GM Exec Hints at New Diesel for Trucks

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During a quick interview with a Wall Street Journal reporter (a subscription may be required) at the Los Angeles Auto Show, Mark Reuss, head of GM's North American operations, said the new half-ton pickups from Chevy and GMC mark a change in direction for the segment. 

When speaking about the long-anticipated 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500, he noted they would better reflect the changing desires of full-size new-truck buyers, meaning they would be more refined and not overdone. We're guessing Reuss is specifically talking about the old-school trend where truck makers made their pickups look (and drive) more like heavier-duty big rigs than family-friendly people-haulers. 

Reuss emphasized that GM's two-truck strategy -- namely, having the smaller Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon and the Silverado and Sierra -- will do a better job serving GM customers who might not need more truck then their anticipated work needs require. He went on to say that having separate truck lines that compete better against the Toyota Tacoma and the Ford F-150 will better serve their diverse customers. 

There's no question fuel economy will be a huge priority for every truck that comes to market from now on, but it's interesting that in the article, Reuss said GM is still looking at using a diesel in one of its light-duty pickups. It should be noted that the article doesn't clearly say if Reuss was speaking about the smaller Colorado/Canyon, which does offer small turbo-diesels in other global markets, or the coming Silverado/Sierra, which has not had a diesel since the late '80s and early '90s. Reuss did not offer further details about when and where such a diesel option would be decided. 

Our guess is that a new turbo-diesel would show up in the smaller pickups, since they have much of the research and development and engineering costs sunk as those vehicles (with two TDI options) are already on sale in many Southeast Asian and South American markets. In fact, Reuss said many buyers interested in the small-truck segment want 90 percent of the capability but are looking for much better fuel efficiency. A turbo-diesel Colorado or Canyon would satisfy that customer.

As for a turbo-diesel in either of the coming GM half-tons (a la the Duramax 4.5-liter V-8), we think the chances are quite slim. 

For now, all we can say is that it's nice that the GM exec is giving the idea some solid thought. More to come as we find exactly what powertrains the new GM half-tons will have on Dec. 13. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait quite a bit longer (at least six months longer) for the info to come out regarding the new Colorado and Canyon powertrains

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Comments

@oxi
You'll probably find many on this site have jobs that will amaze you.

oxi,

STFU and talk about some relevant rather than your I love Japan bs. If you are so smart, explain what would have happened to the economy of Chrysler and GM both went under (Ford was teetering too...). The amount of people, companies and jobs they would have affected would have really put this country in the crapper (even more so).

You keep hammering on them to answer a question, how about one I have asked you to back up multiple times. You stated a stock x-runner pulls .97g's on the skid pad but only showed one after market company magazine article, how about you show 5 places that list that stock. Everything else lists .90ish. Yeah, I brought that back up moron...

@Oxi--Chapter 11 only works if a corporation is able to get loans from another source. No one would lend money to GM and Chrysler because the banks themselves were being bailed out as well. The suppliers needed to be paid as well and would not extend credit. Ford and other manufacturers would not get parts because the same suppliers supply GM and Chrysler. The deal reached was far from ideal and it was as sandman4x4 to get the support of the unions. The better senario would have been that GM would have been taken over by another auto manufacturer such as Ford and that GM would have less control. The forced merger of Chrysler by Fiat has so far been a positive.

Oxi you might live in a vacuum but the rest of us don't. I agree with you on relocating the Sandy victims that live in the lower areas that will flood again that they should not be able to rebuild in those areas and the government should pay those willing to locate to higher ground. Regardless of who is to blame when a disaster such as Sandy happens people need help immediately and at it is not the time to put the blame on the victims during the crisis. Things are not as black and white as you would like them to be. Unfortunately we live in an imperfect World governed by imperfect beings and we have to make the best of what we have. You can point fingers at us and call us names but if you want us to take you serious and treat you with respect you will have to stop the finger pointing and the name calling. Ranting will not change anything.

