2020 GM Heavy-Duty Pickups: Spied

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By the time automotive engineers get to serious tow testing in the development plan for a new vehicle such as a heavy-duty one-ton or three-quarter-ton pickup truck, you know they're close to finalizing software requirements and capability thresholds. Our spy shooters are seeing more versions of the new GM heavy-duty pickups with various types of trailers in tow, which could mean GM has made some structural and/or engine changes. No doubt bumping up the tow ratings to better compete with Ford and Ram are on the priority list for the 2020 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 2500/3500. Here's what our spy shooters had to say:

"Today we spied a large group of next-generation 2020 General Motors heavy-duty pickups doing some serious tow testing. Among the group were two single-rear-wheel models towing a large recreational vehicle trailer and a big gooseneck trailer loaded with dead weight.

"We also spotted one dually truck with another enormous loaded gooseneck trailer and another dually configured as a dump truck. The next-gen HD trucks should make the switch to more aluminum for some of the body panels, much like we've seen on the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 1500s.

"The recently updated 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 diesel is likely to be under hood of the new trucks, but we're hearing there may be a new V-8 in the works; of course, the stalwart 6.0-liter gasoline V-8 is likely to stick around for fleet buyers. Watch for the official debut at one of the major auto shows, likely sometime in early 2019."

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Comments

@ Ram

Cummins is a good motor...I wouldn't say its better than a duramax bc its never beats a Duramax in any performance comparisons...

Looks like it will have a cross hair grill, I guess if Ram is giving it up someone else will steel it.

Looks like it will have a cross hair grill, I guess if Ram is giving it up someone else will steel it.

Looks like it will have a cross hair grill, I guess if Ram is giving it up someone else will steel it.

Looks like it will have a cross hair grill, I guess if Ram is giving it up someone else will steel it.


So gm changes their diesel motor and you call it "upgraded" it because it's the same displacement. They did "upgrades" because the old version was having a bunch of failures, no different than Ford going with a different motor and looking for better results. Again the current Ford diesel is by no means dominated by any gm offering.

Is it just me or they copying the Ram grill

I read these comments from what I feel are 10=12 year olds, do you not ask these people have they driven a truck,do they know what happens in the real world,have a Duramax that has 325K & NO Probems,5 friends we RV all now have Duramax
I am an upfiitter,Ford is always the low Bidder,I can tell you Alumimum is a problem with both Galvanization & strength
Seeing companies that are not concerned
about Price switching to GM produicts,high maintence on Ford

I love how the GM girly boys say it's so good looking. It's all covered up boys. These are the boys who get a hard on over a nun

Brawndo

The TFL Truck Ike Gauntlet the F-150 WITH 3.5 Eco-Boost beat most of the heavy duty trucks towing the same weight

The F-150 Eco-Boost is wonderful,, sooo wonderful that it will out tow and out perform most heavy duty trucks.

go back and type in F-150 Eco-Boost in the search box of TFL Trucks and you see endless wins and more wins with the Ike Gauntlet.

repeat after me:
The F-150 Eco-Boost wins
The F-150 Eco-Boost has most power
The F-150 Eco-Boost is #1

Does the TFLT comparison provide the rear end gear ratio in each truck? The PUTC comparison does and the gm has a numerically higher (more torque multiplication) gear ratio yet even with that advantage its still only a few tenths of a second faster in all performance comparisons.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/08/2017-one-ton-heavy-duty-pickup-challenge-overview.html


Posted by: FullSize_only | Jul 2, 2018 5:42:50 PM


Can a higher gear ratio be purchased from ram?

Pretty sure not so its a moot point.


Brawndo

The TFL Truck Ike Gauntlet the F-150 WITH 3.5 Eco-Boost beat most of the heavy duty trucks towing the same weight

The F-150 Eco-Boost is wonderful,, sooo wonderful that it will out tow and out perform most heavy duty trucks.

go back and type in F-150 Eco-Boost in the search box of TFL Trucks and you see endless wins and more wins with the Ike Gauntlet.

repeat after me:
The F-150 Eco-Boost wins
The F-150 Eco-Boost has most power
The F-150 Eco-Boost is #1


Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jul 3, 2018 1:18:55 AM

Pretty sure they do not ever load hd trailer weights on half ton trucks but feel free to link your findings

At full size.
Of course the Duramax has changed but it still displaces 6.6L. Yes its been upgraded...duh
All the while Ford has gone through a 6.0L junk and 6.4L junk, until they finally build in house with a 6.7L and still can't beat the Duramax. Now thats funny!!! Lol


Posted by: TNTGMC | Jul 2, 2018 7:19:19 PM

since we are talking about the past how many engines did GM go thru until they could beat the 7.3? that's right 2 6.2 and the 6.5 you think the 6.0 was bad try those two motors, my dad had a 6.5 by the time it had 120k it had 3 motors and 3 trannies put in it, Now thats funny!!! Lol

@ Ram

Cummins is a good motor...I wouldn't say its better than a duramax bc its never beats a Duramax in any performance comparisons...


