GM Increases Towing and Hauling Figures for 2011 Heavy Duty Trucks

GM Increases Towing and Hauling Figures for 2011 Heavy Duty Trucks

The battle royale among the titans of trucks continues. As expected, General Motors is upping the previously announced capability ratings of its new 2011 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra Heavy Duty pickups to reclaim several best-in-class towing and hauling figures from Ford's 2011 F-Series Super Duty lineup.

The two giants have been playing a fierce game of one-upmanship as each has slowly revealed the awesome capabilities of their 2011 HD pickups.

In a matchup of series versus series, GM says it now leads all HD segments in maximum conventional towing, with the one-ton Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra 3500 able to pull up to 17,000 pounds (up from 16,000 pounds) compared with the identical 16,000-pound max conventional towing rating for the one-ton Ford F-350 and one-and-a-half-ton Ford F-450. The Ram 3500HD is rated at 12,000 pounds.

GM's HD twins also claim series-best payload ratings across all segments. It's now able to haul up to 6,635 pounds (up from 6,335 pounds) compared with a maximum 6,520 pounds for the F-350 and 4,920 pounds for the F-450. The Ram 3500HD can carry up to 5,130 pounds.

Ford still holds onto the best overall fifth-wheel towing figure. The F-450 is rated to tow up to 24,400 pounds compared with a new maximum 21,700 pounds (up from 20,000 pounds) for the Silverado and Sierra 3500. Comparing apples-to-apples, the F-350 is only rated to tow up to 21,600 pounds.

Ford also retains the largest gross combined weight rating, at 33,000 pounds for the F-450. GM's one-ton 3500 trucks, however, are now rated at 29,200 pounds max GCWR vs. 29,100 for the F-350 and 25,400 for the Ram 3500 HD.

Heavy Duty Quick Comparison Chart

How has GM upped its work ratings after announcing lower numbers during the Silverado's reveal earlier this year at the Chicago Auto Show? It's all about improved confidence in the 2011 HD pickups, according to Rick Spina, GM's full-size truck vehicle line executive.

“Our focus has consistently been on delivering customers the most capable heavy-duty trucks in the market," Spina said. "The first set of capability tests confirmed that the team had exceeded the payload and towing targets by a significant margin. Ongoing testing demonstrated a clear opportunity to increase the true capabilities of these trucks. Even pulling a combined weight of nearly 15 tons seems easy behind the wheel of a 2011 Silverado HD 3500 with the proven Duramax Diesel."

But it's not just extra testing and (ahem) magic spring dust that's giving GM its confidence boost. GM is also making further hardware changes underneath, in addition to the previously announced all-new fully boxed frame, updated suspension and bigger brakes. Stronger steel is being used in the cargo box cross sills that run transversely beneath the bed to handle greater payloads.

GM also continues to hold onto best-in-class power figures for its 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 diesel engine, which is rated at 397 horsepower and 765 pounds-feet of torque.

2011 Chevrolet Silverado HD

Production of the new 2011 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra HD pickups is expected to start May 25 at GM's plant in Flint, Mich, where regular and crew cab models are assembled.

Carl Hillenbrand, Chevrolet Silverado product manager, says it won't be too long afterward that the first trucks should arrive at dealers.

"We'll hold the first [2011] trucks for a three day inspection period after they come off the line," Hillenbrand told PickupTrucks.com. "If there's no issue, it's possible that nearby dealers may have trucks for sale by the end of May. That's the tentative plan right now."

We'll find out how the latest crop of HD pickups performs in the near future during our 2010 Heavy Duty Shootout in Michigan. And we'll wonder what Ford might be planning to do between now and then.

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135 lbs hauling and 1000 towing? Just enough to beat the Ford. What a joke. This will be good for the sound-byte believing Obama Motors buyers.

Yikes that red dually has a pretty good stance me like .

You know, the comment was made that the Duramax is probably at the end of it's development while the 6.7L Powerstroke is only at the beginning when the Duramax bested the output of the new Powerstroke. I would agree with that. But now it looks like a similar situation may be true for GM's new HD chassis, in that it is really capable of much more than what GM currently has it rated at. Except for the front suspension, the Super Duty is still basically the 1999 design. And that brings me to another qusetion: When will we see a truly new Super Duty? That truck has had more updates and modifications than the 1973 Chevy pickup did over it's 14 year run.

