Video: 2012 Toyota Tacoma, TRD T|X Baja Series

Here's an up-close look at the 2012 Toyota Tacoma and the just-revealed TRD T|X Baja Series desert runner.

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The sports car like seating of the Tacoma has always driven me nuts! A truck should feel like a truck when you drive it. A Tacoma doesn't feel any different than a Camry from behind the wheel

I should add that I hold that against many vehicles, even some jeeps, not just the Tacoma

Price mid 30's....

Much lower than those tanks!

So to make a fair shootout against the overpriced Raptor and Powerwagon, Toyota should get another $10,000 worth of mods...now we are talking!

But a smaller Tacoma slightly modded as with this when compared to the heavy modded tanks, the Tacoma should hold up well...

Notice how the Tacoma is level...

A true off-road vehicle has a slight nose higher than rear look to improve approach angles and keep the nose up at speed off-road and not digging or getting that kick from the rear while in the seat feel...

So this Tacoma is a step in the right direction compared to those tanks...

Only 750? Thank goodness. I would hate to see any more suckers get hosed.

Will this pickup be available at Toys-R-Us? In the Fisher-Price Power Wheels section?

Good job on the center console Toyota! Too many car manufacturers are including the radio and climate controls in a touch screen. Can you say distracted driving? I want to change the temp or radio without taking my eyes off the road and with touch-screens that is a major problem.

Mark Williams doesn't seem too impressed by the 2012 Tacoma.

This taco is not to be compared to the Raptor in my opinion. 2012 raptor is on its own league as it stands right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GkTdGc4Z4

"Price mid 30's....Much lower than those tanks!"

Not hardly. Raptor is $42k. You can get $3k off = $39k. I'll gladly pay a little more to get a lot more with a Raptor F-150.

I'd pay more for the bent raptor frames too, 56 pages if you want to read about the raptor-fail. http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f39/houston-we-have-problem-bent-frame-thread-3103/

That's old news. You can break anything – you can even break a trophy truck.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/21/svt-boss-goes-on-record-about-ford-raptor-frame-damage-claims-w/

And you can definitely and easily break Oxi's truck or any Tacoma. This is a FACT.

@oxi - if you are going to compare a "build your own" to a factory truck, you need to do an apples to apples comparison. That means starting with a similar truck, and similar trim.
If you do that, you will find that you cannot build a comparable truck.
This Taco would be easily outclassed by a "build your own" Tacoma because there isn't a huge difference. New shocks and longer springs are the main difference. No big deal.

Price out a Ram Runner kit. (Part No. P515662, listing just over $13,000)
You can't buy a XLT Lariet or Platinum and add a kit and be under the price of the Raptor. That would give you a comparable trim level.
You would then have to add e-lockers, and tires and wheels.
It still wouldn't give you the electronic programming specific to the Raptor.

If you are going to argue that a "cheeper" truck should be allowed to upgrade because of he price difference - then why not buy a used truck and give you a 30k advantage.

One more thing - you once again are contradicting yourself. I recall your rant about "poser" trucks.

This truck has stickers, fake beadlock wheels, mud flaps, chrome exhaust tips, chrome rear bumper, and plastic front vallence. It also comes with a big, heavy V6 as opposed to a 4 banger.

Shouldn't you be true to your convictions and ridicule this truck for being a overdone poser, or factory joke since you could do a better job?

Another point - you go on and on about heavy full side trucks and how a big advantage the lighter, and smaller Taco has over those beasts.

If that is the case - you can't compare the 2.

I'm just applying your logic not mine.

@Oxi - you need to listen to the last thing that is said in the video:
"Is this a Raptor fighter? Not as it stands right now, but it is a step in the right direction".

Straight from the horse's mouth!

Until I see it hit an 12 inch embankment @ 100 mph and still drive home, then it's cool. Until then, I will take one of those TANKS PLEASE!!!!!!

Shouldn't you be true to your convictions and ridicule this truck for being a overdone poser, or factory joke since you could do a better job?

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No cuz Oxi's truck is pretty much the same: bilsteins, coils, 2" lift, BFG's. TX Baja: bilsteins, coils 2" lift, BFG's. If oxi criticizes this truck he will be ridiculing himself. Oxi will only ridicule other makers of trucks.

Oxi you're comments get more funny with every article.

Mark so far seems to be doing a good job. keep the articles cumin. But ya Toyota seems to be paying attention to what Ford is doing.

@Dave,

I have OME front struts with 200 lbs. coils and Camburg upper control arms with custom 9-pack Deavers rated at 700 lbs. rear with Bilstein 5100's...

@Lou,

"Is this a Raptor fighter?"

I am more experienced than the author when it comes to off-roading but I will say this Tacoma can compete against the larger and heavier Raptor and hold its own...

Do not underestimate smaller and lighter pickups!

