2018 Ram 2500, 3500 Redesign Delayed

2016 Rams 3500s II

The Ram heavy-duty lineup will not be redesigned and upgraded for the 2018 model year as originally indicated in a 2014 Fiat Chrysler Automobiles product plan, but instead will be delayed in order to save money.

According to Automotive News (subscription required), FCA is interested in saving some cash. The easiest way to do that is by delaying the significant investment needed to retool the Saltillo, Mexico, Ram HD plant for at least a year or two.

Although the news could help FCA in the short-run, it also could potentially hurt surging Ram pickup truck sales, which look like they'll be finishing the year up more than 8 percent over 2015.

Both GM and Ford have completely redone their heavy-duty turbo-diesel engines to better compete for the discerning work-truck buyer. Ford also completely redesigned its entire F-250, F-350 and F-450 pickup and chassis-cab lineup for 2017. No doubt some are saying this news could not have come at a worse time for potential Ram 2500, 3500, 4500 or 5500 buyers.

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oh well, the writing was on the wall :-(

1000 ft lbs for a 6.7 Cummins made just for RAM...

Nothing new, usually the new 1/2 ton comes out.. Due in 2018 then year after the new Heavy Duty...

RAM H.D already outsells Chevy..Ford,well king of fleet..

Meanwhile, more rave reviews for the new Raptor; can't wait to get one!!!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/2017-ford-raptor-first-drive/ar-AAlwp9a?li=BBisPVf&ocid=spartandhp

Watch all the RAM turds come out of the woodwork to defend their brand to the last straw :-)

Meanwhile the Raptor sales are as high in demand as the new GT....GO FORD!!!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-ordering-has-begun/ar-AAjUN3G?ocid=spartandhp

I'm waiting on the review , test drive of the 2017 Canyon Denali with V6 and eight speed

I'm waiting on the review , test drive of the 2017 Canyon Denali with V6 and eight speed

RAM going bankrupt again sounds like

Money issues.

Sergio needs to go. He is going to run that company into the ground. They need Alan Mullaly.

Watch all the RAM turds come out of the woodwork to defend their brand to the last straw :-)

Meanwhile the Raptor sales are as high in demand as the new GT....GO FORD!!!
Posted by: Lionel | Dec 14, 2016 2:44:20 PM

Must not be much demand for the Raptor then, since Ford is only building 250 over priced v6 GT's for 400,000 grand a year. That 90 grand corvette will smoke all day long.

As it was said by many in the past, RAM should have been it's own separate Brand and simply had nothing to do with Fiat-Chrysler.

That 90 grand corvette will smoke all day long.


Posted by: johnny doe | Dec 14, 2016 5:24:44 PM

Sound like a $90K Piece of Crap.

@Alex, Robert, Raymond and Wild Willy:

FCA's problems are more severe than anyone realizes. Sergio has been on a spending spree ever since the brands formally merged in 2014, and everything has been rolling downhill since. Spinning off Ferrari, Fiat Industrial/Commercial Vehicles and CNH into standalone companies has left the remainder of the company (FCA) without a cushion to land on. Now look at the rest of his actions: picking a fight with VW's executive board (before VW was engulfed it its emissions cheating scandal), killing off passenger car lines, and investing in more SUVs and CUVs, all while choking the Ram Pickups, is making the company a laughing stock.

And toss these into the mix:

1. Fuel prices are on the rise. With no small car (or small pickup, for that matter) on the future list, FCA will be hurting. Expect to feel the pain by June 2017.

2. The last time Ram/Dodge Ram/Dodge Truck went through a product drought was from 1971 to 1993. The vans ran from 1971 to 2001, when Daimler gave them the Sprinter. Care to bet the new Ram update gets pushed back to 2022-2025, considering they are still around?

3. Sergio Marchionne plans to retire in 2018. He needs cash in his retirement fund. Hint?

Blame the Agnelli (Fiat) family, since they own the majority of FCA stock. They should have sent Sergio packing years ago.

That's good news for me I like the current design and am a year or so out from a new one, bigger rebates works for me, I would not be surprised if the Cummins gets a update before the refresh .

We were all waiting so long for this new redesign for almost 3 years an now its going to be delayed at least another 2 1/2 years so that's maybe 2019/2020, so disappointing.

