you guys need to come to columbus indiana were all the cummins engines are made where cummins was born i see about 8 of these trucks from the 1500 to the 5500 driving around with big trailers towing i would say 15-23,000lbs easy, there all blacked out and say Ram & Cummins testing on the side and have cummins contact number and DOT, if isend some pictures in will they be put up? they drive around town all day everyday towig tralers

This truck has the same weird exhaust as the 3500 spy shots

One source said that there would be a 6.4 Hemi option for the Ram heavy duty trucks, along with a new transmission to compete with the GM’s Allisons. (We expect an Aisin, which Dodge already uses.) RamMan said DEF would be used in 2014 for the diesels; the new Ram 1500 interior will be used, but the exterior may not change much, if at all. They will probably be pushing for better gas mileage.
2014 heavy duty Ram will be getting an optional air suspension setup, according to several sources (first was pickuptrucks.com, which said it was only coming on the 3500). One source said the air suspension would be better than the one in the Grand Cherokee. The Long Hauler concept used a Kelderman air suspension in front and rear, for higher capacity with a smoother ride; that model was based on the Ram 5500, which has a leaf-spring rear suspension. The Long Hauler now appears to be a “go” for production.

i really like those tail lights.

yes give us the 6.4L hemi.

No low slung frame. Why oh why can't Chevy do this? Their truck looks like crap with that frame sagging down like it does.

Eric, Have you looked at the hump in the middle of the Dodge truck, between the two seats? Now try sitting in that middle seat for a couple hours. Then try the same thing in a GM truck. That is one reason.
Plus your supposed to see frame on a truck...Its not a car.

"you guys need to come to Columbus Indiana where all Cummins engines are made..."

@DODGEGUY - Since you already know that all HD Rams are hecho en Mexico, don't you think they come up here with their engines installed?

Look up Cummins' engine plant in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. It's also nice this time of year.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing as all heavy duty pickups (and engines) will be built there some day if OEM are wise. Aren't F-450s thru F-750 built in mexico? What about Volvo, Frieghtliner and Navistar?

If you're going to sell big within Mexico's borders, doesn't it makes sense to build there too? Importing HD trucks into Mexico can be difficult to impossible so it's logical to have one plant for all of North America.

Plus your supposed to see frame on a truck...Its not a car.

@Kirk, not nesessarily. I have no idea what hump you're referring to but my Super Duty has a tucked up frame just like the Dodge and no such hump exists. The Dodge bench may be different I don't know. Every one I've been in has buckets and a center console. Chevy's frame drops down low to tie in the torsion bars from the lower control arms. The frame is not "Supposed to be seen" in this case. It Has to be seen as a result of the suspension design. The lower control arms sit low to the ground, likewise, the frame must sit low for the bars to run fairly straight from point A (arms) to point B (frame). This is why old Chevy trucks did not have a low slung down frame because they didn't use torsion bars. They had a SFA like the Ford and Dodge do. Low frames hinder off road ground clearance.

No low slung frame. Why oh why can't Chevy do this? Their truck looks like crap with that frame sagging down like it does.

@Eric, I too wish Chevy would tuck up their frames again. It looks so much better that way. As pointed out though, it's an inherent trait of their torsion bar suspension. They should have never gone this route and should have just stayed with the SFA for their HD's. They're too far along in this truck cycle though so you better just get used to it or buy a SD like the rest. It's not going to change. At least not right now.

That's just a darn nice truck. Will be interesting to see final specs.

@DenverMike Cummins engines are made in indiana and shipped to the plants that makes the dodge trucks let me guess chevy guy? Ford and Ram are both 75% American made chevy is 70% matched with toyota. the whole 6.7l Cummins engine is made in Indiana as is alot other big engines for other stuff trains,tractors,semi trucks, and join Cummins power on facebook ill put some pictures of the plants and the test trucks i see everyday. Cummins engines are made in america and i don't know who told u ram is made in mexico some parts are and the dakota was but the plat is being shut down and i can ashure you Cummins is made in america some Cummins factores are in other countires just for the county like french and yes mexico. But the Cummins used in America are made in America but i see all types test trucks from semi trucks to Ram trucks just driving around town they pull in parking lots write some stuff down and leave, but you gotto rember Cummins is made and used all over the world but the Cummins was born in Columbus Indiana go lok it up or come down ill take u on a tour to he cummins musem or whatever u like

There is something weird about the rear suspention. On the current trucks if you look from the side you can see the leafs on a lot of the angles. Nothing on these spy shots.
Hmmm>

Anyone notice the front suspension radius arm in the last picture? Looks like a similar setup to the Super Duty, in where there is one large arm per side, instead of the current 2 small arms per side that Ram HD trucks have currently.

