Behind the 2011 Ford Super Duty Payload Numbers

Behind the 2011 Ford Super Duty Payload Numbers

We've just given you the full rundown of the new 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty's power, towing and hauling specs. The numbers are best in class in most areas, but we're going to look past the dazzling figures at some interesting relative comparisons.

Let's look at the payload ratings.

You might think the F-450 pickup would have a higher maximum payload than the F-350 pickup, but for 2011 that's not the case. Ford reduced the F-450's gross vehicle weight rating from 14,500 pounds in 2010 to 13,050 for 2011, decreasing maximum payload from 6,180 pounds to 4,920 pounds (highlighted in orange). The move is aimed at improving fuel economy by using new frame components and lighter axles.

But take a close look at the F-350, where the class-leading payload is limited to one very specific configuration. It's 6,520 pounds (highlighted in yellow) for an F-350 regular-cab long-box two-wheel-drive dually with a 12,800 pound GVWR and the all-new 6.2-liter V-8. However, the same configuration in four-wheel drive with the 6.7-liter diesel is rated at 5,230 pounds (highlighted in yellow) - 1,290 pounds less. Adding four-wheel drive in similar DRW configurations subtracts 300 to 400 pounds from the maximum payload. Taking into account the extra weight of the diesel and urea SCR system could account for another 300 to 400 pounds or so.

Where did the approximately 500 pounds of extra payload capability come from? Could it be from the 385-horsepower, 405 pounds-feet 6.2-liter gas V-8 engine?

2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty Payload Ratings
Source: Ford, specs subject to change

Let's compare to the payload ratings for the 2010 Super Duty. The green highlighted numbers we'll discuss were calculated with the 362-hp, 457 pounds-feet 6.8-liter V-10, which is now only available for the F-450 and F-550 chassis cabs.

Maximum payload is 5,730 pounds for a crew-cab two-wheel-drive F-350 at 12,600pounds GVWR. That's a very different configuration from the 2011 F-350 maximum payload setup. The closest we can get to the 2011 payload number is 5,690 pounds at 12,000 pounds GVWR in two-wheel drive and 5,460 pounds at 12,200 pounds GVWR in four-wheel drive.

We've been told by Ford that the springs haven't been changed for 2011 from the 2010 hardware. Perhaps that's not the case because it doesn't seem as if the differences in engine ratings are enough to boost payload in the 2011 truck to such a high figure.

2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty Payload Ratings
Source: Ford

Finally, let's compare to the 2011 Chevrolet Silverado HD, which for a brief time had class-leading payload in the three-quarter-ton segment. The Chevrolet 3500 loses to the Ford by 185 pounds. But look at two notable items about GM's payload figures. The first is that the GM HD pickups have a 6,000-pounds-plus payload rating for every cab configuration. The second is the spread is much narrower between the largest GM number and smallest -- 6,335 pounds versus 5,905 pounds. In the Super Duty, it's 6,520 pounds vs. 4,900 pounds.

2011 Chevrolet Silverado HD Payload Ratings
Source: General Motors

So we're scratching our heads a bit about the Ford number. We're not saying it's magic spring dust that gets them the 6,520-pound best-in-class rating, but there's something at work that isn't quite clear from last year's numbers and versus the competition.

Comments

"So we're scratching our heads a bit about the Ford number. We're not saying it's magic spring dust that gets them the 6,520-pound best-in-class rating, but there's something at work that isn't quite clear from last year's numbers and versus the competition."

Ford has been doing this for years (F-150). It really is no surpirse that they are doing it with the HDs.

Ford ALWAYS does this. They boast huge towing and payload capacities when it's all a bunch of b.s. That way the "Furd" lovers can say "my truck is better than y'alls truck!"

Ford still sells more trucks by brand than any other car company in the world. HA!

@Frank
How long are you Ford guys gonna hang onto that argument? Forever probably since that's the only thing that Ford has going for them. GM outsells Ford's trucks 3-2. HA!

"How long are you Ford guys gonna hang onto that argument?".

