Ford Is the First Truck Maker With Two Diesels

Transit Power Stroke 3.2L I-5 II

While many auto writers focused on recent comments made by GM's Mark Reuss about the possibility of a small turbo-diesel making its way into an upcoming GM pickup truck (we guessed the new Colorado or Canyon), it seems like the automaker's archrivals have some turbo-diesel news of their own. 

Ford has finally announced which turbo-diesel engine will be an option (previously announced) in the all-new-coming-next-year 2014 Ford Transit, ready to debut at the North American International Auto Show next month in Detroit.

The all-new (for North American markets) 3.2-liter inline-five turbo-diesel engine is already being used in the T6 Ford Ranger sold in other European markets. Although no EPA fuel economy or SAE-rated horsepower and torque numbers are available yet, we do know the Ranger is rated at 197 horsepower and 347 pounds-feet of torque (with 90 percent of its available torque between 1,700 and 3,000 rpm) in Europe; additionally, we have heard some chatter on a Power Stroke forum that the engine/van combination could get as much as 23 mpg in one-ton form. 

The new Power Stroke uses an extremely rigid sand-cast gray iron block, an aluminum cylinder head, dual-overhead cams with four valves per cylinder, piezoelectric fuel injectors and a variable nozzle, electronically actuated turbocharger. And to keep it all clean, Ford will use selective catalytic reduction (SCR) and a particulate filter, similar in theory to what is used on the Super Duty's 6.7-liter Power Stroke. 

No announcements have been made about using this engine in any other models or whether or not there will be a "light-pickup" version of the Transit platform (with either the Power Stroke or EcoBoost), but we'll be asking.  

This makes Ford the first truck maker to offer more than one turbo-diesel option to its customers. But if Reuss has his way, it sounds like GM might become the first to offer two different diesel engine choices for their large and small pickups. Of course, you'll remember that there were also rumors that the Ram 1500 could also get a turbo-diesel choice in the near future as well, but we've heard nothing definitive as to that engine would the VM Motori or baby Cummins. We've been hearing about the possibility of a "baby Power Stroke" from Truck Trend Magazine and TurboDieselRegistry.com for some time but it looks like they were both a little off the mark.  

The new Power Stroke diesel engine will be paired with the 3.2-liter EcoBoost V-6 as Transit powertrain choices, and both will use the 6R80 six-speed automatic transmission. The engine itself will be made in South Africa and shipped to the Ford commercial van plant (currently being updated with a $1.1 billion investment) to produce the new Transit. 

To read the Ford press release, click here

Transit Power Stroke II

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Posted on December 10th, 2012 • by David Zatz
Cummins produced its two millionth diesel engine for Ram trucks, the latest milestone in a partnership that spans four decades.

The 6.7 liter turbo-diesel engine, rated at 800 lb-ft of torque and 350 horsepower, is, like all Cummins diesels supplied to Dodge and Ram over the years, an in-line six-cylinder. Distinguished by a “Cummins Red” rocker cover and breather, the historic engine, feted today at a Cummins plant in Indiana, will tour the country.

Fred Diaz, Ram CEO, said, “Both companies have benefited greatly, but Ram diesel customers are the real beneficiaries. Every day they experience the toughness and capability a Cummins-powered Ram can deliver.”

Cummins began supplying engines to Chrysler Corporation in 1988. Today in North America, only Ram-brand pickups and chassis cabs feature the coveted Cummins “C” logo, though Nissan has started using lighter-duty Cummins V-diesels in their commercial vans.

“I am immensely proud of our association with Cummins,” says Bob Lee, Chrysler Group Vice President and Head of Engine and Electrified Propulsion Engineering. “And I have no qualms matching our truck diesels against those of any competitor for performance and durability.”

