Tesla: Trucks Are Coming

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Elon Musk's most recent master plan presentation for Tesla's future officially includes a pickup truck and some types of commercial vehicles.

According to USA Today, Tesla will be venturing into the light- and heavy-duty pickup segments at some point in the future. No timing details have been given yet.

In fact, what Tesla CEO Musk actually wants to do is completely revolutionize the auto industry, the energy industry and even space exploration, any one of which would be daunting. We have to admit, going after all three of these massive undertakings makes it a little difficult to take the idea that an all-electric set of pickups or big rigs are on the horizon.

To date, no major manufacturer is making an electric or hybrid pickup truck. The only success story in the category is the fleet-biased repackaging company VIA Motors, but sales have been relatively low and sluggish compared to other pickup makers. With that said, we do think there could be a place for such a pickup, especially if it offered some unique features and capabilities.

In the meantime, it's possible both Ford and GM (and maybe Toyota) could come to market relatively soon with a hybrid powertrain before Tesla announces the next phase of its newest master plan.

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Musk is a big thinker. So far large scale production and follow through aren't his strong suits. Investors might become tired of his antics.

This site is nothing but a promotional plug for Tesla

I think Musk forgets that electricity does not grow on trees. Someone has to produce it and that takes energy and the sun cannot make it alone.

That's a awesome looking semi truck!

Tesla will merge with Ram.

This will be my next truck!

Electric trucks have there place but not for me. What I want to know is how this guy stays in business? From what I recall, Tesla has turn a profit since it started.

If by "investors" you mean "taxpayers" then yes, investors like me are tired of paying foreigners like him to succeed and further the agenda of the religion of eco-fascism.

hasn't*

All vehicles will be electric some day. I think we may just as well accept that fact.

Yeah, by the year 2025...

My lord I actually agree with johnny doe !!! I need a beer !!!

All vehicles will be electric some day. I think we may just as well accept that fact.

Posted by: opinion | Jul 23, 2016 3:06:19 PM

There was a time when all vehicles (cars) were electric.

Tesla will merge with Ram.

This will be my next truck!
Posted by: HEMI V8 TESLA | Jul 23, 2016 12:24:49 PM

This.

Ford doesn't have a technology to make even great diesel engine, brakes or properly shifting trany, you can't expect them to build a working electric truck, but they copycat Toyota's blueprints, so you never know.


by "investors" you mean "taxpayers" then yes, investors like me are tired of paying foreigners like him to succeed and further the agenda of the religion of eco-fascism.
Posted by: BD | Jul 23,
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And Oil corporations get even more taxpayer supported handouts,,at least Tesla strives to make clean machines..or do you enjoy breathing exhaust fumes so much??

I think Musk forgets that electricity does not grow on trees. Someone has to produce it and that takes energy and the sun cannot make it alone.
Posted by: Peter | Jul 23,
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I guess we have toss some more logs into the fire,eh?

Electric trucks have there place but not for me. What I want to know is how this guy stays in business? From what I recall, Tesla has turn a profit since it started.


Posted by: johnny doe |

Tesla survives mostly on selling carbon credits

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/as-tesla-gears-up-for-suv-investors-ask-where-the-profits-are

How do you get to the underpinnings to work on that ?

Ford doesn't have a technology to make even great diesel engine, brakes or properly shifting trany, you can't expect them to build a working electric truck, but they copycat Toyota's blueprints, so you never know.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 23, 2016 6:07:42 PM

Well, looky what we have here.

Fiat Chrysler CEO says he will copy Tesla.....


Fiat Chrysler CEO says he will copy Tesla's Cars if he can make a buck off it

“If he can show me that it can be done, I will do it as well, copy him, add Italian style to it and put it on the market within 12 months,” he added.” - Fiat-Ram CEO

http://electrek.co/2016/04/15/fiat-chrysler-ceo-tesla-model-3-musk-profit/

smh.

range=not


Ford doesn't have a technology to make even great diesel engine, brakes or properly shifting trany, you can't expect them to build a working electric truck, but they copycat Toyota's blueprints, so you never know.

Posted by: RAM | Jul 23, 2016 6:07:42 PM

@ RAM recall; Ford made the right move to build their own power plants to avoid out-sourcing fiasco's they had in the past. Unlike like RAM (& shaky GOVT motors) who cannot build their own and/or do not have the finance are stuck with their supplier's limitations. Ford's leading ecoboost engine technology will only improve with time & experience; the new versions as featured in the winning GT & upcoming Raptor proved their investment was worth it...you can take that to the bank.

RAM has their own Ecodiesel with Multijet II. Wet Ford's dreams.
Of course Marchionne was sarcastic and you didn't get it. He was implying, that Tesla wouldn't make any money if not taxpayers money from FED's, something like ford got for ecoboost.
It doesn't mean he will copy a Tesla part by part, screw by screw. Only fool would think that.

