Toyota Announces Pricing for 2012 Tundra

Toyota Announces Pricing for 2012 Tundra
2011 Toyota Tundra Shown

Toyota is changing features and marginally increasing prices for 2012 Tundra light-duty pickups.

All 2012 Tundra half-tons will include a black upper instrument panel and black carpet, regardless of exterior and interior colors. Styled steel wheels will be standard across all models. Other standard features will include a Cold Area Package -- which included a heavy-duty battery and starter and windshield wiper de-icer with timer in 2011 -- daytime running lights and heated mirrors. A backup camera will be standard on Limited grades and Super White will be available as a paint choice for the Limited.

The MSRP for the 2012 Tundra ranges from $27,115 for the 4x2 Tundra Grade Double Cab V6 with a five-speed automatic transmission to $43,345 for the 4x4 CrewMax Limited with a 5.7-liter V8 and 6-speed automatic, reflecting an increase of $348, or 1.1 percent. Prices for the 2012 Tundra will go into effect beginning with start of production in Texas on September 1.

If you're wondering about the two-door Regular Cab Tundra, pricing for that model hasn't been released yet.

"We will announce Regular Cab pricing closer to its start of production, which is around the beginning of December," says Toyota spokesman Sam Butto.

[Source: Toyota]

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I am very happy with my 2011 DC SR5 5.7. Sure beats the hell out of my previous F150 and Silverado. Glad I bought it this year. Ron is right. The Tundra changed truckdom back in 2007 and everybody else had to follow suit. I know guys who own the original 2007 Tundra and they are still as happy today as the day they bought it. Tundra costs more than F150 and Silverado, but it is worth it, if you can afford it. It's a bargain at any price. Just that 5.7 engine alone is light years ahead of anything from Detroit.

Why are there so many comments of the Tundra's gargantuan HD brakes - 13.9" front, 13.6" rear. The F150 has 13.8" front and 13.7" rear...seems pretty close to me. And that magical ELECTRONIC BRAKEFORCE DISTRIBUTION on the Tundra that someone said Ford didn't even offer...standard on the F150. And just like the Tundra, the F150 has 4 channel ABS too.

"Just that 5.7 engine alone is light years ahead of anything from Detroit." -highdesertcat

Only from a technology (complicated components) standpoint. The Ram 5.7L HEMI Magnum; with 1/4 the camshafts and half the valves (compared to the 5.7L i-force), edges out the Toyota 5.7L.

Tundra wheel bearings same size as the super duty http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-29091.html and notice how HD keeps coming up. 2007+ tundra a 3/4 ton in a 1/2 ton body. This truck has got oversized everything . As for fords braking system I cant vouch for that haven never driven, towed or hauled and I am not going to bash but I do know that stopping 10,000lbs with out a trailor brake aint no picnic either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflcRIKuXzI&feature=related, and most tundra owners do reccomend a trailer brake for really heavy loads and almost all love prodigy.
This is the info a "salesman" gave me take how you want but Im sure their is info he left out like the parts where ford did better but here it is:
Reliability:
A reliable vehicle saves its owner time, money and trouble. Nobody wants to be stranded or have to be without
their vehicle while it's being repaired- (Consumer Report predicts that the Toyota Tundra 2WD V6's reliability
will be 30% better than the F- 1 50 with the best reliability rating.
J.D Power and Associates' surveys of the owners of three-year-old cars provide the long-term dependability
statistics that show that Toyota vehicles are more reliable than Ford vehicles. J D Power ranks Toyota 6th in
reliability, above the industry average. With 13 more problems per 100 vehicles, Ford is ranked 8th.
Brakes and Stopping:
In an emergency stopping situation, many drivers don't press the brakes with enough force to stop the vehicle in
the shortest distance. The Tundra has a standard brake assist system to detect emergency braking situations (by
how hard and how quickly the brake pedal is pressed) and then automatically apply maximum braking
immediately in order to help prevent a collision. The F-150 doesn't offer a brake assist feature.
The Tundra stops much shorter than the F-150:
70 to OMPH Tundra 197 feet F-150 214 feet Car and Driver
60 to OMPH Tundra 130 feet F-150 146 feet Motor Trend
Economic Advantages:
Insurance will cost less for the Tundra owner. The Car Book by Jack Gillis rates the Tundra with a number "5"
insurance rate while the F-150 is rated higher at a number "8" rate.
According to The Car Hook by Jack Gillis, the Tundra is iess expensive to operate than the F-150 because typical
repairs cost less on the Tundra than the F-150, including $40 less for front brake pads and $192 less for a timing
belt/chain.