For 2013, Cummins-powered Rams boast capabilities and features that include:

Best-in-class torque and a 10 percent fuel-economy improvement
Dual-inlet “Ram Active Air” that adjusts induction according to driving conditions
“Smart” exhaust brake
Best-in-class 15,000-mile oil-change interval
B20 (20% biodiesel) capability
Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) with up to 4,000 miles between exhaust fluid refills
Dual fuel filtration for enhanced reliability in virtually every climate and environment
Unsurpassed powertrain warranty – 5 years/100,000 miles
The Chrysler-Cummins partnership traces its beginnings to 1985, when development work began on a 5.9-liter 12-valve in-line 6-cylinder turbo diesel. When it launched in 1989, it was rated at 160 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of peak torque – less than half the numbers for today’s High-Output 6.7-liter Cummins turbo diesel. In the 2013 Ram Heavy Duty pickups, the top-line Cummins engine makes 385 horsepower and a best-in-class 850 lb. ft. of torque.

Cummins diesels account for nearly 80% of Ram Heavy Duty sales; many buyers have claimed to “buy a Cummins diesel wrapped up in a Dodge truck.”
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Posted by: LOU

I'd like to see something this size find its way into the F150 and larger SUV's. The Explorer and Expedition would make a nice home for a small diesel.
The problem is as previously pointed out, North Americans have a fixation on massively powerful engines. I see that mentality all of the time. The gas pedal is used like a light switch - power ON or power OFF.
A small diesel would have people complaining about performance. Ford already basterdized the F450 due to people wanting to be able to drive 85 MPH pulling 19,000 lbs.

I wonder if the Cummins in a Ram will be replaced by a Fiat sourced engine? It would be cheeper for Fiat and since its European divisions are hurting, it would give them more work. Gotta keep those European socialist unions happy ;)
Ram Commercial will most certainly become Fiat's portal for its Iveco trucks.
Guts,Glory,Ram for the EU is on its way.

@Hemi - funny, you posted a fake post by another troll.

Trolls quoting trolls.

Do you guys realize how completed brain dead stupid you make yourselves and other Ram owners appear to be?

@all: For those who want to know, if a user's name below their comment is a link (usually colored blue and underlined) then it will take you to whatever website they have chosen as a URL. In my case, it links to my personal blog page but I'm sure now that I've taught you how to use that URL line in the 'Post a Comment' section of the page, I'm expecting to see a lot of fake websites hit.

@DWFields Thanks I'll check out you're site

@ al kaholic

your right hemi's built in mexico dont support american jobs either. its funny that you didnt read my name correctly, i dont support ram, i'm laughin at them. pot meets kettle you say. no my Tundra was built in the USA supporting american workers. thats what i was getting at.

lets start a fire war
Posted by: HEMIV82 | Dec 10, 2012 9:11:42 PM

THERE IS NO NEED. FORD IS NUMBER ONE IN FIRE RECALLS!
I KNOW FIRST HAND ON MY FAULTY FORD RECALLED IGNITION SWITCH. BURNT TO THE GROUND. SOMETHINGS NEVER CHANGE. LOL

Largest Recalls In History: Who Made #1? FORD!!! LOL

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/largest-recalls-in-history-who-made-1-ar110848/picture405225.html

Alex is right. Mike Levine just "confirmed" on twitter that it will have more torque than the Euro ratings. 400 ft lbs. Maybe. Maybe Not. With a wink and a stay tuned.

@Lou,
I have found a lot of inconsistencies. Maybe a lot of Horsepower but they do in many cases haul a lot less in NA.
What is a big load in the US, can be an average one elsewhere.
Still these small Global diesels and I agree with Big Al ,can be quite surprising devices.


Guts,Glory,Ram

Posted by: Lou | Dec 10, 2012 6:21:04 PM

Ram is the class leader pointing the direction all of the automakers will head towards.

Posted by: Lou | Apr 13, 2012 3:14:19 PM

FYI, Ram doesn't have a full-size van and isn't even in this class.

The HemiV8 impersonators are funny. They sound just as lame as the original.

@Don - Ford's Transit isn't here yet. Ram is going to rebadge some Fiat vans.
GM is probably hoping that all of the traditional van buyers will hate them and flock to the bowtie.

