2013 Ford Super Duty Goes Platinum

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You knew it was going to happen. It was only a matter of time. The 2013 Ford Super Duty will get same high-level Platinum trim package that the Ford F-150 has been getting since the 2009 model year. And, we're told, this will be Ford's top-level trim package for Super Duty. 

The package will work with and provide a choice to the Super Duty's other premium trim package, the King Ranch, but it will allow big-truck buyers to choose between the cowboy or stylish themes. Ford assures us — as difficult as it might be for some who think everyone who drives a pickup wants to be a cowboy — there are quite a few buyers interested in a luxury package without all the saddlebag and ranch-lifestyle details. 

Among the new package's features is the new MyFord Touch (the first application for the multimedia system), a new grille, specially designed wheels, more stylized lighting details throughout the cab and bed, and a unique tailgate design. If you want to see video of what the new Platinum F-250 looks like, be sure to check out our video of the MyFord Touch system. We got an early look of the infotainment system installed in a new Platinum. 

Pricing has not been announced, but you can expect these vehicles to make it to dealerships by the end of this year. We'd expect more pricing details to be released prior to deliveries. Expect the Platinum to compete with GMC's Denali packages as well as Ram HD's new Laramie Limited, and if you'd like to read the Ford press release, feel free to download the Super Duty Platinum release here.  

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Comments

Jeez this truck would be awesome if they just got rid of those dang taillights from the 90's. Why can Ford upgrade the front end but leave the rear the same? makes no sense. I wont be getting a SD untill they redesign the whole body. Whens that suppose to be? after the new F150?

So it will only cost $155.00 to fill one of these up.? So it may cost $8000.00 a year to drive something like this? Let's hope the cost of fuel goes down soon and not the other way.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=3

You can like the Tundra. Just know that there is no objective reasoning behind buying it. Its all subjective. In the F150 line you can get a truck that hauls more, tows more, gets better milage (if you care), more horsepower, more torque, doesn't have a Japanese badge on it, more interior space, more technology, more options, and more configurations. Those are just facts. You can say its built well all you want but facts are facts. Sure like what you want but be real you have to either hate Ford or really like another brand not to buy the F150. Now the HD trucks are closer to compare.

@Mobile, well let's get that fruitcake out of the Whitehouse, who thinks that nothing can be done to bring down energy prices. The same one who keeps saying no to energy production.

@Bob, I like the 6.7 because it has a strong GCI block, engineered by the people who made the 2.7, 3.0, 3.6, and 4.4 Land Rover diesels, using the same technology, it is the most fuel efficient of all the diesels when towing. I have long been a fan of the 2.7, ever since it came out. The Duramax won the rumble in the rockies, and I really like it too (and it would be the HD truck I would buy today if I had the spare cash) but as far as power from the engines- we're talking about simple power tweaking here, and I think the Allison really knows how to put all that power to the ground. I wonder if GM will finally bring out its CGI Duramax.

It is becoming more of a car then a heavy duty truck. It still has a weak frame and still has that ugly grill. Make it pretty but do not make it stronger where the weaknesses are. Ford loses again!

@Ford850....... Looks like plastic trim with woodgrain stickers to me......from Ford's website: Unique to Platinum “Brown Olive Ash Woodgrain Applique” instrument panel end caps.

@F150man
If you get the F150 you get a truck that says it can tow more(not SAE approved for some reason) and you get better mpg with the F150 unless you tow.

I think this Super Duty is nice but I still like the older Super Duty looks better. The current big grill is something I just dont like. I have to say I have tow mirrors on my truck but I dont like the Toyota tow mirrors I think Ford has the Best tow mirrors and its the main thing I want off that tuck and put on mine everytime I see them.

There is real walnut wood on the steering wheel.

Well, that's a really nice trim package, but that's all it is, a really nice trim package. Every month that goes by the Super Duty is becoming more and more outdated. Sure, the engines are state-of-the-art, but the rest of the truck is 1999. What is taking Ford so long? There's a brand new HD Ram, and new GM HD's on the way soon. Better get cracking on a new truck soon Ford, or you will have to rely on more of those low-bid fleet sales.

