Feds Get FCA Diesel Emissions Case Moved to California

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U.S. officials have been granted a change of venue for the Department of Justice lawsuit alleging emissions violations by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles in 104,000 model-year 2014-16 Ram 1500 pickup trucks and Jeep Grand Cherokee SUVs equipped with 3.0-liter EcoDiesel engines. The case will now be heard by a San Francisco federal court rather than in Detroit.

The civil suit, filed with the EPA, accuses FCA of failing to disclose software on the 3.0-liter EcoDiesel that could be similar to the emissions defeat devices Volkswagen used to cheat on emissions testing in millions of its diesel cars. The EcoDiesel has been available for both the Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 since 2014.

During emissions testing, the VW Group's defeat devices allowed vehicles to dial back the effectiveness of two types of emissions-treatment systems: nitrogen oxide traps and selective catalytic reduction (a urea solution). The FCA vehicles named in the lawsuit use a selective catalytic reduction system. Both the Jeep and Ram 1500 use a selective catalytic reduction system and have particulate filters per federal emissions requirements.

The Detroit News is reporting that the accusations against FCA have more to do with not disclosing certain software coding rather than intentionally trying to circumvent emissions testing requirements. The paper also reported that automakers are allowed to use software to deactivate a vehicle's emissions control system under certain conditions, but those software codes must be disclosed when companies apply for certification to sell the vehicles in the U.S., and FCA failed to disclose all of its software coding.

FCA has said it will defend itself against these accusations and has denied any "deliberate scheme" to install "defeat" devices. Until this matter is settled, FCA will not sell 2017 EcoDiesels, nor will a decision be made about the 2018 model lineup until the court reaches a decision. GM also is being sued in a class-action lawsuit for alleged diesel emissions violations.

While California courts are viewed as being stricter regarding environmental issues, only time will tell whether that works to the government's advantage in this case.

Cars.com photo by Evan Sears

 

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Comments

All this and still puttin a hurtin on Chevy for number 2.

Fords next in line.Time to get their garbage of the roads.

@ugly, good luck with that, if you aint first your last....

@ugly, good luck with that, if you aint first your last....

Remind me again why we need the EPA other than to be a pain in our you know what?

Robert, I am no fan of government over-reach but go to China and then you will understand the need for the EPA.

Fords next in line.

China is also communist with just enough capitalism mixed in to keep them afloat. The air quality was fine prior to the EPA. The world isn't in trouble, I promise.

Firefighter, I am all for clean air but the EPA can be a real pain the rear end for no apparent reason. Have you used a fuel can in the past few years? The new EPA approved cans are nearly impossible to use and I think spill more fuel than the old cans.

Think about this kind of CAFE and EPA crap next time you're in the voting booth. Ask your Congressman where he stands on this rubbish.

Orange peel in that bottom pic is horrendous!

And the lawsuit is ridiculous too...

@Walt & Robert,
Balance is the key. We don't want to go back to the air quality of the 80's but many policies limit growth and innovation.

"Fords next in line"
Silly comment, no facts, not on topic and no reference to RAM issues.

Seems like "special interest " grps want this moved to Ca. Fed court is fed court, should not matter where it is....they should do completely away with CARB.....

"Fords next in line"
Silly comment, no facts, not on topic and no reference to RAM issues.

"Fords next in line"
Silly comment, no facts, not on topic and no reference to RAM issues.

Air in the 80s was a breath of fresh air compared to the 60s

The paint is peeling off the Ram Ecodiesel fender. SMH!


No one’s opposed to basic environmental regulations, but the EPA is a gigantic wasteful inefficient bureaucracy that has become an obstacle to progress. The EPA is no longer about clean air or water.

Do you all realize that CO2 in the atmosphere doesn’t keep you from breathing fresh air? And that CO2 in the air is not poisoning you?

What EPA did years ago was mostly good. What it is attempting to now is mostly NOT GOOD but is part of the campaign to weaken and diminish America and impoverish its citizens.

@Ken,

Well said.

The CO2 stuff is just a scam.

To be clear, the EPA did serve a useful purpose but now it is overreach and needs to be scaled back. That does not mean a return to polluted skies.

The EPA would be a great agency if they would scale back their areas of regulation to 1984 levels. For their first 10-15 years, they did great work that improved the quality of life in the USA considerably. Then, they had to expand their reach to stay relevant once the air and water was clean. By 2000 or so, they were desperate and grabbing at anything they could to keep the funding increasing.

As with so many organizations that gain power, after their original purpose is achieved, they will not decrease, but must increase, by any and all means. Must become more and more powerful, have more staff, bigger budgets, longer reach. True for many org’s that have fulfilled their missions.


Re:

Air in the 80s was a breath of fresh air compared to the 60s
Posted by: Gary Alex Kozy | Jun 13, 2017 12:52:22 PM

Orange peel in that bottom pic is horrendous!