It will be interesting - the only up to date vans in North America will be rebadged Europeans.

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The Econone is here. If Ram is the class leader, where are their full-size vans? Oh, they don't have any yet and haven't for a long time. At least Ford, the class leader, has the E-series still.

Speaking of Ram and Unions....I heard Chrysler has rehired all of those guys who were fired for getting hammered and high on the job.

Chrysler Workers Drinking: Fired Employees Reinstated At Jefferson North Plant In Detroit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html

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The Hemi's are misquoting people on purpose. Lou has already walked back that class leader statement.


Dave, Stop whining! RAM is the CLASS LEADER now. If all you want to do is bash Ram, then stop. This is a pro-Ram post.

Lou,

25 mpg!!!!!

RIP Ford F150. It was nice knowing you.

Ram THE CLASS LEADER is taking out Ford in 2013.

GUTS
GLORY
THE CLASS LEADING
RAM!


Posted by: HEM 426 | Aug 24, 2012 3:58:45 AM


Lou, Between this and the new V6, 4x2 fuel economy soars from last year's 14 mpg city/20 mpg highway up to an estimated 17 city and 25 highway, a massive 20 percent jump that BOOTS Ford's 3.7-liter V6 (17 city/23 highway) off the best-in-class podium. A new Ram 1500 HFE model adds a start/stop system and other tweaks that are good for 18 mpg in the city.

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GLORY
RAM THE CLASS LEADER BOOTS FORD OFF THE BEST IN CLASS PODIUM
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Posted by: mechanic | Aug 24, 2012 4:55:07 AM

Lou, RIP F150.

LOL.

GUTS
GLORY
ASS KICKING FUEL ECONOMY CHAMP RAM!!!!!

Look out Ford and Chevy...............here comes the 2013 RAM. Your days are numbered.

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Keep typing Dave, you might convince yourself one of these sentences.

Ram has best base V6:
V6 FE
V6 Towing
V6 Hauling

Ram has yet to release numbers for Hemi but Motortrend stated:
Hemi 8 speed will tow well over 11,000lbs.
Insideline stated:
Hemi and 8 speed will have better FE then the Egoboost.

And I bet Ram throws a HD airbag setup in for a "max tow/haul" package and sets that max haul up there with the Ferd.

Posted by: AtAGlance | Aug 24, 2012 5:38:32 AM

What we know is the Hemi v8 is proven reliable. Has been on Wards 10 best engine list 6 times. Fords eco and 5.0 are new.
Here is the best part.
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.
Which would you want. A V6 (Ford Eco) that's worse on gas or a V8 that's better on gas and has more horse power? I know which one I would buy. The class leading Hemi V8


@Scout, Hemi V8 came on this site months ago and was cool to ALL! Then TROLLS like Lou, Frank, cory, Keith, Dave, and Mike Levine started in with their Ford truck bull after there precious ford got whipped by the Ram Runner. Hemi V8 is not only one using the hemi name on this site.In fact there are dozens of us. We could care less what you think of Ram or Dodge. Hemi had a P.O.S Ford once it burned from a faulty switch and he lost thousands!

P.S. Hemis can post what ever we want on here so kiss our @$$!

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All best in class Ram!

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Posted by: Norm | Oct 11, 2012 2:05:23 AM

Once the emissions hurdle is concurred we will see a lot more diesels here in the states in my opinion.
As far as maintenance diesels are very easy to take of. Change oil as manufacture recommends, keep fuel filters fresh (every 15K) and stay on top of air filters. All cheap maintenance. My 7.3L has 224,000 trouble free miles so far.
The cost of fuel is more but so is the engine option. Cost is irrelevant when you choose this option. It's a "diesel thing".

@Big Al from Oz--This could get very interesting if GM decides to put a diesel in the Colorado/Canyon twins. If the GM twins sell in any numbers Ford could easily bring over the global Ranger with the option of a diesel. From what I am getting from this article is that Ford is ready to bring a diesel out in a light truck if GM or Ram does it and if it sells. I would not rule out the diesel in light trucks just yet.


