Full-size Trucks--Ready for Snowplow Duty

Snow Plow 1 II

If your pickup has to do snowplow duty, either of the GM full-size pickups may be the best truck for the job. At least, that's what we'd expect Chevy or GMC sales reps will tell you, and they may have a point. 

You can hook up a snowplow blade to just about anything with a strong front end — we've even seen a few mounted on small Jeeps and Suzukis — but, as you might expect, there are many important details to consider when choosing the right snowplow blade and the right workhorse vehicle for your plow. 

"For plow operators, our torsion bar independent front suspension is a major differentiator," said Chris Bither, GMC Sierra ride and handling engineer. "Our competitors' beam axles can't match it for traction on uneven surfaces and axle hop reduction." We would expect him to say nothing less, but we're well aware that many consider solid front axles and coil springs to be plenty strong enough if they're matched properly. 

With that said, all four-wheel-drive GM HDs are available with a specifically-designed optional plow prep package — which includes a 10-amp power for backup and roof emergency lights, heavy-duty 160-amp alternator (or dual 125-amp units for diesel models), high-flow front bumper, forward wiring harness, trailer brake wiring harness, skid plate and a high capacity air cleaner with auxiliary transmission oil cooler — all covered under GMC’s standard warranty. Also, the torsion bars can be adjusted with a single wrench to provide proper wheel alignment and ride height when the weight of a plow — as much as 1,000 pounds or more in some cases — is added to the front of the vehicle.

By contrast, a prep package for the Ford Super Duty offers an upgraded alternator and heavy duty springs, and it does offer a live front axle on 4x4 models. The Ram’s package includes a 180-amp alternator and skid plates, and it also has a solid axle. Of course, all three manufacturers offer a choice between a stout turbo-diesel and powerful gas engine.

Snow Plow 2 II

If you've determined you don't need a three-quarter-ton or 1-ton truck, GM offers the only plow prep package for light-duty pickups. We should note each of the half-ton truck makers does offer less plow-specific packages that offer some upgraded protections that would also work well under high-stress conditions. 

Here are some quick tips to consider if a snowplow is in your truck's future:

  1. First, be very specific about considering your snow-pushing needs. The more snow, the heavier-duty truck that’s required. While Ford does not recommend the 2012 F-150 for snow plowing, a GM half-ton can be used for smaller driveways and streets.
  2. When thinking about capacity, consider the type of plow you’ll use. Driveways are best done with a small, straight blade. The initial cost for larger V-type plows is higher, but time is money, and for larger jobs with larger trucks, V-plows significantly reduce work time.
  3. Plow truck buyers must also consider the right optional equipment. All-terrain tires will add grip, and a locking rear differential can be a big help in slippery situations. Of course, any kind of plow prep package is a must. We'd also recommend heated seats. 

For more info and advice, check out our past plow coverage

Snow Plow 4 II

Snow Plow 3 II

Comments

Hey RyanHaynes46,
I have a solution to your problems, ready?
BUY FORD OR RAM!

@Greg, lol.. ya I'm sure that's exactly what GM wants. The Chevrolet guys to just go buy Ford's and Ram's instead. Boy you're a genius.

Dude, leave people alone. You're like a big bully trying to force your views on everyone else. Not everybody wants a GMC man. Most guys grew up with Chevy's. If a Chevy guy wants a King Ranch or Platinum interior like the Ford guys have why on God's green earth would you even care?? Chevy, Ford and Dodge have always gone after eachother in trucks,cars,racing and competing in general. Chevrolet was set up across the street from Ford to destroy them before Chevy ever even became a part of GM. You GMC guys will get your own high end Denali interior so what's your deal? Seriously man. Knock it off.

@Brad, Exactly. Finally, a young man with brains. And I thought your generation was in trouble.. Maybe there's hope after all. Good call kid.

@Jordan L - I'd have to agree with you. I rarely ever see a new pickup with a plow, let alone a new 1/2 ton. Most are old beaters. Old loaders that are no longer good enough for logging, or construction are a dime a dozen where I live. That is what most contractors use. You can plow a parking lot and load dump trucks with the same machine all for the price of a pickup (or less). I know tons of people with ATV plows. Many people with acreage have small tractors all ready. A buddy of mine just got a new skid steer.
@bob - still digging for any crumb that GM will through your way.

@Lou,

No crumbs. Just the facts, daddy!

GM half tons can plow. Fords can't!

Hey Brad1982,
Did any part of my post ever mentioned anything about GMC?
English is a second language for me, but you should have no trouble reading english words.
Those that grew up with Chevys and are true loyal will stay with Chevys thru thick and thin. They won't come here and hold everybody hostage and tell the world that they will never buy a Chevrolet again because there is no King Ranch in offer!!! And like I said before. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, GO GET WHAT YOU WANT AND ENJOY IT!! PLENTY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT YOUR NEXT BUY WILL BE FORD OR RAM.
FINE!
I drive a Silverado FYI. Always have.

