Video First Look: 2013 Ram HD 2500/3500

2013 Ram HD Longhorn II

You've read the full story on the new Ram HD 2500/3500 pickups, as well as the new chassis cab models, so here's our video of  the new trucks with a closer look at what they have to offer. 

 

Comments

@Gabe - I wasn't making fun of gays. "Tranny" can be used as slang for transmission or transexual. Since many of the posts were gay bashing I thought I'd clarify that point.(And make a joke of the commentary).
When I commented about "road queen" I wasn't refering to gays. GMC fanboi's say that Ford is the "fleet queen" so I was just throwing that comment back at them when I said that if I wanted a paved road only (road queen) truck, I'd go with the Sierra Denali. That truck with Duramax would be my first choice for road duty. The Cummins Ram my first choice for a mix of road and offroad.
There are members of the Rambo Motard Goat Herder's association that are extremely anti - Japanese. (Read the Tundra thread if you don't believe me). Those same guys push the "Buy American" agenda. I was pointing out the fact that their truck is a conglomeration of things that they are against.
I do agree that my comments were in some respects playing up the "alternative lifestyle" theme of the thread.
If anyone was offended , I apologize.

I do agree that this site has gotten out of control and has been a less then enjoyable place to visit. The trolling is a big pain in the #ss.

The trolling is a big pain in the #ss.

Posted by: Lou | Oct 2, 2012 1:07:51 AM

It takes a lot of guts to admit that. Not that there is anything wrong with that. lol.

Aisin transmissions are very good, but I don't think I would call them "the best." Hino trucks (owned by Toyota) use Allison transmissions. Not knocking the Aisin, just pointing something out to the Toyota trolls.

http://www.hino.com/trucks/story_1034.php

Does it matter where the trannie :) is from.

If it works who really cares. I would think alot of the electronics are from other countries.

I have a Getrag MT82 in my ute and it comes from China.

The Fiat/Ram does appear to quite nice on paper. But its still uglier than my BT50.

@Big Al from Oz I saw TWO current model Silverado 3500 Diesel Dually's last week. I can see the appeal to the Grey Nomad, they are a big ute, but small enough to be parkable in a normal street. The IVECO Daily's are roughly the similar in size, but a Japanese truck? getting on the large size.

forget VM...although it is in the fiat empire...Fiat have been making diesels for donkeys years...SOFIm amd FPT for a start
and as for transmissions, everything from home built to ZF, no one deliberately fits duff bits (unless your name is toyota or VW)

@phil at one stage FIAT through it's IVECO subsidiary was building Cummins blocks.

@Robert Ryan
I think there are more of the larger RVs and 5th wheel campers around then what there was when I was up here last in 2006.

Even our utes and SUVs seem to be pulling larger vans.

There would be a small market for them.

@Phil
VM Motori make a very nice 3.0 litre V6 diesel that would go nicely in a Ram 1500.

We have had them in our Grand Cherokees in Australia since this year.

All reports I have read lead me to believe they make for a better tow vehicle than the 5.7 Hemi and out accelerate a Pentastar. They also use a lot less fuel than the Pentastar.

I really hope Fiat allows the use of the VM 3.0 litre V6 in your Rams, because Fiat Rams might outsell the oppostion and for once it could be considered a leader in pickups.

They would sell a considerable number little diesel 1500 Rams.

@Robert Ryan
I was thinking why?

If you look at the diesels in the 3.0 litre range in our utes they have had a substantial power increase over the past 4 years or so up to 80%.

The aveage 3.0 litre diesel 4 years ago was developing between 95-115kw and 300-385nm of torque.

Look at what we have now (not counting Toyota's dismal effort) in the 3.0 litre range, 140-180kw and 400-600nm of torque.

The new 2.0-2.2 diesel ute engines are 120-140kw and 300-440nm of torque.

By the time Euro VI diesels come out these figures will increase again by at least the same figures.

I think most utes by then will be running 2.0-2.2 diesels.

And what is remarkable the current range of diesels are using less fuel than the 4 year old ones.

Diesel technology is outstripping petrol by a significant margin.

That's why there are larger RVs, caravans etc. Cheaper to run and can pull a lot more weight.

By 2016 NA will be getting this kind of equipment.

Wow, what is wrong posting on this site!!

Always problems.

@ TRX4 TOM
Toyota can't build the rest of the truck HD? First JD Power says your wrong. The 2nd thing is I have always read on blogs for a long while that the only thing that holds back the 6.7L Cummins was the Ram (one would think Ram guys wouldn't be bashing about someones reliability). The 3rd thing CrewMax Vs. Mega Cabhttp://blogs.truckinweb.com/1011134/opinions/toyota-tundra-crewmax-versus-dodge-ram-mega-cab/.The 4th and final thing is Toyota gave the Tundra a HD design ex. Largest brakes, 1st 6-speed auto in a 1/2 ton, 4.30 axle ratio and a chassis design that is found on HD trucks like the Super Duty and your Ram Chassis Cabs.