Perhaps a higher front axle rating is in the works to meet Ford and GM's highest plow prep capacity of 6000lbs? Last I recall Dodge's plow prep w/cummins was 5500lbs FAWR. Super Duty with the Powerstroke and GM with the Duramax are 6000lbs FAWR with plow prep.

"Just say NO to frames slung LOW and Chevy's made down in MEXICO"

PEOPLE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHEVY IN A RAM POST !!!

GUTS

GLORY

RAM !!!

Chevy guys can complain away as far as I'm concerned!!! LOLOL! This is freaking HILLARIOUS! They're only griping that their frame set up and torsion bar suspension SUCKS compared to ours! I see nothing wrong with that! They're RIGHT! Just another Dodge getting ready to outsell Chevy AGAIN!

Another thing Chevy guys can whine about, OUR CAMO trucks even have REAR FENDER LINERS!! Chevy's too CHEAP for fender liners!! You guys get to look at Rusty Metal! LOL!!!

Rusty Frames too! Chevy's to CHEAP to paint them! Stick to the waxy crap!

MORE GUTS

MORE GLORY

MORE RAM!

Looks like the TQ based 6.4 is heading toward the HD Rams.

@DODGEGUY I have seen those trucks driving around Columbus. I've also seen one driving around Seymour.
I also see all the expanding cummins is doing.

@DODGEGUY - Thanks, but since all HD Rams are built in Saltillo, Mexico, are you saying that their Cummins engines are shipped from Indiana, some 1,400 miles to the north instead of from the Cummins engine plant in San Luis Potosi about 200 miles to the south?

That wouldn't make much economic sense, nor would it make Mexico too happy. I'm not even sure they would allow it.

Soon all HD GM and Ford trucks will be built in Mexico, and that's just the way things are headed. Ram HDs are already there and so are F-450s to F-750s.

Wrong. All of F-series are built in the US. F-150 through F-550.

Only F-650 and F-750 Medium Duty are manufactured in Mexico in a joint venture with Navistar International and Blue Diamond Truck Company LLC. The Ford trucks are built in a Navistar factory with an International truck frame, using Ford cabs and non-International engines (Caterpillar and Cummins diesels; Ford gasoline).

@JOhn - Figure that one big radius-arm bushing is better than 4 little bushings on 2 control arms per side. The 2 single bushings will be easier to replace than 8. Those 4 control arms likely aren't serviceable and would need to be replaced with new ones.

All of Ford's HD trucks are assembled at the Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville, Kentucky.

@Tim - Thanks, I knew that but brain farted. I own two F-550s and see that "Built In Kentucky" windshield sticker everyday.

I wonder if the comments on here are ever going to get real, and stop being so childish! I own a Chevy Ford and a Dodge, they are ALL fine trucks, they all have there differences, but are all good trucks, as far as the Fords go, they have always been good trucks, it's just been that there engines have been well, junk, the Chevy's might have a few problems along the way, but there are some Chevy's out there that can't be killed, and run forever without any prblems, I know I have had a couple like that, and as far as Dodge goes, the only Dodge I have had any problems with was a 1986 1/2ton I bought new with a slant six in it, that I expected to run forever, but the engine was nothing but one problem after another, (they started making them in Mexico near the end ), nothing or no-one is perfect, but I believe American trucks are getting closer, and I will support them till I can't drive no more. I do think that so far the new Ecco-Boost engine is the bomb though, I have never had a motor with power and economy in a truck before, and it is quiet and smooth, and if you have anything in the bed, the truck rides great also, the 5.3 in the Chevy runs great like all of them I have owned and have seen out there, the power is fine, adt the economy is good, the ride is fine loaded or MT, and does out handle the F-150 IMHO, and the Dodge is just a toy (Dakota) that has givin good service to me. People we need to buy American to build America and get her back on track, then when everyone is fat and happy again, well we can go back to what started this mess in the first place, (trade inbalance), where they can sell here, but we can't sell there, every car, truck or motorcycle that Japan alows into there country from America sells, and sells well, the people in Japan love our products, but there goverment wont alow very many #'s in to make any difference for us, why do we alow this? and when they say they are building many factories, and cars, trucks and motorcycles here, it is not out of the goodness of the hearts, it is because labor here, (non-union for sure ) is cheeper than in Japan, and makes for some real public relations, not to mention all the tax breaks thy get with the deal that goes along with it, but I don't fall for it, not for a minute.

