2020 GM Heavy-Duty Pickups: Spied

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By the time automotive engineers get to serious tow testing in the development plan for a new vehicle such as a heavy-duty one-ton or three-quarter-ton pickup truck, you know they're close to finalizing software requirements and capability thresholds. Our spy shooters are seeing more versions of the new GM heavy-duty pickups with various types of trailers in tow, which could mean GM has made some structural and/or engine changes. No doubt bumping up the tow ratings to better compete with Ford and Ram are on the priority list for the 2020 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 2500/3500. Here's what our spy shooters had to say:

"Today we spied a large group of next-generation 2020 General Motors heavy-duty pickups doing some serious tow testing. Among the group were two single-rear-wheel models towing a large recreational vehicle trailer and a big gooseneck trailer loaded with dead weight.

"We also spotted one dually truck with another enormous loaded gooseneck trailer and another dually configured as a dump truck. The next-gen HD trucks should make the switch to more aluminum for some of the body panels, much like we've seen on the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 1500s.

"The recently updated 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 diesel is likely to be under hood of the new trucks, but we're hearing there may be a new V-8 in the works; of course, the stalwart 6.0-liter gasoline V-8 is likely to stick around for fleet buyers. Watch for the official debut at one of the major auto shows, likely sometime in early 2019."

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Comments

I really hope they look like GM trucks and not Toyota's.

Great looking trucks! Another big win for America's number one truck maker, General Motors! And a big win for people who love pickups!

Rear shock mounts, SMH....

wow .... This car can look very suitable to transport goods. It seems to have strong motive power.

More of the same from the #2 full-size truck manufacturer except with more controversial styling. Same old 6.2 should prove to be a disappointment for GM faithful.

Looks like they are FINALLY getting around to modern body materials, a cohesive design for the DEF tank (hopefully also with its own gauge, and intake next to the normal fuel intake). With enough government money and blindly loyal fans they might actually fend off Fiat's new models and hang onto 2nd.

To claim such a heavily camouflaged vehicle "looks great" or to make any styling claim is pretty crazy.

Same old 6.2 should prove to be a disappointment for GM faithful.


Posted by: redbloodedxy | Jul 2, 2018 10:05:22 AM

6.2 ? I see that your basic reading and comprehension skills need some work. Let me guess, you are a Ford owner.

Great looking trucks! Another big win for America's number one truck maker, General Motors! And a big win for people who love pickups!


Posted by: papajim | Jul 2, 2018 8:20:25 AM

I think all GM trucks should be like that, covered up. They are so ugly and can't compare with the class leading RAM truck. Only RAM has Cummins. The strongest diesel on the market. Period. And they have the class leading 12" infotainment system. GM can't compare with RAM.

6.2 ? I see that your basic reading and comprehension skills need some work. Let me guess, you are a Ford owner.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 2, 2018 10:17:24 AM

Ha, GM 6.2 is no match for RAM with HEMI.

With enough government money and blindly loyal fans they might actually fend off Fiat's new models and hang onto 2nd.

To claim such a heavily camouflaged vehicle "looks great" or to make any styling claim is pretty crazy.


Posted by: Clint | Jul 2, 2018 10:12:21 AM

GM will never be as good as RAM with HEMI or Cummins.

I see their still using a ladies front suspension. GMSR-3RD-RATE can still safely haul his vagina hat without damage.

Nice RAM

More of the same from the #2 full-size truck manufacturer except with more controversial styling. Same old 6.2 should prove to be a disappointment for GM faithful.


Posted by: redbloodedxy | Jul 2, 2018 10:05:22 AM

Care to explain when GM ever used the 6.2 in a HD pickup?

Ha, GM 6.2 is no match for RAM with HEMI.

Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 10:56:52 AM

Nowhere in the article above is 6.2 mentioned , just 6.0. The new V8 , rumored to be in the works will likely dominate the competition, just like the Duramax.

