Is the New Jeep Pickup a Towing Lightweight?

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The all-new Jeep pickup truck, chassis coded by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles as the JT, is likely to debut late next year as a 2019 model. We've only seen spy photos of the truck to date, but some of our truck-loving comrades got their hands on early versions of the not-yet-released owner's manuals.

According to Jalopnik, the new Jeep pickup will have two engine choices, a 3.6-liter Pentastar gas V-6 and a 3.0-liter diesel V-6 (the EcoDiesel). The new Jeep will likely weigh at or around 5,000 pounds, pretty overweight for the class and more than a Ford F-150 crew-cab 4x2; offer a gross vehicle weight rating between 6,075 and 6,500 pounds, which is impressive for the class; and deliver a factory payload capacity — normally quite optimistic in owner's manuals — between 1,100 and 1,400 pounds, right on for the class target. Towing and gross combined weight ratings are each within the ballpark of the mid-size pickup class.

These early numbers are not substantiated yet, but it could be a good indication on where Jeep plans to position its new mid-size player. Clearly, it's not going too heavily toward payload or towing, and it'll common-sensibly be biased toward suspension-flexing off-roading. We'll have to wait and see.

The Los Angeles Auto Show in November will be our first opportunity to see and talk about the new Jeep Wrangler, so there are likely to be clues there as well, but still nothing solid unless another batch of documents are leaked in the meantime. Stay tuned.

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Well since nobody buys a little truck to do real work because if you had real work you would have bought a real full size truck and like Toyota proved in their survey towing is a non factor for the vast majority of this market. These trucks are about riding high, looking good, playing and being afraid of parking a fullsize. The Jeep truck will do those very well and be easier to park.

The Jeep truck will...be easier to park

@Clint

Please share!

Who knows how much "easier" it will be to park? The long wheelbase and the 4WD front end geometry will surely give it a big turning circle compared to a 2WD of the same wheelbase.

I think the new Jeep will be a favorite, especially for hunters and fisherman. The max towing limits won't really be understood until folks get a chance to drive one in the environment, i.e., off road, loose road surfaces, tight turns, crazy angles.

In the meantime it looks like a blast!

All of the plastic/canvas camo they put on these mules cracks me up. Are they trying to keep people from thinking it's a new Ridgeline?

Heavy pig, the 3.6 will get poor MPGs, unless they throw the 3.21 behind it. Then it will get decent MPG but the 3.6 will feel gutless.

What is it with mid-sized trucks getting car/minivan engines?

Hopefully they offer a deep gear set for those that want to lift these trucks and add oversized tires.

This thing may have equal payload to the current Ram 1500...

Nothing against FCA or Jeep but I don't see a Wrangler pick -up being a huge success. It seems to me that people put up with the Wrangler because of it's style and off-road ability. But, with the wealth of pick-ups on the market that are more comfortable, capable, and efficient I think most people interested in a truck will look elsewhere and people wanting a Jeep will buy the SUV instead.

TFL posted the actual owners manual screen shot, looks like this will have 3.45, 3.73, and 4.10 axle ratios (if their source is correct). Seems like some weird axle ratios if this thing has the 8 speed trans.

@Clint... "afraid of parking a fullsize"?? What kind of nonsensical type of logic is that? Sounds like someone thinks they need to have a Full Size Truck to be counted in life. Has it ever occurred to you that there a lot of folks out there who just don't need a full size truck??

As a previous owner of a JK, this thing is going to rock it will sell like hot cakes. Affordability yikes who knows. I can easily see sales of 100,000 if build capacity is there. Long overdue FCA! Sell it will, I mean come on what other midsize truck looks like this and has the off-road creds? In addition, Jeeps like no other vehicle are so customizable - the suppliers will go crazy w/this. If it tows 5k I'm good with that and actually strategy and marketing wise I think limiting tow capacity may help prevent stealing sales from Ram 1/2 tons. Go Jeep!

I think most people interested in a truck will look elsewhere and people wanting a Jeep will buy the SUV instead. Posted by: Jack | Oct 20, 2017

@Jack

Let's look back on this in One Year. I bet they sell more of these Jeep trucks than Honda sells Ridgelines between now and then.