You'd think they could come up with something more original than HD.

@sandman4X4 - The childish rants and the Ram spamaholics you see here, reflect the rivalries that made domestic, big 3 trucks so great.

At least with full-size truck, the US and Canada is sticking with the big 3. Really, we need to start accepting Mexico as business partners and that likely buying a Mexico built, domestic truck does more to help the US and Canadian economies than buying foreign trucks built in the US, when the dust settles.

As far as the Japan buying almost zero American cars or trucks while we buy all of their's, well we do that to ourselves. Japan has zero tariffs or duties on American cars and trucks.

I bet alot of money those control arms hang lower and would drag on a step down or coming off a larger bump/rock more so than the frame on a GM truck. What great off roadability compared to the GM trucks (rolls eyes). The pumpkin hangs lower than the IFS, the control arms hang lower than the frame, alot of hypocrites on here talking off road SFA this and off road frame that, get real...

If you off road hard enough like so many here do (rolls eyes again) you will hit the frame, if you have one of the other trucks chances are good if you are at any side angle you will hit the body and I will laugh if the door doesn't open after that (ive seen it happen). I would much rather scrape a little frame than get with in a half inch and have a good shot at messing up the body. I can't see some scuffs on the frame but I sure can see a tear and dent on the body.

To whoever was brahmines about no hump in middle seat and no low frame on their SD, where do you think all the guts went to make room for that flat floor? Have you looked under an SD recently? I have, my neighbor drives one and every morning I get to look at his low slung and exposed muffler/DPF, gas tank and transfer case. I ground my truck, scratch the frame, he grounds his truck? Some mechanic gets rich, and he cries.

In the above post brahmines is supposed time "bragging" but apparently my iPhone knows better

@Tyler, Ford's and Dodge's don't have to drag anything! We have a good extra 5 inches of clearance for one Because the frames are tucked up high! For two, you assume everyone 'Offroading' is going rock crawling or something?? Offroading means plowing snowdrifts on B grade roads. Offroading mean going out into muddy farm fields with deep ruts. Take your low slung frame into deep snow or mud and the entire damn truck gets hung up on the frame. Thirdly, you CANNOT run a large enough tire to even Go Offroad on a Chevy because you will Void the warranty on the front suspension. With Ford's and Dodge's you can drive right off the dealer lot and stick on a nice large set of mud tires and keep your warranty. SFA is the ONLY way to go for these types of trucks. Only a Portal set up would be ok for Offroading an IFS set up because there is no low slung frame for the torsion bars and the half shafts are not at detrimental angles. However, you couldn't hang heavy front loads like many would need to. GM screwed up big time pulling out their SFA's.

To whoever was brahmines about no hump in middle seat and no low frame on their SD, where do you think all the guts went to make room for that flat floor? Have you looked under an SD recently? I have, my neighbor drives one and every morning I get to look at his low slung and exposed muffler/DPF, gas tank and transfer case. I ground my truck, scratch the frame, he grounds his truck? Some mechanic gets rich, and he cries.

@Devil, Yes I have looked under a SD, I own 2 of them. Gas tank? No lower that that of a Chevy. Muffler? Really?? Transfer case, same. How's that Urea Tank treating you Chevy guys? Nice location and ground clearance there. Just another Cheap GM afterthought special. You Chevy guys keep on talking trash, Us Ford and Dodge guys will just keep building them Properly and selling circles around you.

No frames slung low where the downboys go for the win! Or as we call those Chevy's in the Dodge camp now, FRAME DRAGGER HD's. LOL @ CHEVY!!!!!

LONG LIVE DODGEBROS. INC!!!

Look how low that front suspension is. It looks like it cuts down the ground clearance quite a bit.

Oh ya Greg, 2 swing arms at what, 13 inches by 2 inches? Pftt. It's better than the whole damn truck frame slung to the dirt.

The width of the tires is what is impressive on a stock rig. Those are a good bit wider than what you get on them right now. Makes me wonder if RAM is testing the new front suspension with bigger tires to check for death wobble???? Projector Headlamps with manual/auto adjust for towing would be awesome. I cannot stand sending my headlights up into oncoming traffic. It is just as dangerous to me as it is to others.
*Never noticed how the cab sleaks down in the rear like they do now...?
**The BIG HEMI is coming and that is a fact! Cummins Engines are great for those that "NEED" the power and can afford the $$$$ to get into one.

