Museum Pays Homage to Peugeot's Diesel Haulers

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France may not seem like a hotbed of work trucks now, but there was a time when Peugeot was the strongest of the hard workers.  The company started out making steel 200 years ago, and then branched into producing anything that required metal; in fact, they made everything from hand tools to coffee grinders, and eventually produced vehicles.

This eclectic history is best reflected at the company’s museum in Sochaux, France (about 4 1/2 hours outside of Paris). The Peugeot Museum of Adventure features everything from pepper grinders to concept cars.  But there is one part of the hall devoted to the history of what the company does best – diesel engines in vehicles designed to do work.  

When it comes to making trucks and vans, Peugeot has long had an ace in the hole: a tradition of great diesel engines. As early as 1937, Peugeot was using the extra torque of diesel power for its sedans and select industrial vehicles. Once post-WWII production went into full swing, Peugeot quickly became the darling of Third World countries on the heels of its diesel’s durability in harsh conditions.

Using this sturdy base, Peugeot engineers developed full truck and van bodies around the diesel motor. Of course, they also found success taking simpler routes: Often, little more was needed to convert a car for service duty than adding a bed in the back. This tradition started in the 1940s with the 203 model and continued though the 1980s with trucks based on the 404 sedans. Some of the designs are a little odd and quirky (in true French style), but simple rear suspensions and the diesel motor meant they could always carry a load.

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The 2.5-liter engine in the J5 military truck (above) makes only 75 hp, but since it is a diesel, this four-door pickup can carry up to 2,700 pounds.

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Specialist automotive company Dangel worked with Peugeot to turn some everyday cars, like the 505 Wagon (above), into genuine 4x4s, including the addition of two-speed transfer cases.

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The 404 pickup (above) sold more than 800,000 examples during its 20 years in production, and it is considered to be the vehicle that helped conquer Africa.  With a 1.6-liter gas engine or 1.9-liter diesel, this El Camino of the desert could carry up to 2,200 pounds.

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Comments

The Favourite ride of a well too do Camel. I would hate to know how much weight is in that Ute bed. The 6.7 Scorpion engine owes a lot to Peugeot and their "Lion " diesel.
http://followthefish.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Picture-111.jpg

An adult male Dromedary Camels weight is usually in the range of 400–600 kg, with females being 10% lighter, so up to 1200 kg or 2600 lbs in that utes bed.

And more recently Peugeot has given Audi a run for their money with their Le Mans racing engines. They even looked at diesel-hybrid racing engines.

That Peugeot 505 wagon will out run any Tacoma in the bush,plush you have room for your gear,friends,family !

The Peugeot has a better approach angle,ground clearnace and better looks than a Tacoma !

Peugeot and Chevrolet are both French ,and I am part French !

I once owned a Dodge Omni with the rare Peugeot engine 1.6,that I delivered Pizza's in .As I said,I am part French, I drive a Dodge ,going on my memory ,that the Dodge name is a English decent,and Chrysler is Switzerland/German decent !! Oddly enough my wife is a Swiss,but later moved to Germany as a small child.I am going for Fish & Chips and my wife will have some wine(French wine prefered).Oddly enough Fiat/Ferrari is now a part of Chrysler,and my old man did alot of shady business with a guy connected with the Italian mob (thats why my dad never seemed to work much but had alot of $).

I like the red Peugot fire truck. The cab has some nice lines to it.

@Dodge,Dodge,Dodge,Dodge RAM - the other way around, Chrysler is now part of Fiat/Ferrari.

@Ken, Yes their later diesels have been very impressive.


@Greg B Very similar box to some Ford Falcon Cab Chassis Utes. Maximum load is 2,700lbs.

@robert Ryan - intersting comment about the Lion diesel. Thanks for the tip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17

Oxi wont like the 404 since it is considered to be the vehicle that helped conquer Africa.He/She would say it was the Tacoma !