I owned a 2006 F150 XLT and also a 1988 Silverado 350, and my 2011 Tundra does every that those trucks could do and the Tundra does it better, smoother and with more power to spare. I own an 8X12 Haulmark that I hauled with both the Silverado and the F150, and the Tundra is just so much better hauling and riding under load. That 5.7 engine is the same size as the Silverado 350 and a lot more huskier than the F150's sorry mill. My neighbor had TWO RAM trucks of different years with their much vaunted hemi engine. He traded BOTH of them for a 2010 Tundra Limited, last year. 'nuf said.

5.3lol; have you read you owners manual? cause it says if you trailer is over 2,000lbs it has to have it's own brakes, abd in not and theere is an accident %^$%*&*(Jerry is that you Jerry)... I miss you Jessica, Is you car up a pole again?.... are you crying Jerry? I bit my tounge Jessica,, I mis you Jessica.........Always cover you _ss, if you give them any reason, they will REJECT THE CLAIM! *&%^(*

I could have swore I reccomended a trailor brake for heavy loads which is why I thought I mentioned prodigy and how well it worked with this trucks great brakes trying to explain that you cant relate the tundra to your truck when you mention the lack of an ITBC and I showed you how much tundra owners like our setup of oversized disk brakes, Toyota's Electronic Brake-Force Distribution, Toyota Brake Assist, Toyota trailor brake controller prewire and the before mentioned prodigy brake controller but people who have never driven this setup no better and can give a more knowledgeable, honest and fair opion than tundra owners who have used it and liked it so it must be a failure http://www.mrtrailer.com/07tundra.htm article from when the truck debuted. As for the frame I only brought that up because someone before me tried to relate the 1st gen tundra to the 2nd gen which tells me you know jack about how the 2nd gen tundra was designed and what toyota was thinking and why they said chaing it all (which it didnt the HD size parts on a 1/2 ton didnt take off like they wanted). Ford guys arent the only ones who didnt like 2nd gen tundra massive HD size everything as some 1st gen owners dont either http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/1gen-tundra/217568-i-dont-care-2nd-gen-tundras/ main complaint from 1st gen is 2nd gen is too big. Just trying to be fair and for the record I like what toyota did with the 2nd gen but that doesnt mean its the best pickup or the right way to go as I dont think Mike Levine is a fan of how the 2nd gen was engineered.

Jack? who is Jack? I belive the current tudra is the 2nd gen.? the t-100 dosn't count? and just because the outer dimention of the rotor is bigger dosn't mean thay have more (sweep area), and that is because they had o make the spindle so big because of poor metalurgy, poor specs. whatever, the rotors have less sweep area than the F-150! and others too . Also, for the reason you can't fathom the superior aplication, design, eeze of use, with the factory instaled trailer brake control? It is a better idea, get over it, and I would be willing to bet that toyota will come to its senceses, ok? I for one would not buy a truck just for that reason, why would you risk a $75,000 travel trailer over a $230.00 option? seams like a no brainer to me. Please be safe out there, everyone, not everyone is in compleat original control!!!

@ sandman4x4

maybe you should get a tape measure and a caliper tool to measure the 2. I know for a FACT that the Tundra's swept area of the front AND rear rotor is larger than the f150. the REAL story on the brakes is the f150 uses a 2 piston floating caliper with plastic pistons called phenalic resin. the Tundra uses a 4 piston FIXED position caliper with stainless steel pistons. sorry bud that is INCREDIBLY different than your f150.

It has the biggest brakes but has a longer stopping distance than the GM twins. It's bigger but doesn't tow better, haul better or drive better than anything from the D3 and the 5.7 is NOT better than the top motor from any D3 company in terms if power and towing capabilities. The C channel frame is a joke. stretching and bending under load isn't a safe way to travel, any kind of rough pavement or rugged trail will create long term problems and an immediate uncontrolled feeling.