@ Big Al from Oz
Can you convert those numbers to hp and ft-lb

@ Greg You don't know what you're talking about. Brad K. is leading the NASCAR chase race. He drives a Dodge. So much for your theory.

@Big Al, my dad has that Grand Cherokee CRD (in Melbourne) - he loves it. He still has his previous model CRD too with the Merc engine. According to this website and a few others, the Ram 1500 will have that VM Motori 3.0 CRD, and will be badged "EcoDiesel." I believe it will be the 2014 model year.
By the way, in the Grand Cherokee, the 3.0 CRD out-accelerates the 5.7 Hemi (according to the specs on the Jeep Australia website).

@Alex
Its quite simple nm to ftlbs is roughly 75% so 100nm = 75ftlb (73.9%) and 100kw = 133hp 740w = 1hp.

Say a 3.0 V6 Ford Lion diesel of 180kw and 600nm of torque is roughly 240hp and 450ftlb of torque. Enough to move a F-150.

I do realise there are more powerful diesels of the same capacity, but I'm talking of engines that are economical to drop into utes and pickups.

@Robert Ryan
Again I haven't proof read what I wrote and it made very litle sense.

The Silverado HDs you say would have a market here with the Grey Nomads as the vehicles they are driving are getting larger and larger. That lead me onto wondering why, overall our vans and RVs were getting larger.

I wonder if anyone else is having problems posting on this particular article on this site.

Could be the video stuff.

@Alex
Its quite simple nm to ftlbs is roughly 75% so 100nm = 75ftlb (73.9%) and 100kw = 133hp 740w = 1hp.

Say a 3.0 V6 Ford Lion diesel of 180kw and 600nm of torque is roughly 240hp and 450ftlb of torque. Enough to move a F-150.

I do realise there are more powerful diesels of the same capacity, but I'm talking of engines that are economical to drop into utes and pickups.

@Robert Ryan
Again I haven't proof read what I wrote and it made very litle sense.

The Silverado HDs you say would have a market here with the Grey Nomads as the vehicles they are driving are getting larger and larger. That lead me onto wondering why, overall our vans and RVs were getting larger.

@ Big Al from Oz Yes the Grey Nomads are moving heavier and heavier stuff. I have seen F450's, pulling Off Road Caravans. They are "car like" as against a much bigger Japanese Truck. Still the IVECO Daily pulls some "heavish" 5th Wheelers 35-36ft quite well.

@Alex
I considered a Laredo with the V6 diesel when choosing to buy a vehicel earlier this year and took the BT50 GT ute.

But it proves that Jeff S and Robert Ryan are correct in assuming that SUV buyers will consider a dual cab ute/pickup as they are competitive against each other in the performance stakes. But the utes are cheaper, my ute is used a SUV mostly.

The Grand is nice witth the diesel though. Hopefully Fiat/Chrysler can improve build quality up to the Asian standard. If they can Chrysler will sell alot more vehicles.

@ec
Sorry I directed the hp and torque conversions to Alex.

@Robert Ryan
And I think the IVECO Daily only has a 3.0 litre diesel, but looking at its power and torque figures it more of a "truck" engine in how and where it gets its power.

@5.3 LOL: So becuase JD powers surveys (I don't remembr getting one?) says the Tunrda does good, that explains why Toyota doesn't build a HD? I test drove one for over 50 miles. Sorry, couldn't live with the lumpy lump ride. And the outdated looking gauges. What size are those lugnuts anyway, about 1/2"?

Alot of the Ram diesel guys want to put their bigger exhaust, turn the fuel way up, yada yada, then complain it won't hold up. But if that's what it takes to sell more, might as well upgrade the stuff at the factory level, as the 2013 has. But, it never is enough for some people.

Couldn't read your story about Crewmax vs Megacab, page not found. I know Ram has the wrong numbers out there for legroom, they have the quad cab's. Chrysler has it, so does MSN. I have told to salespeople, but I guess that is hard to pass that info up?

Didn't the Tundra bomb the 30K shootout braking? With only 1,000 pound in the bed? The biggest brakes....They did do good in the 2008 light duty, I believe it won. I wonder what the differance is?

@5.3 LOL: Why yes, the Tunda did go from being a great empty stopping tuck to back of the pack, when 1000 pounds was added in the bed!! It was back there with the Titan which also has big brakes! And of course, the poor Silverado. I imagine the fade wuldn't be much, but nowadays all 1/2 tons have good sized brakes, about the diameter of 3/4 tons.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2011/09/30k-shootout-60-0-mph-braking-test.html



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