It's Official: Ram 1500 to Get V-6 EcoDiesel

2013 Ram Tradesman II

It's official: The Ram 1500 will be the only half-ton pickup to offer a small turbodiesel as one of its engine options. Set to go on sale by the third quarter of this year, the Ram 1500 will get the same small turbodiesel that's supposed to go into the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, which is the VM Motori 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel rated at 240 horsepower and 420 pounds-feet of torque.

According to USA Today, Fred Diaz, CEO of Chrysler's Ram brand, said that customers have been asking for this and, according to some sales experts, the move is likely to add as many 10,000 sales annually. Pricing has not been announced but it's likely the diesel option will be more expensive than the Hemi premium engine option, meaning several thousands above the base 4.7-liter V-8/six-speed transmission combination. We expect the new ZF eight-speed transmission will be the standard transmission. 

No word yet on whether there will be a manual or automated-manual transmission option. 

This new engine option will make the Ram half-ton the first in the current segment to offer the torquey motor, and it is likely to significantly help the lineup improve its fuel economy averages. Pricing and EPA mileage numbers will be released closer to the on-sale date, but fuel economy numbers for the Grand Cherokee, on average a few hundred pounds lighter than a Ram 1500, are 21 city/30 highway (EPA estimates) for the 4x2 and 20 city/28 highway for the 4x4. Those numbers are likely to be similar for the half-ton truck as well.

To read the full press release, click here

2014 VM Motori 3.0L V-6 engine II

Quick Specs

Type and Description            60-degree V-type, liquid cooled

Displacement                       182 cubic inches, 2988 cubic cm 

Bore x Stroke                       3.27 in. x 3.60 in., 83mm x 92mm

Valve System                       Chain-driven DOHC, 24-valves

Fuel Injection                        Common rail, solenoid injectors, 2000 bar

Block Construction                Iron block, aluminum heads

Compression Ratio                15.5:1

Assembly Plant                     VM Motori Cento, Ferrara, Italy

  2014 ZF 8-spd II

 

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Please give your own opinion about this salesforcast

"Being first with a standard-duty diesel pickup could attract 10,000 additional buyers the first year, more after that — if the price is right — predicts Jesse Toprak, veteran industry watcher at TrueCar.com."

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/driveon/2013/02/13/ram-diesel-chrysler-first/1917131/

Only 10.000 ?

Johnny boy, I was giving you a thumbs up for not being a raging fanboi idiot like so many around here.

Anyway, I like that Ram is doing this and I wish it had been sooner. I wouldn't have a daily driver and tug (F150) if this had come out a year ago. I would have just bought this and used it for all my needs.

Really Chrysler... EcoDiesel.... EcoBoost. You had to rip off Fords name. Ford had the idea first for a half-ton Diesel in the mid 2000's, it was based off a Navistar International engine.

@Big AL from OZ

Good point, I was thinking the stock #'s down three would be a little short for a full size but I didn't even think about them bumping the power up which would be easy. Under cut the price of the dodge version and give better MPG and similar power and towing would be awesome.

Thanks, I plan on getting the new Colorado/Canyon but would be doing alot of weighing on the difference from a strong V6 with descent mileage/power and the 2.8 which should no doubt come here.

agentorangeftworth: can you remember the Dodge diesel pickup from the 70's? guess not! even though it was a mitsu. engine, it was a diesel, very similar to the diesel that intrnation Harvester use in the Scout II, and they made that into a p/u back in the 70's also!

Great news!

Now if only they could do something about the lackluster payload ratings. If they can boost that up to 1800 lbs in a crew or quad cab then they'd have a Ford and GM beating truck.

X2

Great discussions guys. I'm happy overall with the sensorship of the trolls.

The debate of 3.5 Ecoboost versus 3.0 ecodiesel is interesting. The choice of engine should be based more on end usage. Occasional towing and a lot of stop/start driving should favour the Ecoboost. The diesel due to diesel fuel's inherent energy advatage should yield better mpg under load and at higher highway speeds which in some respects equates to a load.

Ram could expand the use of this engine by offering it in light duty 3/4 tons. That is where any mpg gain is needed and would be much welcomed. The Power Wagon in the 4x4 shootout got 11.9 mpg overall. I suspect that much better numbers could be gained with this engine. 1/2 tons being lighter and lower to the ground etc would not see the same mpg boost over their gasser counterparts.