@Hot Rod very few Tacoma's outside NA. These days the Hilux has conquered Africa.

Nice that a truck from the 1930's that puts out 75 hp has more of a payload than 90% of todays modern pickups in this country.

@max Not that great it dates from the 1980's. Still 75hp and 2,700lbs is not that shabby. Low output from diesl though.

@Robert Ryan

The 4.4L V8 diesel that Ford builds in Mexico is derived from the Lion diesel created by a joint venture between Peugeot and Ford. The 6.7L Scorpion is a Ford in house designed diesel, also built in the same plant in Mexico, but is not the result of any"help" from Peugeot.

Another of your attempts to talk down anything American.

The Chevrolet brothers were Swiss, not French.

Old Peugeots were indeed tough cars and light trucks.

@Dodge - From 1983 to 1986, well over 100,000 Dodge Omni's & Plymouth Horizon's were equipped with the Peugeot 1.6, but with only 62 to 64 hp few have survived...

@Toyboxrv. If you check you will find it that is NOT the case. Ford''s publicity on the engine , hinted at it as well. Reference is Not hard to find.

@toyboxrv - those foreigners think they are better than us. we should nuke em all. we are the best. Chevy is the best.

@Toyboxrv don't kid yahself ford, i mean turds can't anything on their own

Peugeot produces only one compact truck now a days - Hoggar.

http://carros.peugeot.com.br/showroom/hoggar/2-portas/

Links RR? I found that Ford and Peugeot were the first to use cgi on a jointly designed engine in 2003. Can find very little else.

@Tom,
Whole list of of outsiders were involved. What triggered my ccuriosity was when someone on another forum said "it looks like a German Marine Diesel" .Maybe that is the type of of third party Ford wanted to sell the engine too, something for marine use.
Anyway the basic design and flow testing, simulation testing of the engine was done by a Austrian company called an AVL(Have a lot to do with Marine diesels), bit like Ricardo did for the 3.5 Litre V6, used by Ford and Mazda. Then it is up to the companies to do everything else.

"AVL assisted American Ford with the design of their new Power Stroke medium-duty truck diesel engine."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVL_(engineering_company)

Ford England's Dagenham "Our European Resources" in the Ford press statement did the hardware. Peugot (Not credited) did the tuning of the engine.
German company Mahle did the pistons.
Tupy a Brazilian company does the casting,
From someone in the Pickup Forums sums it up best.
"The loss of the foundry facility also removes a useful potential source of supply of CGI blocks and heads for engine production in North and South America, making the positions of Cifunsa in Mexico, and Tupy SA in Brazil all the more stronger. Tupy is earmarked to supply the V8 engine blocks to CEP in both 4.4-litre and 6.7-litre form"
The special Graphite/Iron blend was developed by a German company and used by Tupy.
This article from Diesel Power sums it up.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/ford/0910dp_ford_6_7l_powerstroke_diesel_engine/viewall.html

@Robert Ryan

So where is all the input from Peugeot? Does Peugeot do all there injection system design? Do they do all their turbocharger design? If they build an engine with a CGI block do they cast it themselves or does Peugeot do what Ford does and use the resources of other companies that specialize in certain areas of engine development?

Where is your proof that Ford couldn't complete the Scorpion project without help from Peugeot, which is what you claim? You can't even prove the Lion would not exist without Peugeot. How do you know that Peugeot wouldn't have made the Lion without Ford's involvement?

AVL assisted does not mean that Ford let them lead the project. Who was in charge of the project? Not looking like Peugeot.

@ToyBoxRc. Try and read my reply and understand it, it would help.

@Robert Ryan - looks like we all have loyal fans on this site. LOL

@Lou,
Correct LOL.

@Robert Ryan

I read your reply which avoids dealing with the fallacy of your original statement, "The 6.7 Scorpion engine owes a lot to Peugeot and their "Lion " diesel."