Oh, and a message to Rick Spina: If you take a look at that chart, you will see a glaring deficiency in the area of gasoline engine output. You are not competitive there. Work on it.

@ Big Bob - I agree. Ford needs to come out with a new SD chassis and body. Hanging a big ugly chrome grill on it and some new badges isn't enough. It will be an interesting shootout:
GM with a new chassis but "end of life" motor.
Ford with a new engine/transmission but "end of life" chassis.
Dodge Ram - I'm not sure where they are at? I've heard a new engine is on it's way. Isn't the current chassis fairly new?
The Dodge is the underdog - I like that fact and would like to see them win.

This is great for General Motors, I can't wait what they will unveil for the 1500 series for 2012. I know they want to compete and destroy Ford in the truck segment, will in every segment. Go GM will are with you, hmm well I'm also with Ford just because it's an American Company. This is great for America; the big two are going at it.

@All American - what about Dodge?

The improved Duramax and New Frame on the GM HD's kick ass, and these numbers prove it...

"basically the 1999 design."

Not true.

In 2005 the Super Duty had major strength improvements with a new suspension, frame, brakes, etc.
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2005/ford/superduty/firstdrive/page3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Super_Duty#Facelift_.282005-2007.29

In 2008, they added the F-450 which was never available before and more changes to the chassis that you can read about here:
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2008/ford/sd/firstdrive/page3_03070129.html

In 2011, there were several major revisions. All of the hardware changes total up to a 600-pound weight savings are said to give the 6.7-L diesel powered 2011 F-450 a double-digit percentage improvement in fuel economy. As Mike Levine wrote, "With all the changes to the F-450, some might say that it’s the toughest, most capable F-350 pickup in Ford’s lineup."
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2009/09/first-look-2011-ford-fseries-super-duty.html

So there have been major changes all the way. Ford doesn't just wait 10 years to make changes, they practice (CANI) constant and never-ending improvement which is why they own the heavy duty market.

Ford this. Ford that. I am tired of these Ford fans ruining the GM post each time with their Ford talk. This has got to stop.

Ford owns the heavy duty market? Huh?? Since when? GM sells the most trucks. GM sells the best heavy duty trucks. GM is the best as shown by winning the 2008 shootout. GM is the best. GM prove it again by winning this's summer shootout.

2011 GM heavy duty trucks own Ford. Why? Because GM has the most hp, most torque, most hauling, most towing, strongest frame, most luxury with Denali and heated steering wheel, best fuel economy, most technology with Onstar, and they paid back all of their lines ahead of schedule and in full. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

I am really surprised to see people still talking about the bailouts and Goverment Motors when GM has paid back their loans in full and ahead of schedule.

GM rides cost cuts, new model sales to 1Q profit

By TOM KRISHER and DEE-ANN DURBIN (AP) – 13 hours ago

DETROIT — General Motors Co. rode expense cuts from its bankruptcy and strong sales of redesigned models to its first quarterly net income in nearly three years, drawing the company closer to a stock offering that would repay at least part of its government aid.

The Detroit automaker said it made money because debt and other expenses were slashed by its stay in bankruptcy court last year, and because of strong new-model sales. It also generated higher revenue from growth in Asia and South America.

GM reported net income of $865 million, or $1.66 per share, in the first quarter. That compared with a loss of $6 billion loss, or $9.78 per share, a year earlier, as it skidded into bankruptcy protection. First-quarter revenue soared 40 percent to $31.5 billion.

New models such as the Chevrolet Equinox small sport utility vehicle and the Buick LaCrosse luxury sedan lifted GM's North American operations to a $1.2 billion profit, compared with a $3.4 billion loss in the year-earlier quarter. North America had been a continual drain on GM's profits before its bankruptcy filing last year.

Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said it may be difficult to sustain the same level of profit for the remainder of the year because first-quarter production is usually higher than other quarters, with automakers ramping up for the spring selling season.

"I'd still be reasonably cautious about the rest of the year," he said.

CEO Ed Whitacre has predicted a full-year profit as U.S. auto sales continue their slow recovery. That could lead to a public sale of GM's stock and full repayment of the $50 billion in U.S. government aid that stopped GM from going under last year. The U.S. government now owns 61 percent of the company.

