Hey Ram: Give Us the 1500 SRT Hellcat

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Even if you're are a casual internet peruser, you've seen many stories and videos about how throaty and absolutely insane with power the new SRT Hellcat powertrains can be inside special high-performance versions of the two-door 2015 Dodge Challenger and four-door 2015 Dodge Charger.

The key to these modern-day muscle cars begins with the engine — in this case with a supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 (which is basically a destroked 6.4-liter Hemi) and the same ZF eight-speed (8HP70) that Ram, Jeep and Dodge use in their high-horsepower and high-torque applications.

We recently had the chance to drive a Challenger SRT Hellcat and thankfully survived the adventure without any highway patrol stops or marks against our license. From the second you slip inside the vehicle it moves with a smooth throttle response that we've never felt before.

Hit the start button and the exhaust note will let you and your neighbors know that you've got something special. The SRT division has clearly done its homework, and, we're sure the engineers had a great deal of fun putting this power package together. The engine makes 707 horsepower but the software that controls the throttle response and traction control — drivers can choose from Track, Sport and Street settings — creates a controlled and predictable strong acceleration wherever you push the throttle.

Our favorite aspect of the vehicle is how Dodge has included a dedicated SRT screen for the multimedia display that allows the driver to see exactly how the different settings change traction control, throttle response, paddle shifter activation and adaptive damping in the suspension. The electronic controls even have a valet mode that prevents "guest" drivers from gaining access to all the power the Hellcat has to offer.

For all its rumble, monster acceleration and strong cornering ability, the Challenger Hellcat starts at just less than $65,000 including destination. Sure, we'd rather pay that kind of money for a Ram 3500 Longhorn with a Cummins engine, but there are a few things that a Hellcat can do that nothing else can. Which begs the question: Why is this powertrain not in a Ram 1500 SS yet?

Ram's parent company Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has all the parts and pieces, and it looks like all the software and safety testing (to a certain degree) is already done. We'd guess Ram could pair it with some kind of all-wheel-drive setup to help with traction, given the bed is likely to be empty much of the time. Who knows? This could be the beginning of another Guinness World Record attempt.

All we need now is the Ram SRT Hellcat to make it happen.

Cars.com photos by Mark Williams

 

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Comments

Do it RAM! Just for shut down Ole1 is worth it.

If Ram does this (and I hope they do), don't just make it available in a regular cab like the Ram R/T. I know that platform is lighter than a quad cab or crew cab, but most people want the ability to transport more than 2 people and have some extra space. After all, they make a Charger Hellcat and that has 4 doors and space to transport more than 2 people, so they can do this for a truck as well.

I would buy one but sadly only one will probably be made and that one will be a SEMA display.

On the chassis dyno, the Hellcat is making 750+ so it appears the factory rating is a little conservative.

FCA says they are going to ramp up Hellcat production due to demand, which makes a Ram with the Hellcat more of a possibility.

Come on Ram! even if you only use the 6.4 in the 1500! would be nice! Just imagine an AWD p/u, with 485hp 486 ft/lbs! in a truck that weighs 5K! You already have the parts in the 2500! You would not even have to make it out of aluminum with all that hp! and tq! with the hd 8spd ad AWD, you would have a mean machine!

So this will not "shut me down" in any way because it is not Ram that I am against, it is you.

Posted by: Cummins | Apr 30, 2015 8:39:06 AM

I knew it !

That's the difference between you and me.
I have nothing against you. I don't like fords engineering and technical solutions. I also hate their 5 grade commercials.

At least you clarified what kind of person you are. I don't care anyway.

Can we send FCA a petition to build one so that they know there is interest for a Hellcat 1500?

It would be fast... and it would be fun seeing all those youtube videos of a Fiat 1500 getting smoked by a tesla... Yes please do.

@Cummins
I never did eny of it. You on other hand , called me names and disgraced whole nations. Please don't ruin this thread just because you are against me.


I think high performance engines are better suited to coupes and sedans... Heavy, high riding, utilitarian vehicles like pickup trucks and true SUVs are best suited with diesels.

Chrysler doesn't need a heavier engine in the Ram.
They need a shorter lighter one. Say a 400hp twin-turbo 3.2 V6.

Chrysler should upgrade from the 1st generation ZF 8hp to the second generation. CAFE isn't going away anytime soon.

Would you settle for a Jeep variant (Trackhawk)?

How about a supercharged Viper?

Everyone wants FCA to build one, but nobody has said they would actually buy it. So they should invest millions into doing it just so we can all watch YouTube videos?