@RonL
Don't raise your glass just yet. There is hope, but there is still plenty more work to do before they can takeover the reins.
"...ya I'm sure that's exactly what GM wants. The Chevrolet guys to just go buy Ford's and Ram's instead"
For everyone that leaves for compatition another one comes over board. Numbers have been pretty steady for decades.
There is plenty of guys that go back and forth.
Loyal fans stay!


@ Bob - who wins?
Who cares?
If I want a plow machine, I'm not going to use a new 1/2 pickup.
Ford, Ram, Toyota, and Nissan know that.
I know that, and most contractors know that.
On top of that, for me, and most truck guys - regular cab trucks are useless.
You are reaching for crumbs to prove Chevy is the best.
Why don't you post that vague mpg advantage too.
whoop dee doo.
Most truck buyers care about things like performance,looks and options.
Please point out where Chevy 1/2 tons win in those areas?

@bob
Let's see...what truck do you drive?...Oh, I remember now, you don't have one!

Dewalt, every manufacturer would void the warranty larger tires; all your comments are idiotic.

All you complaining about platinum and cooled seats are just a bunch of subruban concious dads, no real guy who uses his truck for work would ever want cooled seats and lexus soft leather (a wear item as well as another thing to break). With that said, I bet the next generation addresses the sales lost to those box checker types (which sounds like a bunch on here) and they come with something above the LTZ level.

The Solid axle comment is getting old, I bet the new IFS is stronger then either of the SFA trucks. News flash, they have issues and wear points too. Bearing problems with ford anyone? 99% of you whinning (sp?) about sfa trucks have no need for one to begin with, they have far more downsides then upsides again for you suburban image concious box checker dads. Do you rock crawl? Do you mud bog with 40" plus tires? Then please explain to me why a sfa would be more beneficail to you then a ifs when all you do is drive around town hauling (maybe) and go down the occasional dirt road...

Another thing, all I hear is knocking on GM, what about Dodge being bailed out? Ford wasn't as able as you think to carry them selves through the crisis either.

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2010/12/did_ford_take_secret_governmen.html

These comment sections are fun, kind of like the war section/racing stories of car forums!

@Jordan L - I'd have to agree with you. I rarely ever see a new pickup with a plow, let alone a new 1/2 ton. Most are old beaters. Old loaders that are no longer good enough for logging, or construction are a dime a dozen where I live. That is what most contractors use. You can plow a parking lot and load dump trucks with the same machine all for the price of a pickup (or less). I know tons of people with ATV plows. Many people with acreage have small tractors all ready. A buddy of mine just got a new skid steer.
@bob - still digging for any crumb that GM will through your way.
@ Lou
Go to plowsite and you will see lots of new trucks with plows hanging off the front of them. Just because you don't see that in your area doesn't mean it's the same all across the country.

@Tyler, we run 8 new SD's all with KR leather options loaded with heated/cooled seats for construction. The old ones we sold off were Lariats. If I had to take a gues I'd bet 70% of all new SD's I see on jobsites are KR's or Lariats. Same with the F-150's. It's not "suburban dad" as you see it. These are tax deductable for every construction, snow plow, big farming operation or what have you. I never see a farm truck anymore that Isn't a KR SD with larger tires for the fields. We will not use anything else Ford offers But the KR simply because of the leather durability that it provides. The cloth seats never hold up in a serious work enviroment nor can it just be wiped down to clean it up. The heated/cooled seats are a Must Have item for any working truck in our fleet. It's too cold in the winter and far far too hot in the summer to not have a cooled seat to cool you off quickly and the seat leather off quickly at a job site. These are not fancy luxury items anymore. They are tools used everyday to make life easier.

The reason we buy the Ford's is simple. We do indeed prefer the SFA. They are rugged and stand the test of time. As brought up many times before here though, if Ford went to IFS and did not keep their frame up higher into the body like they have now, we would not buy them any longer either. We would have to buy Ram's then or whoever it was that kept their frame up high and out of sight. That is The #1 deal killer for ever switching to Chevrolet trucks instead. That low frame is a no go. Not only are they an eyesore but I've see one too many of those Chevy 2500's drag their frame over curbs or get hung up. We're not even going to deal with it. Also, factor this in. When I can buy a SFA that Could go off roading/over rocks or run big tires if for whatever reason ever needed, why would I not purchase that? It doesn't cost any more money than a Chevy HD with IFS. Why spend the same money to get a 1 trick pony when I can have a truck that does everything anyone will potentially ever ask from it for the same price?

As brought up many times before here though, if Ford went to IFS and did not keep their frame up higher into the body like they have now, we would not buy them any longer either. We would have to buy Ram's then or whoever it was that kept their frame up high and out of sight. That is The #1 deal killer for ever switching to Chevrolet trucks instead. That low frame is a no go. Not only are they an eyesore but I've see one too many of those Chevy 2500's drag their frame over curbs or get hung up. We're not even going to deal with it

@Paul- That's the deal killer for me. I'm like an earlier poster who actually couldn't care less about a SFA. Although you do make a good arguement that for the same price you can get a SFA which will indeed do more. I'm just more of a Chevy guy though.. Either way, IFS or SFA, I don't even care what Chevy puts under the front of their HD for me personally. It's that low slung frame I simply cannot get past. If they would just redo that One thing and tuck it up high and out of sight like the Ford and Dodge do, I'd buy a new Chevy HD this afternoon. I actually Like this current bodystyle for the HD's. The front end is just wickedly tough IMO now that they fixed the bumper. The 1500's still look horrible though... If they'd just follow customer feedback and fix that frame like they fixed the bumper, I'd be all over a new Chevy HD/LTZ. I'm also in the leather camp. It's not about luxury, it's about durability and being able to just wipe it off. If my kids spill their ice cream cone or soda, no big deal. Take a rag and clean the spill right off. Not so with cloth.. A King Ranch leather trim would be my option of choice if Chevrolet provided it.

