2016 Nissan Titan XD Tackles the Texas Truck Showdown Max Towing Tests

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The all-new 2016 Nissan Titan XD is the first replacement for Nissan's half-ton pickup truck in more than 10 years. Interestingly, Nissan decided to go with a two-tier full-size pickup-truck strategy. The heavier-duty XD model, which seems more like a three-quarter ton than a traditional half-ton, was available first with only one powertrain option: a 5.0-liter V-8 Cummins diesel engine with an Aisin six-speed transmission.

This new "heavy-duty half-ton" is part of Nissan's strategy to carve out some new full-size truck territory for itself where it won't directly compete with regular half-ton or three-quarter-ton pickups. Instead, Nissan is straddling the two segments to offer potential customers something new. Nissan says its research indicated that as many as 150,000 pickup truck buyers each year might be interested in a truck that offers three-quarter-ton towing and payload capability with half-ton driving dynamics.

During our recent Texas Truck Showdown 2016: Max Towing, we thought it would be interesting to see how the Titan XD compared when tested alongside half-ton pickups equipped with max-tow packages. However, we did not to include the XD in our package of stories for several reasons. First, the Titan XD is not a half-ton — although the 2016 Titan, which comes out later this year, is. Second, the only truck Nissan could provide was a 4x4 model, and we requested 4x2s for our half-ton test. Third, it did not come close to our price target of $51,000; it was more expensive by almost $6,000. Fourth, the truck we got was not a sellable production model, although it certainly provided comparable test numbers.

So here's what we learned about the 2016 Titan XD.

 

2016 Titan XD SL

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Our Deep Blue Metallic 2016 Nissan Titan XD SL crew cab rang up at $56,425, including destination, with the standard 5.0-liter V-8 two-stage turbo-diesel Cummins and Aisin six-speed automatic transmission. Price differences between 4x4 and 4x2 base-level trim packages (S, SV, SL and Platinum) is around $3,000, while the PRO-4X model (4x4 only) starts at $52,165 with destination. Our SL model came pretty well equipped with a Rockford Fosgate sound system, heated leather seats, telescoping steering wheel, 20-inch aluminum wheels, power sliding rear window, chrome bumpers and door handles, parking sensors, tie-down cleats in the Utili-track rail system, LED bed lighting, integrated in-bed gooseneck hitch, trailer brake controller, towing mirrors and more. The only option was a set of heavy-duty floormats for $200. Since the Titan XD is designed to be a hauler and puller, there is nothing like a "towing package" typically available on half-ton pickups.

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For a larger version of the 2016 Nissan Titan XD price sheet, click on the image above.

Acceleration

Acceleration tests were done at the Royal Purple Raceway in Baytown, Texas, on a clear, windless, cool day in December with the rest of our Texas Truck Showdown 2016: Max Towing competitors. All the pickups were tested empty (with one adult male behind the wheel) and with 1,750 pounds of rock salt in the beds. All the acceleration numbers for the Titan XD are directly comparable to the other half-tons, but it should be noted the Nissan did weigh 2,360 pounds more than our lightest truck (the 2016 Ford F-150 Lariat) and 1,300 pounds more than our heaviest (the 2016 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition).

During our empty runs down the quarter-mile, the Nissan clocked 17.2 seconds @ 82.9 mph, the slowest of our test group by almost 2 seconds. When comparing the best zero-to-60-mph runs, at 9.4 seconds the Titan XD was slower than the competition by almost 2.5 seconds, and slower than our fastest pickup, the 6.2-liter V-8 2016 GMC Sierra 1500 LTZ, by more than 3.5 seconds.

During loaded runs, the Titan XD did the quarter-mile in 18.3 seconds @ 78.0 mph, again coming in around 2 seconds slower than the other half-tons. In the zero-to-60 test, the Nissan took 11 seconds, 1.6 seconds slower than its empty run. Most of the gas-engine competitors ran this test between a second and 1.5 seconds slower than their empty runs.

Braking

While the Titan XD was sluggish at wide-open throttle, braking was a different story. Each of XD test runs was done on the same stretch of racetrack at the Royal Purple Raceway on the same day with the same test procedures as the other pickups. Each truck was run up to 62 mph in top gear, then allowed to slow down to 60 mph before the brakes were smashed, forcing the pickup into an emergency brake simulation.