Never happen..... Fist America is already buy credits from other manufactures cause they don't have efficient enough lineup to meet fleet wide cafe requirements. There is a reason there president is begging to merger with, gm, ford, Toyota, vw ....... Or Anyone so they can instantly get the tech and patent access with out purchasing it which they don't have the money needed to develop the tech on there own.

@Scot
Source?

Within the automotive industry, top executives at Ford, GM, Toyota, Renault-Nissan and Peugeot have all said in recent weeks they have no interest in buying FCA or taking part in a merger with the automaker.
"We're already in that top tier. We have a well-articulated plan and we are not going to entertain anything that would distract us from achieving that plan," GM CEO Mary Barra said last week in response to a question about her view on consolidation.
http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2015/04/29/fiat-chrysler-fca-marchionne-merger-thesis/26567541/

Everything you read from the fiat CEO stinks of desperation.... He sees the righting on the wall that fiat can't compete on its current course and strategy. If you can't see it your brand bias is getting in the way.

@Scott,
Can you provide links showing that Sergio is desperate?

I'd be interested in viewing those.

Sergio is out looking for a partnership. I do think what you are witnessing is how and where Sergio wants FCA to sit in the world of vehicle manufacturers in the future.

Currently FCA isn't that large and he wants to expand to rival the big boys on the block.

This is true of his position in the current EU market. Fiat is wanting to challenge the Volkswagen Group of Companies.

It has little to do with the US manufacturers as FCA has increased its footprint in the NA market significantly over the past 5-6 years on the back of particularly Ram and Jeep.

In all honesty, what can Ford, GM, Toyota provide FCA? These are the very people he wants to challenge, along with VW.

You seem to only pass poor comments with little knowledge of the auto industry as usual.

Can someone who actually took the time to read that novel that Big Al from Oz posted just summarize what he said. I only got six sentences in and said forget it.

I say why not. Build a SRT Ram and SRT jeep with the awesome Hellcat Hemi. 4x4 would be interesting with this much power. Chrysler would have to upgrade all the drive train for the 4x4 with this power plant. Seeing how Chrysler can't keep up with orders is pretty clear to me they would sale. If any brand would produce these awesome powerful vehicles it would have to be Dodge.

I want a Challenger Hellcat. Car is comfortable and roomy with a sinister look and sound. It is the top of the muscle car mound.

Slight correction to the article- the Hallcat vehicles use the larger 8HP90, no the the 8HP70, as conventional light duty Hemi applications do. The number following "HP" is the torque capacity, in 10 NMs. roughly.

I thought the point of the Hellcat was WAY too much power fed to the rear wheels. I'll take my Ram SRT Hellcat in Tradesman trim with steel wheels, please and thank you.

"they don't have efficient enough lineup to meet fleet wide cafe requirements. There is a reason there president is begging to merger with, gm, ford, Toyota, vw ....... Or Anyone so they can instantly get the tech and patent access with out purchasing it which they don't have the money needed to develop the tech on there own."

Posted by: Scott | Apr 30, 2015 2:23:32 PM

http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2015/04/29/fiat-chrysler-fca-marchionne-merger-thesis/26567541/

"Everything you read from the fiat CEO stinks of desperation.... He sees the righting on the wall that fiat can't compete on its current course and strategy. If you can't see it your brand bias is getting in the way."

Posted by: Scott | Apr 30, 2015 3:55:52 PM

I have read that article you posted and nothing you were ranting about was there.

Welcome Karl to PUTC,
I haven't read a comment from you previously. I do suppose you will state that you've been reading PUTC for years and decided your first comment will be about my story and not the Hellcat.

The idea of my story is only to remember half a dozen or thereabouts main points.

You've done exactly what I anticipated most will do.

Bravo.

@ AL
You just have to connect the dots bro.

Ford, gm, Toyota can bring fiat much needed, hybrid and electric technologies. Advanced material lightweight material technologies.

Fiat in the US is truck heavy and suv heavy which hurts there fleet wide economy and total emission portfolio. While jeep is global the ram brand isn't. So when fiat invest in there ram brand is a North America only investment by a global company which ram is a 3rd place competitor in that market with no threat to move up in that market. So rather invest in just 1 segment in one market it would be easier for them to merge to acquire needed tech...... But nobody wants to merge with them so there stuck with there old tech and buying credits from other manufactures...... Fiat had to hirer an outside firm to even build there electric car in California. Short term fiat is ok..... Long term they are not....
Where do they improve there mpg's on there full size truck???? They have to to meet EPA requirements or get fined.....
http://www.torquenews.com/2273/carmakers-buy-epa-credit-bugger-against-fines-cafe-impact-minimalized

BREAKING NEWS!!