It would be nice if they drop in the new turbo 4 in this. Might be to heavy of a truck for that though. 5k lbs is heavy,, should be around 3,600 lbs, not sure why so heavy
I was thinking about waiting on the Jeep truck but I had 250,000 miles on my truck and gave in to a ZR2

@papa, your comments are discarded based on past comments that show lack of knowledge in the subjects

Come on people! Its a jeep, and a truck, if you want to tow something buy a Ford as the article states, otherwise this Jeep is bad arse, because its a Jeep.

It'll be a turd, just like everything else FCA makes.

A Wrangler extended with a bed, no thanks!

Nothing original about it...

If you look at every other vehicle you can buy in a pick-up and SUV version, there's no reason to think that the Scrambler will weigh 5000#. The JKU is about 4300# and the JLU is supposed to be lighter. A frontier is about 100# more than an Xterra, while an H3T was 200# more than the H3. IN the Ram 1500, the weight difference between the Pentastar and Ecodiesel is about 370#. I would expect the gasoline Scrambler to weigh about as much as an equivalent version of the JKU, the diesel about 370# more.
With what we know about the tow rating from another site, the headline makes no sense at all. The JT will tow the same as the rest of the segment, irrespective of engine.

@papa, your comments are discarded based on past comments that show lack of knowledge in the subjects--Posted by: Nitro | Oct 20, 2017

@Nitro

My comments are thoughtful and knowledgeable, but have clearly failed to persuade you. Please consider learning some persuasion skills yourself, much of what I see under your name here on PUTC sounds beneath you.

You can improve--try it.

Edit to post- looks like the JT will start just over 4500#, assuming payloads are still listed in addition to the 50th percentile driver.

@ Clint. It sounds like you need a full size to feel like a man, so sad. You probably think that the full size needs a lift kit to be a real truck too.

The Mid size trucks are the same size a full size was 10 years ago. A crew cab long box Canyon/Colorado Diesel has payload of 1500 lbs, tow capacity of 7600 lbs, this is more than enough for 90% of the population that needs a truck.
Love the guys who drive the full size trucks and biggest thing they haul is an ATV and their Ego.

sounds like you need a full size to feel like a man, so sad. You probably think that the full size needs a lift kit to be a real truck too. Posted by: S.W.G | Oct 20, 2017

@SWG

Do you possess any credentials as a mental health professional or have you simply watched Oprah and Phil Donahue so many times that you THINK you are? I suspect it's the latter.

If I'm right, please take a minute sometime to consider how lame it is to psychoanalyze another reader here on PUTC with some kind of vision about their neurotic need to be manly. It makes you sound like a dope.

Full Size/Mid Size they are all light duty play toys. Now if its an HD it has some credibility.

"My comments are thoughtful and knowledgeable, but have clearly failed to persuade you. Please consider learning some persuasion skills yourself, much of what I see under your name here on PUTC sounds beneath you.
---- Posted by: papajim | Oct 20, 2017 10:56:58 AM

His points are valid, papajim; you clearly have no understanding of what Jeep's 4x4s are capable.

Yes, it is adding a little bit of wheelbase, but not all that much. And the front steering on a Jeep seems to be significantly tighter than any full-sized truck I've driven, 2WD or 4x4. How do I know? Because I have first-hand experience with the JKU Jeep AND full-sized pickup trucks (as well as compact and older-school mid-sized.) I could possibly see the modern mid-sized 4x4s being roughly equivalent but I'm not yet willing to bet on that. Jeeps have always been known for their close-quarters maneuverability compared to other brands. Until we know for certain what the wheelbase on the Scrambler is, I expect the turning radius will be no worse and probably better than all but the smallest of the existing mid-sized models.

@papa, no need for me to respond, as noted above.

"Do you possess any credentials as a mental health professional or have you simply watched Oprah and Phil Donahue so many times that you THINK you are? I suspect it's the latter."
---- papajim

Considering how long Phil Donahue has been off the air (21 years) I suggest you consider who's having the issues here. I don't believe it is SWG.

Maybe papa jim is watching reruns of Phil Donahue and Oprah or is confused since both have been off the air for a number of years. Don't know of any cable or satellite channels rerunning those programs. PBS has reruns of Lawrence Welk which is a show that papa would enjoy. Maybe Howdy Doody would be an appropo program for some on this site.