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During our empty runs, the much heavier Titan XD put its larger and stronger brakes (both front and rear discs are more than 14 inches in diameter) to the test. It bested three of the five competitors (the Ford, the 2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn and the Toyota) and finished just behind the two GM pickups. Its shortest stopping distance was 143.9 feet.

After we added 1,750 pounds of rock salt, stopping distances for the Nissan lengthened by just 3 feet, stopping from the same speed in 147.0 feet, giving it the second-best stopping distance of the half-ton group.

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Fuel Economy

Our fuel-economy loops were conducted in the Houston area, with a good mix of two-lane city driving and multilane highway cruising. Because of Houston's flat terrain, our empty runs achieved some of the most impressive real-world fuel-economy numbers we've seen.

Interestingly, both the GM players (the 5.3-liter V-8 2016 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LTZ and 6.2-liter V-8 Sierra, both with new eight-speed transmissions) did equally well with a calculated empty mpg (miles driven divided by exact amount of fuel used) of 23.9. The heavier Titan XD did not do as well, with a 19.9 mpg calculation during our 170-mile empty loop.

During our running of the same loop with a 10,100-pound Load Trail flatbed trailer carrying two fully filled water tanks, however, our results were quite different. The bigger, heavier Titan XD with the Cummins V-8 rated at 555 pounds-feet of torque at 1,600 rpm won this contest by sipping the least amount of fuel with a 12.1 mpg calculation.

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The Ford, Ram and Toyota came equipped with larger, optional fuel tanks, offering more tank range when towing or hauling a full load. The GMs and the Titan XD do not offer a larger fuel tank with crew-cab configurations; a 26-gallon tank is standard.

We should note that unlike the other half-ton pickups we tested, the Titan XD does not have an EPA fuel-economy rating because its gross vehicle weight rating is more than 8,500 pounds.

Sounding Off

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All pickup makers understand the importance of interior sound levels since many pickups will see family duty or be used to transport people. All of the premium trim packages have extra sound-deadening materials to create luxury-car quietness for their buyers, but most of the players in this test had a trim package just below top-of-the-line levels; the Ram and Tundra were the exceptions. Although the Titan XD SL was fairly well equipped, Nissan needs to be sensitive to the fact that many of its buyers will likely want to hear the powerful diesel engine.

We measured each pickup with our hand-held sound meter, all in the same place in the same way on the same day. We conducted measurements at idle in a quiet section of a parking lot and at 60 mph on the same stretch of the Interstate 10 just west of Beaumont on a Sunday morning when traffic was light. Tests were conducted with the windows up, and the radio and air conditioning turned off.

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Unsurprisingly, at idle the Cummins diesel was louder than the half-ton gasoline engines at 46.2 decibels. The best trucks, the Silverado and F-150, measured 40.1 decibels. When driving at 60 mph in top gear on the interstate over a recently repaved stretch of road, the Titan XD was quieter than the Ram and the Tundra with a reading of 63.4 decibels. The Ford and GM trucks were at or below 62.5 decibels.

Dyno Ratings

Our chassis dynamometer tests were conducted at EngineLogics' shop just outside Houston. EngineLogics uses a Mustang MD250 in-ground rear-wheel dyno that gave us full horsepower and torque curves for each competitor.

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The Nissan's Cummins engine produced a peak rating of 270 horsepower at 3,100 rpm, but when it comes to diesel engines it's all about the torque. Our Titan XD engine produced 455 pounds-feet of torque at 2,250 rpm. What makes that so impressive is that most of that power is easily accessible from just below 1,700 rpm all the way up to 3,500 rpm, offering the flattest torque curve of anything in this comparison test.

Payload and Towing

Nissan has been clear from the beginning: Its research indicates there are many potential pickup buyers who regularly tow and haul but who don't want the many trade-offs in ride quality, trim packages and functionality associated with three-quarter-ton pickups.