What does Ford owe Peugeot for the development of the Scorpion, besides some tuning work? It certainly doesn't sound like Ford owes them much credit.

How much research have you done into any of the partners that Peugeot used for the development of one of their engines, starting with the Lion diesel? How many other manufacturers use some of the same partners that Ford has used and why don't you belittle them for their insinuated lack of competence to do it all by themselves?

Every post you make you bring up something critical of an American company or American truck buyers. Usually it's BS. This time is no exception.

@Toyboxrv. read it again. You seem to have considerable comprehension issues and find it difficult to understand very basic statements.
That is what I said
"What does Ford owe Peugeot for the development of the Scorpion, besides some tuning work? "

As you stated :
" The 6.7L Scorpion is a Ford in house designed diesel,"

Then contradict it by stating:
"what Ford does and use the resources of other companies that specialize in certain areas of engine development?

I have never said anything like this, you did. Only Ford/Peugot Corporate can tell you the answer .

"Where is your proof that Ford couldn't complete the Scorpion project without help from Peugeot.

" Peugeot do all there injection system design? Do they do all their turbocharger design? "

You need to read your own posts. A statement I made you are now claiming as your own. I quoted you from your original post and what you said was, "The 6.7 Scorpion engine owes a lot to Peugeot and their "Lion " diesel."

That has not been supported by any facts you presented. The Cummins is an engine purchased by Dodge for their trucks and a very good one. The Duramax was originally an Isuzu design in a joint venture with GM. It is now been redesigned to meet tougher emissions laws by GM engineering. The Lion diesel was a joint venture by Peugeot and Ford. The Scorpion was created in house and used others for some of their expertise in specialized areas. All the above mentioned engines have done that for injection systems, turbochargers and for those using CGI blocks, the casting technology. You have never shown that Ford owes a lot to Peugeot, which is what you originally stated.

The Scorpion is as much an in house design for Ford as the Cummins is for Cummins Engine.

@Toboxrv
"The Scorpion was created in house and used others for some of their expertise in specialized area"
Cannot have been by that very statement. You do not have other companies involved if it was "in house" My original point.So the Scorpion is NOT an"in house"design, otherwise all aspects of the engine would have been done by Ford Including the casting of the block, intial design
"injection systems, turbochargers" they are ancillaries not part of the engine design.
Try reading my post again, you are still missing it.

Peugeot has a really bad reputation in the Jeep world...the BA 10/5 manual 5-speed tranny that they used in the first bunch of YJs (starting in 1987) is known for sh!tting the bed early and often.

That said, the BA10/5 in my '87 YJ never failed me personally, so I guess they get a pass from me. But I still replaced it with an NV4500 when I upgraded to V8 power about 10 years ago.

Actually I think Ford did produce the engine in house, even though they did sub contract various aspects. Some work was done at Ford factories in other countries, some at non Ford entities. Ford called all the shots, hence in house.

@Robert Ryan

Where did the design for the Scorpion originate? Not with Peugeot. It's not like the Cummins in the Dodge or the Duramax in the GMs. It originated in Ford engineering facilities for use in Ford trucks.

The Duramax uses a turbocharger that Isuzu didn't design and a an injection system that Isuzu didn't design. The final tuning was done by GM. The block in the Duramax was made with help from outside sources. Same with the Cummins in the Ram. The Cummins Ram is a Cummins in house design and most rational people will agree. The Duramax is an in house Isuzu design with a lot of input from GM. How is the Scorpion different from them?

Your statement was that Ford owes a lot to Peugeot for the Scorpion and you are wrong.

I have a 1980 cj 7 jeep with a peugeot diesel in it. Its original with 60,000 miles on it. It has around 60 hp and only goes about 65 mph, but has good low end torque. I love the noisy diesel, people always think it a gas engine about to blow. I love this thing.

Pls sir can l get this type of 404 or 504 pick up around Nigeria or cottonou if yes how much thanks.



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