@sandman4X4
I agree with you an ITBC would be better than just a trailor brake controller but when you write up a review you have give a KNOWLEDGEABLE (the approach toyota took to braking with a trailor, without a trailor and hauling on 2007+ tundra using oversized disk brakes, Toyota's Electronic Brake-Force Distribution, Toyota Brake Assist, Toyota trailor brake controller prewire for anftermaket brake controller as oppsed to how the rest of the market), EXPERINCED (having towed with the tundra w/o brake controller and with a aftermaket brake controller keep in mind the lack of an ITBC maybe a bigger problem on some pickups than others due to how it was designed and the only way you could know is if you tested it) then give your opion but keep in mind that ITBC isnt going to help with payload. But just saying its a big Failure on toyota for not and not explaining or never had tested to me isnt right or fair and sense im fair I will not comment on how well other truck that use an ITBC brake with their load as I didnt research how their truck was designed and never tested it or atleast talked to owners who have used it. The info I gave was from a salesman I talked to a while back and he gave me that info to explain the differce between F150 and Tundra but he didnt give me any info on Titan, Ram or GM trucks and I even said he probably left off the part where ford was better and I said take it how you want to because it was from a salesman.

@G-Street
While I disagre with you about how the tundra tows, hauls and its frame (which only has 1 weakness which is that the market has spoken and a box frame for a better ride is more important). This is the problem the tundra has domestic owners or lovers who have never used a tundra or researched (because it works differently than yours due to its design) tell others how well it works and will come with a magical story of their "friend, coworker or family member" that it disgraced. Imagine if the tundras was the one with coil springs even if no has reported any problems it would be a POS and we would here magical stories. As for the 5.7L not being the biggest most powerful engine in a 1/2 ton well that article was about the my07 tundra the 5.7L hemi was as big but not as powerful until my09 and the GM 6.2 was my 09 and the Ford ecoboost and 6.2L my11 so at the time it was the biggest most powerful 1/2 ton to go with the whole HD thing. I would guess toyota will go more 1/2 ton like on the next gen tundra less weight (size), better fuel economy, a better ride and a more powerful 5.7L using direct injevtion and VVEL(valvematic) which a conservative estimate by me would probably be 30hp and 30lb ft to the already 381hp and 401lb ft.

You se 5.3lol, I do have factory instald trailer brake thig a magig right down by my knee, all I have to do is hook up to my trailer, and drive away with the knowlage that if some bone head pulls out in front of me, or gets in my wayand I have to hammer the brakes, I will stop without drama, safe an sound, even when my wife is driving I feel confident that she is in control (with the systems help,of course). Hemi lol, I have talked to one of the engineers at bendix brakes systems, that is where I have recieved the info., and I do have faith he is knowlageable about this, you see the sweep area has more to do with than the overall diam, of the rotor, you take that demention and also from the demention of the outside of the bearing case, there you have the area that the brake pad is in contact with the rotor, and that area is greater than on the toyota. Sure the toy has huge rotors, but that doesn't have anything to do with sweep area. Why don't you take any EB for a ride? I have driven all 1/2t trucks at one time or another, and pulled with eveyone of them but the nissan, IMO to ugly to be seen it, but they do run nice (a friend says so), I do belive you would at least see what all the brewhaha is about, you just need an open mind. Have you ever seen the youtube segment where they run the 1/2 trucks over the opposed speed bumps at 45mph? and see just how the (tripple tech) or whatever they call it in the toyota, and see the bed bounce so very violently all around and the view of the rear bumper sea horsing?, while the Ford looks very solid, and the Chevy's not bad (just the gas filler door flying open an closed), even the Ram with coil spr. seams not to behave all that bad, but the toyota is laughable? then they have the sttic frame only sag test, where the frame twisted 3 times as much as the Ford, I bet it would be the same for Chevy and Dodge too with there boxed frames. Maybee, no I bet they get it right on the tundra 3.0, in 2014?

@ sandman4x4

the engineers spent millions upon millions researching & developing that frame that cost 40% more than Ford's frame on the f150. i'll give you a couple numbers, for the year 2010 GM allotted 343,000,000 just to do research and development. Toyota spends almost 15 TIMES that amount. A truck is made to work, therefore its design was to have a load in the bed, if they would run the washboard test with a load on those trucks the results would be shockingly different. you apparently havent read any statements that ive typed about frames and strength. simply put rigidity doesnt equal durability, a truck's frame is made to deflect which is why there's a space between the cab and bed. case in point if you build it too rigid and you "overload" the frame on a box structure it will bend, where the Tundra frame will deflect and then return to its original shape when unloaded.