Until GM outsells them by brand then I will let it go. So until then, HA!!!

If you don't like you can grab you're purse and leave.

@Frank
Ford guys always start talking like that. Trying to feel all masculine. Well I don't have to belittle other people to feel masculine. And I'm comfortable enough with myself to laugh at what you said and not get mad. It's a "european shoulder bag, dammit"!

"Where did the approximately 500 pounds of extra payload capability come from? Could it be from the 385-horsepower, 405 pounds-feet 6.2-liter gas V-8 engine?"

Yeah. It is lighter and more powerful.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011superduty/

"And I'm comfortable enough with myself to laugh at what you said and not get mad. It's a "european shoulder bag, dammit" - Quagmire


Oh, that there is funny. Thanks!


"How long are you Ford guys gonna hang onto that argument? Forever probably since that's the only thing that Ford has going for them. GM outsells Ford's trucks 3-2."

GM corporate yes. Chevrolet? No. GMC? No.

Clear enough for you dork? That's the only way GM can win, by combining two separate lines. And yes, they are separate entities in GM.

It's a bit embarrassing just to be posting on the same site as some of you, but here it goes. GM will have to have improved to feel of their trucks a lot to compete. I don't care what the numbers say, we have Fords and GM's at work outfitted the same way and once you get a bit of weight in the GM's they are scary to drive compare to the Fords. They just feel like the load is controlling them. They are all just 3/4 tons but the difference is unbelievable. Without weight the GM's are nicer, but these are work trucks - or at least the Fords are.

GM sells MORE 1/2 ton trucks than anybody, Ford DOES NOT share it's F-150 "platform with mercury like GM does with chevy and GMC , and only a handful lincoln p/u's were made.
The sales stats , at least until the economy crunch had GM selling approx 800,000 silverado platform trucks to about 750,000 f-150. So keep braggin on how many years f-150 leads sales list and let everybody know it only takes a simple mike rowe commercial to provide the average armchair expert their facts.

I'll agree with nails, he should be embarssed to post something that stupid. Once you put some weight in these trucks it gets scary allright. 90% of the time it's some retard who owns a beat up civic & shows up to work to drive his boss' new HD truck and hauls butt down the highway 85 mph with nary A CLUE ON IF HE CAN STOP THE STUPID THING with 2 tons of tile in the bed.
the difference is unbelievable between the two , especially when you start to compare routine maintenance and repair costs and then find out how inferior the drivetrain combos of a gas f-250 is vs. a gm 2500. ever heard of a vortec blowing a spark plug out of it's cylinder head? NO! price a triton intake manifold gasket or coil pack too while your at it.

Who cares who sells the most of anything, is the caravan better than the odyssey, is the cobalt better than the golf? Anyways you can always play with numbers, the chev+gm half ton outsell ford half ton, but ford sells more when you take into account all trucks. But who cares anyways, it in no way makes one better than the other.

ford jacked up the tow ratings for 2011 using same chassis, well atleast ford fanboys will feel good about their truck which frame and axles are weaker compare to 2011 GM HD's.

actually madman281, I have never really driven anything but trucks, but for those of us who actually work our trucks on the farm and on the job, these gm POS are quite literally throw away trucks. We can't get much more than 30000 miles out of a front end and you'd better hope those hunks of junk are easy to service, because you'll be doing it a lot more than than with a Ford. Anyone who likes GM does not work their truck because they do not last if you do. No doubt the duramax has proven to be a good engine, but that advantage it seems is coming to an end. Only time will tell, but if you compare the quality of product out of Ford lately with what is coming out of government motors, it isn't even close, so I'll take my chances on a superduty, thank you very much. And by the way, even with the spark plug fiasco, consumer reports still rated the long term reliabiluty of the f-150 better than the GM.

The GM payload numbers aren't showing both the gas and diesel payloads - where are their diesel payloads???

Just because Ford does't have all new springs for 2011MY, doesn't mean they didn't just put on a heavier duty spring on their F-350 DRW Reg Cab to get the increased payload. They could have put a spring on it from a 2010 F-450 pickup or something.