Um.......guys....GM does not put the 6.2 in the HD.

I see their still .......

Posted by: redbloodedxy | Jul 2, 2018 11:21:27 AM

I see they're still , or , I see they are still..... this lesson was free.

GM will never be as good as RAM with HEMI or Cummins.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 10:58:40 AM

The 6.2L/ 8speed beat the pants off the 8 speed/hemi in acceleration tests on this site. The GM trucks has a 3.42 rear end and the hemi need a 3.92 rear end to be almost a second slower.

The last Ike test I saw the Duramax beat the ram by 12 seconds.

Seems like they are better....

The 6.2L/ 8speed beat the pants off the 8 speed/hemi in acceleration tests on this site. The GM trucks has a 3.42 rear end and the hemi need a 3.92 rear end to be almost a second slower.

The last Ike test I saw the Duramax beat the ram by 12 seconds.

Seems like they are better....


Posted by: andrwken | Jul 2, 2018 11:38:10 AM

That's rigged. Everyone knows that. Only RAM is King of beast. Only RAM has HEMI and Cummins. Neither can be beat. Especially GM.

Nowhere in the article above is 6.2 mentioned , just 6.0. The new V8 , rumored to be in the works will likely dominate the competition, just like the Duramax.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 2, 2018 11:33:03 AM

Duramax is junk. Just like the 6.0L. They can't compete with the class leading gas engine HEMI and diesel engine Cummins.

Duramax is junk. Just like the 6.0L. They can't compete with the class leading gas engine HEMI and diesel engine Cummins.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 12:06:30 PM

Can you supply a link to any comparison where the Ram HD has come out the winner?

wow RAM
settle down this doesn't need another brand humper

Great looking trucks?? Yeah if you like the look of having black/white tarps all over your truck. Must be GM fan speak......

Can you supply a link to any comparison where the Ram HD has come out the winner?


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 2, 2018 12:12:48 PM

It's called the real world. Cummins is the only engine in big trucks. HEMI class leading.

It's called the real world. Cummins is the only engine in big trucks. HEMI class leading.

Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 12:24:49 PM

In the Heavy duty pick up truck segment of the real world, the performance of the Duramax reigns supreme.

Duramax is junk. Just like the 6.0L. ........

Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 12:06:30 PM

Seriously? You can't put the powerjoke 6.0 and Duramax on the same page. That powerjoke 6.0 was the second would be competitor from Ford that the Duramax buried. It's dead, let it rest.

It's called the real world. Cummins is the only engine in big trucks. HEMI class leading.

Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 12:24:49 PM

RIGHT ON my RAM brother!!! Like Jack Nicholson once said YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! In this case it's the Ford and GM leg humpers.

Duramax is junk. Just like the 6.0L. They can't compete with the class leading gas engine HEMI and diesel engine Cummins.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 12:06:30 PM


The best components in a Ram pickup are outsourced.

8 speed trans in half ton - ZF
HD Trans - Aisin
Cummins
AAM axles (previously GM) Most RAM hd's have a GM 14 bolt under them, lol
AFM in Hemi (GM sourced)
Uconnect -Panasonic
Ecodiesel - VM Motori/GM joint venture. (wonder why GM bailed on development?)

I guess you can talk up the wrapper. You wonder why Sergio wanted a GM merger. Half the truck is either outsourced or some form of GM parts, past or present.


The best components in a Ram pickup are outsourced.
Posted by: andrwken | Jul 2, 2018 1:36:02 PM

See, even you realize RAM is better than GM.

Everyone I know is ditching their heavy duty pickups for the F-150 Eco-Boost
I see more F-150 Eco-Boosts towing construction machines even 6 ton dump trailers , trailers and boats soooo big.
The F-150 Eco-Boost is wonderful


Lots of GM hot air in these comments! So winning a performance comparison here by a few tenths of a second means Duramax reigns supreme?? Being that close means in the real world its a toss up (driver, traction, even fuel). Gm may stick with the displacement size but the duramax offered now has had so many changes done that i wouldn't call it the same motor. The people who own 2011-2015 duramax will tell you what junk GM gave them for a fuel system and had to be completely redesigned.