When comparing payload numbers with the Texas Truck Showdown 2016 competitors, the Titan XD numbers aren't as impressive as you might expect, even though it has the highest GVWR at 8,990 pounds. No doubt much of that is due to the fact that it has a heavier diesel engine, stronger frame and suspension, and axles, but the trade-offs are oddly significant here. The Silverado, F-150 and Sierra have higher calculated payload ratings (actual weight subtracted from GVWR) than the Titan XD by more than 270, 170 and 230 pounds, respectively.

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As to its towing capacity, the numbers are equally schizophrenic. Even though the Titan XD 4x4 we tested had the highest gross combined weight rating by thousands of pounds (in some cases), it does not have the highest factory-rated maximum towing capacity (11,638 pounds) of the group. Both the 4x2 F-150 and Sierra had higher factory-rated numbers at 11,800 and 12,000 pounds respectively. Granted, we're measuring 4x4 numbers against 4x2 numbers, but the fact that they're so close is a little discouraging.

Likewise, when calculating a real-world maximum tow rating (factory GCWR minus GVWR), the bigger, heavier Nissan — at 10,460 pounds — offers only 160 pounds more towing capacity than the GMC, 260 pounds more than the Ford and about 1,100 pounds more than the Silverado.

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Drive Impressions

We need to be mindful that this is the first configuration of the new Titan that Nissan is providing; another is coming. The Titan XD comes with four doors, a heavy-duty chassis, a turbo-diesel and a 6.5-foot bed. So this is a longer, bigger, heavier and stronger pickup truck than a normal half-ton. But the half-ton segment is where Nissan expects buyers to come from because the Titan XD will satisfy their unmet needs.

We'll start out positive and say that when carrying a heavy load, the Nissan crushed its competition. While the F-150 and Ram had difficulty running our drive routes and other tests in a confident, controlled manner with 1,750 pounds in the bed, the Nissan felt composed and stable. Several of our drivers noted that if they hadn't seen the factory numbers, they'd guess the XD could carry another 1,000 pounds without a problem.

Where some of the other pickups squatted by as much as 6 inches and were close to the axle bump stops with their load (even when hundreds of pounds short of their max payload rating), the Nissan didn't look like it had anything in the bed, running mostly level. Even our track test driver said that the only way he could tell the Titan XD had the rock salt in its bed was that it seemed to hook up a touch better off the line.

With a conventional 10,000-pound-plus loaded trailer hooked up to the bumper (using a weight-distributing hitch, of course), the Titan XD did seem a bit taxed. But with all that low-end torque and the axle-calming rear sway bar, none of our test drivers said anything about being worried about hauling with the load. The coil-sprung Ram also had a rear anti-sway bar, but it didn't feel nearly as settled as the Nissan.

When it came to towing comfort, the Nissan Titan XD was head and shoulders above the rest, due in large part to its transmission software tuning. Our judges found the grade braking and transmission shifts in the Aisin transmission to be standout features; the exceptionally smart and efficient Aisin held gears properly under load when accelerating from a stop and when braking. The smart grade-shifting and quick downshifts were a huge advantage over the competition.

Additionally, visibility with the towing mirrors and 360-degree surround-view backup camera was excellent, and the key-activated trailer light feature was brilliant and simple. Those, along with the multidimensional trailer-brake controller (three levels of aggressiveness dependent on the type of trailer you're pulling) and the standard gooseneck/fifth-wheel in-bed hitch, make the Titan XD a clear choice for someone who owns or plans to purchase a heavy-duty double- or triple-axle trailer.

Conclusion

The obvious question here is if the Titan XD had competed in our Texas Truck Showdown 2016 Max Towing competition, where would it have placed? For the sake of full disclosure, we tested the Nissan Titan XD at exactly the same time as our other 2016 Texas Truck Showdown competitors and it was judged by experts in comparison to other pickups as well. 

From our tests, after recalculating all the scores to include the Titan XD, it looks like the Nissan would have been the top scorer in four of the 20 scored objective categories/tests (GVWR, GCWR, calculated max towing, and dyno'd max torque), but quite a bit behind the others in almost every other category, leaving it to finish in fourth place after the 20 tests (in front of the Ram and Toyota, but 154 points behind the GMC) and in fifth place (just ahead of the Tundra) after our judges scores were added. The Nissan finished in last place with our judges, finishing 78 points behind the GMC. 

