans a fight
Can't you just let Ram be

Lou, why you got to give me a fight?
Can't you just let it be?

Ram's alright
Ram's alright
Ram's alright
Just let me and Ram be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmPckNvD3E

Daddy's new truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgH4oiKy6RI


I do not think pro-rating the loads is valid in this shootout.

If this were a "Truck of the Year" where various segments compete together, then yes, but these trucks compete in the same class for the same buyers cross shopping them.

By applying load based on OEM specs is interesting to see the integrity of those over or under rating capability or the performance at such loads 'as advertised'; but at the end of the day, ‎the truck you drive does not determine the load it will carry in practice. The skid of bricks does not get broken down to remove rows or courses to reflect your trucks limits - and those with lower capacities will drag their mud flaps with poor handling to the job site.

I once did R&D for a mining company and was advised that any part or tool longer than 2 feet will be used as a pry bar underground by miners should be considered in the design.

What I am saying is that the owner rarely knows or cares what the weight of the load is, and if he is loading his own truck it will be based on what fits in the box or on the trailer. If overloaded and uncomfortable to drive, he is more likely to proceed slowly than unload.

The testing should use typical materials for weight to be more meaningful to allow consumers to better relate (i.e., bails of hay, skids of brick, yards or soil/sand/gravel) and all should have hauled the same per segment so if one did it better or worse it would be known. Buyers that do not run heavy loads can be reminded to look at other attributes where the truck that struggled under load may be better in other areas that are applicable to them.

It is not an Ultimate ‎competition if handicaps are allowed. A boxer does not get heavy gloves and boots to offset weighing more than his opponent in same weight class.

A guy with same 1/2-ton truck as me parked beside me, hopped out and proudly exclaims, "wanna see what your truck can do?!". I walked over and saw the whole bottom of his bed was a couple of rows deep of lock stone. He told me he was on the bump stops before he was done loading but got them for free if he could get them out of there. He was impressed despite having a near empty bed as he knew it was heavy material and was amazed how well the truck still handled and rode despite the tortuous load.‎ This guy will not be switching brands to have 3/4 or 1 ton next time around.

If the OEMs know the handling goes bad and gets dangerous if the capability is not there as reasonably expected or possible in practice, then they should include scales or other type of load gauge.

I was surprised to learn that the 6.4 Hemi requires premium gas,not sure about the other 2. The amount of gas all 3 of these trucks swill,I think I'll stay with a 1/2 ton.

@Hemi V8

"@Lou, All1, Did you see that Ford with those superior leaf springs over Rams "car like coil springs" lol"

I guess you are intentionally missing where the Ram's coils had more of a drop from its original height versus the other two. The reason why the Ram's drop was less noticeable was because it's bed height is about four inches higher than the Ford's and about three inches higher than the GMs. If all the trucks had the same bed height in loaded then the Ram's coils would have been the lowest. I am not making excuses for Ford because they need to fix this by raising the bed height, but this has nothing to do the leaf springs like you are inferring. Do you just see what you want to see or did you just accidentally missed that? I am going for you just seeing what you want to see.

hey hillbilly, don't goto a halfton and buy the big engine, pemium gas for the big engines even in the half tons, plus if your going to tow anything, stay away from the grocery getter half tons and get a real truck to do the work

@Hill Billee

"I was surprised to learn that the 6.4 Hemi requires premium gas,not sure about the other 2. The amount of gas all 3 of these trucks swill,I think I'll stay with a 1/2 ton."

Wow, I am surprised the Ramtards didn't jump you for this. This statement is false. None of the 250/2500 or 350/3500 engines besides the 5.7L Hemi require higher than 87 octane fuel to reach their marketed power numbers. The Hemi 5.7L requires 89 to attain its marketed 395hp. The Ford 6.2L and GM 6.2L in the 150/1500 trucks require 91 octane to attain their marketed power numbers. The Ecoboost and Toyota 5.7L in the 150/1500 do not require anything higher than 87 octane to attain their marketed power output. The Ecoboost however will get a bump in power ( 15+HP and 10+lb-ft) by adding 91 octane though, but you don't have to run it 8 you don't want or need the added power.

"plus if your going to tow anything, stay away from the grocery getter half tons and get a real truck to do the work"


I have found that those that usually say stuff like this generally buy bigger trucks to compensate for the size of what is in their pants. Either that or their last 1500 truck was a Ram.

@ YouTube Please

I have the same problem too.

@toyrulz - I do agree that many buyers of trucks and operators of trucks do not pay attention to load.