FCA has been buying up suppliers, including VM (diesel engine makers), Magneti Marelli, and Teksid; and has been bolstering its own internal parts capabilities. For example, Chrysler has been making more engine blocks, camshafts, and crankshafts, re-insourcing this work from Mexican and Chinese suppliers.

Some of these acquisitions were made even though Fiat (and then FCA) had extensive, expensive loans and was trying to conserve capital. Why buy the half of VM it didn’t already own, while delaying development of key Fiat cars? Why invest in building engine blocks in the US, while desperately negotiating with banks?

Perhaps FCA is trying to gain an advantage through vertical integration, while still keeping the parts divisions on their toes by having them continue to sell globally and big against outside parts makers for internal contracts (Chrysler was not automatically given the engine block business for Ferrari’s V6 engines, used in Maserati cars). As a side bonus, FCA can get some key technologies early, and with more help from their creators.

Yes, FCA may need an Asian name/distribution network, but in the meantime they are building up their own presence globally — the same method Chrysler Corporation was using before the disastrous giveaway to Daimler-Benz.

FCA started building up Chrysler’s parts manufacturing almost from the first day they took over. It’s something to ponder.

Maybe, just maybe, all the analysts who say that Mr. Elkann and Mr. Marchionne are simply trying to puff up FCA so they can sell it off are dead wrong. Maybe they are trying to build a business for the ages — to make sure Fiat and Chrysler enjoy a second hundred years (counting Chrysler’s birth back to Maxwell Motors for its century), or at least so they have a stable foundation for the future.

Sergio Marchionne said that FCA would be net-debt-free in 2018, and so far, just about all his financial targets have been hit. I wouldn’t bet against him.

When I look at FCA, I don’t see a company polishing its ledgers for a quick sale; I see a company investing heavily in its future. I haven’t seen layoffs of engineers; I’ve seen hiring binges. I haven’t see sales of “underperforming” assets, I’ve seen billions of dollars invested in making them perform.

All I can say to tesla is .........good luck. You're going to need it.

I talked to a man that was doing energy research at a major university. He loves electric cars but doesn't think electric cars are going to be the major long-term solution. He thinks we will have a combination of all-electric and hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles in the future but it is going to remain mostly plain old internal combustion engine for the next 100 years. Unless there is some yet to be discovered breakthrough.

Ram doesn't have a technology to make even great diesel engine, brakes or properly shifting trany, you can't expect them to build a working electric truck, but they copycat Tesla's blueprints, so you never know.

Last HD shootout:
Ram in last place in braking
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-braking.html

2015 F-150 Drive:

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/10/2015-ford-f-150-drive-impressions-video.html

At 2:12 "We had between 7 and 9 thousand pound trailers out on the highway and both did exceptionally well, primarily because we think this may be THE SMARTEST transmission we have ever driven. In tow haul mode, very smart very quick and smart to downshift on the grades. You off throttle. Boom Boom. It controls your speed and brings your rate of decelaration down those hills exactly to the right point. Also when you're climbing it brings your acceleration also very quick to downshift and give you that extra power and holds it to it feels it is right to upshift."

Diesel engines:
"The Ford attacked the hill at a steady and easy pace, running the 7.2-mile stretch in 9 minutes and 40 seconds, while the Chevy ran almost 30 seconds behind the Ford, and the Ram lagged more than 2 minutes behind the Chevy. In fact, for most of the climb up the hill the Ram downshifted to 1st gear, spinning the engine at 4,500 rpm, marching along at less than 30 mph."

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge-eisenhower-pass.html

RAM does have the best diesel technology in the RAM 1500. They decided to use US build Cummins in their RAM 2500+ instead. I don't blame them. It's proven, reliable, something Ford customers can't count on yet. Just few of you uses trucks for racing. I have a sport motorcycle for that and you can't compete with your truck. Ford propaganda tells you to buy a truck for straight street racing with power braking. Well, enjoy, just don't cry you bought a wrong tool for that, when I pass you at my Kawasaki.

@Chris P.
I was talking about diesels and you post topics and links about Gasoline engines shootout.
No comment.

Chris P and Ram -

This is what you meant to post.....

The Power Stroke dominated our acceleration and hill-climb tests, winning just about every zero-to-60-mph and quarter-mile run we set up. It even did incredibly well in our biggest exhaust brake tests, scoring light-years ahead of where they were the last time we tested a one-ton Ford Super Duty turbo-diesel.

Most of the issues we had with this 2015 Super Duty had to do with ride quality and interior (decorating) design.

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I'll also add that Ford came in 2nd in empirical with only 6 pts difference between GM and Ford.