$35,000 for a "step in the right direction"??? You'd spend $0.89 on a can of Shasta Cola when you for a buck you can have the 'Real Thing'...

As far as "over priced" goes, the Raptor is $3000 more than an F-150 Lariat 4X4 with the 6.2L if the 6.2 was an option. Take $3000 to ORW as see what that gets ya? Or to your Mopar parts counter? But then a $8000 TRD shock, software and sticker pkg is a bargain???

I don't know if Raptors are "tanks" as they seem just right to me. I'm barely over 6 ft and have hard time wedging myself into Tacomas. I guess Tacomas must be tanks to midgets but I digress.

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America!,

"Will this pickup be available at Toys-R-Us? In the Fisher-Price Power Wheels section?"

No that is reserved for Barbie's Jeep!

"I have OME front struts with 200 lbs. coils and Camburg upper control arms with custom 9-pack Deavers rated at 700 lbs. rear with Bilstein 5100's..." -oxi

I suppose since Toyota can not build it right, from the factory, you are just going to have to build it yourself.

It sure is nice of Ford to build the S.V.T. Raptor ready to go. I would hate to buy something and then still have to throw money at it. Wasting time in the garage, or on the driveway, instead of enjoying it from right off of the lot.

Thank you Ford!

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America!,

The Raptor is too big, wide and heavy and has horrible placement of the rear shocks!

I prefer the dimensions of a smaller but not too small pickup, hence the mid-sized to tackle all types of trails and obstacles and not risk body damage or suspension damage...

The Raptor is not setup like an expedition off-road vehicle thus would have to be modded despite its heavy pricetag!

My Tacoma is still far below what a turn-key Raptor is in price even with my mods!

@moparman,

What the heck are you talking about?

You even know how to put your pickup into low-4?

@oxi,

Are you talking about desert running or back county crawling? Your Tacoma is set up for desert running no? Is the Raptor junk because it's not good at hi-speed stuff or because it can't fit on small trails?

It's hi-speed capabilities are pretty well documented and now with a serious front LSD and forward camera, it seems to have the slow speed stuff under control too. Aside from the winch and sway bar disconnect of the Powerwagon it seems to be darn near the top.

What other vehicle boasts half the equipment and capability of those two?

oxi-

When did Ford ever advertise the F-150 S.V.T. Raptor as an expedition off-road pickup/vehicle? In that respect, of an expedition off-road vehicle, you are correct- the Raptor is a fail.

In the high-performance desert running arena, where Ford has marketed the Raptor since day one, the S.V.T. can not be touched by any other factory vehicle.

obviously yes I do oxi. I'm not claiming to be as knowledgeable about wheeling as you b/c I'm not knocking you in that sense you have proven over and over again that you know what your talking about I'm just ranting again fan boy-ism that you show towards yota its really killing most sensible mature conversations and arguments on here between guys/gals. I recognize a nice product,idea etc. by another maker despite the fact that I'm a die hard mopar guy and I'm sure almost everyone will agree w/ me this conversations over I hate getting off topic to start a flame war.

@oxi - usually I'll let your off road theories go, but "true OffRoad vehicles are higher in the front" is just complete bs on so many levels. Spewing nonsense like that discredits everything you say. I'll elaborate if you need me to.

@oxi - do you know the author personally?

You are confirming this definition one more time:

"Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

Guys, we must remember -

Any vehicle that does not fit Oxi's mission profile is a POS.

That rules out anything other than a plain jane Tacoma.

Did you know that Mark Williams was editor at Four Wheeler Magazine, and editor at Truck Trend? He spent 12 years at Four Wheeler from 1988 to 2000. That's pretty cool. I'd say he knows more than the average Tacoma junkie.

Mark Williams Named PickupTrucks.com™ Editor:
http://www.bradenton.com/2011/09/29/3535296/mark-williams-named-pickuptruckscom.html

Mark Williams's experience:
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@toycrusher84,

You keep forgetting the price of the Raptor and Powerwagon!

Good luck, hope you have good credit like I do?

I prefer the smaller price of the Tacoma and the ability to mod it MY WAY insteade of some engineer thinks it should be!

That gives me flexibility to build it as a desert runner, expedition, mudder, simple trail rider, rock crawler type of pickup vs. getting one thing with the heavy priced other models...

Not saying the Raptor or Powerwagon are bad pickups, they limit your choices and good luck with the monthly payments!!!

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America!,

That is the point I am addressing!

Your paying that much for a Raptor, yet you only get a desert running capabilty with it...

@moparman,

Just because the Tacoma is not as flashy looking as the Raptor or Powerwagon does not mean it is capable with this edition!

Toyota opted for modding the current Tacoma insteade of designing a whole new pickup as with the Raptor. That would mean lower costs of production YET the Tacoma Baja edition will still be very capable for its smaller size and price!

