Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: October 2017

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October numbers are in, and once again, things look good for pickup sales, with all the major full-size players in the black for year-over-year numbers, and that's a good thing because cars are not selling as well. Car sales are down overall, but numbers in all classes could get a little bump in the next two months as manufacturers increase incentive spending in the hopes of clearing out 2017 stock.

Ford and GMC had the strongest month when compared to October 2016, while the Nissan Titans posted dramatic numbers as well — largely due to the introduction of the half-ton Titan in 2016. Chevrolet and Ram continued to have strong sales, while both Toyota pickups kept a steady pace.

Don't look for much change in the finishing order in the chart below by year end, but with redesigns of the Ram 1500, Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500 pickups likely to come to market in late 2018, you can bet there will be some production facility juggling to limit downtime at those plants to keep production flowing.

Ford did a pretty good job of navigating that minefield with the F-150 plants in Dearborn, Mich., and Kansas City, Mo., and the Super Duty facility in Louisville. Any slip-ups will likely cost the truckmakers millions of dollars in lost sales if they don't keep a watchful eye on market demand and inventory on dealer lots.

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Comments

GM trucks continue to rule. Ford continues to rely on its 15 percent fleet sales to maintain the pace.

Ford's marketing team grimly hangs on to the fiction that their ATP performance improves in the face of high discounts and fleet sales.

∆ You lie.

GM continually increasing its sales lead over second place manufacturer Ford by offering superior choice and products.

At Papajim. 51% of the F-series sales were the top 3 trim levels. Since the fleet sales for pickups alone is not disclosed your banter is purely conjecture

At Papajim. GM overall average incentive per vehicle $5105. Ford $4443. Costs GM more money to move metal than Ford.

your banter is purely conjecture. Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Nov 1, 2017

@smokin' something

Wrong!

Re: 15 percent fleet sales.

My news flash for your blue-oval boys came straight from a Goldman Sachs press release yesterday. Show a little respect!

Correct GM RULES:


Everything in RED.


GM is bleeding, papajim, please send them your PREP-H.

I do believe Nissan with the Titan has done quite well for the year so far, nearly 40k. Two months to go and it might get somewhere between 48k and 49k.

Titan the quiet achiever.

@ papajim

Totally agree on the fleet sales!! Only reason!!!

Poor GARBAGE MOTORS HAHAHA.

Great job FORD, #1 brand in full size trucks once again.

Fleet sales in pickups are very profitable and pickup nakers are trying to increase them.

Next.

Let's see if GM has ZERO mention of Silverado and Sierra again in the year end sales release. Sales are down again.

Keep defending GARBAGE MOTORS cause I pure junk just like the owner. Go FORD THE BEST NEVER REST. KEEP CRYING GARBAGE MOTORS FAN GIRLYS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The General Motor business seems to be eclipsing Frod for the year as well in pickup sales.

If you add all those 100s of 1000s of Silverado based GMCs and Chev pickup SUVs like the Suburban/Escalade The General is spanking Ford.

Ram has done respectably for the year as well.

Ford with the additional costs and debt to pay down due to the retooling, redesign and engineering of the aluminium vunder trux needs to stop becoming a fleet provider and offer huge discounts.

The more Ford discounts the less it can pay the bank. For every Titan sold is 70% of a new F Series.

Buit ford tough.

@papajim. GM ATP $36865. Ford $35981. $884 difference. Not bad for a company that relies on fleet. What’s GM’s excuse. I would think the difference would be higher as their truck sales plus BOF SUV sales is higher than Fords.

Ford is doing decent I imagine because of fire sales on the 2017's. It will be interesting to see next year when we see a brand new Ram and GM twins.

Big Al is on the Nissan bandwagon now.

What happened to your love affair with the Ridgeline? It wouldn't be because the Honda Accord/Ridgeline is down 20% for the year, would it?

@Papajim
My news flash for your blue-oval boys came straight from a Goldman Sachs press release yesterday. Show a little respect!

Care to share the link, we would all like to read.