FYI i have driven the EB, i've driven every truck engine made in just about every combo possible. you are STILL wrong about the swept area of the front rotors. PLUS, the tundra has a FAR superior amount of clamping force so even if the swept area of the f150 was as large the braking force would still be much greater on the tundra do to clamping force.

TRY THIS if you dont believe me or understand exactly what i mean. have a buddy take a piece of paper and hold it in front of you, you take your index finger and thumb and squeeze the paper pretty firmly and then have them pull it out of your fingers. NOW, try this again using the same force BUT use your index and thumb from BOTH hands (4 contact points) on the paper and have them pull the paper out......... its MUCH MUCH harder isnt it?? point proven?? also consider that when you have a 4 piston caliper with 2 pistons pushing opposite directions your braking is ALWAYS consistent. floating calipers are never perfectly consistent. I'll give you one last thing to think about...... do you know what a lever is?? ok i'm sure you do so this is a simple test, it will take you much more force to tighten or loosten a bolt with a short box end wrench than it would with a longer wrench correct??? of course it does, same thing applies to the brakes, the FARTHER away the clamping area is the more "leverage" it has to stop the spinning wheel its as simple as that. unfortunately there is ZERO argument about the fact that the brakes on the Tundra are superior to every half ton on the market and as a matter of fact the front is built heavier than even the 1tons on the market. the new GM HD has a 14" rotor but still only uses a 2piston floating caliper..........

Oh, and my little lady has pulled 8,000lbs with my truck, with a PROPERLY set up brake controller. integrated controllers dont match up to all applications, therefore thats not a perfect science to say "one size fits all". FYI Toyota's Trailer Sway Control works extremely well, but whats even BETTER is the suspension creates a trapazoid in the rear so that the truck doesnt sway to start with! thats where some of the "choppiness" you speak of comes from in the ride. you can build it to be ultra comfy or build it to work, the Tundra is built to work period.

@ Gstreet

its obvious to me that you never even thought through your statements before you made them. nowhere in your presentation was anything even close to a coherent statement and we are all now dumber for having to read that nonsense.. i award you zero points and may god have mercy on your soul.

PS not one statement was even close to true. matter of fact EVERYTHING you typed was COMPLETELY untrue. you probably shouldnt even respond.

Heh Proffesor LOLhemi:: who do you think you are debating here a child? you can talk all you want about the way toy designed the tundra, it was not to build the strongest toughest truck, it was to build it with the least materials, and the cheapist way possible ,and I think they did that alright, they wouldn't need a trapiziod design if they used fully boxed frame, (and I bet they do in the next one). And there is a point of return in how many pistons you have in a rotor, yes the more pistons you have the more force you have, but the more heat you create, therefore they need a bigger rotor! when you say something about intergrated controlers not being compatable to all applications, that is why Ford, along with toy, and only GM, has the same algorythums, toyota is not the only one, stop sounding like a toyota salesman your starting to sound like Oxi almost, if I wanted to brag about towing amounts we all know who that is in the 1/2t world, it is Ford, the exact truck spec 4 spec as mine, if I had gone with the HD package I could haul 2,990lbs! thats a half ton more than any toy! and the brakes would have been bigger too, they put bigger springs in and one more cross member, let see that would even be I believe 3 more than toy and they are welded on the inside of the frame AND the outside of the frame, something you can't do with a C channel frame, and does toyota even weld their frames?

@sandman4X4
I respect your opinion but I disagree you to me you can tell that after the 1st gen frame rust, bent frames, broken frames, broken leaf springs and under powered 4.7L which gave the tundra a bad rep the most logical thing for toyota to due would be build thebiggest, roughest and toughest 1/2 ton that nobody can bend or break and is by no means under powered for the 2nd gen to increase the trucks rep and thats why they put a lot of 2007 HD truck like features in like largest disk brakes, C-channel frame made to flex (like bridges and skyscrapers and mil vehicles and your super duty but not as strong for wieght reasons in a 1/2 ton) when under heavy stress the c-channel will flex but wont bend or break and when not it will go back to regular also they used HD size wheel bearings, largest hitch, 6speed auto which was only found on HD trucks back then, largest and most powerful engine in a 1/2 ton at the time and a HD truck axle ratio which will help the 5.7L iforce and commercials aimed to show you how big, rough and tough this truck is compared to the 1st gen (bad rep) and other 1/2 tons. The 2 problems I can tell with the approach toyota took are 1. a lot of truckers are anti toyota 2. The 1/2 ton market went more 1/2 like 1/2 tons (better fuel efficiency see ford new lineup and better ride see Ram coil springs) than toyota HD inspired 1/2 ton. I love the the 2nd gen tundra but I suspect for more market share toyota will go more 1/2 like with the 3rd gen, For the record none of the problems toyota had with the bad rep 1st gen affect the HD inspired 2nd gen so toyota did what they wanted is just didnt payoff like they wanted.

