Chevrolet Dealers Prep for Medium-Duty Return

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Come December, medium-duty 2019 Chevrolet Silverado 4500s, 5500s and 6500s will start flowing into GM dealerships — a day for which many GM dealers have waited patiently. When GM discontinued production of the Chevrolet Kodiak and GMC TopKick medium-duty trucks in 2009 (a delay from the original 2007 discontinuation), many GM commercial dealers were not happy about losing their business to Ford and Ram commercial dealers. Both those brands ramped up their medium-duty offerings quickly.

But with the advent of Chevy medium-duty trucks, that's about to change.

According to Automotive News (subscription required), Chevy dealers are gearing up for the new Class 4, 5 and 6 medium-duty trucks by expanding their service and sales operations in significant ways, such as adding larger service areas, training for employees and more staff.

The new cutaway and cowl chassis variants were introduced at the 2018 NTEA Work Truck Show and are part of a GM-Navistar partnership. The trucks are being built at a Navistar production plant in Springfield, Ohio. It will take some time for Chevy to make inroads into the medium-duty truck market, but with more than 400 established commercial dealerships across the country, it has a good start. Many of those dealers will continue to sell cab-forward variants (produced in partnership with Isuzu) along with the standard Silverado 3500 chassis-cab models.

Once the new trucks are available, we expect to see some creative truck builders get take 4500 chassis crew cabs and fit a full-size 8-foot bed on the back to make a big impression — maybe on a 4x4 trail (the medium-duty trucks will be offered in 4x2 and 4x4 drivetrains). Some businesses might even think of creating a one-off medium-duty pickup as a promotional vehicle and use it as a tax write-off. We can't think of a better way for a business to make a big first impression.

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GM is so weak they have Navastar build their medium duty trucks.

Down right pathetic.

* Navistar

At least they are profitable. Which is more than you can say for Ford.

Get on topic you moron

I didn't realize GM wasn't building their own trucks. I had heard about this new line coming out, and assumed GM was designing and building it. I'm disappointed to see this is just a rebadged truck from another builder.

@ Disappointed

Be careful. You don't want Brick to call you a moron.

Gm=Following the leader-Ford. No surprise here.

These trucks are not rebadge Internationals, they are build together in a partnership. Navistar provides a rolling chassis, while GM provides cab, power train, interior, electrical components etc.

@ BF PapaJoke

You’re a morn because of trying to hijack this thread a divert to profits.

@ BF PapaJoke

You’re a morn because of trying to hijack this thread a divert to profits.


Posted by: Brick | Oct 1, 2018 3:33:55 PM

Frank,

Just use your username. It's OK. We think your a little slow but you don't need to post as everyone else in an effort to get us to think your intelligent.

@ Brick

Please stay on topic and put something useful down in your comments. You sound rather childish with all of your insults

Now on topic: that's one intimidating front end coming at you! Love the looks of this truck. Great job GM. What a beast of a machine

GM is so weak they have Navastar build their medium duty trucks.

Down right pathetic.


Posted by: Brick | Oct 1, 2018 1:33:44 PM

G.M. bought GMC to build their trucks.

So this monster is the same as a 4500 RAM? I can't imagine it getting better fuel milage with such a large body style.

Navistar was building medium duty trucks for Ford from 2003 to 2015. GM was smart to get a partner, there isn't much profit in these vehicles. There are rumors that Ford may drop their larger medium duty trucks in 2020.

That's one great looking medium duty truck.

GM is so weak they have Navastar build their medium duty trucks.

Down right pathetic.

Posted by: Brick | Oct 1, 2018 1:33:44 PM

You do realize that because you post under so many different user names you have no credibility.

navistar is where the 7.3, 6.0 and 6.4 came from. And where the F650 and F750 came from in the past.

You do realize that because you post under so many different user names you have no credibility.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Oct 1, 2018 4:24:24 PM
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Get on topic or shut your Fhole.

There are rumors that Ford may drop their larger medium duty trucks in 2020...Posted by: Big Bob

@Big Bob

If Ford executives don't quickly return the company to real profitability soon, 2020 may not come for these trucks.

Ford stock today is half the price it was less than five years ago. Today the company is paying six percent dividends to keep its shareholders from bailing out. That won't last for long.

GM is so weak they have Navastar build their medium duty trucks.

Down right pathetic.

Posted by: Brick | Oct 1, 2018 1:33:44 PM

Bingo.

This could make life interesting for General Motors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-16/vw-truck-division-signals-possible-takeover-of-u-s-s-navistar

This is a smart move for GM. This helps keep open the Navistar plant in Springfield, OH and leverages out production for a truck line that is not a volume seller but is a product that GM wants to provide their dealers who have been asking for a medium duty truck. This is a win win for both GM and Navistar.

VW's truck division is currently interested in Navistar. VW is also in the process of spinning their truck didivon off. The new company will be known as Traton.