BUT

Do you want magazines, motor-vehicle inspectors, police, weigh masters, car companies ect. not to bother with legal weight ratings and ignore safe standards because the public is too ignorant to do the same?

@All1,

remember its you guys in the dealership network that no nothing, and will tell anyone anything even if its wrong to make a sale, so I'm not surprised by that comment

@nitro

No, I deal with REAL heavy duty trucks, not that light duty truck you call a heavy duty. The smallest truck we deal with is an F650. We are not like your run of the mill car salesman that are mostly just drones getting people into the door. You have to know your craft and how to spec these trucks to a particular application. We don't deal with ever day people like you or others that just buy a truck just to be apart of the cool club. We deal with national fleet managers that know there stuff from companies like Halliburton, Schlumberger, and Walmart. They don't buy on truck every five years. They buy tens if not hundreds of trucks at a time that can be as much as $400,000 each depending on how they are speced. These are guys you can't just bullsh!t your way through a sale because they will know. This is why real heavy duty trucks are a whole different ball game than your usual light duty dealership so comparing the two is just ignorant.

The Ram Owners are the same in real life as they are on this site. They brag about their truck and it doesn't bother me but they have a right to brag cause the Ram is #1.
I live in hillbilly land were pickups outnumber cars 2 to 1.
We have independent mechanics and repair shops that refuse to work on Ford's but if you pull into their shop with a Ram they love you. Even the local tire shop gets their insults in by asking you why do you want to buy high quality tires for a junky Ford?
When you come up to a 4 way stop sign the Ram always gets to go first even if the Ford was there before him.
Even at the local bar the Ram pickups will block in the Ford.
I got cheap and bought the Ford cause it was less expensive than the Ram, that was a mistake!
Its peer pressure, you only get respect in my parts when you drive a Ram.

ALL1, since we are talking 3/4-1ton HD trucks on this site, we'll leave you to the trucks that normal people don't buy, and you discuss those with whomever, if that is true what you say, and I actually do believe you based on what your selling, could you please send some of those guys down to the truck market this site is based on, have those guys do some sales instead of the idiots the manufactures put on the lots now, I could really care less about a 650, I buy trucks that I actually need, and if I didn't Im not sure why you care anyway, I've said before, I went thru several halftons that couldn't tow 5k pounds on the long haul, different manufactures, so I went to a 3/4 ton and saw that it works much better and fits my needs better, safer to tow and so on, if I'd listen to the sales guys as I used to do years ago, I tend to think I could tow anything in a half ton but I know know better

@astroturf Tom#3 - do you really own a F150? Instead of all of the stupid J!had crap we see you bring forth all of the passive aggressive anti-Ford crap.
Beebe has a Ram that he does not remotely close to you. Even HemiV8 doesn't sound like you. They have legitimate beefs.

You whine and cry like a girl who does not have the latest and greatest from Lulu Lemon.

Maybe someone needs to mail you a training bra and some feminine hygiene pads.

Sorry - part of my post got deleted. Meant to say:
Beebe has a Ram that he does not like and does not remotely sound close to you.

And then there are Fordtards like ALLgONE, that want to take the side of "My EGO-boost is the fastest truck around, I didn't notice that the Ram 1500 outpulled it in the last light duty shootout. I don't need a higher octane to pull a heavy load (even tho it is Ford recommended). I just buy an aftermarket tuner, and tell people the dealer will be fine with finding you changed the tune, and they will fix it with a smile!

Yup, I am so ignorant, I fail to acknowledge Ford has issues with these 3.5 turbo trucks. Even though Consumer Reports said they were in the latter half of reliability. What do I care?

I even act like holding a lower gear is a good thing with my F-150, but yet root for the other diesels that need the $#!+ run out of them, to win.

Yup, I'm ALLgONE."

@TRX-4, YUP! :-)

@Lou BC

Not at all. I want some standardization to re-establish clear segments. As in an X-ton must do Y and have factor of safety Z. Under promise and over deliver.

1/2, 3/4 and 1-ton designations are all but meaningless now. Maybe a new modern equivalent could take their place as part of an SAE standard like 15, 25, 35 etc... (think hundreds of pounds) where these would be standardized payload capacities tied to a reasonable tow rating (say 10,000, 20,000 and 30,000lbs respectively) where all OEMS would have to apply a factor of safety (say 25%) to ensure safety for overloads do to ignorance.

Then the playing field is level, and trucks can be tested at same weights. Those exceeding the standards must be labelled HD after the highest standard that it passes. OEM's HDs would be compared to each other only.