The automaker has repaid a total of $6.7 million to the government. The Obama administration hopes to get back the remaining $43 billion by selling its stake.

For taxpayers to break even by selling the government's remaining investment, the total dollar value of GM's outstanding shares, or market capitalization, would have to reach about $70 billion after an IPO. That's nearly double the size of Ford Motor Co.'s current market cap.

GM has said that it hopes to make an initial public offering, or IPO, late this year.

GM has lost more than $86 billion since 2005, even though it had a few profitable quarters along the way. Before heading into bankruptcy protection it had almost $53 billion in debt, but it ended last quarter at $14 billion. GM paid $5.8 billion to the U.S. and Canadian governments in April, reducing its debt further to $8.4 billion.

GM, once a symbol of U.S. industrial might, would have disappeared late in 2008 or early last year without help from the government. The company cut 10,000 workers last quarter and now employs 205,000 people across the globe, including 77,000 in the U.S.

The company has cut worldwide employment by nearly half in the past decade.

In bankruptcy court, GM was split into two companies, the old one carrying unprofitable assets and much of its debt, while the new one moved forward with a much stronger balance sheet. Based on the trading price of Old GM's bonds, the U.S. government could get back $40 billion, former Obama administration auto czar Steven Rattner said last week.

GM lost $3.4 billion in the fourth quarter of 2009 on revenues of $32.3 billion, the company's first full quarter out of bankruptcy protection. The last time the largest U.S. automaker made a quarterly profit was the second quarter of 2007, when it earned $891 million.

On Monday, GM said it paid $203 million in dividends to its preferred stockholders, the U.S. and Canadian governments and a United Auto Workers union retiree health care trust.

The company reported $35.7 billion in cash at the end of the quarter, including a final installment in April of $6.6 billion in aid from the U.S. government. That money had been held in a GM escrow account that required Treasury Department approval to release and is included in the $50 billion aid total.

Lou
"End of life motor" ??
Duramax has 60% new parts for 2011 and definately more guts then powerjoke.

wow GM thats the best they can do hmmm. they only out do the super duty buy 135 hualing and 1000 towing. Trust me Ford is going to come back at them hard there power is going get bigger so there towing is going to get greater Goverment motors is just putting there foot in there mouth

From another PickupTrucks article:
"According to our sources, Ford isn't about to settle for second place.

The 6.7-liter PSD is a clean-sheet design with lots of headroom for higher power settings, while the 6.6-liter Duramax is based on a legacy architecture that's right at the limit of its performance envelope."

Don't you need a CDL for a GCW(R) >26,000#? I don't have one, but I thought that was the rule. I can't remember if it's for the operating weight or just the rating either.

Here's how the rest of the posts will go to save the readers some time:

-Ford is a Joke
-GM is Obama Motors
-Guy cites knowledge we all already know
-Other guy posts useless, unintelligble post
-Other guy says that guy is wrong
-No more Jap trucks!
-Everyone proves they are useless

And very few realize how lucky we are to have all three which I think are all amazing. The GM SHOULD have a tougher chassis because it's an all-new fully boxed frame. I just don't trust GM's last minute spec sheet change. it just sounds like Ford went out more to really see what the product could handle. Either way, I don't tow those kinds of weights and I would be happy behind the wheel of any of them.

I say let GM have the title and sales will show if it is true or not.

Personally I like the looks of the ford and the heaver/beefier suspension.

These new diesels put out incredible power, but I still think that the truck makers are missing a big opportunity with the small diesels. I think that there a re a lot of consumers who want a heavy duty truck but don't need crazy power. If they put one of the small diesels in a 3/4 ton truck, with comparable gas power numbers but fuel economy numbers that are better than the big diesels, they'd sell like hotcakes. Stick them in the full size commercial vans too. Not everyone measures their johnson by the output numbers of their truck.

RE: Big Bob's comment - "Except for the front suspension, the Super Duty is still basically the 1999 design", I think you're referring to the cab design. Yes it appears that the cab from the windshield back is identical to the 1999 design. Also, the 2008-10 tailgates will fit on 1999-2007 models. However, the interior of the truck was changed in 2008, and further changed for the new 2011 model. While the exterior hasn't been completely changed, the overall truck is now much different than in 1999.