Big Bob
Yes it is now kniwn as Traton. It includes the separate Truck companies id Scania and MAN and MAN 's South American Truck division( a truck company owning a truck company., on this case a VW branded one).
All total it produced 209,900 trucks last year NA heavy truck production was 269,000 last year It would make sense for Traton to takeover Navistar as Cummins engines are used in the VW branded South American Trucks and Navistar

GUTLESS

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BRICK

There are also rumors of more joint venture trucks between GM and Navistar. Who knows, might see a Chevy class 8 tractor one day.

@Big Bob
Very much.doubt a class 8 truck.Replacement for the ancient Chevy van could be very much on the cards

So GM still isn't building medium duty trucks, just buying into the market with a Navistar option to complement their Isuzu option. That's cool, their little van is from Renault. Honestly I think there are times it makes sense to punt/partner with a SME to get specialized things done... like a specific engine, or even specialized model. Its apparent with these offerings and strategy that GM is "phoning in" its commitment to commercial and medium duty markets which is a step up from their practice since 2009 (remember they went under in 2010) of total neglect and abandonment. Remember kids when GM tries to do things on its own it falls on its face and needs a "partner"... like the government to pick it back up. So give credit where its due... Navistar gained a big dealer network for its medium duty truck and GM gets another rebadged offering for commercial customers.

GM announced a decision in 2017 to get out of markets that were unprofitable, which is why they sold Opel. Selling Opel was a big hit on their quarterly report but Wall Street loved the idea and it streamlined the company at a time when a lot of analysts thought it was needed.

Since then their focus has been consistent with CEO Barra's plan in this regard. These heavy duty trucks simply are a micro market that doesn't offer the potential ROI that something like EV or self driving vehicles presents.

Navistar has been a calf without a cow for a long time and they give GM a good way to compete in the space without a big commitment.

GUTS

GLORY

CLASS LEADING

BEST INTERIORS

BEST CHASSIS

BEST POWERTRAINS

RAM HEAVY DUTY

So GM still isn't building medium duty trucks, just buying into the market with a Navistar option to complement their Isuzu option. That's cool, their little van is from Renault. Honestly I think there are times it makes sense to punt/partner with a SME to get specialized things done... like a specific engine, or even specialized model. Its apparent with these offerings and strategy that GM is "phoning in" its commitment to commercial and medium duty markets which is a step up from their practice since 2009 (remember they went under in 2010) of total neglect and abandonment. Remember kids when GM tries to do things on its own it falls on its face and needs a "partner"... like the government to pick it back up. So give credit where its due... Navistar gained a big dealer network for its medium duty truck and GM gets another rebadged offering for commercial customers.


Posted by: Clint | Oct 2, 2018 6:00:12 AM


You bias is showing,

So tell me what was wrong with utilizing Navistar when Ford was doing it all those years? I'm sure it was a great decision then.

@Clint

If Ford does it, its reinventing the wheel! If anyone else does it, well, its just plain nonsense? Isn't that how you think? Your unreal!

@Clint

If Ford does it, its reinventing the wheel! If anyone else does it, well, its just plain nonsense? Isn't that how you think? Your unreal!


Posted by: TNTGMC | Oct 2, 2018 9:38:15 AM

You are no different then Clint, do you realize that?

If Ford does it and then GM does it. Is that not GM following Ford's lead?

Navistar should fix many of the issues with the old one. I seriously considered buying a motorhome built on the old one until I read online forums about how much time and money most buyers spent upgrading the suspension. Also, the engine and transmission were pulled out of a 2500. The engine seemed to be fine but the transmission killed towing capability. Hopefully GM goes with a bigger transmission in this iteration. It is not like they have to create on, just give Allison a few more dollars. At least make it available as an option.

"If Ford executives don't quickly return the company to real profitability soon, 2020 may not come for these trucks.
Ford stock today is half the price it was less than five years ago. Today the company is paying six percent dividends to keep its shareholders from bailing out. That won't last for long.
Posted by: papajim"

The reports that I am seeing say that Ford is making money while GM is loosing their tail. The only good thing that you can say about GM as an investment is that it has been less bad than Ford. GM is actually down from where they were 5 years ago right now. They are down from 1 year ago about 20%, a month ago about 10% and even from a week ago. On the other hand, Tesla is up about 120% over the last 5 years even after all the recent bad news.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GM?p=GM

A lot of ignorance on display by some in this thread. The rolling chassis is the only Navistar content in this entire truck. What’s so bad about partnering with someone already established in this limited space. This partnership saved a ton of money and still produces an awesome Duramax powered beast. I would simply call it smart business.

The only good thing that you can say about GM as an investment is that it has been less bad than Ford.

@walt

don't invest in auto stocks, if you don't like it. GM looks WAY better than Ford over the last 5 years. Not less bad. GM is well positioned and Ford is not. You're barking up the wrong tree.