Nice grill. Looks like something that certain people wear in their mouth.

@Polcat
Like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wall.

I don't understand why there is 4 cup holders in the center console when there is only 2 seats up the front, yes they could be used for the rear passengers, but thats a fair stretch.

Well they say it can tow more and i have to agree because its on a very strong frame and with the 6.2L it has the most power. I dont know guys i really hate these CAFE B/S with gas milage and emissions. it really pisses me off. I personally will fill up my 36 gallon tank with premium (93 octane) and call it a day. I dont care. My 6.2L gets about 14 in the city. I mean who cares? It sounds good and it pulls like crazy. I think this trim level is really nice. Its about preference.

If you hate CAFE vote for Newt. Newt will remove CAFE standards and has a plan to get gas down to $2.50 OR LESS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vOImnCrKPZ8

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2849967/posts

Newt Visits an Alabama Gas Station

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jfc-5jQt0

Best looking truck.

This truck just drives another nail in Chevy's coffin. Ford and Dodge are using sledgehammers and some awfully large nails so the Bowtie resurrection cannot take place. Sorry To the Chevrolet faithful...

It is becoming more of a car then a heavy duty truck. It still has a weak frame and still has that ugly grill. Make it pretty but do not make it stronger where the weaknesses are. Ford loses again!

@Greg, lol... Car? The frame is just fine and will get strengthened next year. Then what do you GM losers have? We still have a tucked up frame that doesn't sag down to the ground like yours and we still have a real truck's SFA. We'll just continue to steamroll you. Dodge can finish you off. And Chevrolet has Never had anything this nice. Not in looks nor in interior quality and sophistication.

I'll take a Chevrolet TaskForce instead! Loaded with the Silverado Outlaw interior that FordTrucks1 talked about a few weeks ago.. I want it with a straight frame, SFA, round wheel openings and a sturdy composite bed. Gen5 SBC powered of course. :)

Ahh... To dream.

I'll take a Chevrolet TaskForce instead! Loaded with the Silverado Outlaw interior that FordTrucks1 talked about a few weeks ago.. I want it with a straight frame, SFA, round wheel openings and a sturdy composite bed. Gen5 SBC powered of course. :)

LOL! - Good luck with that. Might as well buy a Ford Super Duty now and quit dreaming.

@Dave, any of the republican candidates will abolish EPA mandates, CAFE, and get all of our energy resources going. I'm going for Romney. One thing I hope we can all agree on, get Obama out of office! Pickuptrucks.com should endorse a candidate! :)

I'm not a fan of the noses on these "new" super duty trucks. The "platinum" nose does look okay. I love the brown leather interior. I hate the grey/silver leather. It looks fake and cheep. Just my far from humble opinion. My brother in law has a F150 Platinum with brown leather. Awesome interior. I know a guy with the silver interior, it is supposed to be the same, but to me it just isn't. I like the fact that Ford has departed from the "cowboy" stuff. I initially thought that this new trim would be another cowboy theme as it was announced on the bull rider's web site.
I don't see what the big deal about Ford SD "older" body style. It still is the best selling, and is still well liked. Same goes for the weak frame argument. Just because Chevy "won the lottery" when a Ford HD twisted a tailgate on a Chevy commercial doesn't mean it is weak. I see way more HD Ford's in construction and forestry than Chevy.
@Alex - interesting list.
F-150 best half-ton overall - agreed.
Silverado HD - best 3/4-1 ton overall - Disagree. I hate the looks of the Chevy. I like the Denali better, but only with a diesel. I'd say Ram and Ford tied if we look at gassers.
Ram - best styling - agreed.
Allison- best tranny - agreed.
6.7 Powerstroke - best diesel - disagree. It hasn't been around long enough. The Duramax has the most beans (that may be all because of the tranny). I'd give the nod to the Cummins as best diesel. I may be the least powerful, but an Inline 6 diesel reminds me of my childhood around heavy machinery. It is a well proven design.
Chevy HD - best frame - not sure, maybe.
F150 and Ram - best interiors - agreed.
EcoBoost V6 - best half-ton engine. Disagree - hasn't been around long enough. I'd say 5.7 I-Force.