Once pickuptrucks does their HD shootout, the proof of who makes the best pickup will be set in stone. Fords a great truck, Chevys a great truck, Dodge is a great truck. The numbers these companies release mean nothing. This is just a game of who can write the bigger number on paper.

Wonder if Ford will up the HP & TQ for next year?

Thought Ford reclaimed the max HP/Tq after GM's 2011 Duramax #'s were finally released.

@bobby1971
You have got your facts wrong. GM, Ford or Dodge building the best heavy duty truck is purely ones own opinion. I frankly think Gm sucks! I had two Chevy's and both were pieces of s%^$. Now that's just my opinion, not fact. Look at the Ford and Gm truck sales for YTD April 2010. Ford out sold GM and that is including GMC and Chevrolet (and the fact that Ford sold 10,000 more Rangers than Chevy did Colorados is hilarious, the GMC Caynon didnt even make the top 10) . Gm guys can't argue that GM out sells Ford when you combine the two and not when you separate the two. That too is up for interpretation depending on who you ask. I guess we will see if Ford can continue that trend in the future. Where do you get best fuel economy numbers when they have not even released this new motor for real world driving? Where do you get the "most technology with OnStar" when Ford has Sync. I have had Onstar and my wifes Flex has Sync and the Sync system is far beyond OnStar. Sure they each have things the other does not do but the Sync system is far more technologically advanced. How is the Denali any more luxurious than a King Ranch. Im not saying the Denali is not going to be nice but saying one is more luxurious than the other comes down to pure preference (I personally am not going to make a $65,000+ decision on the fact that one has a heated steering wheel and the other doesn't). Lastly saying they payed off there loans in full and ahead of schedule is purely misleading. They took money from another form of TARP money to pay off this "bail-out" loan, all the news stations have said this including (I'm sure to be your favorite) Fox News. How is that paying off their debt. The Government still owns 60% of their stock. Something just doesn't add up! So you keep on smokin what ever is in YOUR pipe, cause its not tobacco!

@ Ken I beleive that its still at 390/ 735, while GM is at 397/ 765. I could be wrong though.
Ford and GM are goin nuts right now who tows 16,000 and 17,000 off the hich everyday. Well maybe some construction guys. Both truck are amazing if the GM would just get a SFA it would be a real winner in my opinion. Im a Ford fan but I like all 3 of the currnet HD trucks on the market.

When will the new GM HDs be on the market? I know Ford and Dodge are already out there.

I also must say that the King Ranch package will still be the leader when it comes to fancy the Dennali is nice but can't beat the King Ranch. All of this is just my opinion before the GM "we paid our loans back" fan boys attack me.

Enough about Ford the "fleet queen". GM is now the leader in the heavy duty market and the're trucks are WAY better looking than the hideous new super doodie. Even the Tundra looks better than the new super doodie.

The GM trucks look alot like the 2005-2007 Ford Super Dutys to me.

@bobby1971
GM paid its loan back in full ahead of schedule? Are you truly that misguided. Here is how they did this: GM paid off its loan by using money in escrow to pay off a small portion of its government loan. For the full story to prove you and all of your gm fan girls wrong, visit this link.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/23/general-motors-economy-bailout-opinions-columnists-shikha-dalmia.html
The sweet taste of Ford greatness. GO FORD!

OK, this is utterly ridiculous. Is there any thread on this site that doesn't degenerate into name-calling between people who prefer to buy GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, whatever? Fact is, I've driven all of the above as well as a few others. I've gotten all of them past 200K miles (except the Toyota, which is currently at 136K and still going strong with only preventative maintenance). Everyone is making good product these days. Honestly, would you get in a screaming match with your neighbor over whether you should buy groceries at the Stop and Shop or the Giant Eagle? Half of the components come from the same suppliers anyways...