Lots of GM hot air in these comments! So winning a performance comparison here by a few tenths of a second means Duramax reigns supreme?? Being that close means in the real world its a toss up (driver, traction, even fuel). Gm may stick with the displacement size but the duramax offered now has had so many changes done that i wouldn't call it the same motor. The people who own 2011-2015 duramax will tell you what junk GM gave them for a fuel system and had to be completely redesigned.


Posted by: FullSize_only | Jul 2, 2018 2:29:21 PM

12 seconds faster is not a few tenths. That would seem a substantial butt kicking under load.

The best components in a Ram pickup are outsourced.
Posted by: andrwken | Jul 2, 2018 1:36:02 PM

See, even you realize RAM is better than GM.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 2, 2018 1:46:01 PM

Channeling your inner idiot today?

Channeling your inner idiot today?


Posted by: andrwken | Jul 2, 2018 2:32:10 PM

I'm not a idiot. I'm a RAM with HEMI owner.

Ya Ram is the best, that's why it always comes in 3rd place when they do the HD comparisons

Lots of GM hot air in these comments! So winning a performance comparison here by a few tenths of a second means Duramax reigns supreme?? Being that close means in the real world its a toss up (driver, traction, even fuel). Gm may stick with the displacement size but the duramax offered now has had so many changes done that i wouldn't call it the same motor. The people who own 2011-2015 duramax will tell you what junk GM gave them for a fuel system and had to be completely redesigned.


Posted by: FullSize_only | Jul 2, 2018 2:29:21 PM

12 seconds faster is not a few tenths. That would seem a substantial butt kicking under load.


Posted by: andrwken | Jul 2, 2018 2:31:31 PM


Exactly what GM biased source are you using for that lie? The last 1 ton shootout PUTC did there was only 1/10 second difference in the heaviset load hill climb performance test.

Great looking trucks! Another big win for America's number one truck maker, General Motors! And a big win for people who love pickups!


Posted by: papajim | Jul 2, 2018 8:20:25 AM
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This guy has to be one of the most idiotic commenters in this site.....

Great looking truck???? You cannot be serious. It’s covered in wrapping. No features are visible.

Exactly what GM biased source are you using for that lie? The last 1 ton shootout PUTC did there was only 1/10 second difference in the heaviset load hill climb performance test.


Posted by: FullSize_only | Jul 2, 2018 3:12:06 PM

https://www.tfltruck.com/2017-ike-gauntlet-highway-mpg/

Rear shock mounts, SMH....
Posted by: oxi | Jul 2, 2018 9:09:35 AM


Rust rotted Toyotas... SMH

the best keep getting better!! Love GM and the most reliable engines on the market!!!

2017 Ike Gauntlet Towing Results (TFLT)

Towing a 22,800 lbs BigTex 3XGN gooseneck trailer.
Year Make Model Up (Time)
2017 Chevy Silverado 3500 Crew 4×4 6.6L 10:16.99
2017 Ram 3500 Crew 4×4 6.7L 10:28.86
2017 Ford F-350 Crew 4×4 6.7L 10:31.88

All 3 were tested on the same day, using the same trailer, running on the same fuel.

Exactly what GM biased source are you using for that lie? The last 1 ton shootout PUTC did there was only 1/10 second difference in the heaviset load hill climb performance test.

Posted by: FullSize_only


2017 Ike Gauntlet Towing Results (TFLT)

Towing a 22,800 lbs BigTex 3XGN gooseneck trailer.
Year Make Model Up (Time)
2017 Chevy Silverado 3500 Crew 4×4 6.6L 10:16.99
2017 Ram 3500 Crew 4×4 6.7L 10:28.86
2017 Ford F-350 Crew 4×4 6.7L 10:31.88

All 3 were tested on the same day, using the same trailer, running on the same fuel.