@Tyler - the only plain jane trucks I see are fleet trucks. Most private contractors or self employed guys buy the "luxury" trucks. It is a business write off, and for guys living out of their trucks - it reduces fatigue. A friend of mine summed it up rather nicely " life is too short to drive a crappy truck".
My brother's company has gone to Chevy's because they were lowest bid. The IFS and drivetrain hold up well but the interior isn't as comfortable as the Ford or Ram. The body quality isn''t as good - they look beat to hell quickly. The Ford and Ram bodies hold up better. The low slung frame is a huge problem. He's had several co-workers get park brake cables snagged on bush due to the lower frame. It may not be a structural problem but like the whimpy bodies - they look like hell real fast.
@Bob - yes, I'm well aware of regional variations. A 1/2 ton plow truck would have severe limitations as to how much snow it can plow. Even HD's have limitations. There are better tools for the job. A skid steer with a blade, and bucket would be more versatile. You can get sweeper attachments as well.
My brother showed me pictures of one of the area roads he is responsible for. The snow on each side of the road was as high as his truck and the snow banks were much higher. A pickup isn't going to move much snow in a heavy snowfall area.
Keep trolling and gobbling up those crumbs Chevy throws out for you.

Those that grew up with Chevys and are true loyal will stay with Chevys thru thick and thin. They won't come here and hold everybody hostage and tell the world that they will never buy a Chevrolet again because there is no King Ranch in offer!!! And like I said before. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, GO GET WHAT YOU WANT AND ENJOY IT!! PLENTY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT YOUR NEXT BUY WILL BE FORD OR RAM.
FINE!

Greg, dude, relax man. People don't stay through thick and thin. That's not factually correct. Chevrolet has lost considerable market share over the years to other brands. GM shuddered many brands because they just weren't relevant any longer. I'm just saying I sympathize with Chevy guys. I'm a Ford guy and if Chevy was offering a bunch of stuff that I couldn't get in a Ford, I tell ya what, I'd have a hard time sticking with Ford any longer. I'd switch to Chevy and just become a Chevy man instead. I love race cars as well and have an 88 Mustang GT I always wanted to own as a kid. Well, Chevy could offer me a Camaro so it's not like I'd be out. Instead of an F-150/Mustang combo like I have right now I'd have a Silverado/Camaro instead. Maybe someday the ultimate ZR1 Corvette. Which even as a Ford guy, I gotta say is bad ass.. I wish our GT would have stayed a production model. Oh well... Either way, my point is, loyalty only takes you so far. There comes a point in time where if the 'other guy' keeps getting things you don't, like horsepower or interior packages, you might just want to join the other guy instead. That's all I'm saying. My F-150 I bought new 2 years ago. It's just cloth and all. I couldn't afford the high dollar stuff at this point in my life. In 5-10 years though, I hope to have a Platinum or King Ranch trimmed out Ford. I don't want to have to leave my brand.. I want my truck to say Ford on it just like my car. I want that blue oval logo! And I'm thankful I won't have to ever leave. That's all the Chevy guys are saying. They want to stick with Chevy and the Bowtie.. They don't want to have to switch to a different brand or logo just to have to get an interior package. GM shouldn't force Chevy guys to choose like this. If they want to keep their GMC brand, they should just give their GMC customers their high end Denali trims and likewise give their Chevy customers their high end trims too so Chevy is on equal footing with Ford. Then everyone's happy.. I don't see the problem here?.

@RonL. - It's funny. I just turned 30. Most of my friends are 28-32 range and we're all saying the same thing about the kids in highschool now.. lol. We're all hard working and care alot about family,country and God. I have a 5 year old boy who's got little Mustang and F-150 cars I'm raising. He loves to go out in the garage and help work on the Mustang with me. So there will be a generation coming up that will be well raised I promise you older guys that!

@Brad1982, Good post. Level headed, calm and true. You keep raising your son like that and our country will be in good hands! It's the younger men like you that still make me proud to be an American.