Let me summarize:
-Ford, Dodge, and GM all build trucks with virtually identical specs, that make similar power to a triaxle dump truck with an 80K GVW, and that are more capable, drivable, comfortable, and will all last 100's of thousands of miles longer than their predecessors a few yrs ago. The differences are primarily styling at this point, and arguing over what is "prettier" is reserved for 17yr old girls.
-The guys walking around with [insert brand here] tattooed on their arm are not helping themselves at all. No company will improve its product unless it thinks that people will consider buying the competition.
-The bias against foreign trucks is probably ridiculous at this point. I personally like to support the US economy, but all of the major "imports" are actually built here, using US-sourced parts, by US workers, in US plants. Any profit going overseas is minimal compared to the economic stimulus provided by keeping that infrastructure here. Plus, it's not exactly a secret that the US makers are building in and sourcing parts from overseas/Mexico.
-Realistically, the best thing we could all do for ourselves is to stop harping over 3 or 4 hp or 10 lb-ft of torque there, and start demanding economy, reliability, and downsizing. Everything out there can do any job you could think up for it (within legal GVW limits). If it can't do the job, you bought the wrong truck - consider shopping at Mack, Peterbilt, International, etc next time. At this point, all of us stand to benefit most from lower initial cost, lower fuel costs (big $ over 200K miles), and better reliability (less maintenance costs and downtime). Downsizing is just a personal preference. I'm more concerned with what the truck can do than with what it looks like it can do. Our fullsize trucks were a lot smaller 20 yrs ago, and I have yet to figure out what all the extra sheet metal is doing for me. Definitely not making it fit better in tight spots offroad or making it easier to load stuff into the bed.

Enough said. I'm sure this will somehow worsen the name-calling rather than improve it. Just try to remember that we all use roughly the same vehicle to do roughly the same jobs. We all benefit when the market segment improves, and we all lose when we push it in directions that don't help us (higher cost, for example).

Whaaaaaaaaaa! I can already hear the fard girls crying and screaming about their junk trucks. fard stock is dropping on Wall Street out of fear from GM's world class trucks. Face it girls, every auto and truck mag, blog, and tv show always picks the Chevy truck as the best. You girls need to get over your inferiority complex, accept it, fards are inferior, it's a fact. Falsely claiming the "best selling truck' only work with fard girls, counting semi trucks as a f150 doesn't work and f450 is not a pick up truck its commecial truck.

"Enough about Ford the "fleet queen". GM is now the leader in the heavy duty market and the're trucks are WAY better looking than the hideous new super doodie. Even the Tundra looks better than the new super doodie". - Quagmire

I thought I told you to see a doctor. You are seriously flawed. Wake up Buddy, FORD is the leader.

GM can keep pouring that magic spring dust, but I know for a fact that they will never outsell the Ford F-Series no matter how big those number are on papers. GM likes to bamboozle the consumer. Pretty sad.

@Dave ....Ford counts on uneducated hillbilly's just like you to support them, We at Ford rely on misleading our customers into thinking we are as good at truck building as GM is. Now that GM has repaid their government loans we at Ford are jealous because GM was as smart as all the airlines to unload all their debt. We at Ford are much like our truck buyers, stupid, we did not take the bankruptcy route and instead picked up $26 billion dollars in loan debt to pay off future debt so we are now indebt up to our ying yang and GM is totally debt free. While Ford stock are worth $11 the GM IPO is going to be around $100 per share. BTW Dave, thanks for lying about owning GM trucks, we at Ford know you are too stupid to buy something good.

Until GM takes the number one place from the Ford SuperDuty which won't happen any time soon there trucks will continue to lag behind Ford. And for all the Ford haters please stop because Ford kicks GM left to right in trucks. Oh and Ford is the only one with a in house Diesel.

@ Lou Yeah I'm also excited for Dodge, their Heavy Duty line is great. I love how their Diesel sounds, but not to much of a fan of their 1500. Long live American and it's glory.

Seeing @harvey...Don't you need a CDL for a GCW(R) >26,000#? I don't have one, but I thought that was the rule. I can't remember if it's for the operating weight or just the rating either.

Harvey...that is a GREAT question! Hope someone here is able to answer...because I am interested in that too.

Anybody???


biz

I noticed the Ram can only tow a max of 12000 conventionally with a regular cab. Put a crewcab on there and it will drop significantly. Some inexperienced people say the Ram is the best HD, but the numbers don't show it.

@Nave, King Ranch compared to a Denali? King Ranch does not compare well to a Dodge LT. When Dog the Bounty Hunter started his business he used Ford products. When Dog got his TV show and became successful he dumped Ford and as he has said on his show Denali or Cadillac are the best rides and he won't ever go back to Fords. King Ranch is fine for a lower class person but people with $$ buy Denali's

I'm not a GM guy but I have to give them alot of credit for these numbers. Even with this upgrade is doesn't make them the best. Dodge Ford and GM trucks can all haul mountains, but what it all comes down to what brand you prefer.