I seen lots more undeveloped land right down the street from oxi's house in those pictures! maybe that is where those unfortunate folks that have had their lives and property devastated and turned upside down can be relocated there? oxi: you seem to think we are not in a country that wants to take care of their own? what is so wrong with that? look at Fla. how many times has that place been rebuilt after storms? and how many times has the N.Y. coast have had anything like this happen I your life? How would you feel, if your house was distroyed by a flood? you might live in a flood plain and not even know it! and from the pictures, it looks like your house is built on a slab, I may be wrong, but with the drainage pit at the end of the street, and the houses so low to the ground, I would imagine thet the water table in your hood, is quiet high, and while you may not live near water, all it would take is a hugh rainstorm, and your taco wont be the only thing needing a snorkle. You realy need to grow up, and develop some humility, and be able to think of some one but yourself. Don't worry about the folks in Breezy and all the places in N.Y., they are a tough bunch, and know how to come together in a pinch, although it is a tough neighborhood to grow up in, when push comes to shove, you would be amazed what those folks can do, I know I have friends there, a few of us here are going down in a couple of weeks with some Christmas spirit, and a couple loads of plywood and 2x6's and a lot of nail coils for the guns, all that stuff is hard to find down there, it goes as quick as it comes in the stores. You realy need to be more thankful for what you have, and be more thoughtfull of others, you are not as smart as you think you are, or full of answers either.

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@ Tyler,

Explain to me in detail why the problems at GM, that is their loses and bad management decisions are the fault of the taxpayers?

GM is private, not public!

If GM fails, that is their problem not the taxpayers, that is why we have things like bankruptcy courts, etc...

Where did you learn business law?

Have you bothered to read the Constitution once in a while?

GM should have went through bankruptcy like any other business to liquidate their assets and attract buyers!

Know what politics is? That was the GM bailout, it had NOTHING to do with proper protcol nor proper business law, it was GM will scratch obama's back so obama can scratch theirs after the election!

Your job loss rant smells like democrap and corporate media official statements! Can you please make your on opinions insteade of your masters teling you how to think and vote!

@ Jeff S,

Please do not hate me because I can see things before they happen...

You live that close to shore and that close to sea level, your begging for problems when a big one comes in, so why should I have to bend over backwards for these folks that knew a major storm could hit any day and destroy everything that close to sea level and the shore?

They also had at least 3 days notice and did they bother to prepare much let alone bug out until it was over?

I like to think big picture and hold the governmnt accountable as well as the general public for their choices and decisions!

The government failed to prepare teh coast for a major storm while the general public made poor decisions of where to reside, etc...

They have insurance I hope and that hould be about it for coverage! Giving out federal loans or aide to build in the same spot is pointless and the local cities should have thought about a major storm and its impact to roads, etc... and have a plan to prevent storm surge, etc...

Others that did not have food and water or warmth were not prepared at all even with 3 days notice, how pathetic is that? And those that could not afford things like that, what was their local governments doing before the storm preparing?

I ask questions, you guys do not thus history will repeat itself, that is same shyt different locale when the nextbig one hits!

Learned nothing from Katrina have we?

@Oxi--I do not hate you nor does anyone else but you need to tone it down. You have made some valid points and I do not disagree with you entirely. Name calling will not win anyone over to your point of view. I would rather live in a country that helped people in times of need than didn't. In parts of Florida you cannot buy any homeowners insurance and that is because those areas are higher risk. In Northern Kentucky where I live we had a terrible flood in 1997 and as a result of that flood any new construction along the river has to be elevated and the lower space is not insured otherwise you will not get a bulding permit and you will not get insurance. Falmouth Kentucky was one of the towns destroyed and the people who lived along the shores of the river were relocated to higher ground and the state bought their land. Parts of the areas where Sandy struck the hardest were once coastal marshlands and because they were developed the damage was much worse. I agree that the taxpayers should not be burdened by paying for someone's bad judgement for building in a flood proned area but when a crisis arises such as Katrina and Sandy I want those victims to get help.