I have to say these posts are really really funny.
Hecho en Mexico - gotta love that twisted rationale.
Might as well build all the factories there.
It might solve all of that illegal immigration. LOL

The Cummins 5.9 was made in Mexico but the current 6.7 is Made in USA and shipped to Mexico.
I was rummaging through some Cummins Ram forums and there were complaints of Brazillian blocks, and Mexican and even Chinese parts in the mix.

Look at the bright side.

All the profits go to Italy ;)

Back on topic, it does look like they are changing the control arms.
That odd muffler again. It must be for emission testing.

Why the camo?
They must have some truly amazing proprietory grill, head light and tail light assemblies in the works.
Wouldn't want Ford to steal their ideas and build a pretty SuperDuty. LOL

For those of you complaining about Ford medium trucks being built in Mexico you will be pleased to know that this is coming to an end in 2013

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10/ford-confirms-large-plant-investment-for-vans-medium-dutys-f150s.html

Lou

Where did you hear the 5.9 was made in Mexico?

For those of you complaining about Ford medium trucks being built in Mexico you will be pleased to know that this is coming to an end in 2013

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/10/ford-confirms-large-plant-investment-for-vans-medium-dutys-f150s.html

-That's because Ford CARES about the AMERICAN WORKER! And they are moving production Back Home WITHOUT our taxdollars! We give GM our American Taxdollars and what do they do? Build their trucks in MEXICO! As if Americans don't want to build American trucks! It's a damn shame and one seriously EFFED UP COMPANY! Pathetic. This country is suffering, we give them OUR money, they take their business building Trucks of all things out of the country that saved them. They should be tarred and feathered all over the national news networks for this! Heartbeat Of America?? PLEASE.

That's because Ford CARES about the AMERICAN WORKER! And they are moving production Back Home WITHOUT our taxdollars! We give GM our American Taxdollars and what do they do? Build their trucks in MEXICO! As if Americans don't want to build American trucks! It's a damn shame and one seriously EFFED UP COMPANY! Pathetic. This country is suffering, we give them OUR money, they take their business building Trucks of all things out of the country that saved them. They should be tarred and feathered all over the national news networks for this! Heartbeat Of America?? PLEASE.

@SDJohn, GM sucks now. They've sucked for a long time but at least before they did it without taxpayer cash. I say screw em... They ruined Chevrolet anyhow. Just for that I'd rather buy a Ford.

@Yepyepeyp - I was surfing a Dodge diesl forum and found a link but unfortunately I can't find it now. I did find a link about Brazilian blocks that were prone to cracking.
http://www.cumminsdieselspecs.com/cummins-53-block.html

Here is something else:
A division of Columbus-based Cummins will shed 400 jobs at a plant in Iowa, moving that work to an established and more modern facility in Mexico.The diesel engine maker may also move assembly work out of a plant in Cookeville, Tenn.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090825/BUSINESS/90825017/Cummins+to+idle+400++shifts+work+to+Mexico

Another:
I had my 53 block replaced with another complete motor. I know where the 53 was stamped but where should I look on this one. There is a stamp on the front that says made in Mexico. Does this mean it's a 55?
Nope, its a Mexican Block and stronger than the Tupy blocks.
http://forum.mopar1973man.com/threads/5260-Block-Markings

More:
http://stamey.info/Truck/Cummins53BlockFAQ.htm
By the way the Mexican equivalent of a 56 pattern was the Heaviest ISB block of all. This means if you have a 2002 without a #56 on it and instead it has a series of numbers that are smaller and hard to identify, you got the the big boy!!!

More:
http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49011

Basically 100,000 Brazilian blocks found their way into Dodge trucks. Casting #53.
There were a number of #56 blocks made in Mexico. These had thicker and denser castings. They also were reportedly very tough and durable.

So in many respects it is ironic - when Dodge was making their HD's in the USA, they were using foreign made Cummins engines.
Now they are building the body and chassis in a foreign country but using American Cummins engines.

Go figure?

All hail Mopar.
Marcionne ia a great prophet like Moses, Mohammed, and Budda.
Let us open the bible of Alpar to page 1 and pray:
In the beginning it was an endless void,
and out of that void (also known as bankruptcy) Obamma the merciful created the new Chrysler and saw it was good.
The Italians also saw that it was good.
Henceforth our great prophet Marcioone has lead us out of the wilderness to the promised land that is Mexico.
And from that promised land our beloved trucks have been born nestled in the bosom of free trade.
(The Philistines call it NAFTA).