Last evidence http://www.youtube.com/toyotaUSA/?x=1tundra in this video toyota says used like a 3/4 ton and you toyota bashers know if you worked at toyota and was part of designing the 2nd gen tundra you would try and design the roughest 1/2 ton after the problems and bad rep I mentioned earlier on the 1st gen tundra. The 3rd gen will be different because toyota proved with the 2nd gen they can build a rough and tough 1/2 ton like the big 3 and they want more market share so it will be more 1/2 ton inspired than 3/4 ton.

Best part of that video is tundra used like a 3/4 ton (no ITBC) and its larger than F150 brakes held up and didnt have to be replaced. Dont relate my 3/4 ton inspired 1/2 ton to your regular 1/2 ton our trucks arent the same.

That's what they mean by "love is blind!" (see above) :)

@Alex
Thats a good one I like that.

Buy a Ford and "... keep the $$ in this country" ???? Seriously dude, are you that uneducated or naive that you honestly think that $$ you spent on a Ford will really help the US economy? The Tundra is built exclusively in the US just like the Ford... helping support US workers and local businesses.

Am I blind? just one word for you about that link, Hollywood, even the jacket and pants on the actors look like they just came out of the store brand new, never worn before and never worn again, maybee given to a camraman. Listen to what they say about the rotors,(thay have the biggest diameter, Not the biggest sweep area, they coudn't say that cause it wouldn't be true, 100,000miles huh? any toyota ariund here (on the ocean) doesn't last the fishermen more than 5-6 yrs. because they are all rotted out from loading wet fish and equipment from the salty ocean, you only see Chevy's Fords and old Dodges, the truck in the film is only what 1yr old? and if that truck did so well, how come toyote only has a what 60,000mile powertrain warranty? GM and Dodge is 100,000miles, why? because they have more faith in there product, hell one of my friends has a Dodge that has a LIFE-TIME warranty! on his Hemi drivetrain! and he is one of the above mentioned comercial fisherman, mostly shell fish, very heavy and wet! You know that sooner or latter all pickups will have boxed frames, because they are superior to c Chan. frames, the boxed frames also flex, just not like a wet noddle look at the youtube titled F-150 vs. Tundra then you will understand, just have to open up your mind. As far as what is an American truck? I don't care where the truck is made Mexico, Cannada Korea, even Japan, if it has Ford, GMC, Chevrolet, it is American, (Dodge is kinda in a gray area now). The American co. pay a greater tax rate too, and more in labor, health care, retirement benifits, heck they can't even realy even let some people go, ever hear of the work banks? toyota is only building here for a couple of reasons, 1) Labor is cheaper here than in Japan! 2) Tax incentives 3) Public relations (expecialy in Texans truck co.), 4) deffinatly NOT out of the goodness of there heart. They are just taking advantage of a bad reputation from former long ago, and dead Detroit ways of doing things. The only good thing toyota has done is wake up the American Auto Industry. Thank You Toyota: Sandman 4X4

Just sayin: yes it will,! hell, look all around you, the proof is plain as day, we would not be in this mess if we didn't have such a large trade imbalance, we let eveyone sell there stuff over here, but will never let us sell our stuff over there, (without some heavy taxes or concesions, Harly Davidson is a good example, That is the largest selling motorcycle over 750 cc, in Japan! the Japanese people love HD, but the only reason is because all the suspentions and elecronics on made in Japan. The $$$ you spent on you import ahs left the Country, never to return, sure they employ American to build some of there vehicles, because it is cheaper too! and American are great builders to!

man I am geeting tired, good night

@ 5.3 lol Your comparison of a Toyota Tundra to a bridge or skyscraper is more than just a little flawed. The engineers and architechs who build them would love for it to be possible to build the bridge or skyscraper that won't bend. The amount of effort put in to keeping skyscrapers standing tall and have all their inner workings hold up (water pipes, electrical, stairs, elevators, etc) in spite of the bending is quite impressive.