I have to agree with the put up or shut up comment. Guys have been clamouring for a diesel 1/2 ton for a long time. Here is your chance to buy one.
I personally will have to do a cost benefit analysis before considering one. The last truck I had was a 3/4 ton. In 1990, I figured it would take 160,000 km or 100,000 miles to get a payback. in 15 years I racked up 176,000 km. Lucky for me, I chose a gasser.

@Tyler
Diesel engines are a bit different to gas engines when it comes to hp vs cubic inches. Also, number of cylinders is a little less important.

Diesels can be boosted and boosted to infinity (figure of speech) to gain power and torque. The only problem more pressure equates to more NOx.

We have a Kia diesel (designed in Germany) of 2.2 litres that is nearly as powerful as the current Colorado 2.8 diesel.

@ Alex: It is not the same engine that jeep exports.It is however the same MAKE.The Jeep Wrangler JK Diesel,(for export only,since 07) is the VM Motori 2.8L 4 cyl CRD,NOT the v6 that will be used in the Ram 1500.The GC will however have the option of the 3.0L V6 same one that will be offered in the Ram.

@lohchief, I never said both engines were the same. I was referring to the export Grand Cherokee, which uses the 3.0 V6, and soon will use in the US.

@ Alex....got it ;}>

I'm Chrysler to the core, never owned another brand truck and I'm really disappointed that the 4.2L V6 or even better yet 5.6L V8 Cummins is not the diesel of choice for the 1/2 tons. Certainly 240/420 are good numbers for a 3.0L diesel; hell the '99 5.9L was 210/440! I'm glad to see a diesel, but really wish it was the domestically produced Cummins.

Ford is going to have a field day in promotions, in that their Ecoboost makes similar torque, 120 more HP (good for hot rodding) and isn't a $4K+ option. Then if Ford wants to really sink the knife to the bone, they'll roll out their 4.4L Powerstroke, at 500+ft-lbs torque and 325+hp.

Its a shame that Cerebus Capital (hedge fund snakes in the grass) ran Chrysler into the ground in 2008 by using them and Chrysler Financial as paper collateral in the financial speculation world, or else we'd likely have had the Cummins 1/2 tons for MY 2009 that were developed in mid 2000s.

@Mopar21222
Cummins can't provide a competitive diesel. They do make a 2.8 diesel, but the only pickup I know of that it is fitted to is a Chinese pickup called a Foton Tunland.

The 2.8 Cummins is generating 120kw (155hp) and 360nm (280ftlb) of torque. This is quite uncompetitive in the current market. It is in Toyota Hilux territory, previous generation diesel output.

For a comparison the VW Amarok 2.0 litre diesel is 120kw and 420nm of torque and gets much better fuel economy.

Overall US diesel technology is behind Euro diesel technology. Hopefully these Euro diesels coming into the US will force your diesel manufacturers to become competitive.

Ford will not be able to have a field day, how can possibly near on 30mpg highway be bad?

This engine requires urea after-treatment fill every 10,000 miles, unlike the Mazda diesel engine coming out. You have to go to the dealer for the fill. Consumer reports got charged $317 by the dealer to refill the urea tank on their Mercedes Blutec test car. When urea fill diesels reach 10,000 miles, a warning indicator comes on and the vehicle gives you 20 more starts. If you don't get the urea tank refilled within that time, the ignition locks itself and you have to tow it to the dealer, or pay to have them come to you. The Cummings that they were planning on would have burned clean enough not to require urea, like the Mazda. I feel this is a major drawback and think that just after a year or two, they'll not require urea, and all the new buyers will be tied to the dealer for life. Who knows.

@Mopar21222 - I am willing to bet that Fiat will slowly ease Cummins out the door or should I say engine compartment.

@Big Al, normally I agree with what you say, but the current US diesels are as good as the European ones. They are just much larger. Especially, for example, as the engineering team for the Ford 6.7 largely consists of the European engineers from the Lion engines in the UK. Anyway, with the global trade going on these days, it's impossible to localize anything to one region. The Ford engines (4.4 and 6.7) use UK engineers in USA and produced in Mexico. I haven't heard of current Land Rover/Range Rover customers being disappointed with their "low tech" diesel engines

@Alex
Have a look at the figure some of these Euro diesels develop.