As for auto government bailouts or loans you will not find too many that think this is a good way to run a business. Sometimes it might be necessary but for the most part it is undesirable, it is a bitter pill to swallow. There were a lot of jobs at stake and the impact upon the local and national economy would have been devastating. Those are the reasons I supported the government loans but I am against any other support. As for the Constitution it does not cover a lot of things because when it was written it was a different time. Now we have Homeland security and many of our freedoms have been taken away from us in the name of national security and honestly I am more concerned about that than auto and Wall Street bailouts.

As for the discussion at hand it is about trucks and you are entitled to your opinions as others are entitled to theirs. I like all trucks but I have a preference for smaller trucks because that is all I need and I am comfortable with a smaller size. Others prefer larger trucks for other reasons and that is their choice and which I respect them for that. As for nationality of a product I own many things made by US corporations, Japanese Corporations, South Korean Corporations, Chinese Corporations, German Corportions, and etc. I prefer that the products I buy are made in the USA but as for who owns the business I really don't care. Toyota has been a good corporate citizen in Kentucky and I would not hessitate to buy a Toyota but if I prefer another product based on features and price I will not rule those products out. I am not that much into brand loyalty having owned many brands of cars, trucks, appliances, and lawn equipment and have been overall satisfied with most ot the products that I have owned.

No I do not hate you but tone it down not just for us but for your own health. Myself having high blood pressure I have learned to not get as upset about those things which I cannot control. Saying that does not mean that I am not concerned it is just saying that I pick and choose my battles.

@oxi
Amen Bro! Did you ever wonder what info is in his college records that he would spend millions of dollars to keep them locked...It sure wasn't bad grades...more like he attended college as a foreign exchange student and according to the US Constitution he would be ineligible to be president of the US.
After the 2008 election he admitted he is of the Muslim faith...
he knows he can't blow us up but he sure can bankrupt us!
10 trillion in less than 4 years...more than all the other presidents added together! And the idiots re-elected him!!!

oxi, You cannot argue logic when these liberals argue with their heart.

Now that the Cruze looks more like a Jetta than a Jetta, I'm going to drive one of the new diesels as a candidate for the commuter car.

We'll see if the General can bring us a small truck again, too, with diesel power. I'd love it. When I need to tow my giant backhoe every couple of years, I'll hire someone to do it for a couple hundred bucks.

I am encouraged that GM will be taking diesel seriously for the US. Right now the price premium and ongoing higher cost of fuel makes the increase in efficiency moot but spreading the cost of over 1 million vehicles should help the initial price premium.

GM has committed to the 2.0 in the Cruze and I suspect it will also appear in the Malibu too but for anything weighing over 4000 lbs or with tow/hauling aspects it will likely be too taxed to be of a lot of use compared to existing products.

Mazda has announced that the 2.2 diesel will be coming in the new "6" next year. No final numbers were provided but in Euro spec it produced 173 hp and 310 lbs of torque. This is pretty decent and might be acceptable for a light duty truck (10% more displacement makes a real difference in torque output) or at least will break some new ground towards this goal. I also like that they lowered compression to 14:1 so there is less need for forged/heavy duty parts (ie expensive components) making the motor lighter and cheaper and no need to urea treatment (still uses particulate filter).

It is encouraging to see some potential developments in diesel specific refining going on. That would help increase the supply in the overall fuel mix which should in theory bring the prices down to parity.

I think this is good on a couple of fronts as it can readily be used in personal and commercial transportation use as is (no new distribution system needed like electric only or hydrogen {I am a supporter of electric BTW}) and over time we will be able to produce large quantities of the based fuel from renewable resources like algae and other sources. This is good for net emissions/pollution and for a new source of jobs created "locally" (local as in US jobs but this is transferable to any country to be more self-sustaining) which means less money going to foreign interests that we may not want to be funding.

@ Jeff S,

Thanks for the response...

Most on here do nothing but attack without and logic behind their response, makes me wonder about them and their age!

Listen, I am a trained weather spotter and typically the first to respond to damaged areas because of my mobile spotting and being there first because of having the real-time information that I am relaying to the NWS...

I am in a position to provide assistance first hand and being trained in CPR and first aid also helps and having various tools and supplies in my pickup while spoting is also a plus...