When judged against half-ton pickups — combining judges' scores with our test scores — the Titan XD would have finished in second to last place overall. Still, for a brand-new truck that's carving out new territory in the hopes of finding a new type of truck buyer, there are plenty of things to like here, many of which are only dependent on what you need and like in a pickup.

If you're looking for luxury comfort and a car-like ride, the Titan XD won't be a good choice. When compared to maxed-out half-tons, the Nissan offers a harsher ride even though it has max payload and towing numbers similar to some lighter-duty competitors.

These details are likely be the biggest challenges for salespeople dealing with smart truck shoppers: The XD has capabilities similar to half-ton pickups, it rides rougher, it doesn't have the power or strength of current three-quarter-ton diesel options and it's more expensive. That's going to be a tricky sale pitch.

But if Nissan measures success by sales volume, it's likely to be happy this time next year. Even if Nissan sells a good majority of the Cummins production run (about 40,000 engines), that would more than double the number of Titans sold last year.

One quick reminder: The Titan XD will get a gasoline V-8 in the next few months — a new direct-injection version of the Endurance 5.6-liter V-8 that should have more power and better fuel economy than before. Also, the light-duty Nissan Titan chassis will be shown to journalists later this year; that will offer a V-6 and the new V-8 as engine options with additional trim and cab configurations. We'll have more on those models later.

Cars.com photos by Evan Sears and Angela Connors

 

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Comments

A brand new truck finishing just barely ahead of the oldest platform on the road? Very disappointing. And from what I read that did not even factor in the extra cost of diesel and DEF.

There is little value in the diesel XD when considering cost vs benefit. I thought this would be closer. Nissan should have just gone for broke and went right to 3/4 and 1 ton competition.

Compared to the 1/2 tons - little case for change, compared to the 3/4 tons - not even close? What was Nissan thinking here??

Agreed very disappointed with the Titan, looks like another fail to be the go between a 1/2-3/4 like the gm 1500 HD's.

So is it safe to say the only reason to get this truck, is for better towing? as in ease of towing

Exactly, like I predicted. Expensive niche market, for someone who must have a Nissan. No game changer at all.

Saw one the other day in person. Better looking in person then any of the pictures of it. Nothing ground breaking if it wants to be a 1/2 ton. Really lags in the 3/4 ton segment. Last month sales numbers for the Titan were very unimpressive. It will slightly improve Titans sales numbers for a few months as people will buy it for the cummins name but then falls. This truck line won't callenge the full size truck numbers from Toyota. But the big 3 aren't going to worry about it.

Not worth my hard earned cash in this segment. I'll stick with my trusty 2014 Hemi Powered Ram 2500HD. No thanks Nissan.

Yeah many of us have predicted this. Pay a 3/4 ton price for a truck that performs like a 1/2 ton. In many ways a lot worse than a 1/2 ton. Fuel economy is not much if any better than a 3/4. Soooooooo disappointing. I loved the idea of this truck and had even been asking for something like it, but this came up way short. The only advantage I can see with this truck is that it will probably ride a little better than a 3/4 ton truck. But with ford coming out with an all new super duty it probably won't even have that for long. And with typical incentives you can probably actually get a 3/4 ton diesel for LESS

I see why ram went ecodiesel

Mark Williams:

GCWR minus GVWR is not an accurate measure for calculating towing, for the simple reason that a % of trailer weight will be 'pin weight' or 'tongue weight, which counts against GVWR.

Example:
10,000 lb 5th wheel with 20% pin weight (2000 lbs)

6,000 lb truck with 8,000 lb GVWR and 16,000 lb GCWR

With 6,000 lbs of truck + 10,000 lbs of trailer is within the 16,000 lb GCWR, and the 2,000 lbs of pin weight still has the truck within its 8,000 lb GVWR.

Your method short changes the max towing capacity; in the case of a RAM 3500 HD it would be over 6,000 lbs on the low side.