The Pavement Queens will love this, now they can tow their makeup.

@roadwhale

So, from the sound of it you APPROVE of trashing your fellow readers and their points of view if it doesn't fit your goofball liberal world view.

Guys who like V8s and big trucks must have some kind of deficiency based on your notions.

On the other hand, guys who like hybrids and green energy and mini trucks are so elite and so above-it-all.

That crap might have impressed people back in the 1980s, but most sensible people came to a different conclusion a long time ago.

That is a stretch to state that Road Whale was bashing V-8s, nothing in Road Whale's comments even mention V-8s. Road Whale was mentioning the attributes of the Wrangler and this new Wrangler truck. This article doesn't mention V-8s it states that the Wrangler based pickup comes with a 3.6 Penstar V-6 and a diesel 3.0 V-6. Also I did not read anything in Road Whales comments that mentioned greenies or that those who drive full size V-8s are decadent. I know Road Whale prefers smaller trucks but that doesn't mean he is a greenie. Why not stop the name calling and inferring that someone has said something when they haven't. There is enough room in the market place for all sizes and types of trucks. Enough with the name calling. Mudslinging is best left up to politicians.
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@Mark Williams
"The new Jeep will likely weigh at or around 5,000 pounds, pretty overweight for the class and more than a Ford F-150 crew-cab 4x2;"

Current Australian Ford Ranger Wildcat weighs 4,900lbs has a GCVM / GVWR of 7000lbs. payload is 950kgs, roughly 2,000lbs
Other Ranger models have much greater payloads.
Max Towing is 3.500kg or 7,700lb

Correction that should be a GVWR of 7000lbs and a GCVWR of 13,200lbs

"So, from the sound of it you APPROVE of trashing your fellow readers and their points of view if it doesn't fit your goofball liberal world view.
"Guys who like V8s and big trucks must have some kind of deficiency based on your notions."
---- Posted by: papajim | Oct 20, 2017 3:20:23 PM

On the contrary, I completely disapprove of all the trash talk you spout when somebody disagrees with you.

The Pavement Queens will love this, now they can tow their makeup.
Posted by: Frank | Oct 20, 2017 3:13:08 PM

Looks like Frank is worried because he knows the Ranger is going to be DOA by the time it finally shows up. Not to mention it's going to be a joke reliability-wise.

On the contrary, I completely disapprove of all the trash talk you spout when somebody disagrees with you.Posted by: Road Whale | Oct 20, 2017

Sorry Whale, but you've run that riff more than anyone else on this website. Anybody who wants a big truck has to endure your scorn.

The Oprah schtick from you is always the same. If you must have a big truck it's because your "manhood" is lacking in some way.

Pure Phil Donahue. Pure Oprah.

Mudslinging is best left up to politicians. Posted by: Trucker | Oct 20, 2017

@trucker

Come back when you grow up.

Roadwhale has been running his alligator mouth and overloading his hummingbird tail for a long time.

He always approaches the whole trucks topic from a morally superior angle. I've been there and seen it.

It's lame.

@papa jim--You have a tendency to hurl insults. Maybe that is your nature but you also hold yourself out as a moral authority. I reread Road Whale's comments and I did not interpret anything that was pro green or anti-truck. Maybe you are too emotional that you construe his comments as greenie and anti large truck. Just because someone has a different opinion than yours or they do not prefer what you like does not make them bad. There are a lot of things that I don't agree with but I don't resort to name calling or belittling someone. For example I might not be a fan of Ford or FCA but I am not going to hurl insults and call those who like Fords or Rams names. Juvenile and immature behavior for an adult especially a senior adult. I don't agree with everything Road Whale says but I am not going to call him names or belittle him.

@trucker

Re read what I posted and follow my original instruction to you.

@papa jim--Is this how you act when you go to church on Sunday? Do you really believe that name calling and putting others down gets others to see your view point? Yes I read your insulting comment "come back when you grow up". You need to take your own advice. Many of your comments are informative especially when you do not name call and attack.

@Trucker

Say hello to Big Al for me!

Who is Big Al?

Who is Big Al? Posted by: Trucker | Oct 21, 2017

Answer: Frank's mother

It's going to be hard for anyone to 4x4 better than the power wagon.