I bugs the hell outa me when I read that GM or Ford or Dodge is the best, hands down. They are all amazing trucks.

Don't you realize that your little rant about who is best is not going to change what others think? I believe that almost everyone hear already has their mind set.

@Ernie
First off, I never said I owned GM trucks. Second, I am far from an uneducated hillbilly. Last time I checked, I am a junior in college with a 3.95 GPA majoring in Actuarial Science. Do you even know what that is? I didn't think so. Also, my dad and uncle are mechanics, so I know what I'm talking about. If anyone is the hillbilly, it's you. GM trucks will never be superior to Ford or Dodge because of the IFS. Ford outsells Chevy and GMC combined. Ford didn't need bailout money because Ford planned ahead, unlike GM and Chrysler. How do I know, because I did a 15 page research paper on the automotive bailout. Ford trucks are superior, look out your mom's basement window and you'll see what I mean. Next time, make sure you even sound remotely educated before you speak to an educated person. Also, the Denali cannot even come close to competing with the luxury of the King Ranch.

Amen.

Bob,
Amen.

With all the name calling crying, I am getting tired of hearing, you would think that people actually believed all the hype. Why don't you get over it and grow up. You people (if the shoe fits wear it, if it doesn't then ignore please.) need to grow up. They are all great trucks. quit confusing your likes with reality. Don't insult people because they like ford, dodge, or gm. They all have strengths and weakness. Spend your money as you see fit. @ Mike L. Is there anyway that you can block some of these people that insult/ degrade others just because they can't unwind there opinions?

@bobby1971 - why don't you post the whole story or post the link?
Here are some exerpts from the same 2 authors:

Some experts were skeptical.
James Schrager, professor at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business, said GM has a history of making boastful claims, only to disappoint.
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A recent television ad in which CEO Ed Whitacre declared that the company had repaid its government loans in full, with interest, was misleading, he said.
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Chris Liddell, GM's chief financial officer who was hired recently from Microsoft Corp., would not say Monday when an initial public offering might take place, but he was cautiously optimistic that GM would have a profitable year.

And even Liddell conceded there are still obstacles to the sale,
such as losses in Europe,
a possible slowdown in U.S. sales,
and reduced growth in China, which was GM's biggest market in the quarter in terms of cars and trucks sold.


GM's U.S. rivals also have shown improvement.
Chrysler Group LLC, which also went into bankruptcy protection last year before being taken over by Fiat Group SpA, lost $197 million in the first quarter. That's far better than the $3.8 billion it lost between June 10, when it emerged from bankruptcy protection, and Dec. 31.

Ford Motor Co. earned $2.1 billion in the first quarter, its fourth straight positive result.
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But others are not so confident in GM. Schrager thinks the market will view GM as worth less than Ford because Ford is ahead in management reform and has more and better new vehicles coming in the next year.
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@Mason - all the experts, including GM engineers say the Duramax is nearing the end of it's life cycle. My comment was not meant to offend. You should note that I said that the Ford SD chassis was probably nearing the end of it's life cycle as well.

@ Brian - I agree fully with your post.

@Zach J - I agree with you as well. Nice try. No one listens. HaHa.

The internet is the most powerful tool for information in the history of mankind. It has the ability to transmit an immeasurable amount of ideas, and connect people around the globe in a way unimaginable 25 years ago. And what do we use it for? Yelling at each other about which pickup truck is best. I love it!

@Luke - right you are

@mike do you know any mpgs on these new GM's since that is just as important these days. Im pretty sure if the dodge and ford are getting 18 and the gms are only getting 15 thats more important than 100 pounds of payload.

@ bob Test out that best warranty once, my uncles Acadias motor went out at 37000 miles ant they came just short of court to get them to pay replacde it, and as far as onstar goes try using it in a remote area and see how good it works

GM's powertrain warranty is 5 years or 100,000 miles. fords is 5/60,000 and that is 40,000 miles less!

I don't care what GM would come out with these ford men would try and tare it down. They can't handle the truth so like Obama, they lie, lie, lie, lie, lie and distort the truth.

GM is superior to ford and that is the TRUTH!

So let it be written, so let it be done!



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