Payload ratings are a little off to start with on all trucks. Mainly because the GVW's on them are all arbitrary. I just bought a used dodge last week end, GVW 9000, Front Axle GVWR 5200, Rear Axle GVW 6000, payload 2100. Now in my mind, 5200+6000=11200 and that should be the GVW. Why isn't it? Hell if I know.

Lets look at the Ford in question,

F-350 DRW 4x2 GVW 12800 Payload 6520
F-350 DRW 4x4 GVW 12800 Payload 5230

What does this tell us? It tells us the transfer case and the front axle weight 1290 lbs extra. How much does that really affect payload? Well the transfer case is the only thing that should really affect the payload rating. Why didn't they bump the GVW up? Hell if I know.

There's really only 4 reasons I can come up with why they don't set GVW = combined axle GVW.
1) Insurance purposes
2) The Government
3) Brakes
4) They are afraid if they did someone would over load the Rear Axle

And for those saying "how could it have more payload if the springs and frame are the same." Well the 2010 F-350 already supported a 13000 GVW as it was, just not in the regular cap configuration.

Mike Levine,

Do you think that the weight difference between the 6.2L 16 Valve V8 vs the 6.8L 30 Valve V10 played a huge roll? Not to mention the weight savings with the new lighter TorqShift 6?

@Jeremiah: When I compare to last year's numbers, what I see is a very big jump in payload for the F-350. Why wasn't it that high last year with the V-10? I don't think the difference in weight between the 6.2-L V-8 and the V-10 can be that large. The 6.2-L is using a cast iron block.

@Joe: GM's max payloads are with the 6.0-liter gas engine because it's lighter than the diesel.

@ Nails

Well, I don’t know about those GM trucks being POS. I've got a 21 yr old GMC 2500 with 250,000 miles on it. Other than routine maintenance and a trans rebuild at 200K (which I did myself), the truck runs great. And no, I don’t let anyone else but myself work on my truck, so your argument that they aren’t as easy to work on doesn’t really fly. I also have a '99 Silverado that i do all the work on as well so age and model year isn’t a factor here. I use both trucks like trucks, and they keep asking for more.

Also, I had a '97 F-150 that threw a rod at 75k miles, and I know a handful of other guys who have had the similar issues.

Now I'm not saying that Ford can't make a good truck, in fact my DD is a 2009 F-150 which I love, but I still think GM trucks are easier to work on and require a little less maintenance

This is too funny. These trucks are so capable what dose it really matter if one can carry 350 lbs more than the other? If 1/10th of a percent of HD truck buyers ever find something that heavy that will still fit in the bed of these trucks I'd be amazed. If I were considering robbing Fort Knox this may be an issue.

Really...just buy what makes you smile, then go find something that weighs 6000 lbs that will fit in the bed. Take a picture of the truck and send it to Mike to post, cause I'd love to see it.

Brand bashing is ignorant.

@CreigMac: About the only thing I can think of that will fill the bed and weigh 6,000 pounds is dirt. What else can we use to test its payload capacity? Maybe this should be the question of the day?

" f-250 is vs. a gm 2500. ever heard of a vortec blowing a spark plug out of it's cylinder head? NO! price a triton intake manifold gasket or coil pack too while your at it". - madman281


I have seen Tie-Rods breaks with their inferior suspension design on GM2500.

Here is my proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJR0IqqKkc

How humiliating is that on a $40,000 truck. I have a lot more clips.

You're post regarding the poster nails fail. Evidently he seen both at work. My company fleet avoids GM Trucks like a plague.

"these gm POS are quite literally throw away trucks". - nails

We all know this!!!


"It's a bit embarrassing just to be posting on the same site as some of you, but here it goes. GM will have to have improved to feel of their trucks a lot to compete. I don't care what the numbers say, we have Fords and GM's at work outfitted the same way and once you get a bit of weight in the GM's they are scary to drive compare to the Fords. They just feel like the load is controlling them. They are all just 3/4 tons but the difference is unbelievable. Without weight the GM's are nicer, but these are work trucks - or at least the Fords are". - nails

Finally. Real people who do real work with their Trucks. Thanks for proving my point of GM POS TRUCKS!!!!!