They are quite amazing.

Even the VM going into the Ram is quite good. If it was translated in a 6.7 you'd have 530hp and 950ftlb.

My 3.2 Duratorqe is similar to an HD engine (by capacity) and this engine is over a decade old now. Its that old it doesn't meet Euro V.

Porche make a fantastic 4.2 V8 diesel of 288kw and over 800nm of torque. That is comparable to an HD diesel.

That's why I think Toyota will drop their 4.5 into the Tundra and offer an HD alternative. The Toyota V8 will not develop the Porche power, but it could be at least 300hp and 600ftlb of torque.

This Porche V8 is giving the 5 000lb Cayenne over 30mpg on the highway.

This will be the norm in 5-10 years for "budget" economical diesel engines. Something I'm looking forward to.

BMW, VW all make some fanstastic diesels. Kia is making a German designed 2.2 diesel of 140kw and 420nm of torque and that's a cheap Kia.

Don't get me wrong the US diesels are good, but not competitive. CAFE/EPA regulations caused this.

Toyota, GM and Ford are going to be too late to the party. At the end if the day, a lot of folks (me included - a dedicated GMC owner) are going to be jumping ship and buying one this new Ram. Im sure the others will wave their hands around about how they will be bringing their own version next year (heard that before) but Ram is going to have them sitting on dealer lots. And yeah, if I buy one and have great luck with it and the dealer treats me right, yep Ill be a Ram owner going forward. Smart move IMO!

@Big Al, I had a feeling you would mention the specific power and torque outputs, but that is not a good way to measure the technological advancement of these engines. You need to remember, Euro diesels need to power a car. American diesels need to power a truck and a 50' 5th wheel trailer and still be reliable. These new American diesels are every bit advanced as the European ones. If you want the specific power and torque outputs you mentioned, very easily achievable with a simple tune, which many people do (and will go well byond the specs you mentioned). These engines use all the latest components that the Euro diesels offer.

Even as a FORD man, I must say, thank you Ram for breaking the waters on bringing a Diesel engine to a half ton. Because of you, Ford and gm will definitely consider following. This is what the customers have been waiting for and y'all were the first to do it. Good job

Kudos to you Ram for taking this lead, I do however wish you would have gone with the 5.0 cummins engine you spoke of a year ago. I also wish you would take another big step by introducing a tranverse 4 cyl. front wheel drive 1500...

@Alex
I agree about the technological advancement can't be measured in hp alone.

As diesel power goes up so has fuel economy. Gasoline hasn't achieved the same improvements.

As for the reliability, and more power doesen't reduce its reliability.

In 1997 I bought a 3.2 Navara diesel. It was only 74kw and 220nm of torque. Compare that to my BT50's same size as my BT50 engine's 147kw and 470nm of torque.

I was getting back then about 25mpg in a lighter and smaller vehicle.

I know Jeep had a 2.5 VM diesel in the Cherokees back then with 85kw and 300nm of torque and huge turbo lag. The Cherokee used to get about 26mpg.

Diesel output has increased over the past decade by at least 60% and fuel economy has improved.

So, in the future I'm expecting big gains as well.

We are getting the power and torque the prestige Euro diesels were getting a decade ago in "normal" poor man's diesels.

Kudos Ram for leading the way on a half ton diesel, I wish however you would have gone with the 5.0 you spoke of last year. If you want to make another big splash, introduce a transverse 4 or 6 cyl. front wheel drive 1500...

@Hemi
Leader in what???????????????????????????????
Not sales
Not engine technology
Not durability
The reason why RAM continues to lag in sales is because of a bad reputation of building junk for years. That's why Ram offers a 100,000 drivetrain warranty.

@latwoods
In all fairness Fiat is pointing Chrysler in the right direction.

You sound like a fanboi of some sort with that comment.

I would say Fiat has imposed a cultural change from the highest levels of Chrysler down.

The cultural flow downwards through the ranks will take sometime to complete.

I think Ford and GM haven't made the necessary changes to their institutionalised practices.

Ford and GM are more US centric in their policies. Chrysler is becoming more flexible. Fiat/Chrysler will eventualy lead and I would say within a decade.

I'm not saying Ram will overtake GM and Ford in sales of pickups, but overall you will see a much better Chrysler.