8 tests won by GM and 7 tests won by Ford. A virtual tie with GM getting the edge

Ram came in dead last in empirical scoring with more 100 pts behind GM. Ram had the slowest times and speed up the Eisenhower Pass.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014/08/ultimate-one-ton-hd-challenge-and-the-winner-is.html

Ford has an excellent diesel! All they needed was a new interior which they solved with the 2017.

I agree. Ford has a faster diesel than Cummins . We still don't know how far it goes, but it's faster for sure.

Ken,
Drive a Tesla and you'll become a believer. My best friend a neighbor have 2 S85's. One has 55,000 mi and the other about 25,000. Each has been trouble free and are incredibly fun to drive. You think diesels have torque? Drive a Tesla and you'll know what torque is. He has access to Tesla Superchargers and can charge his batteries to near 75% in less than 15 min. He also can have his batteries swapped out for fully charged batteries in under 10 min. Because you swap batteries your not stuck with a $4000 battery replacement at 150,000 like aToyota Prius. Don't knock Musk or Tesla until you actually have driven one and understand all the cost savings. Their resale value is unmatched too.

@ Neil
Is that, what he told you ? LOL.

Musk is going to build a truck, because he won't sell enough small cars to break his business even.
He would be losing money if not a taxpayers money. Here is a reason why he wants to get a piece of that.

@BankRuptinPA
Americans have spoken: Now 54.5 mpg CAFE target is off the table.

Automakers have all the tools at their disposal to meet the 54.5 mpg corporate average fuel economy targets for the 2025 model year, but buyer preferences for SUVs and trucks make it likely that the industry will fall short of that number, U.S. regulators said in a report Monday.

The EPA, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and California Air Resources Board released their draft Technical Assessment Report analyzing costs, technology and other issues involved in the industry’s drive toward lowering greenhouse gas emissions. The assessment was scheduled as part of the 2011 agreement to lower emissions in cars and improve fuel economy by the 2025 model year.

The auto industry is “adopting fuel economy technologies at unprecedented rates,” the government agencies said in a statement Monday. “Car makers and suppliers have developed far more innovative technologies to improve fuel economy and reduce GHG emissions than anticipated just a few years ago.”

The report also says that automakers have been able to meet the current regulations for about the same cost or even less than the government projected in 2012. And the report says automakers will be able to meet standards with improvements in standard gasoline engines, and won’t need to rely heavily on sales of hybrids or electric cars.

Even with all those positives, government officials said, the 54.5 mpg goal is off the table. Lower gasoline prices have kept demand for SUVs, crossovers and other light trucks higher than originally anticipated, meaning the advances in fuel economy technology won’t be reflected fully in the fleet averages, which are sales-weighted.

Senior administration officials told reporters on a conference call Monday that the 54.5 mpg goal was never a mandate but more of an estimate of where the industry could be by the 2025 model year. That estimate was based on an assumption that 67 percent of the market would be cars and 33 percent would be SUVs, crossovers, pickups and other light trucks.

But customers haven’t moved from their desire to buy SUVs, crossovers and trucks. Now the government estimates the overall fleet average fuel economy will hit between 50 mpg and 52.6 mpg by the 2025 model year. The new estimates assume a more even split between cars and trucks in the marketplace.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a trade group for 12 carmakers and the Detroit 3, said in a statement that “excessive regulatory costs could impact both consumers and the employees who produce these vehicles.”

Changing the target fuel economy figure reflects consumer demand, the alliance said. “The government is acknowledging the effect of factors like low gas prices on consumer sales, and the impact of consumer sales on those targets,” it said.

Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign, said the auto industry has the power to shape consumer preferences through its advertising campaigns and could easily meet the 54.5 mpg target if it stopped aggressively marketing SUVs and trucks.

“There is no excuse not to improve efficiency and strengthen the standards,” Becker said. “We can’t accept backsliding or loopholes that undermine their success just to put more gas-guzzlers on the road.”

The report is open to public comment for 60 days. The EPA will make a final determination on the 2022 to 2025 model year regulations by April 1, 2018.

I would suggest to all of you fellow truck drivers to send a comment to the EPA, you want to drive a truck in 50 years, and send hill&ri to the hell.

50 mpg by 2025 is for smaller trucks like an S10 and 50 CAFE translate to only 37 on the window sticker.

F-150 size trucks will have 30 MPG CAFE in 2025 which is 23 mpg on the window sticker. We already got that.

CAFE rules are not set in stone and can also be repealed.

320,000 fiat rams, jeeps and 200's recalled for a bad wiring harness. Fiat may not have to worry about the future with all these recalls!!

@Done
Not even one complain or accident reported. Did ford start to replace those 450 000 Brake Master Cylinders yet ?
Can someone confirm this please ?