My pickup is all function, no style points and it will perform when needed during severe weather to assist folks less fortunate. It has already assisted getting the Sheriff through and cleaning and removing large trees downed on roads while most passer-by's ignored or locals just sat in their homes, etc...

Folks need to realize that firetrucks and ambulance's and even Sheriff vehicles are not that capable off-road or when large debris is on the roads!

One of my first duties after the storms being a mobile weather spotter is making sure roads are cleared of large debris so first responders can get through without much or any delays to save folks! Every minute counts...

So you will see me after storms have blown through making sure roads are clear just in case. I do this without question hoping to lead by example for those folks that just sit in their homes and do not come out to make sure the roads in front of them are clear because what if something was to happen, etc...

I do not live near rivers or base of large hills or mountains and no way near any shoreline nor any active fault lines!

The worst we get here is straight line wind damage, some hail an maybe on rare occassion a small twister. Heavy rains or blizzards are a nuisance but does not impact us much until power goes out but we have that covered in preparartions!

For most of the readers advocating small (<2.5-liter) diesels in passenger cars and small trucks, they should know that the manufacturing costs of small diesels are not significantly lower than those of commercial, larger diesel engines.

European and Asian manufacturers set up a diesel manufacturing line parallel to their gasoline manufacturing line right after WWII because gasoline was very expensive then, but the US has focused mainly on gasoline-fed ICEs since the beginning of time.

Getting the US to fire up a small diesel-engine assembly plant in the US may not be cost-effective since the cost of each engine would add significantly to the overall cost of the vehicle, unlike with larger commercial diesels that are played to a much broader market. I would not want to pay a full-size price for a pint-sized vehicle with a diesel in it.

What might be cost effective would be to outsource the small diesel engines to existing plants from other manufacturers.

There is plenty of precedence for that over the past decades when frames, engines and transmissions were sourced from existing and competing manufacturers.

But, and here's the clincher, setting up a small diesel engine plant in Mexico or some other undeveloped or underdeveloped country, and importing the engines under NAFTA, might just do the trick of balancing competitive costs.

@Oxi--You actions are commendable and your community appreciates your efforts. I do agree with you on some of your points, I hope GM takes this opportunity to get it right because the American public and Washington does not have the will and support for anymore government loans. We have record deficits and we need to balance our budget. Everyone is entitled to their views and everyone should be treated with respect.

@Oxi -you feel that people make posts without knowledge or insight?
That is definately one thing I cannot be accused of doing!

I've told you this multiple times - it is how you speak down to people that makes you loose credibility. Work on your delivery.

I do agree with some of your comments, but I'll repeat myself again - it is how you deliver your message!
1. People in low lying areas:
Will the USA government force millions of people to move away from high risk areas?
There are 23 million Americans that live within 1 metre of high tide levels. That does not account for storms.
Then there are those who live along river flood plains.
What about places like California that have yearly wildfires?
where does one draw the line at personal versus government responsibility?
2. Bailout - that topic has been beat to death. I'm not a fan of any bailouts.
What DOES your constitution have to do with bailouts? I'm pretty sure that the founding fathers of the USA were neither for or against bailouts.
3. Government mismanagement - well, they keep get voted in. Is a pickup site the appropriate venue for debating those issues? Get politically active - shooting your mouth off at PUTC does not count as political activism.
You blame the Dems for bailout where it was the Repubs that got the ball rolling. They created the "wild west" mentality of success at any cost with poor oversight.

Another thing that I have told you is that you are not the only one who knows trucks, offroading, survival, working in inclement weather, driving, driving fast, racing etc.

Change how you talk to the other readers and you'll do much better.

Your knowledge and experiece is welcome

BUT
your attitude is not.

@Highdesertcat
Diesels of equal engine capacity are more expensive to manufacture, yes. But the costs aren't as great as you would expect. But a modern diesel of equal engine capacity is far more powerful than a gasoline engine

Its seems in Australia a 4 cylinder diesel costs the same as a V6 and a V6 diesel costs the same as a V8.

Gas engines are going to increase in price quicker than diesels due to the emission and mpg requirements. Diesels are already very economical and Euro VI diesels will run in the US.