@Nitro

"could you please send some of those guys down to the truck market this site is based on"

Not going to happen. Light duty and car dealerships do not pay enough. A decent heavy duty truck salesman would take a $50,000 to $75,000 a year hit if they went to the light duty market and a good established salesman would take a $100,000 to $150,000 a year hit. It takes a lot of knowledge to spec these trucks out right and especially so in each field. Some guys only sale to refuge clients like Waste Management while others mainly sell cement configured trucks.

We don't just do the truck, but the whole body as well like which setups and vacuum pumps. It is a lot of learning and you have to know your sh!t to be good. Lazy salesman like those at light duty dealerships that do not want to take the time to know their product will not cut it in our field. It is a lot different because most of the customers you have, you have them for the remainder of your career instead of just one sale. That is unless you do them wrong.


As far as buying goes, I never really speak to a salesman through the deciding process because I usually just research my questions. Most of the time I know more about what the models I am looking at than they do anyways. I usually have a set criteria and requirements I want out of the vehicle. I then go test drive all that meet that criteria, and tell the salesman that I will not be ready to buy until I have narrowed it down to one. However, I get their info and let them know I will deal with them if they sell the truck I pick. The process of narrowing it down has taken a few months before and was a constant back and fourth of test driving different model configurations. Once I decided on a truck, exact model, and exact layout down to the smallest detail, then I email the salesman exactly what I want at the price that I think I fair.

Although I will agree with you that if more salesman actually knew their product and sold vehicles based on customers wants/needs through asking questions from the customer then it would be a lot different. These salesman need to learn to shut up and ask questions before trying to sale something. Most of the time they don't even know what the customers needs are and are already trying to sale them a vehicle. This is why they are looked to as just "salesman" and not "consultants".

@ALL1
I do think you made a valid regarding salesman of light commericals, cars, SUVs, CUVs, etc.

They just don't know enough. I do know when I visit a yard to buy I know exactly what I want and the features that are available for any given vehicle I have an interest in.

As a matter of fact when I had my business I looked at trucks and I knew exactly the loads I would carry and tow. The customer of heavy vehicles research and look at dollars and cents. No-one will spend a cent more than necessary in initial and running costs.

The commercial trucking business is very cut throat, more so than the light vehicle market.

Especially as you stated the configuration of vehicles.

This is why PUTC has some problems with the likes of the school kids who blog on here, ie, zvirus, hemiV8 and a few others.

This is also why I do think PUTC should expand its reach and incorporate vehicles that will be competitive with pickups up to and including Class 3 and nothing more. Above this the vehicles really become more and more specialised.

I do think this will gradually create an interest in this site by the more professional owner/operators of light commercials.

This will also get rid of the $h!t that pollutes this site and decent and respectful dialogue can take place of value and meaning.

@toyrulz - we already have weight classes from 1 to 8. There is overlap. Small to mid sized trucks are class 1. Class 2 is basically 1/2 ton trucks i.e. 150/1500. Class 3 is 250/2500, 350/350 and 450 with box. Class 4 is 450/4500 chassis cab, and class 5 is 5500 and so on.
In some respects the current number ratings almost coincide with current classes.

@Big Al

It is not as cut throat here as it used to be back when the economy took a dive. With the oil filed boom here, just about every heavy duty brand has a piece of the pie except for Volvo for the most part. It is mainly Peterbilt and Kenworth for the big companies that can afford them and Mack and Freightliner for those who can't.

Freightliner's have always lived up to their nickname "Frightshacker" which is why their resale isn't worth beans after 3-5 years on these rough oilfield roads, but they are still decent as a low cost on highway truck. Mack used to be a good truck before Volvo bought them, and there is not a part on those trucks that is not made in China anymore. Some still hold on to Mack's old reputation of being sturdy, but the reputation quickly fades with the when they have one of the new ones after a few years.

The only ones that hold up really well are Peterbilts and Kenworths which is why they are only trucks bought by the big companies like Schlumberger, Halliburton, and Baker Hughes. Their resale is still high compared to the other brands. This has been good for us because customers see the value in quality. It cost them a lot more for a truck always being down needing maintenance then what ever money they save buying a cheap Mack or Freighliner. There are still those that cheap out, but the companies that think long term see the big picture. They don't mind paying for something if it has value and will make them or save them more money in the long run.

@Lou


Actually class 2(6,001 to 10,000lbs) is "half ton" 150/1500 and "three quarter ton" 250/2500 trucks. They are subdivided with the "half tons" being in class 2A(6,001 to 8,500lbs) and the "three quarter tons" being in class 2B(8,501 to 10,000lbs). I don't know why they did it that way, and not just make a different class for them.