Posted by: Lou | Jul 30, 2012 8:50:35 PM

denvermike: I didn't say anything about tariffs, but they do have a strict limit on the amount of imports into Japan! that is what I am talking about, and the fact that they have nop duties is usede to some sort of advantage when they say they have no duties, but we do, trying to make us look bad? but the truth is we are not alowed an open market there to sell our products! that would be a great help with our trade inbalance with Japan, now China is a diff. story, (more like nightmare).

@sandman 4X4 Dennvermike is right they have no tariffs or any other restriction. What they do have, is the Japanese preference for their own vehicles. Some US "halo" cars are bought i.e Corvette , Mustang and Camaro, The bulk of foreign imports into Japan are European Luxury models, Ferrari, Porsche etc.

LOOK AT ALL THE FORD HYPOCRITES ON THIS SITE. LOL.
http://www.productfrom.com/country/MX,0,0/0/194/1/

LOOKS LIKE FORD HAS A DEEP MEXICAN HERITAGE OF THEIR
OWN. LOU. OR SHOULD I CALL YOU TOYOTA LOU. GUESS THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT SITE WHERE ON LOL.

Well we all drive different trucks for a reason. I will admit my Chevy 2500 HD Crew 4x4 is not that great off road. More because of its wheelbase and size more than anything else. But if I wanted a Raptor type truck, I'd buy one the fact is the Raptors look great but it would be useless to me. Its a matter of what you do and comfort. I figure it this way:

I can buy a Ford and have a truck payment and need to save up for my evenutal back surgery,

I can buy a Dodge and have a truck payment and a repair payment and higher insurance rates (see stories on safety and reliability)

Or I can buy a basic Chevy, still have a truck payment and it gets the job done, comfortable to drive and have been very reliable. I have owned several of them and they have lasted great.

Maybe flashy isn't always the best way to go.....

@MTRoads,

Not me, I'll take the Raptor over any of those you listed.

Great taste come's from great pleasures!

@MTRoads,"I own a masonry company, so I have now and have owned many different makes, owned many fords (which I also like) a couple junk gm products including the duramax/allison. Ican. honestly say the most reliable of the bunch in my case has been by far the ram. I have towed my JD 35d mini with the 1500, fully loaded 12K dump trailer, tractors, cars ect, never an issue. My f 250 5.4 although suspension wise it handles the towing better, the ram pulls circles around the 250. fuel wise on average I get 16, hwy 20+ mds motor. I upgraded to the 4500 after 90k, and still sold the truck for 19k seats were still in good shape, motor still purred like new, tranny shifted perfect, and no rot on fram or body like other brands.. Do yourself a favor and take a good long look before buying another brand. I challenged other contractor friends to the challenge, they all now own a ram, and swear they will never go back

Today’s announcement of a new Ford ‘Merican Edition F-150 is an attempt by the automaker to capitalize on the commonly held (and incorrect) belief that Ford’s truck is the most “American” truck available on the market today. From Ford:

Our new ‘Merican edition F-150 is a vehicle that was mostly built by ‘Mericans for ‘Mericans celebrating ‘Merica as the greatest country on Earth. Don’t tread on me, these colors don’t run, various patriotic sentiment, etc.
When asked about the fact that the new ‘Merican Edition F-150 was only mostly built in the USA (only 55% of the parts in an F-Series truck come from the US or Canda), Ford’s spokesman replied “What do you want us to do – build a $1.2 billion dollar factory in Texas, bring in dozens of suppliers to build their own factories next to ours, and then hire thousands of American workers to build our truck? Do you have any idea how cheap it is to buy truck parts from Mexico? We’d like to hire Americans to build our truck and keep our domestic parts content at 90%, but we can make a lot more money if we build a lot of our parts in Mexico.”
Each ‘Merican F-150 buyer will be given a genuine “100% ‘Merican” certificate of authenticity that is totally and completely meaningless, as 45% of Ford’s F-Series contains parts from outside the US or Canada.

A Ford dealership salesperson will give every new ‘Merican edition F-150 buyer permission to walk and act as if he or she is better than everyone else because they bought a supposedly “American” product.

Each buyer will also be given a handbook titled “How to Ignore Cars.com Studies That Show The Toyota Tundra has more American Parts Content Than Your F-Series and STILL Feel Good About Your Purchase” (see Cars.com study here and the official domestic content report here).

When asked about the possibility that potential Ford truck buyers might realize the wool is being pulled over their eyes, the Ford spokesman said:

Listen, there’s official US government data that shows 45% of the parts in a typical F-Series don’t come from the USA.