FORD SUPERDUTY TRUCKS weigh 1000 #'s more. These GM cheerleaders don't seem to understand that.


". I've got a 21 yr old GMC 2500 with 250,000 miles on it". - Bossman


Show us proof. I bet you can support you're statement.


I haul sod, cement, bricks and stuff in mine. have put up to 3700 lbs with no issues 2008 F250

"but I still think GM trucks are easier to work on" - Bossman

Duh, they are still using Push Rod engines that dates back to the early 1950's. LMAO!!

"@CreigMac: About the only thing I can think of that will fill the bed and weigh 6,000 pounds is dirt. What else can we use to test its payload capacity? Maybe this should be the question of the day?" - Mike L

Gravel, How bout GRAVEL.

@Frank

After all your loud mouth posts, no one on this site will ever listen to you even if you had something meaningful to say.
Who cares?
Let people buy whatever they like, its their money...

"@Frank

After all your loud mouth posts, no one on this site will ever listen to you even if you had something meaningful to say.
Who cares?
Let people buy whatever they like, its their money"... - Brian

I really don't care what people buy. I'm just stating facts. If you don't like it you can grab you're purse and leave.

Evidently you do listen or else you wouldn't respond. Hypocrite!!!

@ Frank - it's not a purse its a Murse = Man pUrse = murse. I am happy that a Ford fanboy doesn't know the difference anyway. LMFAO.

Well as far as the clip goes of the Chevy breaking the tie rods, it obviously is not stock, and is also running larger wheels and tires than stock.

I would much rather work on a 6.0 pushrod engine than a 5.4 engine. A friend of mine's f250 gas work truck just cost $3500 dollars to have the spark plugs changed because the cylinder heads had to be removed two times to take the spark plugs out (the tech put it together wrong the 1st time). It was in the shop just over a month. I think i'll take a GM 6.0 gas anyday thank you.

I guess everyone will have to wait till the HD truck shoot out again, oh and I believe that GM won it the last time.

what's with madmen? he's still using the word retard and he expects people to listen to him? ugh.

@ Frank

So what if GM is still using a pushrod engine? I'm looking for something that I can work on, that is reliable and that can tow whatever I want. GM just happens to fit the bill.

Props to Brett for a great example.

Ford is a very deceitful and arrogant company. They only care about winning wars on paper...not out in the real world.

There is a reason the F-150...with it's boat anchor engines and massive curb weight struggles to pull a ~6500 pound trailer...yet the appliance is rated to 11,300 pounds.

Lately Ford has been getting praise from disillusioned people who think their products are different from before...and that's simply not true. It's the same cheap/mediocre junk from years past.

"@ Frank - it's not a purse its a Murse = Man pUrse = murse. I am happy that a Ford fanboy doesn't know the difference anyway. LMFAO" - Tony

If you say so. Only you would know of a Murse.

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"Well as far as the clip goes of the Chevy breaking the tie rods, it obviously is not stock, and is also running larger wheels and tires than stock". - Brent

You got to be kidding. Stock or not it shouldn't be breaking suspension parts like that. Bye the way, look at the tire/rims. They look like 20" rims.

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"I would much rather work on a 6.0 pushrod engine than a 5.4 engine." - Brent

I thought we had established that a Pushrod motor was easier to work on then a SOHC. Read the damn post for once.

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"A friend of mine's f250 gas work truck just cost $3500 dollars to have the spark plugs changed because the cylinder heads had to be removed two times to take the spark plugs out (the tech put it together wrong the 1st time). It was in the shop just over a month. I think i'll take a GM 6.0 gas anyday thank you". - Brent

Blah, blah, blah. My dad can beat up you're dad. Show me proof. WTF does Ford have to do with the Tech's mistakes.

I am starting to think your IQ score is the size of you're shoe.

