Presidential Ford F-150 Sale to Benefit Charity

Bush Ford F-150 II

The 2009 Ford F-150 President George W. Bush owned and used as transportation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch throughout his presidency will be put up for sale in January at the Barrett-Jackson Auction in Scottsdale, Ariz. 

The King Ranch Crew Cab pickup is likely to have very low mileage because the president has noted that it's been many years since he's driven on public roads. The truck itself is reported to have been used as a work truck at Bush's Prairie Chapel Ranch and is fully loaded with a premium leather interior and all the towing package accessories. 

Barrett-Jackson reports that the truck is likely to go on sale Jan. 19 at approximately 9:30 p.m. The truck has been owned continuously by Bush since he ordered it new from Jim Click Ford in Tucson, Ariz. The title is in the former president’s name and will be transferred directly to the buyer. Additionally, the right airbag panel features Bush’s signature and a copy of a video showing him autographing the truck and driving it around his ranch in Crawford, Texas, will be included with the purchase.

All proceeds from the truck's sale will benefit the Fisher House Foundation, a national program dedicated to assisting America’s military families.

The Fisher House Foundation is best known for the network of comfort homes built on the grounds of major military and Veterans Affairs' medical centers. Fisher Houses are 5,000- to 16,800-square-foot homes that families can stay at for no charge while loved ones are receiving treatment. Additionally, the foundation ensures that families of service members wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan are not burdened with unnecessary expenses during times of crisis. The program has saved families an estimated $192 million in out-of-pocket costs for lodging and transportation.

Fisher House Foundation also operates the Hero Miles program, using donated frequent-flyer miles to bring family members to the bedside of injured service members as well as the Hotels for Heroes program using donated hotel points to allow family members to stay at hotels near medical centers without charge. The foundation also manages a grant program that supports other military charities and scholarship funds for military children, spouses and children of fallen and disabled veterans.


@Southern IL man -
wow, you can tell all that?
and why would it matter even if you could?

A classy act from a man from a classy family. Also the F150 looks like an appropriate ride for a President who enjoyed his time on his ranch. And we can all hope that the truck brings a lot of money to the Fisher House Foundation – a great program that has a great mission. Thanks President Bush. Well done.

@Frank, you lead the pack in stupid uneducated morons, ford took a bailout for their finance arm not to build "more fuel efficient" vehicles. With blithering dumbazzes like Frank supporting ford they will continue to sell their half azzed, less quality and less fuel efficient junk f150's to idiots like frank who I pass in my 14 year old GMC Sierra as frank waits for a tow truck to haul his ford in again.

@TJ - Ford recieved loans to fund plant upgrades and to build hybrids. Governments dole out money to "encourage" building what they (government) want them to build. Ford also recieved loans and had asked for a line of credit. Some of that did support Ford Finance. A loan is different than a bailout. Loans get repaid. Bailouts result in a direct loss of investment.
GMC/GMAC defaulted on 100 billion. BTW, what happened to GMAC? Answer - GMC lost it. The USA government basically bought controling interest in GMC. Since the government paid much more than the actual value of the shares, they stand to recouperate at best 50% of their investment. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know someone will. GM received $49.5 billion from taxpayers, and has returned about $24 billion of that through loan repayments and the sale of stock. The USA still owns 26% of GMC. As far as paying back loans, as previously mentioned, using a government line of credit to pay back a government loan isn't really paying back any money. Go to your bank and try paying off a loan with your Visa and see how far you get.

The only " blithering dumbazzes" is you.

You and Greg related? You make Bob sound like Albert Einstein.

Some experts have stated that Chrysler would of faired much better if they would of stayed away from USA government bailout funds. They might still be American, and unions would of been forced to take major concessions.

Fiscal cliff - term sound familiar? It is all over the news lately.
The USA government spends more than it earns.
Same reason why GMC needed a bailout.
Who will bailout the USA?
The Chinese,and the Japanese are the only countries with enough money to do it. Well, maybe the Indians, and Arabs.

@tj, lmao.


Way to go!

@ Lou

Gay lobby supports Dems
Abortion lobby supports Dems
Anti-gun supports Dems
Anti-military supports Dems.

A former Pres (R) is auctioning his truck for charity and he gets bashed for it..........?

Got to be Dems. I'd love to see more Pres. do this for charity without getting bashed for it, (D) or (R).

I'm pointing out the radicals of the (D) to want to demonize a Pres for doing this.
You have to admit it is pretty petty.

Mark H wrote "Look at that low slung frame and running boards. They are just begging to get hung up out on the job site or farm."

-Please. Same frame height as the 1/2 ton Silverado. And the Super Duty frame is nearly double in ground clearance height of it's Silverado HD counterpart. That's why most people buy them over the Chevrolet's now for 3/4 ton and up work. You're clueless"

Talk about clueless, since the 2011 GM HD new frame has as much clearance as the Ford and Ram.

@Southern IL man
I have been watching Fox News, what garbage. I had a quick look at MSNBC, what garbage. I've been watching business channels as the people commentating are less biased because they are generally economists etc and not a journalist/politician/public servant with an arts degree.