Fords even trying to kill there own customers annd the fools are stupid enough to keep buying the garbage. Guess you can't fix stupid.

http://www.fordproblems.com/trends/carbon-monoxide/

That's not an orange peel. It's reflection of orange peel an the building.

Now in a Cali court... none less San Fransicko? FCA is TOAST!

Ford is only company not to cheat on emission test. I am glad Ford take our environment more seriously. Dodge should be shame.

Yikes!!!...I suppose it's over for RAM now if the case is judged in CAL...hey, shaky GOVT motors are next...LOL :-))

buy the hemi,it's better.

buy the hemi,it's better.

@ johnny din bat; it's that the best you can do? I mean dating back to the '90's? Dude - we're talking about today, 21st century 2017 & shaky GOVT motors are next...HAHAHAHA!!!

We now know what RAM's ECO-diesel stands for;
E environmental
C cheating
O organization

Balance is the key. We don't want to go back to the air quality of the 80's but many policies limit growth and innovation.
Posted by: Firefighter

@Firefighter

what if you live in Montana or Kansas? I understand that cities like LA and Beijing have air quality problems. Let those places sort that out.

Why ask someone who lives in Alberta, Argentina or Arkansas to pay for solutions that will never be needed in their areas?

One size fits all solutions are all these blasted people seem to understand.

Balance is the key. We don't want to go back to the air quality of the 80's but many policies limit growth and innovation.
Posted by: Firefighter

@Firefighter

what if you live in Montana or Kansas? I understand that cities like LA and Beijing have air quality problems. Let those places sort that out.

Why ask someone who lives in Alberta, Argentina or Arkansas to pay for solutions that will never be needed in their areas?

One size fits all solutions are all these blasted people seem to understand.

This is ridiculous , the new diesels are so much cleaner burning with CR injection and multiple injection events per stroke that ensure a more complete burn than last Gen Diesels. Unfortunately Ford will be next in line, the claims are bogus in the cases of Fiat and GM . There is too much wishy washy claims, no cut and dried findings at all.

Look at the picture of the red paint on the Ram Ecodiesel above, this is what the environmentalists have caused to the paint quality and durability. Water based paint as thin as the wind, and oronge peel finish that , for a new truck, is a disgrace.

Too Bad soooo Sad. Love my Gas 392 Hemi.

It's not a violation. It's a matter.

"One size fits all solutions are all these blasted people seem to understand"

And they fly around in their private jets all the while telling us that we need to change our lifestyle to save the planet. Oh, the irony...

FIAT TRUCKS AND GOVERNMENT MOTORS HAVE TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES HAHHAH. THAT'S WHY I LOVE FORD.


Posted by: johnny doe | Jun 13, 2017 12:11:41 PM

And i an glad you do. It's your money but please don't park it next to my new Ram. Thank you.

And i an glad you do. It's your money but please don't park it next to my new Ram. Thank you.
Posted by: HEMI V8 | Jun 13, 2017 10:11:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPO8-ew_o80

Shocking video of a 2016 Dodge Ram on Fire 3#!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi0AYqEKsNA

Don't park next to me either.

"It's your money but please don't park it next to my new Ram"

Don't worry, I don't plan on parking my new F-150 in the junkyard.

Seems like a dirty, rotten trick to change the venue. Detroit makes sense, because both FCA and EPA NVFEL are located there. Do the feds think their own judges can't be impartial in Detroit? FCA should claim that the Russians hacked their engine controllers.

Seems like a dirty, rotten trick to change the venue. Detroit makes sense, because both FCA and EPA NVFEL are located there. Do the feds think their own judges can't be impartial in Detroit? FCA should claim that the Russians hacked their engine controllers.

Frisco is a pretty hostile environment for this case. That's not good news for Fiat. Its interesting in that it seems to be about having the ability to cheat and not disclosing it as opposed to actually cheating (as VW did). In my mind its kind of hard to imagine a company that doesn't have some form of selective emissions software/programming at least developed. I guess the big questions are have they disclosed it? is it fielded? and is it being used to cheat? In this instance with Fiat the focus appears to be regarding disclosure of it. Regardless Fiat Stooges will claim being taken to court in SF is some kind of Fiat victory. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court.

Frisco is a pretty hostile environment for this case. That's not good news for Fiat. Its interesting in that it seems to be about having the ability to cheat and not disclosing it as opposed to actually cheating (as VW did). In my mind its kind of hard to imagine a company that doesn't have some form of selective emissions software/programming at least developed. I guess the big questions are have they disclosed it? is it fielded? and is it being used to cheat? In this instance with Fiat the focus appears to be regarding disclosure of it. Regardless Fiat Stooges will claim being taken to court in SF is some kind of Fiat victory. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court.

@Clint

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Fran is the biggest and MOST overturned circuit in the entire US system. Due it being the biggest means it has the biggest backlog of old cases ahead of theirs in the line.

After that, Fiat is hoping to lose in San Fran and win on appeal further up the food chain.



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