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"@ Frank

So what if GM is still using a pushrod engine? I'm looking for something that I can work on, that is reliable and that can tow whatever I want. GM just happens to fit the bill". Bossman

Don't worry, i'm sure you will have more than enough money to fix those inferior suspension parts.

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"Ford is a very deceitful and arrogant company. They only care about winning wars on paper...not out in the real world.

There is a reason the F-150...with it's boat anchor engines and massive curb weight struggles to pull a ~6500 pound trailer...yet the appliance is rated to 11,300 pounds.

Lately Ford has been getting praise from disillusioned people who think their products are different from before...and that's simply not true. It's the same cheap/mediocre junk from years past". - P

So is every other car company out there. Including the vehicle make you drive. You're post failed.

"I guess everyone will have to wait till the HD truck shoot out again, oh and I believe that GM won it the last time" - Brent

Read the darn article for once.

"Out of the three-quarter-ton trucks we'd go with the Ford F-250 V10 Triton. It may not be the quickest performer on the flats but if you need a solid, proven powertrain that can pull hard in the hills with diesel-like performance, this is the truck for you". - Mike Levine, Kent Sundling, and Neil McGarry

"And the Ford F-450? It's in a class all its own. With the form factor of heavy duty pickup and the towing power of a medium duty, this is one bad-to-the-bone pickup that begs to be used for towing and hauling only the biggest payloads. We think this is the first of new class of one-and-one-half-ton trucks we'll also be testing from Dodge and GM next time we do the Heavy Duty Shootout". - Mike Levine, Kent Sundling, and Neil McGarry

Yes, the Duramax took the 1-ton contest. 2 Ford wins to 1 Chevy.

Read the darn article for once and open your eyes.

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout9mpg.html

@Frank,

Ford does not have anything to do with the tech's mistake, but you would think that the design of the spark plugs would not require removal of the top end of the engine to service (as in many cases), and not require specific tooling to change the spark plugs themselves.

Yes I have read the article. I am aware that the V-10 won the in the 3/4 tons, but that's not my main concern as I don't plan to buy a 3/4 ton with a gas engine (at least not yet with the current offerings).

I am a fan of the new GMs, but I do not go on article after article and bash Ford and Dodge just because of the name. I enjoy this site, and I like to read comments to hear about other people's feedback, but it's too bad that everyone else who is trying to do that has to also read posts like yours where you attack everyone else.

"@Frank,

Ford does not have anything to do with the tech's mistake, but you would think that the design of the spark plugs would not require removal of the top end of the engine to service (as in many cases), and not require specific tooling to change the spark plugs themselves". - Brent

They don't require head removal.

Click on this link and you shall see what I mean.

http://blownsparkplugs.com/

Buy the truck.Put whatever accessories you want.Fill it with fuel and passengers and hook on to your fifth wheel and go to the scales.Only then will you find your true numbers.
These trucks are weighed without AC and transfer cases and so on.You will always see GM/FORD/DODGE publicies the numbers using regular cabs or gas jobs.

Mitch has a good point. Chances are, after you load your truck with accessories, fuel, passengers, other crap......the published payload is no longer truly valid anyway, as putting that much weight in your bed would mean exceeding your GVWR.

For me, the most important numbers are GVWR and towing rating. Those are the numbers I want to be careful not to exceed.

So what if some guy with 800 ft lbs. of torque broke a tie-rod at the county tractor pull? I'd rather fix a 50$ tierod than shell out to repair a broken bottom-end triton crank, or pay to have dual 5' long timing chains replaced at a 100k like some "triton" guys have found out about with their gasser-f-250's.
All trucks will break sooner or later if worked long and hard enough, one just has to decide if a the costs associated w/ a broken cheap GM 2500 tailgate handle vs. fishin' out a broken sparkplug out of a triton head , or dealin with the issues of some new "prototype" "super diesel" is a gamble you're willin' to pay for.

Also in all fairness and unbiased opinion I wouldn't determine which HD work truck i purchase primarily on the advice of some pencil pusher / consumer report type "journalist" ( which seems that lots of folk claiming their arguments do) who drove 3 new trucks around for a week and then sit there and tell you which one the workin' man which one is "the best" and needs to buy! Now thats Hilarious! (er.. Stupid!)