My observation is the Tea Party is as bad as the Dems. They will both destroy the US.

The problems confronting the US is recoverable. The biggest problem is you the American people.

Why do you require assualt weapons and pistols other than target pistols? And don't tell me about assault weapons because I have to qualify every year using one.

It's like sport fishing with a trawler.

What's wrong with abortion? It's not your decision, your are interferring with someones elses freedom. And I bet you use your freedom quotes to describe your rights for weapons.

If you aren't gay, how is a gay going to impact your life?

I lean to the right and a conservative. Maybe a right winger in the US is becoming a nationalist, which can be dangerous.

The bottom-line is the bailouts happened and it's time to get over it. Do I wish it would have been handled differently... sure, but it is what it is and the relentless crying about it isn't going to change a thing. All manufactures have received either bailout funds, taxpayer funded loans or lines of credit. And the reality is Ford was also a beneficiary of the bailouts even though they didn't receive funds directly. Don't forget that in the beginning Ford was also standing in line to receive bailout funds. To their credit they knew that if GM and Chrysler received the funds that they could then ride out the storm and look like a hero for doing it. (well played)... The argument could go on for days how it should have best been handled, but something had to be done or they would have all gone down.

My future son in law against my advice went and bought a new 2013 fusion. Already had to take it back to the dealer for fire risk recall. Reflash the computer. I pray this P.O.S. doesn't kill my grandson by burning the house down.

Probably not a great buy, a tuck that is driven such short distances over a number of years will likely burn oil once you take it out on the highway as its was broke in for low speed low mileage use.

@ Big Al from Oz

I was being absurd to point out the absurdity. Get it...?


@Southern IL man
Sorry, I took it as literal.

@Big Al from Oz--Well said, the Tea Party is a bunch of nut jobs funded by the Koch brothers who do not give a crap about anybody except themselves and if you are stupid enough to believe them then the Koch brothers have succeeded. As for Fox News they are talking heads that are no different than the extreme left who use MSNBC as their propaganda media. Getting back to the subject, where does the donation of an F-150 to aide veterans families get into a discussion about government bailouts and gays? Talk about deviating from the subject matter. Next we will be talking about little green men and flying saucers coming down from the sky and taking over the government and making us all into robots.

@Southern IL man - political ideology needs to be put aside to save your country. If the Dems and Repubs don't figure out how to fix the mess they are in, a depression may occur that will make the "Great Depression" look like a small financial hiccup.

I do agree that the bashing is childish but most of the bashing on this thread has been Ram versus Ford or Chevy versus Ford or vise versa. I haven't seen much aimed at Bush or politics.

I do find your comments about gays, and anti-gun, anti-religion being anti-Republican a great ploy used by billionaire's to keep people focused on the wrong things. Look at who supported the Republicans and Romney and tell me if those people have your interests at heart?
I'm not a believer in abortion for reproductive control. I know and work with gays even though I am not one. I've owned guns for hunting but for most of my live I've wandered through some remote parts of the country without one and fealt absolutely no fear of the wildlife. As my father used to say, "The human animal is the most dangerous one of all".

@Lou--I could not have stated it any better I agree. Thanks.

All hat and no cattle! No true Texan buys a new truck in Arizona to "drive" in Texas...on a Texas Ranch..this sounds shady. Hard to believe he could not find a fully decked out F-150 in Texas..not buying this story.

He has more than one F-series. I've seen him drive others.

Jim Click is a family friend. Here is the connection.

Holmes Tuttle (1906–June 16, 1989) was a successful California businessman and autodealer, and headed President Ronald Reagan's unofficial "Kitchen Cabinet".

His son Robert Holmes Tuttle worked in the White House under President Reagan, and was later Ambassador to the UK during George W Bush's second term.

His grandnephew is Jim Click, one of the largest auto dealers in southern Arizona.


@Flambo - another childish, out of context, incomplete, cut and paste post from the childish president of the rambo motard sheep herder's association.

Any discussion concerning politics, bailouts, and other worldly topics are obviously beyond your comprehension. Run along little boy and go play in your California sand box while we men have a real conversation.

YES, this is a truck forum. You need to take heed of that fact. It ain't a dipsh-t cut and paste Rambo sheep herder wasteland either.

@Clueless in Canada, That's why there is fox news channel you moron. Talk about your gutless 5.4L, spark plug spitting, gas guzzling, 5.5' bed, worthless tow nothing 2010 flaming Furd F150.

OOOOO. Not much to talk about AAAAAAAAAAAA.

The 2013 Ram 1500 has been named The Detroit Free Press Truck of the Year.

Automotive industry journalist Mark Phelan, writing for the newspaper, explained "Chrysler could have gotten away with a mere face-lift for the 2013 Ram 1500 pickup. Instead, it provided a glimpse of the pickup of the future, a truck that combines workhorse capability with fuel efficiency."

"The new Ram 1500 takes a massive step forward in technology and fuel economy, representing the direction the Ram Truck Brand is heading with all its models," said Fred Diaz, president and CEO Ram Truck Brand and Chrysler de Mexico, Chrysler Group LLC.