RAM was ahead of the ford with fully boxed frame and still is with aero and design, so why to fix something if it's not broken? Ford spent money down the toilet for the aluminium no one asked for and gasoline price is down, very bad timing and planning by ford. Couldn't be worse for the ford.
FCA is laughing at the ford right now,because they can beat the ford with pricing heavily and still be profitable. RAM can sell what ever they build, because they can adjust pricing more flexible than ford.
Marchione is smarter than Ford for sure.

Hey RAM - we're laughing at you! LOL

Lionel, your life is wasting nature resources then. But you will be a good fertilizer. On second thought,no.

Hey RAM, keep grabbing those straws, it's more than laughable now LOL....but hey someone has to be No.3 :-))

But seriously, I actually hope RAM will not go belly up again as I for one believe in competition & healthy for all.

You don't need too much to laugh Lionel. You are like Hilary.You are laughing and you don't know why. Inappropriate laughing doesn't makes you smart.
No3 No3 ,you mean like sales ? As long as I drive the best truck, I could drive a No 10 no problem. Are you gonna laugh at Mercedes numbers, when they get on the market ? Good for you. Keep laughing, because you have no idea what life is about.
Happy Holliday season everyone.

LET THE JEALOUS FAN BOIIII'S HATTE! I KNOW WHAT MY NEXT TRUCK IS GOING TO BE. THE CLASS LEADING, TOW KING, AWARD WINNING 2022 RAM TRUCKS.

LET THE AS/S KICKING COMMENCE!

We have the Only 6 cylinder truck diesels so we are better then ford or chevy so we will be #1 by 2018 even with outdated pickup truck

Heavy duty trucks aren't in my wheelhouse so I really don't care.
Only intersting thing about this to me is if this is further proof that the Cummins and Ram partnership is coming to the end and FCA is still working on what engine they are going to use.
My sources tell me Cummins is bailing on them.

In the meantime, I will be enjoying my Hemi.

GM still not interested in FCA merger - Detroit Free Press
www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2015/06/...merger/28728839/

Why redesign anyway? They're already blowing the competition out of the water in the hd segment. 8 percent sales increase while everyone else lost sales or is at a stand still. Plus most hd truck buyers I know aren't buying a hd based on looks, that just a bonus, performance comes first.

My sources tell me Cummins is bailing on them.

I'll have to see it to believe it. People have been saying they're gonna split for years since back in the mid 2000's

Fiat is having money issues with owning Chrysler... hmmm talk to old Independent American Chrysler or any of Chrysler's previous 2 "handlers/owners" and they will tell you about "money" issues with putting a "Chrysler" in your name.

Is it major? Hard to say. Delaying ones plans with the most successful and profitable vehicle in ones line is big big deal especially with the insanely competitive nature of the HD market. Falling behind will cost them dearly but then again if fuel prices rise or an economic hiccup occurs it could be money well saved and having the oldest product available will also make them the cheapest and help with sales in a bad market.

Being forced to change the plan is rarely something one wants or benefits greatly from but recognizing changes and limitations is how one avoids disaster.

So with truck sales up, relatively cheap fuel, a decent economy, and Fiat abandoning Chrylser small cars and habitually still building the worst small and midsized cars badged both Chrysler and Fiat why "punish" Fiat trucks?

First, FORD idles plants, offers 30% discounts. Now FCA delaying redesigned HD's. Meanwhile, GM mid size trucks well have another exponential growth month. GM saw where the market was heading and are now enjoying the profits.

FCA has been financially reeling for a while and now with 1500 ED production issue/EPA diesel investigation, it'll only get worse.

The consumer market in North America has been crap for the better part of 20 years. Things started going sour in 2001 following the dot.com bust; since then discretionary spending by families only got a short bump from housing re-financing during the 2002-2007 period and just got much worse after the housing bust.

During that time Chrysler was owned by several different major groups (Daimler, Cerberus and Fiat) not to mention the US taxpayers.

All lost money on the deal. Especially Daimler considering they paid almost $40 billion back in the 1990s only to sell to Cerberus for about a tenth of that.

No one is standing in line to merger with Chrysler these days and everybody else (Koreans, Japanese, Chinese) seem to have better things to do with their funds.

This is the last hurrah for RAM. RIP

"My sources tell me Cummins is bailing on them."