The 2013 looks like the same old wh0re with some fresh lipstick

The 6.2 Ford is behind the times on power per inch and it's rather peaky. No thanks. I'll stick with my 2010 Hemi, it may not make as much power as the 6.2, but the HEMI and 5.7 I-Force make a much broader torque curve. I'd get a I-Force 5.7 if I didn't have the Hemi, well, if the interior was as nice. Gauges sort of remind me of an old Celica. I think the Tundra has the crew max reclining seats a Ram doesn't and maybe the dual zone heat and ac is on all levels of trim? But for a 5.5' bed, no thanks, I don't need a crew max. If the Hemi had the Tundra gear ratios in it's trans it would do alot better in these towing speed contests, but there more to towing then how fast you can move 9500 pounds to 60 MPH up a hill. Just the same, the NEW HONEST 6 speed in the 2500 RAM and 1500 HD Tradesman will make a huge differance. I haven't heard of any Tundra transmission issues, it makes the I-Force look good. Funny how Ford didn't want the Tundra in their Davis Dam video, but of course it was in a bunch of other ones. And the unloaded ride of the Tundra can be better.

Hey, what was the topic here anyway? Oh yeah, that ugly front end on that truck! Yeeeesh! Not sure which is worse, it or the 2500 Chevy!

A truck is designed and built for work ... what's the point of having a nice and shiny truck .... ??

Wow! That's a lot of lipstick on a pig, or in this case a dog. The only idiots that would buy this are uneducated rednecks, but there are plenty of them around. It is so far below a Denali package from the best trucks made it is laughable. This "platinum package" matches up against a Chevy 1500 work truck but it is a piss poor excuse for a truck, sorry ford girlies, fords are unreliable, undurable, uncapable, unattractive, and under and behind a Chevy Silveraldo, the longest lasting, most reliable, best made pick up trucks bought by the savviest truck buyers around.

@Dave - Obama 2012. 4 more years!

For the amount of $$$ you spend on this oxi could buy 4 Tacomas!

And Chevrolet has Never had anything this nice. Not in looks nor in interior quality and sophistication.

@Joel38, you're right. GM is too busy diluting the Chevrolet brand with Buick/GovtMotorsCorp.

@Lou, I agree with you on your assessments.

@HarroldC, your truck would be a dream come true. Keith is right though, it'll never happen.

@Lou, I would like the 6.7 Cummins more if it got the fuel economy of the 5.9 Cummins or current Ford and Chevy, perhaps it is because it is choked with emissions crap without DEF. 4-5 mpg decrease is what I have measured with it, other than that, it is a fantastic engine.

@ Bob on page 1

Yes this means i DONT like the f150 frame AT ALL. Boxed frames are a bad idea, PERIOD. doesnt matter which truck or where i will ALWAYS stand by that. A truck NEEDS to flex so that it doesnt bend or crack.


@f150man

Bring your 6.2 ford with 3.73's in a 2wd or whatever AND your title and me and my 4x4 5.7 crew max will take your truck home on a trailer behind me while you walk home asking "whathappen"

Now on page 2 you wrote:
You can like the Tundra. Just know that there is no objective reasoning behind buying it. Its all subjective. In the F150 line you can get a truck that hauls more, tows more, gets better milage (if you care), more horsepower, more torque, doesn't have a Japanese badge on it, more interior space, more technology, more options, and more configurations. Those are just facts. You can say its built well all you want but facts are facts. Sure like what you want but be real you have to either hate Ford or really like another brand not to buy the F150. Now the HD trucks are closer to compare.