The 2017 Duramax blew me away. For a truck that's rated less, it pulled better and braked best. I like the Cummins for it's easier serviceability but the Duramax has proven itself again. Nice to see that they got rid of that terrible CP4 fuel pump. The 2017 F-350 ran the Ike Gauntlet much slower and TFLT ran the test twice just to make sure they didn't make the mistake.

Reminds me of the time the 2011 F-350, with more power on paper, fell WAY behind.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html

That powerjoke 6.0 was the second would be competitor from Ford that the Duramax buried. It's dead, let it rest.
Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 2, 2018 1:16:51 PM

LOL the Powerstroke guys will never let a 6.0 or 6.4 rest. They keep swearing "they are great engines". Yeah.... if you're willing to dumps $15k+ in repairs just to keep it from blowing itself up. 6.4 parts are especially expensive and even the Powerstrokehelp guy doesn't recommend one just because the parts cost so much -- and he's the one that would make money keeping it running. The 6.Blow was an embarrassment. Who at Ford though it was a good idea to use a Navistar with 4 TTY bolts per cylinder? Even with ARP head studs and the right gaskets (there are half a dozen different gaskets out there and only 1 seems to hold up), there are still a ton of ways a 6.Blow can break down and cost you more money.

They're make decent power when they're running and tuned up, but they aren't running for long before something expensive needs repair.

When Ford got rid of the 7.3 I went Cummins. Never looked back.


Does the TFLT comparison provide the rear end gear ratio in each truck? The PUTC comparison does and the gm has a numerically higher (more torque multiplication) gear ratio yet even with that advantage its still only a few tenths of a second faster in all performance comparisons.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/08/2017-one-ton-heavy-duty-pickup-challenge-overview.html


Yeah it only took gm 5 model years to realize the ticking time bombs they were selling to their kool-aid drinkers with that terrible fuel system and to this day punishing the "Duramax is the best diesel" suckers who buy those trucks out of warranty and have to spend thousands (more than once) to replace fuel systems. The gm faithful.......

@ Full size

Lol...really..how many engines has ford tried and still not been able to beat the duramax since it debuted in 2001??


So you're another one that believes the "duramax" (just a name) has not changed since 2001? Thanks for the laugh.

Why is that BA only goes at Frank over truck sales? Here we have PapaJoke once again ranting about truck sales.

Hey PapaJoke. GM had better sell more trucks than Ford or FCA.They have 3x the models - 4 full size and 2 mid size. Ford and FCA have only 2 full size.

man I'm at my lake house for the 4th, ComeE to site to chat and the imposter is still posting under my name....geezzz. Its America people... Get your own user name!! Lol.....no by all means u can try And hide your fake self under my name. Everyone knows its not me. Clown!!

At full size.
Of course the Duramax has changed but it still displaces 6.6L. Yes its been upgraded...duh
All the while Ford has gone through a 6.0L junk and 6.4L junk, until they finally build in house with a 6.7L and still can't beat the Duramax. Now thats funny!!! Lol

The 2017 Duramax blew me away. For a truck that's rated less, it pulled better and braked best. I like the Cummins for it's easier serviceability but the Duramax has proven itself again. Nice to see that they got rid of that terrible CP4 fuel pump. The 2017 F-350 ran the Ike Gauntlet much slower and TFLT ran the test twice just to make sure they didn't make the mistake.

Reminds me of the time the 2011 F-350, with more power on paper, fell WAY behind.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html


Posted by: HD RamKing | Jul 2, 2018 4:47:30 PM

At least with Ford they use big robust parts in the drivetrain to tow heavy loads. GM is stuck with towing numbers from the early 2000's. Weak parts, weak drivetrain, weak truck. Who cares how fast it is. If I want fast I will buy a Demon. GM is fast garbage. Stick with what men drive RAM.



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