@Lou, " life is too short to drive a crappy truck". Those words are so true it's not even funny. I have the money to buy whatever trucks I want. It's not even an issue at this stage in my life.. My issue with GM is I simply don't want a GMC Sierra. I've always drove Chevrolet's from the time I was a young kid like Brad. back to when I was about 12 on dads farming operations. Chevrolet cars, Chevrolet trucks and even a few Chevrolet racecars for a short stint. Albeit very short! :)

I want a decked out Chevrolet Silverado like Ford offers you GM. Just like my Peterbilt's.. And life is indeed too short to drive a crappy truck. Do what you may with the GMC Sierra to make those guys happy. I Want them to be happy... but you have to make us Chevy guys happy as well. I have plenty of money to spend on my next fleet and I want them to be Chevrolet's. The choice to take my money or not 100% lies in GM's hands. And yes, I'm writing it off. :)

Who ever said GM lost sales or whatever when they went to IFS, check the sales #'s since the duramax was introduced.

SFA sure has stood the test of time, except that # of trucks sold with them has been in decline since the dawn of time...

Cooled seats are more comfy but less reliable, what is the over/under on them breaking and getting the little holes clogged from "actual" field work (not supers and higher ups who buy them as a write off and prance around the site delegating but the people who are actually working getting dirty in the field). Point is I understand the wiping them off part, and yes the KR leather is "saddle grade" dependable, but it looks alot worse and less useful when it is full of gouges and scratches as well as all the holes for the "cooled seats" are clogged from dust, dirt and mud.

@Brad1982, RedMan...Here you go again.
Go back all the way up the page and read again what the article is all about. PLOWING!
Look up now and read what's under Post a Comment line, next to the second arrow:
-> "Stay on topic. We want to hear your opinions and thoughts, but please only comment about the specified topic in the blog post"
I haven't seen one article on this site where there wasn't something about king ranch, platinium, IFS vs. SFA, low hung frames. I understand your passion for trucks and such but keep your emotions in check.
If PT posted an article about what's better, air or nitrogen in your tires some of you would find a way to connect kind ranch and SFA to the issue.

So, for those of you that write over and over again that you're leaving Chevy or whatever. I and many others just don't care. LEAVE. Make yourself happy. There is plenty of guys that enjoy Chevy trucks right now, myself included. And when the new one comes out I'll enjoy it even more. And there will be plenty of Ford and Ram fans that will jump the ship for Chevy truck. And believe me there will be plenty more that will stick with Ford and Ram for the rest of their life. No matter what. True fan will always find something in their truck to enjoy it.
Lou once wrote:
" life is too short to drive a crappy truck". If that is what/how you feel. Go. Make the best out of your short time here.
Just STOP CRYING!
My response was to SOMEBODY that HAS DECIDED himself to leave Chevy. I DIDN'T MAKE HIM LEAVE! I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DRIVE! BUT IF YOU GOING TO CONTINUE WRITE YOUR SORROWS HERE, YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME THEN!
CONTACT GM'S CUSTOMER SERVICE. TALK DIRECTLY TO THEM. TELL THEM HOW YOU FEEL. WE ALREADY KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO POST IT UNDER EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE!
Neither truck has ever stayed in the dog house long enough for a true loyal fan to walk away. Every brand has it's highs and lows. Has Ford always given you what you wanted? I can remember some shitty Ford, Dodge trucks in the past. As well as Chevy and others. If every fan ran to the other side because one truck brand offered or not offered some fancy gadget for a period of time. There would be years when Ford, Chevy or Dodge would really cry for sales. Last time I checked all 3 were doing just fine.

@Tyler, I've never read such nonsense in my life. SFA sales in decline? SFA sales are heavy duty sales. So if you mean heavy duty sales are in decline, by all means make your case. However, the majority of heavy duty sales go to two companies. Ford and Dodge. Both of who offer a SFA in their heavy duty trucks. Chevy does not and likewise Chevy has the lowest sales in the heavy duty industry. I'll also have you know I Am the "Higher Up" in my company and from me on down to the newset hiree, everyone is in a Super Duty KR. Our trucks are tools. Some companies may prefer to use Wal-Mart tools for their jobs, we prefer to use Snap-On or Mac's. We've never once had an issue with heated/cooled seats. Not one. Nor have we had problems with 'holes' plugging up. As a company owner I can tell you right now I'll take scratched leather that lasts over cheap torn up cloth any day. Our company also benefits from the professional image we portray and that means dollars in my book. Nobody is "prancing around" at our company because we order durable leather for our seats. My employees are for more productive for me when they are comfortable and have the proper work enviroment and tools to use. An overheated employee in the hot summertime does me no good. Go sit in the truck, cool off, have some cold water/gatorade and get back to work. This is how my operation is run.

GregJ. (aka Bob) really needs to up his meds. He's capitalizing whole paragraphs now.. lol

My response was to SOMEBODY that HAS DECIDED himself to leave Chevy. I DIDN'T MAKE HIM LEAVE!

No Greg/Bob, you didn't make him leave. GM did.

Stay on topic. We want to hear your opinions and thoughts, but please only comment about the specified topic in the blog post"

Greg/Bob, you are not the moderator. And there's a heck of alot more talk about low frames and IFS/SFA coming from just RedMan. It's all over the internet and all over this site from many people. In fact, reading back through everything the I can't see where RedMan even brought up a SFA. Only a King ranch interior was what he asked for. You need to see a doctor.