1.OK subjective is true........
2. IF IT TRULY HAULED AND TOWED MORE THEN THEY WOULDVE USED THE SAE J2807 METHOD TO POST THAT........ they didnt and it wont, PERIOD.
3. More mileage is true ONLY IF you buy a truck that WONT DO ANY WORK!. let me build a tundra with a 3.15 rear end and it too will get 23 MPG.
4. More horsepower and torque??? where at? at the flywheel? how bout at the ground where it counts? 411 HP but the Tundra runs away from a 6.2 screw raptor with 4.10's let alone 3.73's! OHHHHHH torque thats right the 6.2 makes 434 lb ft. TOOO bad its at 4300 RPM! the Tundra makes 401 lb. ft. at 3600 RPM the 5.7 i force again is better and will tow more than the 6.2, not by "Ford's" ratings of course LOL.
5. more interior space you say..... WRONG the crew max is the BIGGEST CAB EVER built.
6. more technology, we could write pages here but simply put, your truck doesnt have driver and pass knee airbags, no electronic brakeforce distribution, no brake assist, no trapazoidal rear end, no heat exchangers on the engine oil and transmission, No dual independent VVT-I, no ACIS, Entune is WAY ahead of Myford touch, no 4 piston calipers with STAINLESS STEAL pistons instead of 2 plastic (phenolic resin) pistons on a floating caliper, you DONT have adjustable headlights on your dash, you dont have a dampened tailgate, No ATRAC, and i could keep going like the energizer bunny here...........
7. more options and configs. you have it there, ford has TONS of them.
8. I DONT need to say its built well JD POWER has named it most dependable full size 6 years in a row! your RIGHT facts ARE the facts!
9. and your right again i really like the BETTER built product
10. AND FINALLY, yes the company started in Japan but NOW it has MORE USA SOIL BUILT AND DESIGNED PRODUCTS ON IT THAN YOUR F150! facts are facts LOTS of parts on your f150 came from canada NOT the USA......... YOU sir brought that up, not me.

Next time you better research a little better before spouting out to me.

I dont like the look of that painted bumber much at all and I would of liked to see a two tone paint instead of all that redish looking color. The raised screen is cool but I don't think the dash looks any better then the king ranches. It would be nice to see this in person and check out the materials. I test drove a lariat earlier this year and it looked nice but there were some things I thought felt cheap. One was the sun visors had no abillity to slide to cover the big windows. Another was the two tone seats felt like thin pleather except for in the middle and also I thought the steering wheel felt thin and cheap compared to my brothers lt3 blazer. Just my thoughts on some things when I was comparing but none of them would of really stoped me from buying it.

Dan the Man asked?

"hemi lol

is the Tundra not the one who needs a special tool just to change the oil filter or it has some plate right at the oil filter that you have to remove just to change the oil, but hey you just take it to the Tundra service shop to change the oil"

A simple answer-YES or NO whould be nice in stead of a long drawn out sale pitch.

I'm not a fan of boxed frames either unless it's on a hotrod. Truck frames should be C channel for the most part. Thick and sturdy but C formed nonetheless. The Chevy frame design and suspension is poor no matter how you slice it. Look at this SD up above. No frame hanging out from underneath the truck. It's all nice and clear under there. It looks better and is more functional. Urea tanks can be tucked away, SFA's are up front with nice coils and swing arms. None of that torsion bar nonsense. They do not belong on anything but old cheap designs and 2wd's. This is why Ford and Dodge own the market. Chevy will never be able to make more than a dent in this market. Their truck from it's very base has been wrong for over 20 years now.

So it only took Ford a year and a half to fix the MyTouch system that JDPowers rated the worst? That's R&D after the fact. I didn't hear anything that competes with the 2013 GM radio's new system that incorporates a hard-drive to make expensive DVD map updates obsolete with internet downloads at the touch of a button. Did I miss something?
Nice is the way they made the dash a usefull, out of sight charging station for all your gagets. This could be copied by the competition.
That tailgate was distinctive in the '70's! My '77 K-5 had that hudge allumnium plate too.
That grill screams "BIGGER IS BETTER" to all caught in it's glare.

okay guys, if toyota made the best truck, it would sell the most. Yes people, selling the most makes yo uthe best. If your not in it to sell the most, then youve already lost aka chevy ram or toyota. The best truck is the one that sells the most. Toyota can keep the jd power associate quality award. Chevy can keep the hurt locker test. At the end of the year ford continues to outsell the competition. Toyota and nissan need to just leave because their only motive is to simply steal market share and its quite evident when you look at the yearly sales for each. There a disgrace, toyota doesnt know what american truck buyers want and nissan doesnt care about them. Dodge has too tall gears and severely reduces the towing capacity by going leaf over spring. Chevy and GMC? well theyre always late to the party, and after awhile, showing up late is not fashionable. step your game up!