What we know is the Hemi v8 is proven reliable. Has been on Wards 10 best engine list 6 times. Fords eco and 5.0 are new.
Here is the best part.
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.
Which would you want. A V6 (Ford Eco) that's worse on gas or a V8 that's better on gas and has more horse power? I know which one I would buy. The class leading Hemi V8


Posted by: HEMI | Dec 11, 2012 12:22:07 AM


What we know is the Hemi v8 is proven reliable. Has been on Wards 10 best engine list 6 times. Fords eco and 5.0 are new.
Here is the best part.
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.
Which would you want. A V6 (Ford Eco) that's worse on gas or a V8 that's better on gas and has more horse power? I know which one I would buy. The class leading Hemi V8


Posted by: HEMI | Dec 11, 2012 12:22:07 AM


What we know is the Hemi v8 is proven reliable. Has been on Wards 10 best engine list 6 times. Fords eco and 5.0 are new.
Here is the best part.
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.
Which would you want. A V6 (Ford Eco) that's worse on gas or a V8 that's better on gas and has more horse power? I know which one I would buy. The class leading Hemi V8


Posted by: HEMI | Dec 11, 2012 12:22:07 AM

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GLORY
PUTTING FORD AND THEIR OWNERS TO SHAME
AND GM TOO
RAM

@Jeff S
If Ford does introduce the global Ranger into the US market it will put the cat amongst the pidgeon. Especially if you can get the Ranger with no "Americanisation" like they are doing to the Colorado. The manufactuers will not provide a vehicle that could out perform your half ton trucks in many areas.

Tom with a Ranger stressed that "it doesn't trump" the Ecoboost engine. He failed to realise a diesel is a different engine and will trump the gasoline engine in economy and it's ability to work. The diesel Transit being a commercial vehicle will appeal to many businesses. He is what I see as a typical person who value progress by how many horsepower an vehicle develops.

I have predicted the change to diesel, but it will be a gradual accustomisation, like Robert Ryan has indicated. I would think this would cost the same or even be cheaper than the Ecoboost Transit.

Once diesel half ton trucks arrive they will eventually outsell gasoline engine trucks. But it is a matter of time now. Diesels are the only way to meet CAFE and EPA standards.

I had had enough of this crap!! I am so sick of the Hemi/Dodge/Fiat trolls on here! The comments have no basis in fact. Dodge is a POS! Always have been! Can the blog administrators remove or BAN HEMIV8 and his other aliases?? I can't stand to read the comments anymore because of this BS!

@ built ford tough

LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT A RAM TROLL! I DONT LIKE THEM AT ALL EVEN THATS WHY THE NAME IS HEMI LOL............ LOL; STANDS FOR LAUGH OUT LOUD which is making fun of the hemi not trolling for them.

If your truck was built so tough then why do none of the doors and trim line up? seems as if it was built so tough then it would be made better?

@Big Al from Oz--Are straight 5 cylinder engines more typical around the World than in the US? I remember if I am not mistaken in another post you commenting that a straight 5 cylinder was more cost effective to build than a V-6. I realize this conversation was in regards to gas inline 5s but would the same be true of diesels. The 3.7 gas inline 5 in my Isuzu seems to have plenty of torque and the acceleration is not too bad. It seems that a diesel inline 5 might be a real good engine. I defer to your expertise but this could be a great choice for a midsize pickup (Global Ranger or call it F-100) for Ford if they choose to use it.

That van sure is one ugly turd BTW.

@hemi lol
I suggest you change your name it is misleading for most but i knew you weren't the same guy. Everyone knows there is only one guy Hemi V8 and his aliases with no life coping and pasting articles all day. The funny thing is i think he seriously believes everything he write and copies..lmao Get a job and life brah! Maybe then you could afford your Ram you read about so much.

this site has become a ford advertisement site. ford its not the first with 2 diesels. vans r not trucks. the hilux offers a 2.5 n a 3.0 disel, while the landcruiser offers a 4.5 diesel. so really, ford isn't the the 1st...