In the above example, your method would yield 8,000 lbs calculated towing, yet a 10,000 lb trailer stays within both GVWR and GCWR limits, see what I mean? GCWR minus actual measured truck weight would be the accurate method.

@jookes, they also did not use WD which is what the max tow ratings are based on

Yes they did use a wd hitch. They even state it in this article and there was one picture in the last article where you could see it.

This is the full size truck to buy if you must have a Nissan.

Everyone keeps grousing how expensive this truck is- The tester was expensive, but the SV and Pro4x trims stack up well against the benchmark F150. This truck is definitely not for everyone, not even most 1/2 ton crew shoppers. But for those going for a Crew/6ft with tow options, it bears a look.

And then there's the lack of an exhaust brake.If I were looking for a diesel tow vehicle,I would go right the nearest Ram dealer and buy a 3/4 ton Cummins.I think Nissan was in too much of a hurry with this project.Diaz should have known better.

I think it is still a nice truck but there is nothing outstanding with it. The MPG towing is just slightly better than the top 3 gas. And no DEF is necessary. And I really don't thinknow the cost is much of an issue when you compare the Ram and Tundra towing MPG. Stability while towing is good but tires can have a huge affect on that. That's why when you compare that kind of stuff equal tires is nice but not always feasible because you are limited by what manufactures offer. I still cannot believe empty MPG is not better. I have heard and seen much better empty out of all current big 2 and Fiat diesels in 2500s. It does not seem to be a very good introduction into this market. Just another option with a diesel. Still like the truck but don't see it as a threat to Ford or GM sales too much. I know it will sell, but we will see how well as time goes on.

Even Mark W. doesn't know what this truck is about. You're never going to get a 3000lbs heavier diesel truck to drag faster than lighter gas trucks. Take away all subjective and non truck related tasks and the titan xd clearly comes out on top. Better handling when towing, better handling with payload, better mpg when towing. So looks like the other halftons are better at not being trucks.

Very dissapointing finish for Nissan's new truck, but no surprising for those in the know.

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What a disaster for Nissan and Cummins. Nissan added too much weight and short changed specs (capability). I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota tosses any plans for 5L Cummins.

MW knows exactly what he is talking about. The Nissan was very sluggish and will be slower than all of the halftons and the 3/4 tons. It did ok braking, but not the best. It failed miserably in the subjective judging.

Taking out the subjective judging the other trucks were in the top 4 in 16 out of 20 and Nissan was only in the top 4 in 4 out of 20.

Nissan XD has similar towing capability of a half ton. But it doesn't have the power and strength of a 3/4 ton. It costs more than the half tons and probably some 3/4 tons. It has a rougher ride.

It's main selling point here is it squats as little as a GMC Sierra or a 3/4 ton in testing. Good luck with that sales pitch! smh.

I'd give it a look if I ever want to buy a brand new half ton again. It more then likely won't break down as much as my F150's did, but the four head bolts got me worry bout head gasket problems like the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford power junk trucks. I Don't see the need for a brand new truck soon, so I can wait it out and see how the 5.0 Cummins last.

Yep there it is...

Almost the costs of a 3/4 ton with almost the same capabilities of a 1/2 ton.

Just as there were a few who bought the Pontiac Aztek and LOVED it there will be a few who MUST have a CUMMINS because I occasionally tow but never haul anything in my truck, ILOVE Cummins and have the money to burn.

For those folks, enjoy it.

For Nissan I doubt there are 15K of them a year for you...

*four head bolts per cylinder*

"better mpg when towing" - said another poster.

You can throw that one away. Because it was less than 1 mpg better.

You'd have to be towing 24/7 to worry about towing mpg. And with gas at $1.49 a gallon there won't be anyone buying for fuel economy. You also have to calculate for the extra cost of diesel and DEF.

I don't see anything about handling and these are 3/4 tons which are known for the best handling in towing. This Nissan truck squatted less than some of the half ton trucks as it should. There are no real selling points other than its a diesel truck for import buyers that have to buy imports. Good luck with that.

Good job Nissan! Best towing and best fuel economy just like Big Al said!

I'll also add that Nissan did state in one of it's Titan press releases that the Titan lineup will be attractive to 85% of potential pickup buyers from the now 35% with the old Titan.