@ hemi lol You constantly bring up how if you overload a boxed frame it will bend and at that point its garbage, I don't disagree with that. But do you know at what point that will occur? I've seen the results of loaded and unloaded Ram 3500's and even a few GM half tons hit the ditch and or get air. I've seen bent solid axles, controls arms, wheels and bearing broken off. But I've never seen one bend a frame. The amount of engergy required to bend a frame permanently is far beyond what even abuse can dish out. It takes an accident or extreme negligence (bent Raptor frame as an example). But seeing how much you like examples, I've got one for you. Take a paper clip between your thumb and fore-fingers on each hand. Flex it back and forth over and over again and again. What happens? The metal heats up, starts to get brittle then fatigue sets in and it breaks. This happens to all metals including spring steel. Now there is know doubt in my mind that Toyota built the frame properly. But c'mon man. If you could take your current truck and drop it on a fully boxed frame from Toyota that was on par with the current standards for rigidity would you honestly refuse?
As far as the brakes go, you are putting way to much emphasis on clamping force. Brakes work one way. By turning kinetic energy into heat energy through friction. Every vehicle, car or truck, on the market today has brakes with enough clamping force to lock the tires and rotors/drums robust enough prevent fade for at least one emergency stop. Therefore braking performance comes down to available grip from the tires and ABS or driver modulation to prevent wheel lock. Big rotors and multipiston setups don't always guaruntee great braking. Best example I can remember was when Car and driver tested one of the first gen Ford Escapes. It had floating calipers in the front, drums in the rear, ABS, and all season tires. It stopped nearly on par with many expensive sports cars of the time. If you increase clamping force the ABS will have to cycle off more often to prevent lock up. Are you absolutly sure that the Toyota has more clamping force? That depends on the pressure of the brake fluid and the surface area of the pistons and many other variables. Sounds like a more is better generalization to me. Kind of like the stiffer is better arguement. Your brake leverage arguement is a little odd. The further away from center you get the faster the rotor is moving due to the larger circumference. The faster it spins the more heat it will generate in all braking conditions which causes the pads and rotors to wear faster. I can appreciate the fact you don't like people making false claims about Toyota. But just because Toyota built it doesn't mean its the best.

sandman4X4, for president!!!

We (United States of America) need as many Americans as possible to circulate your dollars back into the American economy...by buying American made products from American companies. You import company supporting (loving) people, you know who you are, can help too.

Give the United States of America, a chance!

No Thanks NOT ME!!! but a nice cushy cabinet possition say minster of Import Export? now that would be an eazy thing to do! (I would make as many friends as enemys), I got to remember to keep my friens close and my enemys closer. Jordan would be my assistant and Buy America woul be my executive assistant OK? great pay not many hours lots of paid vacation, health carre for live (the best we can get the tax-payers to pay for), retire after one term> the easy life, won't it be grand!!!!!

Sounds good to me.

@Jordan L & sandman4X4
I like the current frame design Toyota used its more suited for a work pickup but for the next gen I think Toyota should keep the frame and change the suspension by going with an air suspension to clean up ride quality and help with flex http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/06/could-ram-offer-an-air-suspension-for-its-heavy-duty-pickups.html and this part of what I am going to do to mine http://www.autoanything.com/suspension-systems/20A50614A1.aspx and yes people are right Toyota should have made this standard on all Tundra's that may be a failure to me because with this kind of frame the 2 go hand in hand along with my prodigy brake controller and TRD supercharger. As for me making it seem like the greates ever "Ashamed of my Toyota ferver hardly" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fLy_ICXZY

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America! & Jordan L & sandman4X4
For the record I dont like Bud Light I drink Heineken, Aventinus and ST Bernardus abt 12.

5.3 LOL-

For the record; I like Coca-Cola, hamburgers, hot dogs, apple pie, and love the United States of America. I live for everything American!

@ sandman 4x4 I'm in :) hemi lol is a smart guy but sometimes he needs to take off the Toyota goggles.

Im going to end this thread I call last.
Buy Toyota and Say Bye To Detroit!