"We are honored to have an endorsement from the Detroit Free Press and Mark Phelan. This award will be well-received by our dealers and customers, reiterating the fact that Ram has the best truck on the market."

For 2013, the Ram 1500 offers 25-mpg fuel efficiency and a host of improvements you can read about in our First Drive of the truck.

First-in-segment technologies include an eight-speed automatic transmission, stop-start system, thermal management system, pulse-width modulation and active aerodynamics, including grille shutters and active air suspension.

@Flambo - thank you once again for completely proving that you are a childish imature poster that contributes virtually nothing to this site.

As far as comparing trucks, it is laughable at best to compare a 10 year old truck to a 2 year old truck.

Your old hemi is rated at 345hp and 375 lb/ft, towing is a pathetic 7,400 lbs. Haul ratings is also low at 1,280.

My 2010 F150 5.4 SuperCrew 4x4 with 6.5 box is rated at 310hp and 365 lb/ft.
Wow - that stupertruck of yours has 300 cc more but only a pathetic 35 hp advantage and that means nothing since torque is what gets the job done. Yours has a paltry 10 lb/ft advantage.
That is laughable.
Tow/haul - this is where things get really crappy for your Dodge er Ram er Fiat. (Does your inferiority complex stem from the fact that your favorite truck has an identity crisis?)
Your stupertruck is rated to tow 7,400 lbs.
Wow - the F150 Harley and F150 Limited bling bling show boat trucks can tow 7,500 lb.
Oops, sorry - we are comparing stupertruck to my humble F150.
Mine is rated at 9,500 lb tow rating.
Isn't that 2,100 lbs more?????
Hauling - lets see now.....
your stupertruck is rated to haul 1,280 lbs.
My humble F150 is rated at 1,540 according to Ford USA's website, but I'll use the 1,480 lb that mine is actually rated for.
I wouldn't want to do what you do and fudge the numbers to look good.
that works out to 200 lb more capacity for my truck.

Seems to me that when we actually talk trucks, you still look like a simpering fool.

Wait for your 6.4 Hemi Powerwagon............ 6.4 that converts to 390 ci.
Wow - doesn't it bother you that Ram's performance engine is copying the displacement of a Ford engine?

Run along little boy and stop annoying the menfolk.

We all eagerly wait for your next childish and imature post.
(PS - not really, you seem to be a bit slow, so I'll point out that I was being sarcastic.)

Dom, who made some predictions which have come true, said in June that there would be a 6.4 Hemi option for the Ram heavy duty trucks, along with a new transmission to compete with the GM’s Allisons.

Expect a diesel power boost for 2013 HDs to 800 lb-ft with capacity boosts for diesel and gas engines. The Cummins V6 and V8 diesels appear to be delayed until 2013-2014 except for military use (possibly/probably not in Ram trucks) — Nissan will be using one of these new diesels. The diesels will require exhaust fluid, like the Chevy and Ford diesel pickups, but when that change takes place, gas mileage should rise considerably.

Heavy duty Ram pickups will be getting an optional air suspension setup, according to several sources (first was, which said it was only coming on the 3500). One source said the air suspension would be better than the one in the Grand Cherokee. The Long Hauler concept used a Kelderman air suspension in front and rear, for higher capacity with a smoother ride; that model was based on the Ram 5500, which has a leaf-spring rear suspension. The Long Hauler now appears to be a “go” for production.

I think that Ram is the class leader. Posted by: Lou | Apr 13, 2012 3:14:19 PM

I think that Ram is the class leader pointing the direction all of the automakers will head towards. Posted by: Lou

Tradeing in my 2010 F150 for a 2013 Ram soon reason why my tranny just went this really sucks! Ram with 8 speed is a truck i am looking for Hemi V8 i am with you brother.

Posted by: Lou | Oct 26, 2012 12:43:10 PM

Hemi V8 i am with you brother.


Posted by: Lou

“Ram 1500 production began just a couple of weeks ago, and our dealers are really excited to get them,” Diaz said. “The 2013 Ram 1500 is setting a new standard for the industry.” Never shy about hyperbole, Diaz is clearly excited to get production trucks into dealers' hands


2013 Ram 1500: First Videos

Posted by Mark Williams | August 24, 2012

It may look similar to the 2012 model with a quick glance, but the 2013 Ram 1500 is a significantly different, more high-tech beast with substantial mechanical, styling and technological updates. There’s a new eight-speed transmission, Pentastar V-6 engine, air suspension, touch-screen multimedia system and much more. Does it all come together to make the new Ram the segment leader? Watch the videos (above and below) to learn more.

Comments (56) in First Drive, Light-Duty, New Trucks, Powertrains, Ram 1500, Ram Brand, Road Test


These new Ram trucks are awesome in every way. It's tempting me to trade in my perfectly good 2003 Dodge Ram. This was a model refresh, WOW. They did a great job. Congrats to the RAM
brand. I have a lot to look forward to.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 24, 2012 1:07:58 PM

Again in the video Mark says best in class 18 mpg when reveiwing a crewcab. I am beginning to wonder if he is just purposely ignoring or even knows 18 mpg is for regular cab only. Besides that they were good videos.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 24, 2012 2:09:19 PM

Mark may not even know 18 mpg is for a regular cab. He may not even know 18 is for a RC, short bed, 4x2 with 3.21 and a hard tonneau cover. I am beginning to wonder.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 24, 2012 2:19:56 PM

2013 Hemi vs Ford EcoBoost and Chevy. Unscientific, but Ouch!

Posted by: Ford850 | Aug 24, 2012 2:24:15 PM

Dave, What difference does it make? Mark NEVER said 18 mpg wasn't for just regular cabs! He just said Ram. I don't understand what your beef is? They are ALL Ram trucks and that is all that matters! 25 mpg HWY is for ALL CABS!!!!