This alone indicates that the new Titan will be more popular than the older Titan.

Nissan also stated they are considering or have already decided to change one of their plants to have the capacity for 150 000 Titans a year.

Good job Nissan! Best towing and best fuel economy just like Big Al said!

I'll also add that Nissan did state in one of it's Titan press releases that the Titan lineup will be attractive to 85% of potential pickup buyers from the now 35% with the old Titan.

This alone indicates that the new Titan will be more popular than the older Titan.

Nissan also stated they are considering or have already decided to change one of their plants to have the capacity for 150 000 Titans a year.

Good job Nissan! Best towing and best fuel economy just like Big Al said!

I'll also add that Nissan did state in one of it's Titan press releases that the Titan lineup will be attractive to 85% of potential pickup buyers from the now 35% with the old Titan.

This alone indicates that the new Titan will be more popular than the older Titan.

Nissan also stated they are considering or have already decided to change one of their plants to have the capacity for 150 000 Titans a year.

Good job Nissan! Best towing and best fuel economy just like Big Al said!

I'll also add that Nissan did state in one of it's Titan press releases that the Titan lineup will be attractive to 85% of potential pickup buyers from the now 35% with the old Titan.

This alone indicates that the new Titan will be more popular than the older Titan.

Nissan also stated they are considering or have already decided to change one of their plants to have the capacity for 150 000 Titans a year.

Good job Nissan! Best towing and best fuel economy just like Big Al said!

I'll also add that Nissan did state in one of it's Titan press releases that the Titan lineup will be attractive to 85% of potential pickup buyers from the now 35% with the old Titan.

This alone indicates that the new Titan will be more popular than the older Titan.

Nissan also stated they are considering or have already decided to change one of their plants to have the capacity for 150 000 Titans a year.

IF this is how the "XD" performs, how is the half ton gas model going to perform?

IF this is how the "XD" performs, how is the half ton gas model going to perform?

@JC, you said factor in the cost of DEF, there is no way to factor that in, since its dependent on how you drive it, its kind of like FE in general, and why big Al fails to see you cant really know unless you drive one and experience it yourself. I remember when I got my F250 6.7 powerstroke and everyone said I would spend hundreds a year on DEF, and it actually cost me 30 dollars last year, so no big deal and you dont even notice it

The one in blue looks very nice.

If a person is going to buy a pickup for towing duties it appears the Titan will still be working while the 1/2 ton pickups are at the mechanics getting new gearboxes.

But, remember 75% of pickups are bought as a car alternative, hence the huge interest by the B&B on PUTC in th acceleration numbers.

Judging by the comments from the testers and dismissing the stronger points I will stick to my comment that the Titan will take sales away from the horse float set, ie, the lighter end of the HD market.

While the other pickups might out accelerate it I do suspect under more normal driving conditions the Titan's FE will start to look much better. Even using those Fuelly figures the Titan will have it's FE around the same as a V6 gasoline pickup. The V8's and EcoThirst engines will not achieve the same FE.

The reason I say this is due to the towing FE number, this reflects that under load the Titan is the most efficient on fuel even though the vehicle and load wieght is much higher than any of the other pickups.

Again, using raw data like with an emphasis on acceleration, etc doesn't illustrate how good the Titan will be. Bigger or lower numbers does not give any real indication on the performance of the vehicle as a daily driver.

The best indicator is it rides rougher, handle loads better and has better FE when working.

I can see Nissan selling quite a few of these Cummins Titans. Take one for a drive and then make a comparison.

Nissan should of went the coil sprung rear end like the one used in their Nissan Patrol pickups.

Did I read somewhere, some fnckbot asked me about my maths?????

What a goose that person is, maybe even a trollop.

To only get half a MPG more than the best gasoline engine tells me the following:
1 - the Titan is too heavy
2 - the Cummins 5.0 is too thirsty
3 - there's no market for this truck

The Titan XD is a 3/4 ton by regulatory definition, but the Ford F-250, Silverado/Sierra 2500, and Ram 2500 all kill it. The Ram 1500 diesel will run away from it in tank range, and many of the gasoline engines will match it. This is a truck no one asked for, and offers no clear benefit.