And I'm not sure that a jeep pickup would carry any more swag than a power wagon.


Going to be interesting to watch.

"Sorry Whale, but you've run that riff more than anyone else on this website. Anybody who wants a big truck has to endure your scorn. The Oprah schtick from you is always the same. If you must have a big truck it's because your "manhood" is lacking in some way." ---- Posted by: papajim | Oct 20, 2017 8:37:46 PM


Sorry, Papa, but again you're wrong. I put my scorn on the trucks and their unnecessary size, NOT on the people who disagree--unless they try to shout me down. You've gotten into the habit of attacking the messenger in nearly every article over the last year who disagrees with your viewpoints and not once trying to discuss why there's a difference of opinion. That's not healthy for anybody, no matter whom it may be.

Try, instead, actually discussing the article or WHY you feel your opinion is the correct one--not with insults and trash talk but rather with verifiable facts. Why? Because with verifiable facts your opinion is supported by truth. Without them, it's only opinion.

"I reread Road Whale's comments and I did not interpret anything that was pro green or anti-truck. Maybe you are too emotional that you construe his comments as greenie and anti large truck.... I don't agree with everything Road Whale says but I am not going to call him names or belittle him."
---- Posted by: Trucker | Oct 20, 2017 9:29:50 PM

Thank you for the support, Trucker. I appreciate it. However, I will be the first to admit that I am anti-BIG-truck when it comes to personally-operated vehicles. It's not that I don't accept there's a need for them but rather that fewer than 50% of them, when bought new, are used for their designed purpose--they're Big Boy Toys rather than real working vehicles for their first owners. Again, not all of them, but roughly 50%-60% of them don't see a load or a toad (towed vehicle) in the hands of their first owner and I've seen more than one in my VERY rural area with a utility trailer smaller than the bed of my '97 Ranger dragging behind and the bed of the truck covered by a pristine, spotless hard tonneau painted to match the body. That utility trailer could be towed by a little Jeep Renegade fully loaded while the truck could have carried the full load safely in its bed.

In other words, I do complain about people who don't use the truck for what it was designed. For the last 15 years, they've been little more than status symbols. Worse, if you pay attention to the "real work" crowd even here, they complain about how some full-sized trucks can't even carry 700# of payload in the bed, yet those trucks weigh in at over 5000# themselves. Why?

Again, a fair proportion do get used and used hard. They're used the way they're meant to be used. I give those owners full credit for buying what they need. But what about the rest? Do they EVER load the bed? Do they EVER tow 7500#? 10,000#? Does that even make sense?

Am I a greenie? Not in the way PapaJim suggests in his insults. I do see the benefits of certain "green" technologies but not because they are "green". Understanding the technologies could show you a vehicle that could out-pull ANY V8-equipped truck from a standing start and up a steep grade--without burning a drop of fuel. It's not on the roads yet, but one company is promoting their first effort and other companies have promised similar vehicles.

Am I interested because they are "green?". No. I'm interested because they are stronger and can be cheaper to operate. One of those could go twice as far on the same money spent for fuel. Who cares if it's green? Green is the fact that at its worst, an electric pickup 'emits' 50% as many gasses and pollutants than any one gasser and even less than a diesel. So yes, the technology is green in that sense, but it's not the reason I support battery electric versions. Power is why I support them; Power and Cost of ownership.

And yes, I do drive a small truck (compared to any currently sold on the American market) and I prefer to buy a smaller truck. Why? Because they are more agile, more efficient and, bluntly more fun than a big truck. That's my opinion and it is supported by many of the people I talk to around my town. Commenters here say there's no market but I believe (and there seems to be some evidence) that if a true compact pickup were offered, we'd see a surprising number on the roads within three years as they start replacing compact CUVs in the way full-sized trucks have replaced full-sized sedans and wagons.

... And I'm quite sure PapaJim will issue a, "told you so" rebuttal to that comment.