The HD diesels are starting to be long in the tooth as well and new diesels are needed. I can see in several years HDs using 4-4.5 litre diesels. Their performance is equivalent to a "cheap" commercial diesel by capacity.

The current Euro V8 diesels of about 4-4.5 litres are developing the power and torque of the current HD engines.

For our mid-sizers 2-2.2 litre diesels will be the norm in a couple of years as we already have "cheap" 2.2 litre diesels putting out 190hp and 340ftlbs of torque.

These smaller diesels are decreasing fuel consumption and increasing power dramatically. The Eco Boost on the other hand isn't delivering huge gains in fuel consumption. I'm not saying it isn't better, just it isn't gaining like diesels are.

The killer for diesel is NOx emissions, but their CO2 is much lower than gas. New diesels are very clean now.

I can see diesels becoming more viable as the cost to build lighter more economical gasoline vehicles become more expensive. It wouldn't take much aluminium to increase the price of a pickup to equal the cost of a diesel.

@Highdesertcat
I see a lot of the newer diesels coming from Europe. I.e. Ford and the Transit. So there will be no starting a of a new diesel manufacturing line.

Big Al from Oz | Dec 3, 2012 3:20:10 PM, you got my point exactly. It's the added costs coupled with the smaller size that bugs me.

I would not want to pay a full-size price for a pint-sized vehicle with a diesel in it. I know they do that in Europe and maybe down under as well, but in America? I don't believe so. We like our rides roomy and spacious.

Like most Americans, I've never worried about the price of gasoline. For me, it beats walking so I'll pay whatever the going rate. America grew up with gasoline. Diesel was an afterthought.

I've never been a fan of diesel because now we're competing with the Heavy Transporters that rely on diesel as their primary fuel.

So for me, it will always be a gasoline-fired ICE in all my vehicles. But I can appreciate that some people would want to choose a diesel for their small trucks and sedans.

I respect that. But I cannot forecast that diesels will displace gasoline engines in all classes of passenger vehicles because there is an added cost attached to manufacturing diesel.

If diesels were to become popular, the manufacturers would have to raise the prices of gasoline powered vehicles to match the cost of the diesels in order to be on par. There's no way you can sell a diesel powered Silverado for the same price as a gasoline powered Silverado!

Fullsize pickup trucks with diesels? Yes! I know several people who own them, mostly people who haul and tow, like Snobirds, or people in Construction.

Diesels in small cars and compact trucks? I'm not sure that a majority will form behind that concept, although there will always be a niche market for them as there is always a small group of buyers who will buy anything you toss out on the market, including EVs and diesels.

@ Lou,

The haters are back...

Sorry when you bailout a private company like GM, we now have to talk about them in the auto section!

I am no fan of the 2-party loser system, it does not work but the public here cannot make decisions on their own and are spoon fed either red or blue teams!

I voted for Gary Johnson because I am tired of the 2-party system and I am fighting to have a third party voice on the debates that the blue and red teams make decisions on...

The more you dig into our political system in this nation, the more you get sick! It is horrible and disgusting!

The world's oceans are rising slowly, they will have to move soon when they get flodded out but how dare anybody think ahead and plan in this nation!

This nation only reacts and claim it could never happen to me or the famous not in my backyard!

oxi, I read somewhere, a very long time ago, I can't remember where exactly, maybe even in High School, that America always gets exactly what it deserves because we decide on it the old fashioned way; we vote for it.

That sentiment has always stuck with me, even during the political silly seasons.

BTW, I, too, voted for Gary. I know him, and his wife, personally since they are from my area and he was the governor of my state. I am an Independent, so I vote for the best candidate regardless of party affiliation.

@Oxi - if you word things the way you just did I can see where you are coming from. It makes sense and it doesn't insult anyone. People may disagree but that is different than being angry because one was on the recieving end of a condescending rant.

Keep up that kind of post and we can actually find some mutual ground and walk away with shared respect as opposed to disdain.

@oxi
Having more than 2 major politcal parties can cause problems just as big or even bigger. Look at some of the problems facing multi party coalitions in some European nations.