Vans are trucks, they're just not open trucks. As such, they are valid. Now, if you had said, "Vans are not pickup trucks," then you would be right.

You know, I was right; one of the "Hemi" spammers did try to do the flood trick. It didn't work.

You want to spam my site, expect to get banned. You want to offer legitimate discussion, I'll be right in there with you.

if ford get another diesel is because gm is coming whit 2 diesel....wy do you thing ford rush to bring the news..

I suppose dwfields calls windstar, caravan, sienna, oddysey all trucks.

@Big Al from Oz
It is going to be hard to convince people that Diesel vans, pickups and cars are not straight out of "Duel" the movie ,the various trucks that were used spewing out black soot like a steam train.
I also get "first person to an accident" about Cabovers in the US. Persons who make those remarks do not see the irony if they drive a DP Motorhome with the engine in the back. Modern European HDT trucks do not exist in the North America, which is a shame.

Trying to change attitudes is going to be a long hard road as regards diesels.

@Jeff S
We have some 5 cylinder vehicles, though not many. We have a 5 cylinder Ford Focus the XR5. I think it's an AWD turbo. Volvo has had a 5 cylinder vehicle and a couple of other 5 cylinder vehicles, Mercedes, Ssyangyong Musso had a 5 cylinder diesel based on a Mercedes diesel.

The Ford and Mazda 3.2 diesels will probably become the largest selling 5 cylinder engines. The advantage of a 5 cylinder engine is at least on cylinder is in the power stroke at all times. I have read this is supposed to reduce vibrations, I don't know if this is true, it sounds plausible.

@Robert Ryan
You have to remember we were a petrol only society and it started changing 25 years ago. When I was a teenager if someone said to me buy a diesel I would have had a fit. But I think the NA market will change their attitudes once they realise the diesels are very economical. I know diesel sales in the first half of the year increased 28%.

Diesel's will gradually find their way into NA pickups because the alternatives are quite expensive ie, aluminium, all that "bolt on" hardwardware and suspension equipment. This stuff is a waste of research money that could be used elsewhere for more productive outcomes.

I went to Walmart, Lowes and Wawa (coffee) today and saw only a couple diesel HDs, one was actually working. It was pulling a 10' tandem trailer with about a metre of sand (1.5-2.0t) and had a ladder over the cab with a toolbox in the bed. Most of the trucks are Fords and Chevs/GMs were my mother lives. I haven't seen a Ram yet, there must be some around.

I also saw what appeared to be a new NA Ranger. It has the same wheelbase as ours but is narrower and lower.

The other thing that I noticed is the age of the "fleet" over here, most of the cars and trucks are getting on a bit. This will hopefully translate into vehicle sales and create jobs.

I'll get some photos.

@hemi lol you are complaining about foreign engines when duracraps are made by isuzu?

LMFAO. The irony.

@Big Al from Oz-To play devil's advocate one of the arguments against diesels has been that they are dirtier and their emissions have been proven to be cancer causing. There are many trucks on the road that emit large clouds of black smelly smoke and are very loud. After riding the bus to work I noticed that the buses do not smell and they are not as loud. I asked one of the bus drivers why and he told me that the filters are changed on a regular basis and all maintenance is done on a rigorous schedule. That tells me that many trucks on the road are not properly maintained and if they were there would be a more favorable view of diesels. I believe that is a major reason why stricter emmissions standards were adopted for diesels and why many manufacters are using urea to lower the emmissions.

I do agree with you that once the new fuel standards become fully implemented that clean diesels will become more viable because there is only so much carbon fiber, aluminum, plastics, and ligher more expensive material without becoming to prohibitive in cost. Also you will see more versions of hybrids which can vary from mild like what GM's e-assist to more like a Prius which could be either gas or diesel. The next few years will be very interesting.



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