Like I said before do not undersestimate smaller and lighter pickups when compared to the impressive Raptor and Powerwagon! The Tacoma will hold its own...

Mr Knowitall,

Obviously you have not drievn off-road at speed or raced down in Baja!

You want that nose up flying over the bumps to prevent the nose from digging and the rear kicking up thus lose of momentum and the higher chance of digging the front end into the ground and rolling end over end!

Plus at slower speeds, it keeps the nose up and improves approach angles. It all depends how much weight you have over the rear axle vs the front. If you are heavier over the front axle vs the rear, your going to want to raise that nose up or else you will be digging more and breaking traction over the critical rear axle...

Most desert pickups have their noses up, even slightly!

@Lou,

Not many have raced down in Baja, assisted in short course off-road racing circuits, went extreme mudding, trail riding, expeditioning, off-roading in the Marines, etc...

I've done that all as well as autocrossed and ran high-speed on road courses with another pickup as well as use a pickup as my daily driver for well over 20 years!

Just saying...

@toycrusher84

just for a little understanding........ that seating your talking about on the Tacoma provides something YOUR not used to, its called GROUND CLEARANCE.


@ buy american

you get more loudmouthed every article anymore, always spouting some bulls*** you have ZERO clue about. to further that point you said QUOTE;

"It sure is nice of Ford to build the S.V.T. Raptor ready to go. I would hate to buy something and then still have to throw money at it. Wasting time in the garage, or on the driveway, instead of enjoying it from right off of the lot."

you just are letting us know you have no idea what makes a truck a truck.

unfortunatley oxi I agree w/ that my old truck a rc Dakota w/ just a bodylift and 33s would run circles around off road my rc Ram w/ the 4.7 and 35s that I own now. Just saying the current Taco aint so small that its really that much of a difference now if I were to ever buy an import the oldest Tacos and when they where just called toyota pickups that would be my choice. And you really need to acknowledge other companies succeses I often praise Ford GM yota etc. even though Im a die hard mopar fan thats all.

@moparman,

I praised them, read earlier posts on here...

The reason I do not own one of those Toyota pickups from the 1980's is because of cab space and right now I cannot afford to have 2 off-roaders...

I bought the 2010 for the increased cab room for the wife and I but did not sell out to a tank because I have no use for a tank abilities...

I used to own many older Toyota pickups and loved their toughness and durability but try and take a cross-country trip with a 1985 standard cab. Not much fun or room but very capable off-road!

I had to give up a little off-roadness for the space the wife and I seek for taking trips and my expedition mission profile for carrying additional cargo/payload requirements. Those older Toyota would not meet my demands for the cargo/payload yet they were better of-roaders because of their lighter weight and shorter wheelbases!

So I feel I compromised very little with a Tacoma vs buying a huge full-size pickup that would have easily met the cargo/payload but sacrificed too much when it came to weight and off-roadability!

Someday I will be ready to build a dedicated off-roader again and guess what? It will be a mid-1980's Toyota pickup with the IFS built for whatever mission profile I seek: desert running, rock crawling, deep mudding, trail riding, etc... The beauty of those older Toyota's, build what you want and it will not cost you much $$$...

@moparman,

I agree!

Lighter pickups are MORE capable off-road than heaviet full-size, even the Raptor and Powerwagon that are good pickups but their size and weight hinder them off-road!

That is why their are fewer and fewer full-size off-road except those that are trailered to the campsite! You just cannot keep them street legal and be able to go places smaller pickups can easily make it through!

"...you just are letting us know you have no idea what makes a truck a truck." -hemi lol

As a matter of fact, I do know what makes a truck a truck. That is why I will only own an American truck. Dodge, Ford, and General Motors have been building great trucks for over 75+ years. Their engineers know a thing or two about what makes a truck a truck, also. I put my trust in their skills. The millions upon millions of people that buy these American workhorses know what makes a truck a truck, also.

The clueless ones that buy the foreign jobbers are the ones that do not know what makes a truck a truck. They only need light-duty errand runners without any real capabilities. So they can run down to the local health food & vitamin stores, or to the pharmacy to pick-up their Depends and Ben Gay.

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America!,

"That is why I will only own an American truck. Dodge, Ford, and General Motors have been building great trucks for over 75+ years."

That may be true about full-size but when it comes to smaller pickups Detroit has less years in the field!

Toyota debuted their small pickup in 1963 and the industry's FIRST compact 4wd back in 1979, YEARS BEFORE THE BIG 3 COULD MAKE THEIR OWN without help from abroad!

Toyota has more years building smaller pickups than GM, Ford and Dodge!

And Toyota can brag their built their own pickup unlike the big 3 and the help they got from first re-badging smaller pickups from Isuzu, Mazda and Mitsubishi!

Toyota even built their own Tundra in house!