There is no perfect world to suit anyone, not many condone waste but it does happen, even in your home when you throw away food.

@oxi--I echo Lou's statements, we don't disagree with everything you said nor do we hate you but some of your wording is strong. I agree that neither political party represents the majority and that they are pandering to financial supporters and certain voting blocks. I do not want to see you get upset and leave this website, I value your comments just tone it down a bit. Have a great day and no hard feelings!

@Big Al from Oz --You got me there, so true. Mine is not so much wasting food as buying many things that I never use because they were on sale. Same type of waste, if you do not use it you have wasted your money regardless of how cheap you get something. That is one of my New Year's resolutions to not be as wasteful.

@Highdesertcat.
" I know they do that in Europe and maybe down under as well, but in America? I don't believe so. We like our rides roomy and spacious."

Same as in Australia. Diesel I think eventually will replace gas engines in 1/2 tons . It is being drip fed introduced intitially in smaller doses in SUV's and Vans THEN you will see it in 1/2 Tons.

Is it an established fact that the '14 GMs will have the 3.6 V6 as the base engine?

If so, then that means GM will - at best - approximately match the Dodge & Ford base trucks on power & fuel economy.

Is that how GM defines itself these days? Just by belatedly "catching up" to the other guys...? Really?

Pretty feeble effort IMO.


OldXR guy: there are many elements used in the automobile that have been developed by GM, going way way back is the electric starter, and more recently in the hydro formed frame rails every one is turning to. So to say they are doing nothing but catching up? it is just not so, they may have been lagging because of the unavailable $ problems they have been having lately, but in the end they will be right up there again, we will see what they have up their tech sleeve in just a few week or months. I for one am very anxious to see the new trucks!

I would be nice to see a small diesel powered midsize pickup come to NA, but I would love to see a compact diesel pickup even more. Compact vehicles are smaller and lighter so they should get better MPG. As long as it has RWD/4WD/AWD and can haul 4 x 8 sheets it would meet my needs. I've also got my eye on the Toyota A-BAT compact pickup that may be launched in 2014.

GM isn't giving us a 4.5L Duramax because a week later Gale Banks and Bully Dog both would be offering upgrades to get over 700 TQ from it, and GM doesn't build half tons strong enough to survive that. You'd need a 2500HD frame, transmission, and rear axle.
Even in turbo-diesels, there's still no replacement for displacement. Any output you can get from modifying any V6 turbo-diesel, you could modify the 4.5L Duramax to easily exceed it by a huge margin.

I would like to buy a new Diesel Suburban/ Yukon XL my 1996 GM 2500 Suburban 6.5L has 400,000 miles and I need to replace it. I would buy one in a heart beat if they would build it. I am going to buy some thing with a Diesel in it. Maybe a Ford!.

why is it so difficult to produce a midsize to compact truck with a diesel motor in it - i mean the rest of the world has them and we wont get on the bandwagon - i just dont understand??? is it all epa or are oil companies afraid of the mpg these little beasts get - i mean most are in the range of hybrids - diesels rule the world but yet they cant seem to get them into a small truck that is just ridiculous--- someone in DC must not be getting their pockets lined with enough $$$ to make the leap i guess - typical USA BS

I'd love to see the Colorado a 4x4 diesel with a manual transmission I'd buy that in a heartbeat and ditch my diesel Jetta at that!

A little clearer thought on gas mileage ratings...

Imperial Gallon, used by about everyone but the USA= 160 oz.

US Gallon, used by about no one but the USA= 128 oz.

This explains the difference in mpg estimates between Canadian, European vs USA...

US gallon = 4 quarts Imperial Gallon = 5 quarts

Wow I have a novel idea. Lets combine the 4.5L Diesel engine with CNG technology and then combine that with the Hybrid Technology being used in the Tahoe. I wonder what type of mileage a person could get in a Suburban with this total combination of different technologies. Just saying don't just think out of the box, but build a brand new paradigm.

its about time we are getting on the ban wagon. I WORKED FOR G.M 32 years , sportsmen are looking 2.7 in med size truck.



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