Ford sets the bar in standards. what would you rather be. looking down to the competition or looking up? so what if the other truck manufacterers do a few things better than ford. the pieces do not equal the whole puzzle. Overall ford is the best truck for 30 plus years.

@ slob

what are you talking about???? i never saw a question but you kinda spelled it out so heres your answer.

YES, the Tundra has a belly plate to protect the engine.
YES, they DO make a special tool to take out the oil filter BY DESIGN, not to fix a problem. the filter will biodegrade in 90 days and there is ZERO metal wasted on it.


@ allistar

I am an AMERICAN TRUCK BUYER. I think Toyota has spearheaded EXACTLY what the American truck buyer wants. SOME PEOLPLE are too PIGHEADED or predjudice or simply too afraid of what they dont know to realize it! sadly your too blind to realize someone else has an opinion other than yours. Ford sells the most because of heritage and they are cheap for fleet, not because they are best. their marketing team also kicks butt because they have most folks that dont know better believing the truck that tows the most also gets the best fuel economy and it couldnt be further from the truth!


NOW, to defend Dodge.... what do you mean too tall of gears???? Dodge offers a 3.92 and ford offers a 3.73??? 4.10 is ONLY offered on the Raptor so how are their gears too tall?
and what the HELL do you mean "leaf over spring". they have A coil spring, no leaf at all. yes it reduces towing capacity but get your facts straight.

AND FINALLY being "fashionably late" to the party???? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Ford ran with that 5.4 SOOOO long they were the absolute DOG of the party. you can be a fan of ford but good lord man, PLEASE tone it down a bit.

I don't think that GM has anything over Ford with the gas engines. I had a 5.3 before my 5.4, and the 5.4 is much better for towing. Bring on the gen 5 V8s, but I still have my doubts that the 5.0 and 5.5 Gen V are said to remain OHV with 2 valves per cyl. So other than a new bore/stroke ratio, and probably more power, I am not sure that it will be that much of an improvement. Case in point: Chevy 5.3 had more power than the previous 5.7, but I don't think it was as good.

@Mr. Rhoads-Thanks for info on the oil fliter.

Dodge/Ram is definitely geared taller than Ford in most gears, even with 3.92's vs Ford's 3.73's. You have to look at the transmission gearing.


Looking at first gear:
Ford 4.17 x 3.73 pinion = 15.55:1 final
Ram 3.00 x 3.92 pinion = 11.76:1 final
Ram Taller

Second gear
Ford 2.34 x 3.73 pinion = 8.73 final
Ram 1.67 x 3.92 pinion = 6.55 final
Ram Taller

Third gear
Ford 1.52 x 3.73 pinion = 5.67 final
Ram 1.50 x 3.92 pinion = 5.88 final
Ford Taller

Fourth gear
Ford 1.14 x 3.73 pinion = 4.25 final
Ram 1.00 x 3.92 pinion = 3.92 final
Ram Taller

Fifth gear
Ford .86 x 3.73 = 3.21
Ram .75 x 3.92 = 2.94
Ram Taller

Sixth
Ford .69 x 3.73 = 2.57
Ram .67 x 3.92 = 2.62
Ford Taller

Reverse
Ford 3.40 x 3.73 = 12.68
Ram 3.00 x 3.92 = 11.76
Ram Taller

Also, when comparing Ford's 6.2L with Toyota's 5.7l, yes the Toyota makes its peak torque (401ft-lbs) @ 3600frpms, while the Ford makes its peak torque (434ft-lbs) at 4300rpm.

However, look at how much torque Ford's 6.2l makes at 3600rpms: 93% or right around 403ft-lbs

Basically the same as the Tundra. Unlike the Tundra though, the 6.2l's torque curve continues to rise up to 4300rpms.