GM's move with "outsourcing" the heavy trucks is smart. GM's focus on profitability is smart. Ford's take on the future is visionary but very risky. They've lost a lot of top investors over it.

@ Frank

You are the bias king. I at least give credit where credit is due. Your ford lies kool-aide runs deep blue with you!

Having Navistar build medium trucks worked for Ford so likely it will work for GM.

Its hard not to be biased. One company stays in business the other 2 go under. International/Navistar had a partnership with Ford for a long time to build engines. My original comment stands in expressing the wisdom of farming out some limited tasks. Fiat could never build anything as good as a Cummins engine and for a long time it was wise for Ford to buy its diesel from I/NI. My "bias" doesn't change the fact that GM effectively abandoned this market, failed in business, and is now "returning" almost entirely with rebadged products it doesn't make. Perhaps this really is the best way for a failed company to put forth the best products it can. The only really commercial organic offering they make is their fred flintstone era full sized van. So if you go to a Chevy dealer thinking non pickuptruck commercial... think Navistar, Renault or primitive. But hey their fans "BIAS" can overlook all the past and present failure.

Having a more complete commercial portfolio helps sale more 1500's and 2500's etc... the commercial company will have to deal with one manufactor. One dealer for all their needs. One finance company.

@clint

Go to GM's website.

They just published their Q3 sales figures. Read it and weep! It was their best quarter for midsize trucks since 2004. More to come!

@Taylor,

Do you expect anything else but ignorance from some of the guys on this site--uh hum-- papajim.


They should call this place pickuptrucksignorancedotcom

They better prep for a flop from the new Silverado too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1095&v=3g9Y40QSS-U

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RAM!!

@ Clint

BIAS! yes, if your bias is believing a company that supposedly makes a reliable "class leading" truck, then you and the rest of the ford kool-aide bunch are within your own little word!

Ford needs to focus on a complete truck! Period! Now that they are abandoning making cars in general. They could take that time and money and use it to build a great truck...not class leading nonsense that turns out not to be so class leading in comparison tests!

Also, build a new midsize truck (Ranger) that doesn't resemble that of a car that they will no longer be producing/abandoning (Taurus). That there is down right pathetic and embarrassing. They could have crushed it with a state of the art truck, but failed in my opinion! This is what Ford is.

What Ford was, the 1997 F150 that changed the truck market with its revolutionary styling! This is what the Ranger should have done!

Its hard not to be biased. One company stays in business the other 2 go under. International/Navistar had a partnership with Ford for a long time to build engines. My original comment stands in expressing the wisdom of farming out some limited tasks. Fiat could never build anything as good as a Cummins engine and for a long time it was wise for Ford to buy its diesel from I/NI. My "bias" doesn't change the fact that GM effectively abandoned this market, failed in business, and is now "returning" almost entirely with rebadged products it doesn't make. Perhaps this really is the best way for a failed company to put forth the best products it can. The only really commercial organic offering they make is their fred flintstone era full sized van. So if you go to a Chevy dealer thinking non pickuptruck commercial... think Navistar, Renault or primitive. But hey their fans "BIAS" can overlook all the past and present failure.


Posted by: Clint | Oct 2, 2018 1:05:49 PM

Whether or not the vehicle is out-sourced or just the frame does not matter to you. The wisdom of using Navistar as an engine maker sure did work out well for Ford at the end, right?

Your attempts to prop up your favorite company with un-biased posts fails miserably. You have a favorite and it shows. Now just tell everyone you are a Ford shill and move on.

GM currently is a much stronger entity than Ford. I can't wait to hear what a 9% drop in truck sales this month did to their bottom line.

"You have a favorite and it shows. Now just tell everyone you are a Ford shill and move on.

GM currently is a much stronger entity than Ford. I can't wait to hear what a 9% drop in truck sales this month did to their bottom line.

Posted by: andrwken"

Just swap the words GM and Ford and change the 9% drop to 24 times as much as Fords for the quarter and it applies to you pretty well.

"You have a favorite and it shows. Now just tell everyone you are a Ford shill and move on.

GM currently is a much stronger entity than Ford. I can't wait to hear what a 9% drop in truck sales this month did to their bottom line.

Posted by: andrwken"

Just swap the words GM and Ford and change the 9% drop to 24 times as much as Fords for the quarter and it applies to you pretty well.


Posted by: Walt | Oct 2, 2018 3:08:43 PM

I don't pretend not to have a favorite.

24 times as much as 9?

Math not your strong suit?

"24 times as much as 9?
Math not your strong suit?
Posted by: andrwken "

Actually, it is. Ford is down about 1,100 units for the quarter and GM is down about 26,000. 26,000 divided 1,100 is around 24. No need to get out the calculator but have at it if you want to.



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