@Tommy 2 Tone

Awww is wittle Tommy still butt hurt from our last encounter. I don't think you want to go another round with me so soon. You are still healing from the last time I proved your dumb ignorant theories wrong.

Stay on topic guys. RAM 2500 HEMI 6.4 MDS has terrific dominating victory in 3/4 ton shout out.

@Lou & ALL1

Then why the disparity at Eisenhower Pass and what's with Ford claiming the F-450 competes with Ram 3500?

@zviera

STFU!

We will talk about what we want just like you and your brethren go wildly off topic with your Ram commercials or recall posts. We have to put up with that bullsh!t so if you don't like it then GTFO.

@zviera

STFU!

We will talk about what we want just like you and your brethren go wildly off topic with your Ram commercials or recall posts. We have to put up with that bullsh!t so if you don't like it then GTFO.

Posted by: ALL1 | Sep 6, 2014 8:46:59 AM


I never posted any recall post .

Try to be civil to your fellow blog readers.
Stay on topic. We want to hear your opinions and thoughts, but please only comment about the specified topic in the blog post.

Back on topic, when you talk about Ford and FCA RAM squat, don't forget that RAM rear coil multilink suspension has much more travel than Ford outdated leaf springs one . That's why RAM will always excel in any offroad environment and beat competition all the time.
I would like to see some offroad test for 3/4 ton trucks.
If you know anything about Land Rover history, you know, that long travel coil spring suspension was first condition they started to test their chassis on.
Ford with their leafs will never be as good as RAM for the offroad use .


Dodge has a rich off road history. It makes me mad when writers complain about the height of Rams cab. They obviously don't go off road. Ground clearance is a good thing. No low riders for me.

@zviera

BULLSH!T

You post your comments like "Ford is going down" and other BS. Worst of all, you disrespect people by lying to them which is the worst type of disrespect. You also call out Lou as a liar even though it was you that was lying as we found out later. So don't talk to me about respect because the amount I have for you is almost non existent.


Also as I have told you and your brethren, the Ram coils had more drop than both leaf spring trucks by over an inch and a half. The reason why the Ford's back end was lower was because its back end was lower unloaded by four inches which has nothing to do with the fact that the Ford has leaf springs. Although I don't know why I even try to explain this because it is not like you guys are smart enough to figure it out, and you will only post it again a week later in another article.

@zviera

BULLSH!T

You post your comments like "Ford is going down" and other BS.
Posted by: ALL1 | Sep 6, 2014 12:40:28 PM

Ford is going down . Here is a prove.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e201a73e0ea986970d-pi

I thought we are friends. Did you blow your turbos ? You can tell me. I won't tell to anyone.


Also as I have told you and your brethren, the Ram coils had more drop than both leaf spring trucks by over an inch and a half. The reason why the Ford's back end was lower was because its back end was lower unloaded by four inches which has nothing to do with the fact that the Ford has leaf springs. Although I don't know why I even try to explain this because it is not like you guys are smart enough to figure it out, and you will only post it again a week later in another article.


Posted by: ALL1 | Sep 6, 2014 12:40:28 PM


RAM rear coil spring multilink suspension can afford this drop,
because of greater suspension travel and better offroad capabilities than ford.
The video shows better looking RAM with almost leveled chassis, then ford drugging his oz.
Ram has a larger articulation range than its leaf-spring competitors, with less freeway hop.

The springs are canted and "bent" at the BPL position (BPL=Body Part Loaded- this means a loading of 2 each 150 lb passengers, full fluids, and 1/2 payload all combined to be the base point of design for the vehicle.

@Zviera

That is not proof that Ford is going down especially being months away from a new model and Ford purposely holding back incentives to control inventory. That may be proof to someone who is is unknowing and want to believe it is proof, but not to someone who actually takes in the big picture.

Also, in order for Ram to overcome Ford, they would need to increase their fleet sales which you are so against. Without fleet gaining huge market share in fleets sales, they will never topple Ford, and that is a fact.

@All1
Well , lower number means going down even in your neighborhood. That's the fact.

"Also, in order for Ram to overcome Ford, they would need to increase their fleet sales which you are so against. Without fleet gaining huge market share in fleets sales, they will never topple Ford, and that is a fact."

I don't care if RAM will overcome ford as long as RAM makes money to make better trucks and is successful on the market. And that's exactly what's happening, which I am happy about.



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