Look it up. Seems like fiat just stays in trouble. Poor reliability and just one recall after the other. Whether anyone has been hurt or not doesn't take away the fact they could be.

#1 reason I won't buy a Fiat-Chrysler is no the product. It is the company, dealership and service departments - want to have some work done - they don't have a clue and have a bad attitude. Fiat dealerships are a complete mess and disgusting.

On the other hand, a nice Ford dealership with a Quick Lane and 29 service bays - nothing can top that.

@Dave
I agree. You have to have a ford, if you enjoy to be in the service bay all the time.

Fiat doeesn't have the money to provide good service after the sale and nice dealerships. The are the bottom feeders of auto makers. You get what you pay for.

I don't need any service for my 2010 RAM , because it's flawless. One recall for diferential nut loctite possible missing has been handled not perfectly at all. They checked that right away, nothing wrong with that, but I needed to wait for the new parts to replace it anyway, which nobody is happy about. No engine, no trany, no brakes recall. Just look what ford needs to replace or fix. Basically all the truck components. Engine, trany, brakes recalls. No wonder they need 19 line service bay + express line for their own employees. Ford dealers makes lots of money from the service. FCA dealers not so much. I agree, that ford dealers are doing better, because of that , but I don't buy a vehicle to make a dealer happy. Please, feel free to do what ever makes you happy.
No one posted anything about the 450 000 ford brakes master cylinders replacement, so I am assuming, it didn't start yet. 6 month driving with defective master cylinders and counting.
At least your ford dealer will make a pile of the money again, so he can invest in good espresso machine .


Fiat Chrysler is under investigation for allegedly inflating its sales figures.

This is how Fiat commits their crimes......
paying dealers to falsely report sales of dozens of vehicles on the last day of the month, and then to "back-out," or undo the sales on the first day of the next month

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/18/news/companies/fiat-chrysler-sales-probe

Macroni needs to go to jail for this!

@Scott
It doesn't make sense.

In its statement Monday, Chrysler said its recorded annual and quarterly sales reports and revenues are based on shipments to dealers, not on the sales to the consumers who eventually buy the cars and trucks. It said it cooperating with the investigations.

Yep. The FBI has fiat/rams number. Just a very shady company and along with POOR service and RELIABILITY, they are doomed. I guess ziveria or who ever will have excuses but the truth will set you free!!

It doesn't make sense.
Posted by: RAM | Jul 24, 2016 5:52:56 PM

It makes perfect sense.

Sales reports and revenue reports for annual and quarterly reports are two different things.

Annual and quarterly financial reports are based on shipments.

But sales reports like you see on PUTC are supposed to be based on actual sales to end users. Fiat is rigging the system. By including vehicles that didn't actually sell on the last day of the month and then taking that back on the first of the next month, this illegal!!!!!

Yep. The FBI has fiat/rams number. Just a very shady company and along with POOR service and RELIABILITY, they are doomed. I guess ziveria or who ever will have excuses but the truth will set you free!!
Posted by: Done | Jul 24, 2016 6:14:17 PM

This is so true.

Ram is spinning when they are talking about annual reports. Nobody was even talking about that.

We are talking about monthly sales reports to end users. Notice Fiat didn't want to talk about that.

Like the spin you get from their dealerships, Fiat the company is spinning.

"I guess zeria or who ever will have excuses but the truth will set you free!!"

I heard Zera had to get a tranny replacement for his wife's brand new Jeep. That is the kind of nightmare I am trying to avoid.

I really wanted to get a Jeep for a family member. But if I had recommended the Jeep and it had all of those kinds of problems zveria's wife was having I would feel really bad.

I cannot with good conscious buy or recommend a Fiat vehicle to anyone.

LOL.

Chrysler is worse now than they were in 2009 becuase of FIAT so ford is better


I cannot with good conscious buy or recommend a Fiat vehicle to anyone.

Posted by: completed | Jul 24, 2016 6:30:42 PM

I am in the same boat. I owned both a Jeep Cherokee and Charger. I had nothing but issues with both of them. Electrical gremlins, transmission issues, warning lights. For 2 years I battled with that crappy suv. The Charger was similar but no transmission problems but developed a rod knock in 8K miles. Would not start multiple times and left my kids stranded at a park waiting for a tow truck. As of this weekend we are fiat motors free. The worst car years of my life were owning fiat products.

Feel free to buy anything you want to. Please do not buy a Jeep or RAM. I want to keep this brand for myself. Very appreciated.

Please do not buy a Jeep or RAM.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 24, 2016 7:49:17 PM

Could not agree more. Anything related to fiat is going down the drain in a hurry. They are the toilet of the auto industry. Nothing but a lipstick company to try and get sales. The experience of ownership will quickly show the lipstick is nothing but show.



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