Yep: hotdogs, baseball, apple pie an Chevrolet!

sandman4X4-

I was thinking more along the line of Ford but I'll take Chevrolet, over Toyota, any day. Keep it clean. Keep it real. Keep it American!

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America! & sandman4X4
I tried to end this but you guy went and messed up my Final Thought just for that I hope you 2 end up with 2004 Nissan Titans. Now lets try again I call last.

"America land of the free and home of the Tundra"

darren-

So move back to Japan, then, if they do everything better than America! Support the country you live in and live in the country you support!!!

My dad and I have been looking for three days now at pick up trucks, I can find some really good deals on the tundra and silveradro. I have yet to find a really good deal on a ford f150. We even looked in states next to us and cant find any. I currently own a ford. So far the tundra is the only one that I can find the shifter not by the wheel.

Christine-

The best deal, by far, is a Ford F-150 when you consider; power, fuel economy, features, towing/hauling to price. The actual dollar amount of the vehicle does not indicate a good deal. What you get, per dollar, determines a good deal.

Good luck!

@Christine - the F150 and Tundra have comparible quality and durability ratings. If you can get a better deal on a Tundra and it has the options and features you want - go for it.
You can't go wrong with either truck.
The Silverado is okay but doesn't have the same long term durability or quality ratings as the F150 or Tundra.
Ford has the greatest choice of engines. The 5.3 would be the only engine I'd ever consider in the Chev. Both engines in the Tundra are decent. THe smaller V8 wouyld obviously be better for mpg.
When you say "shifter not by the wheel" I assume you mean you are looking for a console shifter.
That usually means a mid to higher end truck.
You didn't mention engine, cab configurations, or 4x2 versus 4x4.
Ford F150 has a better sellection of features/options than the Tundra.
The 2012 trucks should be showing up soon. That is often the time that the various manufacturer's trot out their best deals.


Tundra is a superbly built truck. I looked at the F150 and under its hood, it looked like parts are the shoved-under-the-rug type of design. I got a Tundra for my construction business and never looked back.

Those saying it looks bland must have some kind of degenerative eye disease.

toyota tundras are best by far compared to the ford and gm crap! i had 3 tundras already and before that had a ford and gmc. what junk both of them where. as for price,tundras cost more but are built way way better!

at least the tundras are made in texas. i cant say that for the goverment own trucks and the f150

2012 tundra t-force and I'll take less mpg if
It means I can pull the bumper off any
Competing v-8 and outrun it too!!

I have to laugh every time I hear/read a post or a bumper sticker bashing "foreign" vehicles, where they are built, and whether or not you're out of a job yet or not? Do some research and you will see that there are very few Toyotas, Hondas, etc still being built exclusively outside North America. I can prove it by the fact that I live in southern Ontario, Canada and with in 150kms, of my home, is where Toyota makes every Corolla, Rav 4, and some Lexus models. Also Honda has a major plant just north of me. If I recall, many Toyotas are made in Maryland or some place close to D.C., excuse my U.S. geography and Honda has a big plant in marysville, Ohio.

I seem to remember a lot of the u.s. auto manufactures moving their plants down to Mexico? Am I correct???? And where do you think the majority of US. Cars electronics come from?????

So who's supporting who here?

Just had a chance to look at the 2012 Tundra at the dealer store. There is no change from 2007 except one the PRICE. As much as I would like to get the new tundra I probably wont because it's so expensive. 4.7 V8 engine, SR5 TRD pkg extended cab not crew cab exposed bad with out bad liner was around $36,500 in Elmhurst, IL dealer ship. This is just a rip off. I looked at the Silverado 1500 Z71 next town over and it was selling for 28K same features with bigger engine 5.3L. In six years I have bought 3 Toyota's 06Tundra which turned out to be a lemon, won that case with Toyota, 08 4Runner which is a tank a great SUV and a 2010 corolla. Each time I go to Toyota the prices seems like they are sky racketing and the product is not getting any better. I really want to get the tundra , all I do is dream of getting one again but the price is turning me away from Toyota, and I might get a Silverado 1500. I hope Toyota sees this and does some thing to lower the prices because if they don't future customers will walk away. I know that Japan went through tough time but there is no way they can over price their cars like that. All Tundras are made in USA so you would figure it would be less expensive and quality and material of tundra should be worse......



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