2015 F 150 RECALL!! FOR FIRE!!!


http://www.autonews.com/article/20150429/OEM11/150429770/fords-latest-recalls-include-first-on-new-f-150-edge

I say Hellcat a Fiat 500, no matter what it takes or costs lol

I'd be happy with just the 6.4 and 8 speed but not as a sport model, something to rival the fm 6.2 8 speed.

Brreaking news: people still burning to death in jeeps because FCA is dragging their feet.http://www.wsj.com/articles/nhtsa-chief-says-probe-of-older-jeeps-may-be-reopened-1428601236
This is probably why FCA needs a partner, one suit already says FCA must pay $150,000,000 for causing a 4 year old boy to burn to death. Surely more to come as several have died since NHTSA ordered them to recall millions.

Did someone say something about a Tesla? you know the battery powered wonder car that cost well over 120K, with motors in the front and rear, with AWD? Sure it is quick off the line, but on the move? not so much, as the Hellcat Charger will walk from one at anything over 30mph, to something like 200mph+ and leave it in the dust, while costing half and much and be able to drive across Country. The only reason the Tesla is quicker (from a dead stop) is the fact it has AWD and the Charger does not, BUT if Ram was to make a SRT 1500 Hellcat with AWD? the Tesla would be left at the charging station.......

Lol

Why not, Chrysler would sell enough of these and it would at the least draw more customers into their showrooms. It has been decades since there has been a true performance truck.

I do hope FCA can make some and CAFE doesn't impact the viability of producing them.

We have a limited run supercharged Maloo ute here. It would be nice to see the US actually have a true performance pickup.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/holden-to-build-100-more-of-hsv-gts-maloo-ute/story-fnjwucvh-1227055683513

U.S. FEDERAL REGULATIONS DEFINE A PICKUP TRUCK AS;

"A NONPASSENGER AUTOMOBILE WHICH HAS A PASSENGER COMPARTMENT AND AN OPEN CARGO BED."

F-150--Yes, Maloo--Yes, Strada--Yes,

????? US Federal Regulations??? I wonder if they have anything to do with the USA???

Notice the terminology, Passenger AUTOMOBILE, not truck.

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Merriam-Webster; defines a pickup truck as "a light truck having an enclosed cab and an open body with low sides and tailgate."

Dictionary.com; defines a pickup truck as a "small truck used for light loads."

The Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary; defines a pickup truck as "a vehicle with an open part at the back in which things can be carried."

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a pickup truck as "a small truck with an enclosed cab and open back."
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Well, it seems you are incorrect as always. The Maloo ticks all the boxes, even using The Webster Dictionary and the US Government. Webster is an American dicitionary.

The world isn't what Cummins thinks, odd that.

Fancy that the US Government considers a pickup an automobile, a car and not a truck.

A Supercharger is a better way to go than a failed turbo on the F-150.
Saturn made a Ion with a supercharger called a "Red Line" they took a stock 4 cyl Chevy engine added a supercharger with excellent reliability
Talking to the local Ford Technicians they tell me they are replacing so many turbos that they can do it blindfolded with one arm tied behind their back, the PLASTIC fins are melting down!
Oh yea! That's a special space age plastic that can handle temps up to 3000 degrees, uh huh, yea sure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Ram_SRT-10

@Jeff S

Decades? 500 hp, 505 cubic inches.

Looks like Marchionne wants some fuel sipping ecoboost and some fuel sipping LS v8's from gm. You know Marchionne wants aluminum body panels as well but doesn't have the cash to develop his own like gm and ford.

"The main problem, Marchionne says, is that the auto industry spends enormous amounts developing proprietary parts, such as engines and transmissions, that make no difference to the consumer. He estimated FCA could save $2.7 billion to $5 billion each year by sharing product development costs with another automaker."

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/windsor/fca-ceo-sergio-marchionne-says-automakers-must-share-development-costs-to-survive-1.3054120

@Cummins/Scott,
Here's the deal with Sergio wanting a merger from Ford and GM...

Hello, I'm a dead beat CEO who wants everyone else to pay for my plans,

This, pretty much.

This is Sergio looking for deeper pockets to keep Fiat afloat.

Fiat, broadly, is a parasite that is in the process of killing its host organism. Sergio is busy looking for a new host.

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58529-fiat-chrysler-ceo-says-combination-with-gm-ford-feasible/

Ford signed a carbon fiber development agreement with Dow..... You can't weld carbon fiber panels together. But you can glue and rivet them together, wink wink. Hmmm I wonder if commentators here can connect the dots on fords long term strategic plan for North America and its global operation.....