Why couldn't the big 3 build their small pickups in house? Why did they look to Isuzu, Mazda and Mitsubishi for assistance?

Another reason of Toyota small pickup GLOBAL following!!!

"...Why couldn't the big 3 build their small pickups in house? Why did they look to Isuzu, Mazda and Mitsubishi for assistance?..." -oxi

They (Chrysler, Ford, General Motors) did this to buy themselves time. They wanted to gauge the market first before investing money and time if the market was just a fad. Look at what happened when the Ranger and S-10 & S-15 did finally come out. They whooped the sales of the Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan, and Toyota offerings. The Ford Ranger was the top selling compact pickup for many years.

The import companies did it first but the domestic companies did it better.

@oxi

I just wanted to nitpick something you said...

I Quote...

''Toyota opted for modding the current Tacoma insteade of designing a whole new pickup as with the Raptor. That would mean lower costs of production YET the Tacoma Baja edition will still be very capable for its smaller size and price!''

Is that not what Ford did? Last time I checked the Raptor is just a modfied F-150. Not an entierly new design all on its own.

I'm not bashing the Tacoma oxi...But you and your fanboyism leave me with a very sour taste in my mouth for Toyota. You act like the Tacoma is the only smaller truck that's ever been modded for any kind of offroad racing. What about Rangers? Rangers are amongst the most popular pickups for people who want to make their own Pre-Runner.

I'm curious - is there a posted price for this option?
A TX/Pro double cab tested a while back on this site was $34,581.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09/off-road-test-review-2011-toyota-tacoma-tx-pro.html

@oxi exactly but I simply could not justify paying the same amount for a midsize when for a few more buck I could get a full size and my truck is used for side work I do as a landscape a daily driver to manhattan to my shop a wheeler for fun and off road for hunting and fishing. So my Ram w/ just a leveling kit 35s and rear lsd and 3.92s is plenty fun off road and can do what many a jeep and other vehicles cant do so I see what your saying w/ having to "sell out" and get the bigger taco

@Buy American -enough of bashing guys who buy "foreign jobbers".

A vehicle made on foreign soil is an import.
A vehicle made on foreign soil hurts a country.
Ford, GMC, and Ram import vehicles into the USA.
So does Toyota, and Honda.

The flag that flies overhead of the corporate office is completely, 100% irrelevant to the definition of:
import
or
domestic.

Location of the Head office does not determine the "label" import or domestic.
What determines the label is the "soil it is built upon".
Period.
End of story.

A Tundra is just as beneficial to the USA as an F150, GMC 1500 or Ram 1500.
By definition - all of those brands are "domestics", as in made on USA soil. They contribute positively to the GDP "Gross Domestic Product" of the USA.
Ohh - there is that word "domestic" again.
Look up what GDP means.

I agree that imports are bad.

Just stop abusing/misusing the word.

Your Ram Power Wagon, by definition is an import.

A Tundra or Tacoma, by definition is a domestic.

If you want to help the USA by buying "American made" -you'd better start looking at the letters in the VIN.

@Buy American where Lou and I come from Canada and Australia respectively there is no domestically owned Automotive car/truck manufacturer, they are all "foreign". Although in the past there were some local truck and car manufacturers, but they could not really compete with the much larger industries of the US or Europe.

"...The flag that flies overhead of the corporate office is completely, 100% irrelevant to the definition of:
import
or
domestic.

Location of the Head office does not determine the "label" import or domestic.
What determines the label is the "soil it is built upon".
Period.
End of story...." -Lou

This is where you are wrong, sir. I hate to say that to you, because are so informed and correct on just about every level, but in this case you are mistaken. I hate to say this to you, as you are such a good debater and are "most" of the time well informed. You need to pick-up a copy of; How Americans Can Buy American- The Power of Consumer Patriotism, by Roger Simmermaker

Robert Ryan-

How do you feel about Australia losing it's manufacturing/production jobs to foreign competition? I am fighting for America to hold on to ours and not keep losing it to Asia.

@Nate.M,

The Raptor does not even come close to an F-150!

It is much wider, different body panels, etc...

You can notice a Raptor on the street from all of the Camry-ish F-150's out there!

@Buy American Or Say Bye To America!,

No you are wrong!

You would still buy from GM even if they had all of their plants abroad but kept that corporate HQ right in the U.S.!

That is what is going on today, companies like GE for example reap billions in profits not from U.S. operations but abroad while they close plants here in the U.S. for Chinese plants but you will wave the flag for them because they are profitable YET they eliminate thousands of U.S. jobs to make those profits from foreign operations simply because they have their HQ within the U.S.!

My last 2 Tacoma's were MADE IN THE U.S. supporting thousands of high paying jobs. I am damn proud of that depite the label of Toyota on it!

I am not supporting the corporate goons anymore and large shareholders. I am supporting the people that actually build the vehicles these days making sure they have a paycheck!



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