This would have made a lot more since 25 years ago when Ford wanted Cummins bad enough to buy 20% of the company. Now both Ford and Chevy have new diesels that are arguably state of the art and with a lot on capital tied up in them. So the question is: What would Cummins do with the factory that supplies engines to Ram? I don't see Nissan taking up the slack. If Ram bails on Cummins they had better really think that one through too. The Cummins may well be more important to many buyers than the Ram name is.

Well ford customers where waiting 5 years for 10speed, so 2 more years to wait for redesigned RAM is not a big deal. RAM is ahed in technology and design anyway so what.
No one has a multilink or air ride, but outdated leafs. No one has better airo or design than RAM.

You never ceases to amaze me on the amount of ineptitude comments you keep seeing from people who claimed to know trucks. Talk about of true lack of knowledge of Chrysler product line and fan boy club mentality.

Fiat or FCA, is in trouble due to a real problem...it is SERGIO himself. He needs to go...period. Like HRC, the man could not navigate himself out of a paper sack.

Chrysler needs to returns to its grass roots and get out of foreign or other ownerships. It went from a profitable company before MB, then inherited a lack of automotive manufacturing management skills. MB was financially strapped for cash and used Chrysler's reserve capital to go on useless buying spree. Ever since then, it has been hell for the company and its employees.

Too big ,too much like a buck board wagon ride.
might be ok for fleet sales I can't see anyone wanting any of these heavy duty trucks not even the Nissan Titan XD they simply are too big and too heavy
Even a 1/2 ton today is bigger than most people will ever need.
the 1/2 ton trucks of yesterday are what the midsize are today.
around 4800 lbs these close to 6,ooo lb zeplin half tons of today are nothing more than the Manufacturers fleecing the people.

Fiat or FCA, is in trouble due to a real problem...it is SERGIO himself. He needs to go...period. Like HRC, the man could not navigate himself out of a paper sack.
Posted by: Stlaurent | Dec 15, 2016 9:57:05 AM

He saved the Jeep , and RAM and he is still doing better job than ford,so what's your problem wirh him . Chrysler Pacifica hybrid is dream for other manufacturers, Ford and GM doesn't even produce. Better EPA Mpg than projected. Fors needed to revise down their hybrid MPG window sticker several times . They build a new factory for RAM. In the USA, not in the Mexico.
Could you be more specific what's your problem with Marchione ? Oh, I know, he is still kicking GM and Ford and he is pain in their and yours az.


Honestly, I couldn't care less. Ram made its biggest mistake by abandoning the 'suicide door' access to the back of the cab which makes loading and unloading significantly more difficult. Sure, it improved the rollover strength but they could have done that with a B-pillar anyway and still kept the doors as they were for access. It's the one thing I like about the F-150 and one of two things I like about the GM C-twins, along with the Toyota Tacoma. Of course, cleaning up the floor in back would be helpful; those 'storage bin' seat supports clutter up what should be load floor. Seems like only Honda got that one right.

"Too big ,too much like a buck board wagon ride.
might be ok for fleet sales I can't see anyone wanting any of these heavy duty trucks not even the Nissan Titan XD they simply are too big and too heavy. Even a 1/2 ton today is bigger than most people will ever need. The 1/2 ton trucks of yesterday are what the midsize are today. Around 4800 lbs these close to 6,ooo lb zeplin half tons of today are nothing more than the Manufacturers fleecing the people."
-- Posted by: David | Dec 15, 2016 10:42:36 AM

Nope, that's not me saying that this time, but I'm glad to see someone agrees with me.

"FCA has been financially reeling for a while and now with 1500 ED production issue/EPA diesel investigation, it'll only get worse."
-- Posted by: Ken | Dec 15, 2016 7:19:46 AM

That's an assumption that doesn't seem to have any evidence to support it; rather, it looks more like VW sour grapes trying to implicate everyone else in their criminal activities. I'd suggest a wait and see, because an investigation is not proof of guilt.

"So with truck sales up, relatively cheap fuel, a decent economy, and Fiat abandoning Chrylser small cars and habitually still building the worst small and midsized cars badged both Chrysler and Fiat why "punish" Fiat trucks?"
-- Posted by: Clint | Dec 15, 2016 7:14:12 AM

"Worst" tends to be an erroneous perception based on seriously obsolete reputations, despite what CR and other commercial reviewing organizations claim. From what I see with current owners and know from personal experience, those cars aren't nearly as bad as claimed.