It seems many commentors on this site are really car guys, similar to those who hide in a closet and eventually come to light.

If you guys are truck guys like you claim, you'll like this Titan as it is more of a truck and not a car. It runs like a truck , with a truck gearbag, with a truck engine and carries it's claimed load and tows like a truck. Not like a Corolla or Focus that squats when weight is added to the rear of the vehicle.

I like the Cummins Titan, sort of like comparing our mid sizers to your midsizers. It seems some of you guys wouldn't know a work vehicle if your lives depended on it.

Because most of you are car dudes. BEST IN CLASS types, I'd bet most of you wear brand name underwear as well.

So, Mike BC (Lou) what's your view on the TRUCK. It is everything you have concerns about. This vehicle sort of makes you look like one of those "Car Dudes".

RoadTrip,
I'd say it will have as good FE or better than the V8 1/2 ton pickups in real life driving.

The diesel's FE will not change too much, like a gasoline engine.

I do believe the 17mpg as kosher. But what is the FE on a Pentastar Ram in real life? It's around 17mpg. What about the Hemi powered Ram or even on of those 15.4 mpg Eco Thirst aluminiumised F-150s?

It isn't that poor overall.

Again Big AL, if you actually ever go drive vehicles other than your Mazda you would be able to talk from experience instead of from your arse. Just like a back seat driver, if you havent done it yourself you just dont know.

If you guys are truck guys like you claim, you'll like this Titan as it is more of a truck and not a car. It runs like a truck , with a truck gearbag, with a truck engine and carries it's claimed load and tows like a truck. Not like a Corolla or Focus that squats when weight is added to the rear of the vehicle.
Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Feb 8, 2016 1:40:22

Oh my god this is some funny stuff coming from this buffoon. He questions real truck guys yet he is talking about horse floats. He is pretty much the only anti load and tow guy here. Always talks about fuel economy and especially the Ford turbo twins. Yet he is always wrong with that. He also constantly talks about the ride in the F150 even though it was said to be better than the GM twins and the fiat is very car like and much to be desired. BARFO you really need to figure out what you are before questioning others. Obviously you are pro anything but Ford and that is ok. But stick to one or two things and not go all over the spectrum the contradict everything you say. A truck guy, now that is funny coming from a mini truck owner. Kinda like driving a cobalt.

Put the XD numbers up against the average 1/2 ton made in 2005 and it would be an easy big winner. Unfortunately for Nissan, it's 2016. They better throw $8K on the hood after the early "I just gotta have one" buyers get theirs. That should be right about the time the 5.6 motor hits the lots.

BAFO WRITES: "While the other pickups might out accelerate it I do suspect under more normal driving conditions the Titan's FE will start to look much better."

No deal. Empty the Titan got 19.9.

Chevy, GM and Ford were 23-24 mpg empty.

BAFO WRITES: "While the other pickups might out accelerate it I do suspect under more normal driving conditions the Titan's FE will start to look much better."

No deal. Empty the Titan got 19.9.

Chevy, GM and Ford were 23-24 mpg empty.

Interesting results they have on ride quality. Every other review I have seen talks about how good the ride is in the truck about 1/2 quality and better than 3/4 ton. Interesting they said it felt like it could haul another 1000 lbs. My current Titan was rated lowest of all trucks when it first came out but my buddies quit making fun of it pretty quick when we took turns pulling the same race trailer their trucks would always squat so much and ride like crap. The Titan has an extra leaf over all my friends trucks so not sure why it has a lower payload and it wasn't because the leafs were narrower or thinner. It had bigger ones overall.

Nissan, either you make it a capable Half Ton or make it a bonafide Heavy Duty.

Nissan, either you make it a capable Half Ton or make it a bonafide Heavy Duty.

Nissan, either you make it a capable Half Ton or make it a bonafide Heavy Duty.

This truck (nissan) would be great for a contractor whom pulls a trailer everyday and doesn't want to buy a 3/4. I must say that I am very impressed with the GMC 6.2L. I currently drive a tundra but if I was in the market again the GM would be high on my list (Just wish it came in cheaper packages).



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