2013 RAM!

Posted by: HEMI MAN | Aug 24, 2012 2:28:35 PM

Class of the field by a wide margin. Great job RAM!

Posted by: Ian | Aug 24, 2012 2:36:22 PM

7.682 sec in 0-60 - 2013 Ram 5.7L : (
7.444 sec in 0-60 - F150 Ecoboost

Posted by: Frank | Aug 24, 2012 2:44:13 PM

Frank, And that's with the 8 speed vs the 6 speed.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 24, 2012 2:53:03 PM

I hope Mark tests a2013 stripper truck soon. Not everyone wants a $40k truck.

I just use my truck as a garden/landscape hauler. What does that interior look/feel like-and does the v6 and new transmission haul from a stop with a load in the bed?? The new v-6 seems down on torque to me.

Posted by: Mike Gephardt | Aug 24, 2012 3:55:06 PM


They should give the ram 2 extra gears, a 10 speed would probably inch a tenth of second.

Posted by: Frank | Aug 24, 2012 4:12:46 PM

give ram credit they do a good job,,gm and ford a job to do...

Posted by: miath | Aug 24, 2012 4:38:44 PM

Frank & Dave, Stop complaining about products you don't have the GUTS to buy or drive!

2013 RAM!

Posted by: MECHANIC | Aug 24, 2012 5:25:35 PM


Why should I buy a Ram if the ECOBOOST clearly beats it. That is the slowest CLASS LEADING 395 HP I ever seen.

I am telling you, Ram needs a 10 speed.

Posted by: Frank | Aug 24, 2012 5:33:10 PM

The driver in that video must suck if 7.682 sec is the fastest he could do in the new Hemi Ram 1500. That has got to be the slowest time for the EB F150 I have seen yet. I guess what they say is true if you don't have 504hp/550lbs ft with a 4.30 axle ratio you might as well be walking.

Posted by: 5.3L LOL | Aug 24, 2012 5:41:04 PM

It's good to see Fiat's input into the Ram has is making it more competitive. I do hope it sells and employs people.

As for the looks, it reminds me of a Korean Ssangyong designed vehicle. This is how I would envisage a large Asian pickup would look. It's uglier than my Mazda. I do think the F series Fords are much better looking. But looks are subjective.

All of the electronic gadgetry is great, I'm pleased to see a pickup design transferring car technology. There might be some issues with the new technology.

The biggest factor of unreliable electronically controlled components is the factory workers understanding and installation of it. This technology has been proven reliable as it is not new.

I hope the rumoured testing of the V6 VM diesel is slotted into the Ram, as it would give even better fuel economy than the Pentastar V6.

The V6 diesel would more than give the little V8 a run for its money and give better fuel consumption than the Pentastar. Due to the characteristics of the diesel you could get away with a 6 speed box.

Judging by the costs associated with the 8 speed gearbox the diesel should also be competitively priced.

Great effort from the Fiat inspired Ram. Maybe Fiat will it's brands in NA around for the better.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Aug 24, 2012 6:49:56 PM

I will start proof reading my grammer, sorry.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Aug 24, 2012 6:53:17 PM


Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Aug 24, 2012 6:55:55 PM

I love the interior of that Ram. Good looking truck. I wonder how the new Chevy will compare? I bet there are going to be some engineers at GMC putting in some overtime.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 24, 2012 7:14:47 PM

0-60 under 8 seconds is important for a truck why?

Posted by: woopud | Aug 24, 2012 7:41:14 PM

Look. People are different. People's needs are different. Different trucks are built to meet the needs and desires of different people. Quit trying to say that "your" truck is the best for all purposes; it isn't and I don't care how much you insist otherwise. These articles are about trucks to let readers like us know what's coming out. If I were the administrator of this web page, I can promise you that many of you would have been banned for your childish comments and those comments deleted as soon as they were discovered. I asked in these forums one time to have certain off-topic posts deleted; the administrators did so. Keep it up and I'm going to start publicly making that request more often.

Posted by: DWFields | Aug 24, 2012 8:02:07 PM

I would suspect they are high school kids. They probably don't have enough pocket money to buy a Matchbox model of a Ram pickup and their parents are paying for the internet access they use.

I remember when I was in high school being aligned to something was significant. Boys generally tried to align themselve to a vehicle make.

When they mature at about 25 years of age (according to actuary research) they will view life through a different lens.

Don't let them get to you, if you do they have won.

Posted by: Big Al from Oz | Aug 24, 2012 8:18:59 PM


A 10 speed? Is that the bike you ride to work? LOL!