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150417005220/en/Ford-DowAksa-Jointly-Develop-Carbon-Fiber-High-Volume#.VUOVMFJOLCQ

"The main problem, Marchionne says, is that the auto industry spends enormous amounts developing proprietary parts, such as engines and transmissions, that make no difference to the consumer. He estimated FCA could save $2.7 billion to $5 billion each year by sharing product development costs with another automaker."

Posted by: Scott | May 1, 2015 9:00:37 AM

Yes Scott and he is right. Maybe he can offer Pentastar with multiair, 8 speed and patent for multilink rear coil suspension nobody else has.
Nobody really needs aluminium body yet. The MPG gain is pathetic if any at all and questionable.
What ford or any other major manufacturer can offer ? I am listening.

@Hemiv8, Wow thanks for posting your stupid recalls again. Only 91 F150 trucks recalled. The rest are cars. I will say like you always do,,, Way to go Ford!! Stepping up and taking matters in your hands and keeping the public safe. Ford is taking care of business the way one should!! Thank you Ford!!!

I don't think anybody wants to share anything from fiat. They have all passed fiat a long time ago. Fiat seems to be the one wanting to share and share in there favor. Aluminum will take over as Ford has already gotten the ball rolling with that too so like they say, if Ford builds it, the others will follow.

At chica

Ford has a 10 speed. Don't need an 8. Fords v6 are better then the pentastar. And fords rear suspension carries more weight and has more capacity then the coil car suspension in the ram.

The cat is out of the bag on Marchionne.... He is in need of help badly as the profit margin for them is pathetic and doesn't bold well for capital to bring advance technology that consumers want.

"INSIDE THE AUTO BUSINESS
Like a 20-something single female who endlessly goes on and on and on about how amazing marriage would be, Sergio Marchionne's constant talk of the need of automaker mergers is beginning to make FCA look dreadfully desperate. From Bloomberg: "While first-quarter profit surged 22 percent, margins lagged far behind FCA’s Detroit rivals. Ford made $924 million on $31 billion in revenue in the first quarter, GM $900 million on $35.7 billion in sales. Fiat Chrysler earned $92 million on $26.4 billion."

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/04/auto-news-for-thursday-april-30-2015.html?m=1

"...and the same ZF eight-speed (8HP70) that Ram, Jeep and Dodge use in their high-horsepower and high-torque applications."

Once again, PUTC does no homework before posting.

The Hellcat Challenger and Charger do NOT use the 8HP70 - at only 700Nm of torque capacity, it would be destroyed as soon as the accelerator was pressed. The Hellcats use the ZF 8HP90 (900Nm = 664 lb-ft).

Ford has a 10 speed. Don't need an 8. Fords v6 are better then the pentastar. And fords rear suspension carries more weight and has more capacity then the coil car suspension in the ram.

Posted by: Scott | May 1, 2015 11:55:18 AM

Ford doesn't have 10 speed and factory hasn't been built yet. 2 years if maybe.
Pentastar is better than ford v6. Pentastar was engine of the year, ford v6 was not.
RAM 2500 with coils has more payload than ford 250 and much better and more confident handling.

I asked what ford and other major manufacturer can offer and didn't get answer yet.

Maybe you don't know to answer this.

@Scott
And don't forget FCA has successful diesel in 1/2 ton. Ford , nada.

Chica.

Ford has a 10 speed.... It will first come in the 450 hp and 500 ft lbs torque v6 2017 raptor that will be out next year. 2.7 v6 is the highest mpg gas motor currently available and that is with a 6 speed. Why even go 8 speed when they have a 10 on the shelf ready to go???? Makes no financial sense..... Ford can bring much needed advance materials that ram will need in the future. Ram brings nothing to the table.

Ford F150 has two turbo V6 engines in the half ton that are more successful than any haf ton diesel offered! Ram 1500.... nada

Ford doesn't need a 10 speed to tow more or outperform the Ram 1500. The 6 speed already gives the F150 3.5L Ecoboost more towing ability, more towing performance, and better fuel economy than the Ram 5.7L Hemi with an 8 speed. So why would they need more than an 8 speed other then to get even better fuel economy?

If you go with the 6.4L in the 2500. Be sure you get the TS done before you take delivery or you will be needing a new engine at just over 1,000 miles like this guy...... http://www.ramforum.com/f158/clattering_truck_thread-66030/

@Scott
"Ford F150 has two turbo V6 engines in the half ton that are more successful than any haf ton diesel offered!"

More successful in what. Burning more gas?

Where I can buy that 10 speed ford has ? I will trade in my 5 speed RAM 1509 Laramie.

I guess you still don't know to answer the question what ford can offer.
Well , I'll give it a rest then.

APRIL NUMBERS

RAM PICKUP +3.4%
FORD F SERIES -1%

Ford is loosing customers and aluminium didn't help.



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