@Road Whale--Nothing to apologize for I drive a midsize pickup. I have one nephew that drives a 3/4 ton Ram crew cab with a Cumimins but he used it in his business and now that he is retired he and his wife travel to visit his father (my older brother) and his children towing a trailer along with a car. He also used it to haul a dozer to grade a road to his house and tow a trailer to pickup up a load of furniture that I gave them for their new house on our family farm. My nephew had a Prius for may years when he lived in Virginia and commuted to DC and his wife had a mini van when their kids were young. My middle brother and my nephews also bought a used F-250 with 4 wheel drive to use around the family farm. Another nephew has a Tundra and another has a new F-250 and all of them are used for hauling and towing. As you stated they use their trucks as they are meant to be used. I don't need a full size truck but I use my truck as well. Many who own full size half tons do not use them and their trucks are more of a status symbol. I have found from experience that most of those who buy a 3/4 or 1 ton truck do use them as they are meant to be used and that is why they buy heavy duty because they need them.

@trucker @roadwhale

You guys would me mortally embarrassed if you ever realized how incredibly arrogant your comments make you sound. Quit worrying about the trucks other people drive, and drive what you want. Good Lord!

It blows my mind to read the comments of people passing judgment on their fellow commenters and psychoanalyzing all of it.

That whole ridiculous riff about guys who own big trucks doing it because their manhood is somehow lacking. You simply cannot understand how ridiculous that sounds to the rest of us. Good luck.

@papa jim--Ether you are denser than a Corsicana fruit cake are you have a low level of comprehension. Never said I was worried about what people drive, but you seem to be consumed with it. I have no problem with anyone driving whatever they like, it is their business not mine and definitely not yours. It is obvious that you do not like Fords or Rams but that is your issue not mine. Just because someone else does not drive what you drive doesn't mean that they are stupid. You have blinders on when it comes to anything that does not fit in your narrow scope of what you accept. I drive GM made trucks but that doesn't mean that I say insulting remarks and ostracize others including my nephews that drive Fords, Rams, and Toyotas. I love my nephews and respect their choices regardless of what they drive, where they work, and who they married. Maybe your religious beliefs are that anyone that does not believe as you do is a heathen and is doomed to Hell. I will leave you to your own beliefs and opinions and prefer not to judge others on their choices that differ from mine. It is their own damn business what truck they buy and how they choose to live. Sounds like you have an issue with others that do not totally agree with your viewpoints and that is your problem. Frankly I don't give a damn what you think.

@roadwhale

I’ve been on both sides of the fullsized truck discussion and I’m fairly convinced the buyers pick them for 3 reasons:
Status
Features
Work.

Status: the top of the line loaded SLT LARIAT MEGA RANCH diesel 4x4.

Features: Many guys want a V8 rear drive vehicle, with a crew cab there you go-4 door, V8, rear drive. Cheaper than a lux car, more useful than a Camaro or Mustang.

Work: probably don’t need to define that. Yet.

I’m a little features, but mostly work. I hunt 3-4 times a year and a fullsized is nice for hauling gear and the animal. Some western big game is large. I have a race car, so when I tow I need a legit 10k capacity (trailer, gear, generator, tools, etc). I also have a real working ranch. Even without the ranch or the race car, it is hard to justify a midsized pickup that is tight for 3 kids and 2 adults, has a really short bed, and doesn’t have much capacity left after the payload, to tow my large pop up. Sure it fits in the garage, but it is really more about looking like a truck than a Z71 sticker edition.

So, few commuters ever know about how I use my truck. To them, I’m just a guy who never uses his truck like a truck.

Conversely, before I could afford a fancy truck, I towed the same race car around on an open trailer and kept my tools in my Station Wagon tow vehicle. Many probably questioned hauling a 5,600 # open trailer and car combo with an old wagon.

Frankly I don't give a damn what you think. Posted by: Trucker | Oct 23, 2017

@trucker

It only took you two bleeping paragraphs to get to the money line. You trust your own powers of perception too much. About 75% of what you wrote about me or the things that I like is simply wrong.

I'm glad you don't care.

@James--Station wagons use to be built on a full frame and many had V-8s. Full size cars of the past could tow trailers and had much more capacity. That is one of the reasons why full size crew cab pickups have become more popular because there are few body on frame full size cars. I doubt full size trucks would be as popular if it were not for crew cabs.

@James--Station wagons use to be built on a full frame and many had V-8s. Full size cars of the past could tow trailers and had much more capacity. That is one of the reasons why full size crew cab pickups have become more popular because there are few body on frame full size cars. I doubt full size trucks would be as popular if it were not for crew cabs.



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