MARK WILLIAMS & 2013 RAM!!!!!!!

Posted by: HEMI | Aug 24, 2012 9:45:53 PM

2013 is supposed to be a short run i think. 2014 should have 3.6 with 8 speed, 3.0 diesel with 8 speed, and hopefully they will finally drop the 6 speed from the hemi leaving 5.7 with 8 speed. maybe a 6.4 will come to the 1500s as well. guys this is only the introduction. 4.7 is already scheduled to end production in mid 2013. it is basically just a filler motor until the diesel comes.

Posted by: Josh | Aug 24, 2012 10:19:35 PM

@Big Al from Oz - highschool kids? Most kids aren't interested in trucks or cars.
What is really pathetic is the fact that there are people who need identify themselves with a certain truck or brand tribe just to make themselves feel better about themselves.
I knew a guy who was a Harley fan but always rode with proper leathers and full faced helmet. He was telling me about a time where some "biker" types were bugging him about his helmet and riding gear choice. He did not meet the "dress code" which is usually a beannie helmet, leather vest, cut off sleeve T-shirt, jeans, leather chaps, fingeless gloves, and lineman boots.
His reply, "I don't care! I had a personality before I bought a Harley".
An appropriate metaphor for PUTC.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 24, 2012 10:59:06 PM

My Dad can beat up your Dad.

Posted by: Bert | Aug 25, 2012 7:30:33 AM

FORGET DODGE coming for CHEVY! THAT's a Done Deal! We're going STRAIGHT TO THE TOP! I'm looking a YOU FORD! OUR HD is EVERY bit as good as yours with our swing arm coils SFA that WE came out with in 1994! Now our 1500's are gonna KICK YOUR ASS. SCREW #2. That will be Ford's new spot! Either way Chevrolet will be #3 or WAY DOWN LOWER. DODGE WILL BE #1!!

Make the BEST trucks in the world, Make the Most Money in the world. It's THAT simple. Then we'll finance cars to destroy the rest of these crap brands.

Posted by: MoparMadness | Aug 25, 2012 9:54:16 AM

Look at the offorad truck in black going over those dirt hills on the top video. The Chevy HD's frame would be dragging all the way across the dirt it's slung so low. Chevy's design is pathetic.

Posted by: Justin | Aug 25, 2012 10:01:03 AM

Interesting article.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 25, 2012 4:44:17 PM

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN ..............................

Posted by: cory | Aug 25, 2012 6:31:42 PM

This Ram is pretty boring and lame!! 8 Speed tranny boring junkie new v6 that feels like a 3 cyl boring. Ppl that buy this junk are smoking way to much J its makeing u think u have the best when its just plan crap!! Only truck thats worth buying is a nice Ford f seris.

Posted by: Harleyf150 | Aug 25, 2012 7:38:52 PM

@ Hemi V8 - did you read that link all the way to the bottom? The author's query was "Does The 2013 RAM Truck Finally Have The Ammo To DO SERIOUS Damage To Ford's F-150?" The first 1/2 of the story is a cut and paste from Chrysler's press kit. He then goes on to list where he feels the Ram is better and where the Ford is better. One of his last comments flies in the face of the first 2/3rds of the story when he says:
"So what's my FINAL verdict?
If I were in the market right now, I would have to give a slight edge to the RAM because of these two key things that are most important to me.
1. The RAM is just nicer to drive and that new air suspension is AMAZING!
2. I like the new RAM interior better than the F-150. Looks way more expensive in the high end models."

After all that he claims the Ram has a "SLIGHT EDGE" over the Ford.

One can take this anyway they want. I do like the Ram and it comes with an impressive array of new features.
"Slight edge" isn't going to be enough.

The dark horse(s) in this field is(are) the Sierra/Silverado.

They have everything to prove and everything to loose.

Until they release their trucks, I'm not going to be foolish enough to crown any truck "King of hill".
Who knows....... the new king may be wearing a bowtie!

Posted by: Lou | Aug 26, 2012 12:56:27 AM

Mark - I just started to like You man, because You're one of the few US-automotive journalist who aren't blind during daytime and need all the possible vehicle lights on while driving (even when vehicle equipped with DRLs) all the damn time - thumbs up man!

Posted by: ARON | Aug 26, 2012 9:35:49 AM

@HEMI V8 - every post you've ever made on this site indicates which engine, truck, and company you love better than anything else in the world.
What if Chevy comes out with a superior V8 to the 5.7 Ram? coupled to a superior drivetrain, and in a better truck?
Would you go out and buy that truck since you seem to want "class leading" trucks.