The Super Duty is The king of all kings. One thing they Really need to do though is install rear wheelwell liners from the factory. I really have to compliment Dodge on this. They did it in the 90's and it was so nice. Then they got cheap for awhile and quit. Now they brought it back. It's the attention to detail like this that really makes me respect a manufacturer. It's much easier to clean out snow/mud etc.. and you don't have to see the frame and metal under there. Kudo's to Dodge!! Kudo's to Ford however for building a dedicated truck like this. Definately the two best truck manufacturers.

ok guys everybody keeps saying how long Ford held on to the 5.4, how it was such a gutless engine and can' pull anything, explain gutless to me please what was the Tundra before '07, the Hemi before it got redone a 1000 time just to get better FE, gm won't even send the 5.3 to any shootouts except for the $30,000.00 and we all know how that turned out, the 6.0 from gm is even a bigger joke when it comes to FE and HP, the Tundra 5.7 and the Hemi 5.7 and a V6 TT are giving it fits, i don't see why all the hate for Ford and Dodge they keep stepping up to the plate with new things to up grade their trucks with and all you guys do is hate on them, they keep making the Competition step to the plate, and giving us the consumer better choices and better more FE HP TQ and better interiors

Further proof that the only good Chevy is a racecar anymore. Name the last time Chevy built something like this? The answer is never. They owned the 4x4 market up until 1987 and then it was over for them. The GMT-400 was their last great 1500. Now they blow.. Ford offers Tucked away frames, SFA, world class interiors, clean as hell looks.. Ford owns this market. Heck, so does Dodge for that matter. That Government company can't build a real truck to save their life anymore. The real trucking men at Chevrolet retired years ago. It's been Nothing but yuppies ever since. I can't even say their engines are worth a damn anymore after reading the Pistonslap bulletin in the Dodge Ram thread. Chevrolet is no longer the company I grew up with and used to know and love. And Gmc has always sucked. What the hell happened to the Bowtie?

What the hell happened to the Bowtie?

@John, they got cheap. Then they got bailed out by us because they lost their customers... Because they got cheap. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard how "Ford's are nicer than Chevy's now" and "Ford's are better built than Chevy's now" I'd be retired.

@PaulManning

I agree, just take a look at the range of Fords and the range of Chevys. The only Chevys I like are the Duramax and Camaro, and then I would still take a Mustang over a Camaro! But they are comparable.

Fiesta is much nicer than the Sonic
Focus is much nicer than the Cobolt
Fusion (new model) much nicer than the Malibu
Taurus is much nicer than the Impala
Edge is much nicer than the Equinox
Explorer is much nicer than the Traverse
F150 is much nicer than the 1500
Expedition is much nicer than the Tahoe

GM just doesn't offer a good range of vehicles. Ford and Chrysler are way ahead.

What the hell happened to the Bowtie?

@JohnGurek, they let America down. For far too long. That's what happened. Being part of GM doesn't help either. That corporation didn't give a damn about anything but their other worthless brands. GM-GMC is like an organized crime mob in bed with the feds. I'll always love OLD Chevrolet though. They just can't get it done anymore when it comes to trucks.

@John, they got cheap. Then they got bailed out by us because they lost their customers... Because they got cheap. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard how "Ford's are nicer than Chevy's now" and "Ford's are better built than Chevy's now" I'd be retired.

@Paul- THIS!

@Alex-I agree. Chevrolet is nothing but a shadow of what they used to be. They don't carry that "power" in their name that they once carried. Nor is the prestige there any longer. I'll always remember what once was but anymore, the "power" lies with Ford.

@hemilol -
I do agree that all of the companies should go to SAE J2807, but when they do, none of it is retroactive.

You keep mentioning "plastic" brake pistons on the F150. It got me to thinking, OMG are my brakes going to melt and fail? What are phenolic resin compounds?
Phenolic resin compounds are durable, very hard and extremely heat resistant compounds. (I can use the term plastic if it fits your sales pitch better). What is the benefit over stainless steel?
Heat resistance.
Less brake fade as there is less heat transfered to the brake fluid.
That may be why the Tundra needs F250 sized brakes to do the job. Just my observation.
If I were to continue your twist on compounds, we should belittle aramid fibres used in products (aramid is generic for kevlar) since it is like clothe or steel belting, or carbon fibre in products since they are similar to fibreglass. How about ceramic brakes? aren't they just a form of pottery?