3 ton of cow salt,t-posts,rocks and gooseneck tongue weight. i think ford trucks are way underrated . they need to be dual rated one rating as they are now and one rating of short haul, level land and 55 speed limit.of at least 25% more.by the way ,i have owned chev,ford and dodge trucks over 30 years on my farm. in my experience ford are underrated chev is overrated and dodge is in between.

"Yes, the Duramax took the 1-ton contest. 2 Ford wins to 1 Chevy."

Frank, F450 wasn't competing with any other truck. How can it not win when there is no competitor? 1 ton diesel is the most important comparison and that's where Duramax wins.

Hey Frank why don't you do us all us ford drivers a favour and quit posting on this site. I drive A ford and enjoy it but you are making ford guys look bad with your childish comments about other trucks other than ford. Lots of my buddies drive GM and Dodge and have no problems with working them. Frank are you 15 years old or just an immature adult. Why are you so threatened by GM, is it because your ford(if you can even drive) is giving you troubles? Buy the truck you like and shut up about the rest, please.

@madman, i agree a 1 week tryout of the trucks for a shootout means nothing when it comes to reliability and everyday use and abuse. These shootouts are very inacurate, and cannot even test fuel economy with the regeneration process involved with new diesel engines ( one truck might have not even regenerated at all in the short shootout times and thus show better fuel economy). Nor can they test cost of running these new diesels with the Cummins not having to even use Urea Fliud to meet emission requirements therefore the Ford and Duramax will be more costly to run and maintain. The reason my Cummins gets 2 mpg better mileage than my Duramax is because the D-max regenerates every 400-450 kms and my Cummins coes 650 to 700 kms before regenerating. between regen cycles they both get exactly the same economy. If you want to make an informed decision on which truck to buy talk to someone who uses them daily for work and play. Never use a sight like this to decide as most posts are biased and people post false information just to make their truck look better.

alright kids lets take a look at this whole thing about gm being pieces of crap and all. k. so i own a 2005 ford f350, a 2002 dodge 2500, and a 2006 gmc 3500, all diesles. So now i live and work on a ranch in eastern montana, have been all my life and let me tell you something. Between the fords, dodges, and gmcs, it all comes down to towing and reliabilty for me. And i have log books of what has happened to each piece of equipment through out it's life, i list major tows and travels i've done with that truck or any major repairs and it seems the biggest problems i have with the fords and dodges is that their suspensions just ride like crap and when they break down which happens quite a bit let it be a fuel pump or an axle or trannys, it costs a whole lot more and seems to never be perfect afterwards. Now with my duramax. It out tows both trucks and if it breaks I usually find the right part for a reasonable price at most parts stores in the nearest town which is 78 miles away or i can just make my own and it usually is stronger than stock if I do that. Now I take care of all my vehicles equally the same and yes front ends on chevys need a little more maintance but a few pumps of the grease gun and close inspection every oil change has never hurt anybody unless your "lazy" of course, and it saves a lot of money and it's definitly worth it when talking about a truck that doesn't require me to take a laxetive at the end of the day due to a harsh ride from a ford or dodge just so I can take a crap.

" FPL is recognized as a “top 10 benchmark fleet” by the U.S. work truck industry, Masters said based on the maintenance track record of Ford’s two previous diesel engines, Masters is keeping a close eye on the trucks’ reliability and durability. "

“I’m expecting the turbocharger and fuel system to have a better track record [than the previous 6.0-liter and 6.4-liter diesels],” Masters said. “So far we haven’t had any problems. There haven’t been any service-related interruptions to the trucks.”

Uh by the way FPL received a grand total of "two" new trucks to use for the past year.

with quotes like this coming from a acknowledged top 10 benchmark for fleet study, now you know why just a quick search on a popular online motor search page for used pickups will show that although FORD sells maybe 10-20% more overall trucks than GM, theres exactly TWICE as many used 3/4 ton Fords for sale.



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