You can't make a comment like "The class leading Hemi V8" because no one has done a comparison test yet.
Everything looks like the Pentatick V6 engine is class leading as well as the Ram air ride suspension. The ZF 8speed looks class leading as well.
The verdict is still out on the 5.7 "Hemi" coupled to the 8 speed.
If you look at the under 30K shootout - the Tundra 5.7 beat the Ram in every performance test. The Tundra was also a heavier truck. The only 5.7 I see that is still class leaing has IForce on the badge.
The 5.7 "Hemi" is a good engine but I would not call it class leading (unless that class is confined to pushrod V8"s)
Like I said before - the dark horse in this race is the Chevy.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 26, 2012 9:47:46 PM

What we know is the Hemi V8 is proven reliable. Has been on Wards 10 best engine list 6 times. Fords eco and 5.0 are new.
Here is the best part.
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.
Which would you want. A V6 (Ford Eco) that's worse on gas or a V8 that's better on gas and has more horse power? I know which one I would buy. The class leading Hemi V8

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 27, 2012 12:17:23 PM

@CutandPasteHeminews - how original

Posted by: Lou | Aug 27, 2012 5:19:47 PM

@Hemi V8....I find it hilarious that you spout off about how great the 5.7 Hemi is. What makes it so great, after all it's not really a hemi is it. Just Chrysler marketing hogwash. Your beloved Hemi heads combustion chambers are more similar to the Toyota 5.7 i-Force than to a true hemi. Not that I don't think it is a good engine, but you fail to give credit to other manufactures where credit is due. You come off as an idiotic Fan Boy who just spouts off to see who will reply. I am personally a Ford guy, but I do like the Dodge line of trucks. However, they will always be #3 in the US truck market.

Posted by: osuweldengr | Aug 27, 2012 8:09:39 PM

The Hemi is a good motor, but in this world technology advancement determines which company leads and right now Ford has the highest technological engines in any pick-up. That along with the strongest frames, great durability and toughest leads to the best sales. A Hemi compared the ecoboost 3.5 is not a even a premium engine (pushrods),and Ford left a lot of power on table with the Ecoboost. This can be seen in cold air aftermarket products and exhaust systems. Engines like the Ecoboost and 5.0 power are being hold back by Ford. Remember Ford is already working on the next F150 2014, with even more technology.

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Posted by: ipad 3 sleeve | Aug 28, 2012 9:54:19 PM

@latwood, Wards 10 best engines list.
Ford= 5.0 2x

Ford=3.5 1x

Chrysler=5.7 6x

Chrysler=3.6 2x and counting.

With Ford being so tech over Chrysler(according to you) how come Chrysler leads in wards 10 best awards for their engines?

This new model refresh on the Ram blows Ford away. New Rams are coming out soon too.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 28, 2012 10:21:04 PM

@Hemi V8 - Dude, you need to read stuff other than Alpar or Chrysler press releases. Why don't you google wards auto Top 10 lists.
The 5.4 Modular shows up 5 times, the 4.6 Modular shows up 6 times for a total of 9 times.
Does that mean the Modular Ford line is better than the Hemi 5.7 line?

Why don't you look up V6 engines on that list. Chrysler has only 2. Ford has only 2. GMC has 8 V6's on the list.
Does that mean GMC kills Chrysler and Ford in the V6 department?

Ford's much malligned 6.0 Corn Binder diesel is on the list and so is the Cummins 5.9. It is listed as a Cummins engine not a Chrysler engine. The 6.6 Duramax is listed as "Isuzu (General Motors)".
Does that mean all of those engines are equals?

If you look at Ward's Auto Top 10 for the 20th century - there isn't a single Chrysler engine on the list.
Does that mean Ford (2 engines), Chevrolet (2 engines), Cadillac (1 engine), BMW (1 engine), Honda (1 engine), Porsche (1 engine), Toyota/Lexus (1 engine), and VW (1 engine) all make better engines than Chrysler?

Take the blinders off. You might find a beautiful world out there.

@latwoods - one could argue that SOHC or DOHC is more advanced than cam in block engines, but that would probably end up being a technical discussion beyond the knowledge/tecnical level of most of us on this site. There are pro's and con's to both.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 28, 2012 11:07:51 PM

oops - for a grand total of 11 times.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 29, 2012 12:13:45 AM

@Lou, News flash! Ford does not build the 5.4L 4.6L anymore.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 29, 2012 11:58:17 AM

@Lou, Dude, why don't you read what latwoods said. I don't see 5.4 or 4.6 anywhere in his statement. How is less horsepower and less gas mileage high tech?
5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.

What does Ford or Chevy have that match the horsepower and fuel efficiency of the legendary Chrysler 5.7 Hemi?

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 29, 2012 12:12:10 PM

@Hemi V8 - latwoods said that the Ford engines were more high tec. You used Ward's Auto Top 10 engines to show that Chrysler makes better engines.
To quote you " With Ford being so tech over Chrysler(according to you) how come Chrysler leads in wards 10 best awards for their engines?".
I was pointing out the shortcomings of your arguement.
You turned the discussion into "who had the most awards" contest.
That would mean Ford and Chevy has more awards than Chrysler.
Now you turn it into a debate about engines that are currently being made.
OK - the 5.4 is used in the Shelby Mustang. Therefore it still counts.
The V10 is a modular engine that is still being made. Therefore modular engines still count.

How childish do you want to make this discussion?

Please prove to the readers of this site that the 5.7 and the Pentastar are vastly superior to what the competition builds?
Do you have third party test results, or affidavit's from engineers attesting to the Hemi or Pentastar superiority?

Chevy has way more V6 engines on the list than that of Chrysler. To use your logic, that means Chevy makes better V6 engines.