"no electronic brakeforce distribution" isn't that what ABS, stability control, and traction control does?

"no ACIS" I had to look that acronym up, sounds impressive in a sales pitch. Acoustic Control Induction System - ACIS system uses a single intake air control valve located in the intake to vary the length of the intake tract in order to optimize power and torque, as well as provide better fuel efficiency and reduce intake "roar". Motorcycles have used that for a while. Seems to me several other engines on the market have similar power to the I-Force without it.

"No ATRAC" another impressive acronym that I had to look up. Active Traction Control - sounds like traction control to me. Mine has it without the fancy acronym, but I guess the Toyota system must be vastly superior?

"more interior space you say..... WRONG the crew max is the BIGGEST CAB EVER built."
Well that is true if you apply advertising spin too it. Dodge no longer offers a megacab 1/2 ton, and Toyota Tundra does not offer a 3/4 ton.
This is what "Trucking" had to say - "
Passenger Space: Mega Cab offers more overall passenger space thanks to almost a foot more rear legroom. CrewMax has slightly more front leg and headroom, however.
Headroom front/rear (Mega Cab, 40.8/40.5 inches. CrewMax, 40.2/38.7 inches.)
Legroom front/rear (Mega Cab, 41/44.2 inches. CrewMax, 42.4/34.7 inches.)
Shoulder room front/rear (Mega Cab, 67/66.5 inches. CrewMax, 66.6/ 65.7 inches.)
Hip room front/rear (Mega Cab, 64.9/64.4 inches. CrewMax, 63/62.6 inches.)"
http://blogs.truckinweb.com/1011134/opinions/toyota-tundra-crewmax-versus-dodge-ram-mega-cab/index.html

JDPower - that may be true, but it has been close for the last few years. As you can attest, most don't read JDPower but swallow the high profile negatives that have occured to Toyota lately. Which hurts sales more?

"Next time you better research a little better before spouting out to me. "

That comment, I fully, 100% agree upon. I don't blame you for getting upset by the brainless bashing. With that being said, I know that you do not like Ford (or have I misread most of your posts over the last year or two?)

@Alex-I agree. Chevrolet is nothing but a shadow of what they used to be. They don't carry that "power" in their name that they once carried. Nor is the prestige there any longer. I'll always remember what once was but anymore, the "power" lies with Ford.

-At Kevin, I agree with you. Chevrolet has lost it's power. Their namesake an their product both.... They were once a Seriously wicked/bad ass organization though. The question is, how do they get back to that? I also agree with many others here in that GMC is only ruining that effort as is Buick. Chevrolet simply cannot compete against Ford, Dodge, Hyundai etc. with those other two brands around. So what does Chevrolet do? They can't leave GM. I wish they could... I'd back Chevy any day before I ever got behind GM. It's so sad to me. :(

I wish they could... I'd back Chevy any day before I ever got behind GM. It's so sad to me. :(

You're not the only one Eric. I just try to put anything GM-GMC out of my mind. I hate the whole thing. I remember the days of long ago and they bring a smile to my heart and to my mind. Anymore though, it's like my life experiences with Chevrolet were a dream. Those golden days aren't reality on the ground anymore. I too wish they were but they aren't.

I can't help but look at this Super Duty and WISH it had a Bowtie emblem on the front. Or even a Ram. Save for the Camaro and Corvette, Chevrolet is pretty well dead. Even those two though have piss poor interiors. Likewise, I blame GM for this. Had Chevrolet been it's own company like Ford, this never would have happened. They would have kept building class leading product and not had to take a backseat to Anyone. They would have never taken money from the taxpayer like GM did because they wouldn't have needed to. I literally hate GM now. I support Chevrolet and even it's luxury twin Cadillac, screw the rest of them.



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