To all of you with beaf on the GM IFS.... I own a 2005 Duramax that I've put through places most people wont take jeeps and done things no one in thier right mind would do with a 35K truck 0-60 in 5.5 sec in 4x4 No broken tie rods (all factory)....IFS no issues.... Ive got a 2007 GMC 3/4 with 6.0 (and while I could use a few more horses it workes just fine) 200K miles in the Oil filed driving on roads and in weather you wouldn't drive your personal truck on or in. NEVER replaced one front end compnent including seals in the diff..100% factory and drives like I drove it off the lot yesterday... You Ford and Dodge SFA guys need to get off your high horse and realize the GM has had somethign going for it since 89...and deal with it...Oh buy the way.. my friend with a 05 dodge cummins..yeah, he has replaced all components in his front end allready with 140k and it doesnt even go off road... My boss with his cummins had 3 COMPLETE front end replacements... So even if i broke a 30 dollar tie rod...(which I havn't in 200K miles) i would take that any day...

@Jason, I have an 05 2500 and couldn't keep a damn tie rod straight off road if it's life depended on it. Even aftermarket Moog's bend. It's 100% virtually impossible to not bend or break a tie rod in an offroad situation that's anything serious on any IFS suspension that GM has in their truck. This is why serious offroad guys do not drive Chevy's unless they're old Or have a SFA conversion kit. When I go off road with mine it's a guaranteed realignment job on Monday morning whether the tierod is good or not. That said, my motor also has over 200k on it and still rocks-n-rolls. You can't beat a SBC. Especially not the 6.0. It's the only reason I own the truck. The suspension is weak though. Half shaft replacements and aluminum centersection replacements are the norm on anything before the 2011 redesign.. I simply do not believe you.

@FordTrucks1, you are correct. I said nothing of the SFA nor do I ever recall doing so. I only recall saying I wanted a King Ranch. I don't even buy 2500's anymore. And someone who supposedly drives a Chevy truck complaining about another man who drives a Chevy truck wanting a higher trim interior is just asinine.

This is like 2 guys on a Camaro board and one guy would like some sort of cool interior package the Mustang may offer. And then the other guy get's all defensive over it because he doesn't want that interior and wants his cheap cloth buckets instead? If he truly loved the Camaro, A) He would Want the Camaro to be better than the Mustang in all areas and B) Even if he himself didn't want to fork out the cash for expensive leather buckets, why would he care if another Camaro guy Did want to? Chevrolet would get more money, many of his Camaro brethren would love it and finally be happy, he can still buy his cheap cloth buckets if he so chooses, the Camaro would be hailed as the superior car and looked upon as so. None of this adds up.

And there's a real reason none of this makes sense. What we have here is guy claiming to be a Chevy guy yet not wanting Chevrolet to have anything nicer than what they already have. Anyone with a functioning brain can see right through this BS. It's the same GMC clown who wants His truck to be the high dollar truck of choice instead of Chevrolet. He has some sort of issue with people preferring Chevrolet over GMC and gets all pissy about it. The thing is, none of us Chevrolet guys give a rat's behind if GMC gets a special Denali interior. I say good for them! None of us Chevy guys care about or will buy that truck anyway. All we want is our own luxury/King Ranch type trim. What True Chevy man would have a problem with that? The answer - they wouldn't.

@FordTrucks1
"No Greg/Bob, you didn't make him leave. GM did"
That's exactly my point. Go and cry to GM not us, readers.

FYI, Greg J is who you're talking to.

@FordTrucks1
"No Greg/Bob, you didn't make him leave. GM did"
That's exactly my point. Go and cry to GM not us, readers.

Or, you could just be a real man and not read peoples posts with whom you disagree.

Paul, Some of the points I won't argue with. But if you think showing up in a 70k truck to a job site portrays smart business choices to your customer when it is going to be beat up at the work site then knock your self out, to me that says your wasteful when money can be saved and better used in other areas like saving money for the customer or in other areas (business 101, passing cost savings on to the customer; read sam walton's biography, its good!). Especially when your buying the most expensive option vehicle of the same truck which will have less towing/payload, ect then the less expensive model because of carrying less weight of the "luxury items", not to mention $$ when replacing tires on on the larger rims, painting or replacing items that break like power folding mirrors and so on. Get my drift? Hey, to each his own.

Look historically at what vehicles have had sfa since say 1950 to now, guess what, that number has deeclined and will continue to decline. GM heavy duty sales have been climbing since 2000 pretty strong, that takes sales from the other oh so important other two with sfa. I didn't say heavy duty sales were declining, I am saying sfa sales in general. Over the course of time they have found ifs to be better which is why the switch has happened. Heance every midsize truck is ifs, all 1/2 tons, all suv's ect... You are correct though if you are just looking at heavy duty sfa trucks then sales have been rising the last few years, but that isn't what my original comment was aimed at.

PS, GM outsold Dodge in heavy duty sales, so they don't have the lowest sale...

PS, GM outsold Dodge in heavy duty sales, so they don't have the lowest sale...