@COOF

I don't put links online. Very risky security wise.

Why not take a look the financial news? Learn something.

From a non brand bias view-

Ford outshines both silverado and sierra combined (halfton + only)
Ram has a long way to go for number 2
Toyota is close to beating out the sierra
If Nissan starts taking off, the above numbers could be affected and all over the place.

Let the shake up begin!
-CT

Silverado continues to dominate in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas. States with the highest mountains, the coldest temperatures and insane snowfall continue to pick Chevy/GMC. None of those states have a "major" city with the exception being Sioux Falls. Plenty of city slickers out there in populated states with polished platinum and king ranch trucks that haven't even seen a dirt road or a real ranch. They sure are proud of their aluminum beds LOL

If you don't believe me go out there and see it for yourself.

@COOF

Go to Google News search. Enter "ford fleet sales". You have at least 3 different posts to choose from.

My gift to you.

@Casual. Notice how I posted actual ATP’s to pee on Papajim GM parade and get no response. I would like to hear his excuse as to why GM’s is only $884 better than Fords with all their low ATP fleet sales.

Hahaha, I dun learnt somthin new today.
19.4% of GM sales are fleet. I thought fleet sales wuz b a d!

Red it on that ther internet thingamajig.

@smokin' weed a lot

Crunch the numbers any way you like. Ford is feeding their hogs on next year's seed.

For you city slickers, that means that Ford's sales/marketing approach is unsustainable. Even the media dopes who cover the stock market know this.

GM's outlook, according to some smart market analysts, is likely to produce a share price north of 100 bucks within 2 years.

Don't forget, GM will outsell Ford trucks in 2017 once again.

Nissan Titan is still not doing well. When the new Titan was introduced they said they needed a minimum of 5% of the market to make this kind of investment and they we're bullish about gaining more than 5%. Nissan said anything less than 5% would mean they didn't do very well. 3 years in and they still only have 2% of the full-size market.

Papajim what the fuc# are you smoking?

From a non brand bias view-

Ford outshines both silverado and sierra combined (halfton + only)
Ram has a long way to go for number 2
Toyota is close to beating out the sierra
If Nissan starts taking off, the above numbers could be affected and all over the place.

Let the shake up begin!
-CT


Posted by: crunchtime | Nov 1, 2017 12:37:06 PM

That's not true. Silverado 1500 and F150 are usually neck and neck in yearly sales. If you add Sierra 1500 to the GM total, I doubt Ford has ever won the 1/2 ton segment. Historically, Ford's advantage is comes from 3/4 ton and up where they really out sell there competitors.

Last I checked, "fleet sales" are SALES. I.e., Money exchanged for goods and or services.

There must be a local apologists anonymous group you can resource to treat your delusions.

@Papajim. I knew you would spin this to stock price. Let me be clear, stock price has zero, zilch, nothing to do with sales numbers or ATP. You still have yet to address my ATP info posted. If Ford is so reliant on fleet sales, why are the two companies ATP’s so close? I also have to laugh at your number crunching comment. This is basic math man. Even you can do that.

@COOF

I don't put links online.


Posted by: papajim | Nov 1, 2017 12:35:39 PM

He wouldn't want to inadvertently post a link to his g@y p0rn.

;D

@redbloodedxy

GM will outsell Ford trucks in 2017 once again. Is that clear enough?

Let me be clear, stock price has zero, zilch, nothing to do with sales numbers ...Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Nov 1, 2017

@smokin

You actually said something correct for once.

However, you should realize that millions of very smart investors around the world pay careful attention to the major American industrial companies like GE, GM and Ford.

Their money goes where the best assets and leadership is found.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

This is basic math man. Even you can do that.

Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Nov 1, 2017 1:11:09 PM

734610 x 884 = $ 649,395,240.00 less then GM ATP. I'll let you figure out how much that amount plays into actual share price. I'm sure papajim can enlighten you more.

@Jack, sorry for the confusion, I did not say halfton only, there is a + at the end of that meaning Halfton and up.

