Ram 1500 Part of EPA's FCA Diesel Emissions Violation Allegations

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The EPA has issued a "notice of violation" against Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, alleging that its turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel engine used in 2014-16 Ram 1500 pickup trucks and Jeep Grand Cherokee SUVs may have auxiliary software that can alter the emissions in a way not fully disclosed by the automaker. And by failing to disclose this software and selling the vehicle in the U.S., FCA may have violated Clean Air Act. FCA is the parent company of Ram, Jeep and several other brands.

Not long ago, a class-action lawsuit was brought against FCA and Cummins Inc., accusing of them of similar charges. That suit targets Ram heavy-duty pickups only. Cummins denied the allegations and even threatened to countersue.

We've driven quite a few versions of the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, most recently in our Texas Truck Showdown 2016. During that Challenge, the EcoDiesel actually got better fuel economy when driving around Houston near its maximum payload.

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Foreign auto companies from europe cant be trusted. First vw and now FCA cheating on emissions. Govt will hit fiat or VW has a huge case for the US govt treating fca different then vw and vw paying out billions. I turn in my vw in at the end of the month and vw is going to transfer me a bunch of money.... hope fiats cheating doesnt screw my vw buyback up.

Just watch the fiat fan shuffle. They are going to try and dodge the subject and try and repoint the direct to Ford. Let the games begin

Im no engineer but is it that hard to make a honest, compliant car?

@PUTC,

You forgot to mention that all 2017 Ecodiesels are pending certification, thus, none have been sold.

Frank if thats true RAM is probably not going to sell any until probably late spring, will dealers really have to wait that long to start making a profit off these trucks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

So EPA says, it may have ? What a bunch of incompetent losers.

Fiat will go out of business. Ram trucks will be a extinct specie very soon. So sad.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/96485486/?client=safari

The Environmental Protection Agency said Thursday that Fiat Chrysler installed software on about 104,000 pickup trucks and sport-utility vehicles to cheat emissions standards.
The allegations cover the 2014, 2015 and 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee and light-duty Ram 1500 trucks with 3-liter diesel engines.
The EPA said the automaker installed eight different software programs on the vehicles that collectively allowed the vehicles to spew harmful nitrous oxide emissions, which can exacerbate breathing conditions.

when the epa reduced sulfur in diesel fuel they reduced carbon dioxide by 60%, then when they had manfactures build new motors that reduced emmisions by another 39%, I thinkit is a little rediculous for the EPA aka California wussies to be saying anything right now.

I think any law officer should be able to stop and fine anybody in a truck who is rolling coal with out a load.

I saw a unloaded Ford 3/4 ton Diesel pouring out more black smoke then the semi next to it that was hauling a huge back hoe

when the epa reduced sulfur in diesel fuel they reduced carbon dioxide by 60%, then when they had manfactures build new motors that reduced emmisions by another 39%, I thinkit is a little rediculous for the EPA aka California wussies to be saying anything right now.

I think any law officer should be able to stop and fine anybody in a truck who is rolling coal with out a load.

I saw a unloaded Ford 3/4 ton Diesel pouring out more black smoke then the semi next to it that was hauling a huge back hoe

Go to any Ram dealer and try to find a 2017 ecodiesel. You won’t, apparently it hasn’t received certification for 2017 yet. With this bit of news I’d imagine it will be awhile before you do, if ever depending on the outcome of this caper. Current owners of ecodiesel Rams should see an improvement in resale however. Better snap them up while you can.

Poor ford can't make a diesel, so they asked EPA to investigate and stall FCA. DI exoboost makes more nasty micro particles than any diesel and EPA doesn't require a particle filters from them to install.

They are thinking about banning personally owned vehicle in Paris do to smog from clean diesels. Good thing the EPA is on it, to get the cheaters out their that are polluting the air and giving diesels a bad name in the US. If it weren't for VW and Ram and Jeep diesels would have a pretty good reputation but those manufactures bring the diesel industry down with their toxic emissions

Poor ford will never make a small diesel to comply with EPE. Never.I can't wait for FCA to wipe the floor with EPA.

I've always wondered why Dodge never had DEF injection. Now we know why.

The 3 comments above using my name were not made by me and I won't be posting anything on this topic. Thanks

The 3 comments above using my name were not made by me and I won't be posting anything on this topic. Thanks

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 12, 2017 9:18:30 PM

Who gives a $hit - these are facts & the only reason why you won't post anything on this subject.

putinspotus will fix neuter the EPA. Problem solved.

But then again, that wall will keep out all of those hecho en Mexico HD's.

Well, EPA works for ford ,but they have no capacity to prove FCA did anything wrong.
Poor EPA , it's going to be dismantled soon. This is their last kick with ford dirty money.

http://jalopnik.com/why-fiat-chryslers-diesel-cheating-might-not-be-anywh-1791135595

it has a good article. EPA is out of real knowledge about how modern diesels are working.

This will soon blow by

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1173XU?client=safari


The whole world is jealous of fiat. The whole world is conspiring against fiat and their wonderful multijet II injectors that were not specifically designed to cheat emissions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1k1GOZxwnE

"David Knight looks at how the EPA itself cheated and exposed people to dangerous human testing in an attempt to kill diesel engines and he compares the actions taken against diesel manufacturers to how the government reacted to previous car issues where people actually died. The real agenda here is UN Agenda 21/2030."

EPA is a goner, FCA will be just fine.