I read what latwoods said, and I read what you said. It appears to me that you can read okay, but are severely lacking in comprehension and impartiality.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 29, 2012 6:57:00 PM

@Lou, This is all the proof I need. 5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 with Fuel Saver Technology and variable-valve timing (VVT) provides 395 horsepower, 407 lb.-ft. of torque and best-in-class fuel economy for V-8 trucks, beating competitive turbo V-6 engines.

@Lou, I love how you switch from ford to G.M. when ever you think It will help your argument. How funny! You are pathetic Louis.
What does Ford or Chevy have that match the horsepower and fuel efficiency of the legendary Chrysler 5.7 Hemi?

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 30, 2012 4:13:35 PM

RAM has Best in Class V-6 fuel economy, Best in Class V-6 towing.

Posted by: HEMI V8 | Aug 30, 2012 4:53:17 PM

@Hemi V8- for you Rambo Motard Goat Herder Clansman, all you need is a Ram's head and a Hemi badge to prove to you that your brand is the best.

Your lame assed cut and paste posts trying to support your claims are truly pathetic. The cardinal rule of research and "best practice" is corroborating data or research. That means you verify your sources and find other data that confirms it.

You used Ward's to prove the Hemi, and the Pentatick were the best out there. You did not read Ward's Auto lists, and Chrysler and Alpar advertising minions go on the premise that most people are sheep er goats like you. That would be people who do not think for themselves. That would be people who swallow their BS by the shovel full.
You cannot deny that fact since I am always able to poke all sorts of holes in your cut and paste world.
Have you been able to shred any of my posts? (with factual information)

You and your sources are guilty of the same sin - "selective dissemination of information". You post only what will prove your point, and those posts are usually out of context. That is advertising misinformation/disinformation at its finest. One isn't lying but one sure as hell isn't telling the whole truth.

I guess that you will now go boo hoo, Lou has violated our truce.
Almost every post you make is troll based.

You may not see it but the rest of us do!

PUTC needs to set up a therapy group for you and Bob.

Posted by: Lou | Aug 30, 2012 7:41:41 PM

Detroit News says the 13 Ram 4x4 V6 Pentastar is rated at 17 city and 23 highway. The Hemi should be a couple mpg worse than that. So figure about 15 city and 21 hwy for a Hemi 8 speed 4x4. Which is the same as EcoBoost 4x4 6 speed at 15 mpg and 21 hwy.

Knowing Ram they will probably come up with another tall gear Regular Cab with a Tonnea Cover gimmick that gets 22 mpg.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 30, 2012 9:01:30 PM

Dave you are such a dipshit. It has been stated here many times for you that all the 4x2 trucks with 3.6 get 25 MPG and no special cabs, bed lenghts, bed covers, air suspension, rear gear raio, or HFE package is required to get the number. I am sure the 5.7 will be the same.

Pull your head out of your ass, the lack of oxygen is causing you to go full retard.

Posted by: WARFISH | Aug 30, 2012 10:43:58 PM


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@Hemi V8--You need to grow up and act like a mature adult. My comments were to point out that an article about a truck of a former president being auctioned off to help soldiers and families is not a forum for politics or antigay statements. Whether one likes the former president or the brand of truck does not really matter it is a feel good article about a good deed being done for our soldiers. I am sure that the families of these soldiers could care less about if the truck to be auctioned off is class leading.

@Lou--You are correct most teenagers and young adults are not interested in cars and trucks and are more interested in gaming, tweeting, texting, twittering, and what the latest mobile device out there. It is immature adults like Hemi V8 that never matured and are stuck in the time warp of their high school years. Nothing is more pathetic than a grown adult that has not matured beyond the level of a teenager. The rest of us and his family have to be inflicted with his immature words and actions and hope that he either grows up or gets lost.

@latwoods--Good points. Ford can only encourage the other manufactures to develop better and more efficient engines by releasing the Ecoboost engines and with products like the new 2013 Fusion and the 2014 F-150. Ford deserves recognition for this and as you stated the hemi engine is a great engine but there is newer technology out there. GM makes a great V8 as well but it is not the latest technology. It is always good when competition creates an environment where one manufacturer ups the ante with a newer and improved product and causes others to innovate as well to compete.


Posted by: HEMI V8 | Dec 29, 2012 4:11:29 PM

My future son in law against my advice went and bought a new 2013 fusion. Already had to take it back to the dealer for fire risk recall. Reflash the computer. I pray this P.O.S. doesn't kill my grandson by burning the house down.

@Hemi--I have had 3 Ford products and I never had one catch on fire. One is a 2000 Taurus which my wife has had for over 12 years and it has never caught on fire. The Taurus has been very reliable and one of the best running vehicles we have ever had. It has a 24 valve V6 with an overhead cam and has the acceleration of a V8.

@Lou, Check out these numbers.