Well that's not true at all Tyler. Dodge indeed does outsell Chevy here. SFA sales are likewise not declining when discussing the Big 3 HD trucks. Are you really trying to take this back to 1950 when nearly everything had a beam? The two truck lines that use SFA's exclusively for their HD's are increasing. Maybe GM's are increasing as well and good for them. For those that want an IFS GM offers a nice set up. Their problem is now that the torsion bars are so thick to handle heavy front end loads, their ride quality argument is null and void. I've been in a new Silverado HD for many of miles. I think they're nice trucks but they actually ride worse now than their swing arm coil/sfa competition.

Likewise who are you to tell someone else how to run their business? Do You have access to that guys books or financials? I don't consider high quality leather a luxury item at all. It's like buying a good shoe or boot with better leather so it will last a long time. I hate cloth seats in any vehicle and the cheaper pleather in cheap cars will not hold up to the abuse of a work truck. You Need high quality leather. And what of a cooled or heated seat? Should we remove the heater and A/C from the truck too? Is That luxury as well? To some I suppose yes it is. Not to me. I wouldn't even buy a vehicle without that stuff anymore let alone my everyday work truck I darn near live in.

@ Jay...well then you obvioulsy set out to destry your truck.... The only thiing i have ever needed to replace in my truck was the gear box due to (severe off roading in which my front end cam several feet off he ground and slammed back down causing hte gear box to jump a gear) still no bent or broken tie rod ends... drove straigh as an arrow all the way ome but the steering wheel was off about 20 deg. You can not believe me that is your choice...I torture my work truck and have never even replaced a lower ball joint...just grease them and maintain it.. drives straight as an arrow and has weighed in at 10k its entire life... as for my Personal Duramax (118K miles)... Ive rock crawled with it, drove it up Creak beds and water falls, did more off roading then i care to mention... Done countless 4wheel launches on asphalt, concrete, you name it (all under 6 sec to 60) drag raced, 1/8 mile, and 1/4 mile hauled over 2.5 tones of grave in it, pulled trees, and boulders....NEVER NEVER broke a tie rod, never even bent or damaed a tie rod... All I ever had to replace was the lower ball joints. So I have no idea what you are doing to you truck... Like i've said my Friends and bosses Cummins have went through 10x as much front end components with no off roading.. so enough said about that...I'll post a couple pics on PUTC face book page.... IT IS WHAT IT IS....

Heance every midsize truck is ifs, all 1/2 tons, all suv's ect...

@Tyler, midside trucks (1/2 tons) and suv's rightfully should be IFS. When you don't need to haul a heavy load, you don't need the spring stiffness. A half ton or suv is dedicated to ride quality primarily. You apparently do not understand how suspension systems work because if you did, you would not say such a thing. There is a vast difference in the way a swing arm SFA with coils performs without compromising ride quality versus that of a torsion bar IFS set up. Your 'One size fits all' suspension theory is a very poor one. This is like saying because front wheel drive cars are the norm now, that rear wheel drive cars serve no purpose for a specific application. Or that V8's are outdated and serve no purpose now since we have high horsepower/torque turbocharged 4 cylinders. Different applications require different suspensions. A 1500 set up while perfect for a 1500, is not ideal for a 2500 and up. GM was first to do the IFS like they did and should be commended for it. However, in attampt to consolidate and cut costs, they took it too far.

FordTrucks1,
You just don't get it, do you?
I don't disagree with people wanting King Ranches and Platinium interiors. I've said it many times. If you desire one, go and get it! If you're a Chevy guy and you want one NOW, buy LTZ trim or buy something else. Its your choice. On the other hand if you can wait for the new Silverado, then ZIP IT and wait. You cry babies post the same thing under every article. It sounds like a broken record.
Every article starts off with good commenting until cry babies show up and start crying.

Crying RedMan wrote:
"Oh well. I've already decided I'm not giving Chevrolet my money anymore"
Five posts later:
"I want a decked out Chevrolet Silverado like Ford offers"
So, FordTrucks, even thou I wasn't talking to you because you already have what you wanted. Before you start defending your Chevy buddies read their posts thoroughly
I also need to point out that you're enjoying Chevy guys crying about it all, aren't you?

And DONT use A Dually unless you have a grit spreader or something extremely heavy in the bed
Duallys are horrible on Snow / Ice.

@ Jason I've got a hard time beliving you as well. Fom my days at the Chev dealer, any GM trucks used in the oil field were getting full front end jobs on warranty and nearly every GM truck that gets traded in at the Dodge dealer ship I currently work at needs front end work of some sort. Not that Dodges are perfect but a point I'd like to make is that doing a Dodge front end job even under warranty pays really well. Hell I'd do them all day every day if I could. I wonder if thats the reason for Dodges having a reputation for weak front ends. We see a fair number of trucks still under warrenty come in for a front end inspection after being to a tire shop because the tire shop told them they need a new front end.

@Tom K - any empty truck will fare worse in the winter than a loaded one. I found that 1 ton dually ambulances were no better or worse in the winter than their single rear wheel van counterparts. I know a few guys that remove one set of tires off of the rear of their duals for the winter. They claim it helps.