There are certain questions outstanding which are evident by the fact that the EPA is ASKING those questions rather than flat levying a fine.

Yes, they've found 8 pieces of software that change the truck's settings under certain circumstances. The question that first comes up is whether these are changes intended to cheat pollution monitoring or if they have another, more benign purpose. According to FCA, they're intended to vary their restrictions based on the dynamics of the engine itself; it's not just an on or off situation the way some people want it. As an engine works under different loads at different speeds, its efficiency varies and quite honestly its efficiency is greatest under load and at speed. The nitrogen oxide output changes and if that change can be detected, the settings can change to keep nitrogen oxides at their permitted maximum levels while improving fuel and oxygen flow into the engine.

FCA has responded with this explanation and has suggested it's simply a matter of calibration--an extremely easy fix compared to Volkwagen's very obvious and intentional cheat. Now it's up to FCA to prove their statement.

NO WONDER IN CALIFORNIA DON'T LIKE FIAT TRUCKS.

California doesn't like anyone and any truck. Only exception is, if a movie star drives a prius to the red carpet and a private jet to the next city for a shopping no one can see. California is the most hypocrite state on the world, the lefties nest.

EPA has no capacity to understand, how a modern diesel engine works.

EPA has no capacity to understand, how a modern diesel engine works.


Posted by: RAM | Jan 13, 2017 9:18:15 AM

And neither does fiat. Duramax and Powerstroke have no issues yet everything fiat does. Weird how that works. And from a company known for cheating a lot.

Thank you Willy for the link. It explains,that EPA has no clue.

Per Willies link

First off, Fiat Chrysler not disclosing these emissions control devices is already a violation of the Clean Air Act.

So yes willie, thanks for providing even more proof FCA is a cheater.

Maybe, that's why Ford waits one and half more years to make a diesel, to get all the software FCA made from EPA.
Ford got the hybrid blue prints from Toyota, Trany from GM and needs just small diesel to work in NA.
Ford is a cheater.

Maybe, that's why Ford waits one and half more years to make a diesel, to get all the software FCA made from EPA.
Ford got the hybrid blue prints from Toyota, Trany from GM and needs just small diesel to work in NA.
Ford is a cheater.

Posted by: RAM | Jan 13, 2017 10:27:53 AM

That's funny right there. Why would Ford take software from a cheater company? Especially since Ford has no emissions issues. Let's do the math

Emissions cheating:
Ford 6.7L--no cheating
Ford 3.2L--no cheating
Fiat 3.0--cheating
Fiat with Cummins--cheating

Your math don't add up Ram. Hahahahahaha

Just because EPA doesn't understand, how software is working, doesn't mean, that FCA is cheating. EPA didn't say, that FCA is cheating. Where did you get that?

You don't get it do you, EPA said there are 8 unregistered cheating devices. It is plain and clear. FCA is a cheating company, cheating on recalls, not properly reporting injury and death data from faulty vehicles, emissions cheating in Germany, false reporting of sales data, Cummins emissions cheating, etc

EPA didn't say there are 8 unregistered cheating devices.

Ram, do yourself a favor and read the link in this article. Both the EPA and CARB is going after FCA for cheating. The language is really clear.

EPA didn't say there are 8 unregistered cheating devices.

Posted by: RAM | Jan 13, 2017 11:27:21 AM

Again read the report, they clearly do and spell it out.

ECODIESEL DISASTER.

EPA TRAIN WRECK.

BEND OVER,

RAM !

Citation needed.

Citation needed.

Posted by: RAM | Jan 13, 2017 12:00:02 PM

Your right and they are to the tune of 4.5 Billion dollars.

I did. It's not there.

Mark Williams did all the work for you. Use the link he gave and click on the certified letter. It is all there and really easy to find. Really easy.

The EPA is GRANDSTANDING as one person said yesterday on the news. This organization really did hurt the motorsports sector and the automotive industry as well. Don't get me wrong, I am all for more fuel efficient vehicles, but at what costs to the customer?

It costs so much for each manufacturer for R&D and testing, etc to make EPA compliant engines whether it be for a truck, car, snowmobile, ATV, etc. And you wonder why these vehicles are getting way too expensive.

The EPA should be hitting up the big oil producers after all they make the most pollution, not a simple truck or snowmobile, etc. The EPA should be dismantled

The word "cheating" is not there, so what are you dreaming of? Eh?

What this could mean is the end of RAM and Jeep. My feeling is Sergio will sell them to an Asian business that wants to buy them.Examples Indian TATA bought Jaguar and LandRover, Chinese Geeley bought Volvo Cars

The word "cheating" is not there, so what are you dreaming of? Eh?

Posted by: RAM | Jan 13, 2017 2:25:03 PM


This is their exact words. So yes, cheating is an appropriate word to use.

Once again, a major automaker made the business decision to skirt the rules and got caught,” said CARB Chair Mary D. Nichols.

I don't care about your case . You still didn't tell, where EPA says, that FCA is cheating.

That's only your opinion and not what EPA says.

EPA's exact words:

Once again, a major automaker made the business decision to skirt the rules and got caught,” said CARB Chair Mary D. Nichols.


Clear as day ram. FCA cheated and got caught.

He is just uneducated bureaucrat and will go first. He has no clue and this is just his last kick for the ford money.

The EPA should be dismantled

Posted by: DEREK | Jan 13, 2017 12:50:46 PM
/QUOTE

Then we would have air like this

https://youtu.be/S27ycsxUtRM



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