PRICE: $21,380 - $39,010
ENGINE: 4.6L V8 - 5.4L V8
HORSEPOWER: 248 - 310 hp
TORQUE: 294 - 365 lb-ft
SIZE (L x W x H): 213.1 x 78.9 x 71.5 in.
243.7 x 86.3 x 78.4 in
WEIGHT: 4743 - 5820 lbs
0-60 MPH: 7.9 sec (5.4L V8)
1/4 MILE: 16.2 sec @ 87 mph (5.4L V8)
TOP SPEED: 96 mph (5.4L V8)
FUEL (CITY/HWY): 14-15/18-20 mpg

2010 RAM 1500
PRICE: $20,610 - $32,660
ENGINE: 3.7L V6 - 5.7L V8
HORSEPOWER: 215 - 390 hp
TORQUE: 235 - 407 lb-ft
SIZE (L x W x H): 209.0 x 79.4 x 74.6 in.
231.0 x 79.4 x 75.2
WEIGHT: 4525 - 5071 lbs
0-60 MPH: 7.4 sec (5.7L V8)
1/4 MILE: 15.7 sec @ 91 mph (5.7L V8)
TOP SPEED: 108 mph (5.7L V8)
FUEL (CITY/HWY): 13-14/18-20 mpg







@Jeff S. Government safety investigators have opened a preliminary probe into throttle cables on 310,000 Ford Taurus and Mercury Sables to see if there is a defect that could cause runaway cars.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it has received about 50 complaints alleging that throttles became stuck open in model year 2000 to 2003 Taurus and Sables equipped with 3-liter V-6 Duratec engines.


Lou, Do you feel the need to repost all my past posts under the HEMI name?

Hemi V8,

If you're old enough to have a son in law, you must be in your 50's. Why do you act like a child?

@Don, I am young at ;)

Hemi V8 is for for-EVER YOUNG?

But whatever road you choose
I'm right behind you, win or lose
Forever young, forever young

@flambo - you cut and paste meaningless drag race specs. Tow and haul specs indicate your 2003 is pathetic. You knowingly bought a truck rated to tow 2,100 lb less than what you are towing.
That fact proves the same thing that all your posts prove.

Keep making all of your childish immature posts. As Jeff pointed out, if you are old enough to have a son in law, that means you should of developed some wisdom and maturity.
Your posts prove otherwise.
Truth be told, you present yourself as an immature fool.
You make Dodge guys look like immature fools.
Keep making youself look like a baffoon.

Sad little sheep herder.

@HEMI V8 --I am sure that if my Taurus is effected I will get a recall since we are the original owners. It has been a great car and on the open road it gets a consistent 27 mpgs. Thanks for the warning I will be on the lookout for any recalls. Otherwise we have gotten our money out of the Taurus and it still runs and looks new with 70k miles. I have been satisfied with most of the vehicles I have owned and I adher to the severe use maintenance schedule meaning I do maintenance such as oil changes at 3k and other maintenance sooner than what is average.

@Lou, Did you see the RAM out tow the higher tow rated Ford up hill?



P.S. LOU, Bought the trailer long after the Truck. She handle's the trailer just fine. Smooth. That Hemi gets it done. The 4.56's don't hurt for towing neither.

@Flambo - you were the one who said your 2003 truck was better than my 2010 truck.
I compared your truck to my truck.
Obviously not for you.
I NEVER said my truck was better than a 2010 or newer truck.

As usual, you change parameters of the discussion to prove that your identity crisis of a truck (is it Dodge, no wait its Ram, was owned by Germans, now owned by Italians) is superior to everyone else.

Keep waiting for your 392 6.4 litre Hecho en Mexico truck.

The 2013 you keep bragging as superior isn't even on the roads yet.
That 8 speed is German. ZF transmission = Zahnradfrabrik Friedrichshafen transmission.
Wow - I can see you bragging that one up.
The 2013 Ram 5.7 (not really a Hemi) and 8 speed Zahnradfrabrik Friedrichshafen transmission made FOR Fiat is vastly superior to the American trucks (read Ford and GMC).

I guess it doesn't really matter since you are buying a heavy duty Ram.

Hecho en Mexico La Oveja Rama Trabajo Pesado.


More brand confusion/identity confusion for you.

Don't some of those HD trucks come with a "hack" "cough" "gag" Japanese Aisin transmission?


A German Transmission and a HD Japanese transmission.

Does that mean Chrysler doesn't know how to build transmissions and those Italians know it and outsourced some reliable stuff?

Looks that way.

The dealer in my neighbourhood has bought property to build - quote " state-of-the-art Chrysler Jeep Dodge Fiat and Alfa Romeo dealership"

Please note the Fiat part right after the Dodge part.

I can see why your posts are so confused and disfunctional - your identity is tied to a company that doesn't really have an identity.

Sad little sheep herder.

Your therapist must be making a fortune off of your union shop covered medical expenses.

Still on the oxycodone?

I'm not seeing any posts from a guy with a clear head!

@Sad little sheep herder - So you bought your trailer after you bought your truck!

You knowingly bought a trailer that empty was at the maximum of your truck's rated capacity.

That is somehow better than buying the truck after buying the trailer?

Sad little sheep herder.

I like President Bush's F-150, particularily like the white with the gold touches on the bottom. I find the truck attractive and I commend our former president for caring enough about the soldiers and their families to auction off his truck for them. Why not use this as an example of what to do and that more of us should follow this charitable act.

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