-CT

@papajim. What have I said that is incorrect. I posted released incentives costs and ATPs for For and GM. I have always notice you revert to name calling when you are called out with data and facts

At Gmrgreat. You are way off the mark there and proves you are way out of your league here. The $884 ATP difference was Oct only, not YTD. And it applies to all GM and Ford not just trucks.

@6.2

I thought I was being friendly. I said you were correct to discount the linkage between stock price and sales performance.

Please re-read the comments and you'll see I'm right.

When I'm wrong I admit it. Stock performance reflects the moves being made by some of the smartest people on the planet. That's why it's so important.

GM 4 line truck sales = 764,271
FORD 1 line truck sales = 734,610

Net diff = 29,661

WOW how much more wasted GM $$$$ does cost to make 4 trucks line vs 1 truck line?

GM 4 line truck sales = 764,271
FORD 1 line truck sales = 734,610

Net diff = 29,661

WOW how much more wasted GM $$$$ does cost to make 4 trucks line vs 1 truck line? Posted by: Blueman | Nov 1, 2017

@Blueman

The Falcons were beating the Patriots during the Super Bowl last winter, but the Pats won.

GM sells more trucks than Ford. Any questions?

"However, you should realize that millions of very smart investors around the world pay careful attention to the major American industrial companies like GE, GM and Ford.

Their money goes where the best assets and leadership is found.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


Posted by: papajim "

Share price by itself is irrelevent. P/E ration is much more important and a better guage of investor confidence in management. Right now Ford's is 13.01 and GM's is 7.49, even after the recent runup in price. Would you care to explain what that means? Also, since you are big fan of Goldman Sachs what is your take on them advising us to sell GM and buy Ford yesterday? While we are at it, what is the danger in posting a link other than us knowing the truth? I do it all the time with no consequenses. In fact, here is another one: https://finance.yahoo.com/m/0385a3d2-3fea-39f2-88c7-a493c0266fce/gm-stock-slammed-as-goldman.html

@Walt

Goldman Sachs has their game, I have mine.

Their analysts like Ford's future.

I actually do too, but their current situation at Ford is tricky because the new CEO has not yet proven that he has the kind of muscle in the boardroom that Mary Barra has at GM.

If Bill Ford will let the new guy have his way, I'm confident he can turn things around at Ford within a few years. In the meantime, GM has all the pieces in place and they are soaring.

GE, Cummins,Caterpillar and GM are poised for greatness in the next five years.

If you have any spare dough lying around these are great opportunities.

@papajim. As soon as I blew up your fleet ATP you referenced my user name as smokin weed a lot. Be civil and use my screen name correctly. Did I refer to you as trailer park Papajim? I fully agree GM is doing things differently this time around and the stock price is doing great. However as I said before that has nothing to do with sales ATP or volume. This is where you always spin the topic when you are challenged with facts. You have shown this behavior time and time again.

@smokin.

I wrote a detailed reply to the last comment and PUTC's website is blocking it.

Maybe they're tired of hearing about it. Next time perhaps.

@papajim. We can agree to disagree. Until next time.

The $884 ATP difference was Oct only, not YTD. And it applies to all GM and Ford not just trucks.

Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Nov 1, 2017 1:48:04 PM

All of GM sales! Again, you can figure out how that feeds into current stock evaluations.

At gmsrgreat. That’s about 46mil more in revenue than Ford for the month. Not real impressive considering GM’s portfolio of cars/suv’s and trucks. It should be way more in my opinion. Cadillac and Buick drive up GM’s ATP. If we compared just Ford to Chevy on equal offerings, Ford easily beats Chevy on ATP

This childish bickering every month when the sales figures come out is just silly. I don't care if you are a GM guy or a Ford guy or a Toyota guy, just get a calculator and look at the figures.

The facts are- Month in and month out and YTD the Ford F-150 outsells the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra combined.

And when you add in the Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon GM sells more total trucks than Ford.

So everybody can claim a win. The rest is just bunch of 6 year olds arguing over who's dad is tougher.



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