Ford back in the late 80's or early 90's i forget when, tried to use there IFS TTB system in the 1 tons and if my memory is right was a huge failure which i think was due to ford truck fans complaining to Ford, Ford listened and went back to SFA and have never looked back. This has to say something for the IFS vs SFA discussion. My personal opinion is IFS for 1/2 ton and SFA for 3/4 and 1 ton. If your an RV'er and rarely go off road you might want to lean towards the chev IFS for the slightly more comfy ride, but then you have to live with the less comfy interior ...hehe

the one guy commenting on the dodge front end his boss or whoeever it was and all the failures he was having is just bad luck in my opinion and his chevy having zero problems if good luck or he isnt as hard core at wheelin as he thinks he is. I have heard there are some problems with dodge front ends with things like death wobble and tie rod failure as there set up is a little bit inferior to the Ford design, didnt want to mention it on previous posts as i didnt want to rile up the dodge boys lol.

@Jordan.... Apparently it makes a difference to maintain your truck then... I am so stinking tired of you Ford and Dodge people sayig the IFS is CRAP... 200k brutal miles same exact front end to include diff seals, and CV axles..... drives like new still.... Want proof come look at my truck

@ DEAN.... LOL wow, what Ford tried was the farthest thing from IFS that any one could imagine...it was a solid axle with a hinge basically....of course it was a failure..Ford made it

Crying RedMan wrote:
"Oh well. I've already decided I'm not giving Chevrolet my money anymore"
Five posts later:
"I want a decked out Chevrolet Silverado like Ford offers"

@GregJ, grow up and stop it with the lies. I will cut and paste the Whole sentence you so conveniently took out of context...

"I've already decided I'm not giving Chevrolet my money anymore if that comes to pass."

You left out the "IF". There is no contradition there and I meant every word I said.

I hate turning sharp with IFS. The steering gets all jerky for whatever reason. Every Silverado I've owned does that except for my old 85 which just so happens to have a SFA. It's smooth as could be no matter how sharp the turn is. Our Trailblazer does the same thing. Try to turn sharp into a parking space in 4wd and the thing is a nightmare just like my truck. I'm with others on the frame too. I hate the 2500 frames. Way too ugly to ever own. If the frame was tucked away and the IFS didn't get all jerky then I'd buy a new Chevy HD. I like the way it looks far more than my 1500.

Do a Google Search for Chevy Truck Cracked Frame and you'll find a TON of threads from plow forums showing you what happens when you mount a plow on a Chevy/GMC truck. The Frame cracks just behind the upper A frame (rear most mount).

@ Jason
quote " LOL wow, what Ford tried was the farthest thing from IFS that any one could imagine...it was a solid axle with a hinge basically....of course it was a failure..Ford made it
"
this tells me you know zip about wheelin and probably drive on a dirt road and call it hard core wheelin. The TTB system was a great system off road due to the nature of hinge as you call it creating a solid cover for the front diff, where as all sfa fronts have a weak tin cover plate just waiting to be punctured for wheelers, you could plow rocks with the ttb system with no worries, grant you i will admit the ttb was a bitch to work on for the carrier, while the rest was the same as any other ttb system. I think the only real complaint i have ever heard on the ttb system was the tires could wear unevenly if your alignment was out, which any vehicle would do except the ttb was worse. The reason it was a failure in the 250/350 version was not the design it was the people using heavy duty trucks dont want IFS they want SFA, and Ford listened, kudos to them!

I really dislike misinformed people posting crap because brand X is their favorite and bashing other brands cause it isnt brand X. I am a ford guy but i started out being a chev guy, Chevy made me the mechanic i am today so i could keep the dam things running, but i still look at the pros and cons of all makes when i go to choose a new vehicle to buy, Chevy included! when they make a better truck then Ford I might be in line - lets see what the upcoming model brings to the table shall we

@ Jason Reread my post. I did not say IFS was crap. Others have said that and they are entitled to thier opinion just as you are. But real experience has shown me that bad gravel roads are enough to ruin a GM front end. 200k on the factory front end? It just doesn't add up. Either your exagerrating your wheeling or your simply not fixing your truck. Its funny to me that you, as a GM guy, feel the need to pile on the Dodge front ends as this some how proves your claims to be true. Show me a truck thats been used as a truck for 100k, I don't care what brand, and I'll show you a truck that needs some form of repair.

@Jason - I'd have to agree with Dean. The twin I-beam suspension on Ford trucks was a reliable system. The early ones were much more difficult to align for camber. An overloaded truck would squat more again causing the camber to be off. SFA isn't affected by overloading in the same way as IFS (whether it be Ford's old I-beam or Chevy's IFS). SFA tolerates overloading better just like leaf rear springs tolerate overloading better than coil springs. The only other complaint in relation to the twin I-beam system was that it was more expensive to lift. But then again, I've heard the exact same complaint for Chevy's IFS.

downtoearthnh
Member Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Seacoast New Hampshire
Posts: 78