"Blame the Agnelli (Fiat) family, since they own the majority of FCA stock. They should have sent Sergio packing years ago."
-- Posted by: imoore | Dec 14, 2016 6:07:14 PM

You know, when I start seeing someone cry, "Fire the CEO," then that CEO must be doing something right--because the company, whatever the company, is making more money than ever before.

...when I start seeing someone cry, "Fire the CEO," then that CEO must be doing something right--because the company, whatever the company, is making more money than ever before.

@Roadwhale

Top-line business performance, and the net profit, are NEVER the responsibility of the CEO. Those are sales & operations measurements.

In every business bigger than a hotdog stand, it's the CEO's job to capitalize the company. Always and everywhere. No exceptions. A company in Fiat's condition should not be relying on their net profit to fund the future, at least until all strategic goals are met.

Sergio has utterly failed in that regard, although it remains to be seen if anybody else would have been more successful at such a fool's errand. Chrysler has been a dog for a very long time.

Smart decision by RAM CEO. Why build a new truck when people are lined up around the block to buy the old one. RAM is raking in pure uncut profit right now. Buyers just love the old RAM. Plus RAM can offer a lower price because their old worn out dies have long ago paid themselves off.

Lionel, even smart people can't get unther my skin. I am too old and very secured for that.
Selling numbers, profit , investment and debt doesn't support your wishful thinking.

Chrysler through it's many owner identities had always lacked reliability!!!
Posted by: Lionel | Dec 15, 2016 1:06:50 PM

The dodge brothers came from Ford, so that shows for the few hic ups they had. It's 2016 and Ford just recall 650,000 vehicles the other week. Ford is bigger then FCA but barly beat them in profits last quarter.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2016/10/25/fiat-chrysler-third-quarter-earnings/92710158/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2016/10/27/ford-earnings-expected-tumble-year-ago/92807234/

Lionel better go suck on his pacifier, FCA is fixing to pass Ford in trucks sales and Company size, with the profits to boot. Tuff stuff to hear, and know about if your a Ford clown.

@ johnny doeby; FCA is fixing to surpass shaky cheby's butt in sales...hahahaha!

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I read some where that when Fiat bought Chrysler they were in debt $12 billion, since then they have paid off almost half of that and they are on track to be out of debt by the end of 2018. That is an impressive accomplishment, plus the current trucks are selling well so I'm guessing they are going to keep selling the current trucks to maximized their profits and push the expense of building a new trucks a few months.

That Nissan is a good looking truck but it already looks dated and the interior looks like something the big 3 offered in the early 2000's but it is a huge improvement from the last gen Titan.

Well if FCA wanted to Tap into the The IVECO engine line they would still have Use of the FPT NEF series 6.7 L Diesel Plant which shares common tech with the Cummins 6.7

They probably delayed the refresh, due to the fact that they might not have a diesel engine supplier if the law-suit goes south with Cummins...

"Top-line business performance, and the net profit, are NEVER the responsibility of the CEO. Those are sales & operations measurements.
In every business bigger than a hotdog stand, it's the CEO's job to capitalize the company. Always and everywhere. No exceptions. A company in Fiat's condition should not be relying on their net profit to fund the future, at least until all strategic goals are met."
-- Posted by: papajim | Dec 15, 2016 12:38:27 PM

Then how is it that all of the companies that are run the way YOU say are doing so poorly compared the world's most valuable company that has the CEO actually guiding the direction of the company--which is what he is paid to do? That company's CEO used to be the COO and since his promotion he has quadrupled that company's income.

Sergio has remarkably SAVED not one, but two different automotive organizations from near-complete dissolution and has brought both of them far up the ladder in quality and sales because he chose to do things everyone else was afraid to do.

The only reasons the Dodge Dart (and Chrysler 200) failed are that he was forced to produce an underpowered small car to even complete the purchase of Chrysler, which in turn gave the model a reputation it didn't deserve (actual owners pretty well love their Darts as quick, responsive AND reliable) and the market for that type of vehicle is, for now, simply vanishing as low gas prices have made larger vehicles significantly more popular. FCA's Jeeps are world-wide hits and raising FCA's sales around the world. Cars based on the Chrysler 300 platform have also seen increased sales around the world, even though not so much here in the US due to an obsolete reputation of the brand.

All you have to do is look at Fiat's history (real history, not hearsay complaints) to see that Marchionne has had a very positive effect on both brand groups, especially since they are now one.



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