Posted by: TNTGMC | Jul 2, 2018 7:35:20 PM

the Cummins has more motors with over a million miles on them that the Duracrappers do, tell me what's more important to a driver of these one ton diesels racing up a hill faster than any one else or being able to haul more? the GM is rated at 23K and the Cummins is rated a lot high

Right on Ford Rules. You will see way more Cummins engines and 6.7L powerstrokes with high 6 digit miles than those duracraps. Look at the hotshot trucks, RAMs with Cummins and powerstrokes. Its a rare day to see a GM truck working hard.

he Cummins has more motors with over a million miles on them that the Duracrappers do, tell me what's more important to a driver of these one ton diesels racing up a hill faster than any one else or being able to haul more? the GM is rated at 23K and the Cummins is rated a lot high


Posted by: Ford Rules GM Drools | Jul 3, 2018 7:02:27 AM

If you cant out pull a Duramax at 23k, who in their right mind would try and haul 32 with it?

If your willing to buy a ram shell around a cummings, I guess you can be talked into anything....

If you cant out pull a Duramax at 23k, who in their right mind would try and haul 32 with it?

If your willing to buy a ram shell around a cummings, I guess you can be talked into anything....


Posted by: andrwken | Jul 3, 2018 7:50:47 AM

It's not about how fast you can do it. It is how many times you can do it race boy. A semi won't pull 23lb as fast as a duracraps but it will last longer.

It's not about how fast you can do it. It is how many times you can do it race boy. A semi won't pull 23lb as fast as a duracraps but it will last longer.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 3, 2018 7:58:10 AM

EXACTLY

It's not about how fast you can do it. It is how many times you can do it race boy. A semi won't pull 23lb as fast as a duracraps but it will last longer.


Posted by: RAM | Jul 3, 2018 7:58:10 AM

So you think a semi couldn’t outrun a 1 ton truck with only 23k in tow?

I would love to see a freightliner with a detroit DD15 run that course with only 25k in tow. I would go so far as to say the mileage may not be very different.

The fact that you are comparing the Cummins used in a Ram to a OTR rig in terms of power or reliability just discedited yourself more than I could.

Frank told me to tell all of you RAM and GM shills to shut your pie holes. He is tired of coming on this site and reading your stupid and FAKE NEWS posts.

Why are the pictures so small?? You can't see any good details with small pictures, is there any way to upload larger pictures??

Why are the pictures so small?? You can't see any good details with small pictures, is there any way to upload larger pictures??


Posted by: Me | Jul 3, 2018 9:59:05 AM

It won't matter if you're viewing using your phone.

From what I can see in these pics and looking at the teaser picture Chevy released a while back, that HD front end is going to be ugly. I think they are trying to out do the Ford Super Duty for the ugliest front end. While RAM's front end it pretty much going to look like the current truck but with LED head lights and fog lights. GM needs to stop selling the Silverado and just sell the Sierra, at least GMC makes a descent looking truck.

Just another GM HD truck that will beat the crap out Ford, Maybe Ford will build and 8.0L diesel next year to try and keep up with the bad a##$ Duramax!!!!

If you don’t venture off-road GM trucks are solid. But off the beaten path, that IFS really has issues. The US border patrol has lots of GM IFS trucks and all have had the front bumpers, front suspension and steering modified for strength and reliability.
They also use stock Raptors.
Now, I’m no Ford fan, in fact I am not an EgoBoost fan at all, but it speaks volumes that Ford can build a stock IFS that survives a harsh off-road environment, but GM will not.
Note, it isn’t that GM cannot, GM WILL NOT.
Yes, the ZR2. And a grand light duty machine it is, taking on Tacoma the Goliath.
Meanwhile, in fullsize land, GlamLifts, Mall Krawlin, and obnoxious low profile tires on oversized rims scream “insecurity”, but never fear, your GM GovLoc will grenade itself at a moments notice when you really need it off camber, the front diff is a precariously designed system where the steering tie rods deflect permanently, right before catastrophic case failure. Some of us are GM fans, but not GM customers, because the reality is GM wants to sell trucks, not off-road machines.
So, guys like my 73 year old Dad who love the easy step in of a low slung GM IFS 4x4 are happy. But he has to ride in our truck to the cabin.
Congrats GM- the 5th wheel towing snowbirds, the racing community, and pavement dwellers will be pleased. Those of us who use our trucks off-road and can’t afford to have a new GM truck as a tow rig for our trail machine, end up with trucks and SUVs from other companies. Thus-the real reason GM could never dominate over Ford during the 6.0/6.4 PowerStroke days and the Dodges with the 4-speed automatics that would seemingly die from a Cummins at fast idle.

"The US border patrol has lots of GM IFS trucks and all have had the front bumpers, front suspension and steering modified for strength and reliability."