Not to belabor the point, but your link is for the '12 model year. In '11 GM went to a full box frame under the trucks and stated that they were plow capable. My '11 3500HD ended up with a cracked frame, and GM only warranteed it as a "goodwill" gesture, because the truck was not rated for an 8' plow. Yes a 3500HD! Just relaying the sad facts. I still am a GM fan, but the reality of work trucks has changed drastically over the last decade.

http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=131847

another chevy frame crack/rot

That's one reason why I'd never plow with chevy weak frames...!

http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=135167

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Third broken frame on GMC 2500 HD

GM is kickin' me to the curb on this one. I own 5 GMC's and they (GM rep) said truck is not made for that type of work because it is not heavy enough. GM bought first broken frame truck back, the dealer welded frame and sold it to some other sucker. The second truck GM replaced frame, truck was out of service for 3 weeks. The third is a 2006 with about 40,000 mi. I feel they sold me a grocery getter not a work truck! I have asked the GM rep to bail me out just like the gov. bailed them out.

http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=75634

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My person comments: If a Chevy HD can't hold up to plowing what makes anyone think a light duty can take that abuse?

@Dave,

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. All of that is fixable with a little welding. And GM never said the half tons were for heavy plowing. They said they are plowable. If these people knew how to plow right it wouldn't be happening. Those links are from commercial plowers!!!!!!! A little light plowing never hurt a GM truck.

What doesn't kill a GM truck makes it stronger,
Footsteps even lighter,
Doesn't mean it can't plow cos you don't know how to plow
Stronger!
Stronger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEZDP_NVklc

@Bob - a broken frame can kill you! Looks like a lack of brains has made you strong as superman.

@ dean and Jordan....
for 1- I am talking about two different trucks... my personal 05 GMC 3/4 ton Duramax, and my Work truck an 07 3/4 6.0... my work truck which is abused daily in the Oil field by nature.. and by me HAS NEVER HAD A FRONT END ISSUE... PERIOD!! not even a Ball joint.... I have gotten it aligned only 2 times in 2 years and 200k miles.... 2nd my Personal truck which like Ive stated I have tortured... bad enough to where I damaged the gears in the Steering Gear box, and still have not had any tie rod issues... 3rd-By comparing the Dodges to my truck I was mearly stating that they have repalced front end components regularly with no off roading where I have not... You guys are obvioulsy on the SFA band wagon, I am just stating My own real world experiece... If you break your trucks... good for you, I havn't yet... You guys keep having fun.. this pointless babling about me lieing is getting old. I drive the truck everyday...ive got my complaints with GM trucks, but the IFS is not one of them...

IFS sucks for anything over a 1500. GM screwed up period. Now they can't get a contract for a supplier to supply them the SFA's needed to fix this mess. Boxed frames likewise suck on a truck. I'll take a thicker C-channel any day. Chevy hasn't built a good truck in over 2 decades. They had a decent one in the 90's and they even screwed that up. I can't believe people are still loyal to just an engine. The SBC and BBC were kick ass machines. So was the TH400 trans. Their successors are likewise good machines. The trucks however are pure ***t.

I've seen frames crack and rot on all brands of truck, so yeah whats you're point on that? Never had problems with tie rods or frontend on my 09 or 2011 chevy and they see rough dirt roads daily.

@Derrek
Try to turn sharp into a parking space in 4wd and the thing is a nightmare.

Turning on pavement with any 4wd is going to be jerky. Read the owners manual it says in fords and chevys do not use on dry pavement or hard surfaces, can cause damage. The fords and chevys i got and had turn well in 4wd on dirt and snow.

@ Jason

no crying or babling here, just stating facts, as I said you have had good luck with your truck and good for you, sounds like you got a couple winners there and glad they work for you!

guess i am speaking about the other 90% out there...

I read one time on Plowsite where some dude had a 2003 or so F-250 or 350 single wheel. He said that his frame broke above the rear axle. It was most likely due to carrying a salt spreader. But the fact of the matter is, it still broke. At my work we have 2006 and 2007 Ram 2500 trucks. They do see a lot of off road use. The frames on all but two have cracked where the lower control arm mounts to the frame. Evidentally this is a hight stress area like the place behind the upper control arm on the GM trucks. If you read those forum threads a little deeper you will see that GM gusseted their frames behind the control arms in 2001-2002 to spread out the forces of the suspension working, but quit after those two years. During that time period they were not having issues. That was a big mistake A lot of the guys are adding these gussets themselves and are not having any issues.

@Lou,

You mad?

@john doe - No. Why?

You are gosh darn right hes mad. Lou is mad because I schooled him and Dave on the snow plow debate.

I do NOT care what plowsite site says. Light duty GM trucks are for light plowing, that's why they are called light duty! Plowsite is for COMMERCIAL plowers or people who have businesses for plowing. PLOWING FOR A BUSINESS in a half ton will VOID the warranty. Duh!!!

I also beat them on the heated seat/luxury debate. It was announced last week that, get this, HEATED STEERING WHEELS cause "toasted skin syndrome". NOT GOOD! Plain vanilla Chevy Silverado wins again. It may not be the most luxuriest but at least it won't give you a disease!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/car-life/road-sage/heated-car-seats-are-a-pain-in-the-butt/article2353767/



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