GM's IFS seems to hold up well to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWNWpZkfqsA


An F-150-based IFS isn't going to hold up any better. Especially the 2015 and newer F-150's. The upper control arms were "lightweighted" by replacing the forged steel part with a cheap stamped steel part that uses super thin steel. The balls joints are also cheapened up. The lower control arms used to be aluminum but were replaced with cheap stamped steel parts. The F-150's 4WD is the cheapest and weakest of any half-ton sold today thanks to the plastic hub locks Ford uses. Some guys have had their 4WD fail as many as 4 or 5 times in the 2015 and up F-150's.

And the F-250/350 is no better.

Between the cheap ball joints, cheap tie rod ends, worthless unreliable IWE hub locks (yep Ford uses those cheap IWE's on their SFA trucks too), and death wobbling front suspension, the Superduty is nothing to brag about offroad. Ford "lightweighted" a lot of the front suspension components for a better ride, including the track bar. The pre-2017 Superduty had that super flimsy C-channel frame that flexed so bad it was famous for cracking radiators. Most guys I know with Superduty's have gone through a minimum of 2 or 3 radiators since they've owned their trucks (less than 8 years for any of them). Not a great offroading option.

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"Meanwhile, in fullsize land, GlamLifts, Mall Krawlin, and obnoxious low profile tires on oversized rims scream “insecurity"

Seems to be the case:
https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/33989-1-2008-f-350-super-duty-ford-leveling-kit-fuel-maverick-machined-accents-aggressive-1-outside-fender.jpg

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/131895423+w660+h495+q80+re0+cr1+ar0/ford-f350-super-duty-lead.jpg

https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/2490-4-2008-f-350-super-duty-ford-suspension-lift-6-rockstar-2-rockstar-2-silver-super-aggressive-3.jpg

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"Now, I’m no Ford fan, in fact I am not an EgoBoost fan at all, but it speaks volumes that Ford can build a stock IFS that survives a harsh off-road environment, but GM will not."

The Hall Racing ZR2 has been racing in BITD for over a year now, running a fully stock suspension. Seems that GM's IFS works just fine.

And the Raptor's IFS is FAR from some kind of beast that can run hard off-road duty for 100k+ miles. Guys that really use their Raptors off-road find out quickly that if you leave the IFS stock, you can plan on those control arm bushings being shot by 25k miles, the ball joints will be lucky to last more than 40k miles, the upper control arms are seriously underbuilt, and the steering knuckles are famous for breaking off just below the upper ball joint. It's so common most guys will either weld gusset plates onto the factory upper knuckle to reinforce it, or they'll just toss the factory knuckle and replace it with a fully welded aftermarket part. You'll probably deny that it's a problem but simply search "Ford Raptor broken steering knuckle" will show you it's very common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnoCkyQ0oIg&t=7m40s

Oh, and Ford's 4WD system is an absolute embarrassment. Cheap vac assist IWE's that use plastic splined gears to transfer power from the axle to the wheel. Legendary for their ability to fail constantly, especially on the Raptor with 35's and a limited slip front diff. You gotta put a minimum of $5k into the Raptor to eliminate most of the weakest stuff Ford puts on the truck, including the weak upper control arms.

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"the front diff is a precariously designed system where the steering tie rods deflect permanently"

This was an issue that was most common on GMT800's and it was only really an issue because of stupidity. The 2010+ GM HD trucks have an upgraded steering setup that's much better. For the GMT800, yeah some guys are dumb enough to crank the torsion bars up and it puts the entire steering geometry under extra stress. The worst are the guys that show up at the truck pull with their GMT800-era Duramax, front end cranked up, then wonder why the front end does crazy things when they're pulling in 4WD. The steering geometry is all messed up because they cranked the torsion bars up.

I also don't see what the front steering has to do with the G80, which is in the rear diff. If you know how a G80 works and how to use it right, they're a decent locker for a stock truck. Sure beats taking an F-250 out and getting stuck with that open rear diff.

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"Thus-the real reason GM could never dominate over Ford during the 6.0/6.4 PowerStroke days"

The only think the 6.Blow and 6.4 dominated were the lifts at the repair shop. Especially the 6.0.... 4 bolt per cyclinder headgasket blowing garbage.

You can clearly see these new GM HD's are just like all the GM HD's before, built to work, and work hard. They have that GM 'Work Stance', even with a very heavy load, they don't even sit level, always a little higher in the back, 'cause they can always take a little more. Compare that to Ford's, which sit level with nothing in them, and drag tail with any sort of load. We call that the 'Ford Slouch'. Get it? GM Work Stance, Ford Slouch. Now often times that's like the truck's owners too. I see young men driving the GM HD's showing up on the big jobs ready to work, and work all day. The Ford guys show up late and stand around smoking Winstons, complaining how expensive it is to fix their crapped out Powerstroke they modded right out of warranty, the Death Wobble caused by their stupid 6" lift, and all the hail dents on their aluminum roofs and hoods. Yes sir, GM WORD STANCE, FORD SLOUCH! That's it, man!

@ Old GM Guy: The 2020 Silverado HD can be seen in the July edition of Motor Trend Magazine, it's a near accurate reflection of the exposed teaser photo that was shown of this truck almost a few months ago. The look is overall very aggressive. I would purchase one myself, but my lifestyle would serve no use for having one at this point.



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