US vehicles have improved markedly over the past 15 years, but it still has some way to go to match most overseas vehicles for quality.

This will take time to resolve and build a customer base. Just this diesel Ram 1500 is an excellent start.

I really think the 10 000 number is a gross underestimation. Remember, businesses, construction, farming etc will like this truck.

Most farms in Australia have their own diesel tanks and don't stock petrol. I would think NA farmer's are similar.

Then you have the "towing", this Ram diesel combination will really appeal. It will use up to 50% less fuel towing loads.

I know off roading gasoline 4x4s use twice as much fuel as I do. And diesels make the best 4x4 power plants, all that low down grunt. They just idle through most everything.

I shared in the past that Fiat will work their diesels into Chrysler products and I was ridiculed.
I shared in the past that diesels will become more and more prevalent in more cars/trucks and I was ridiculed.
None of what I shared was speculation but what I learned from a well informed guy in the industry.
I am fortunate to live in a area that has a auto talk show who's host is a consultant to the auto industry and he shared all the above to his listeners. I past it on here.
The guys name is Dave Finkelstein.
The mandated MPG average that the manufactures have to meet is driving this.

kudos Ram for taking the lead on a half ton diesel, now take the next big step by introducing a transverse 4 or 6 cyl. front wheel drive...

Transverse engines and FWD??? Are you freaking serious? The worst setup ever!

LOOK OUT GM...THE SALES GAP IS ABOUT TO CLOSE A LITTLE MORE!! UNLESS FORD COMES UP WITH A DIESEL, THEY WILL LOOSE A FEW TOO...

If it`s priced right they can plan on far more than 10,000 additional sales.

Now a good mid sized truck would be nice too providing again if it`s priced right.

I live in Canada, where gas is $1.30 a litre and Diesel is about the same price give or take a nickel. I put about 30,000km on a vehicle a year, mostly on the highway. The difference between the V6 gas and the V6 Diesel is about $1000 a year in fuel, And that doesn't not consider the fuel economy improvements when towing, as Diesel vehicles don't have the towing penalty, nor the improved towing capacity. If it's a $3000 difference between the V6 and the Diesel Cold weather starts are no longer an issue with modern Diesels, many VW's here start just fine. At 29mpg it starts getting competitive at highway speeds with a five or six year old mid-size gas powered sedan.

A Diesel works best when burbling at 1200-2000RPM, which is what you'll get with the eight speed tranny. Forget the manual, with the ZF automatic is far better.

Thanks for the post, I will look forward to see more posts from your blog and and also about Diesel Generators uae Generators.

Kudos Ram for taking this step, now take another big step and introduce a transverse 4 or 6 and make a front wheel drive...

Kudos to you Ram for taking this step, now take the next step and introduce a transverse 4 or 6 and make a front wheel drive.

My bad, sorry about that...

too bad the first diesel in the half ton class will be in the worst truck in that class

No interest for me on this news. I will stick with a gas engine that gives a lower price, lower maintenance cost, just as durable, my 684,000 mile GM 8.1 proves that, and more power and torque with the new gas engines.

Just Ram. Diesel price to high for a payback quick.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/02/ford-chevy-and-toyota-no-plans-for-diesel-half-tons.html

I bought a 2012 Ram 1500 Laramie and am using it for work in the oil patch in Alberta. I would consider a diesel verision simply for the long range ability on a tank of fuel. The smooth power with an 8-speed would be a bonus.

I can't say for sure I'd get one but I'm glad I have the option. Putting a smaller diesel in it is smart. High powered V8 diesels are fun but mileage is key for future pickups. Being able to get a real life 25mpg+ will become more important than who can burn more tire from a stoplight.

As our Aussie friends here have pointed out our pickup anomaly in North America is not sustainable indefinitely. I love my pickups and the power they make but they're extremely inefficient as far as capacities go. Our half tons do not have a lot of capacity. Huge tow ratings are bogus because hitch weights limit the real life situation.

Whatever we feel about a small diesel at some point we'll have to accept that mileage will be a factor in how our pickups are designed in the future.

@magnum
Yes you are 100% correct. Tow ratings are governed by the hitch fitted. I have noticed many Triton V10 Motorhomes have 5000lb hitches for towing. One RVer on the forums said his Motorhome had "11,000lb towing' Obviously he has not noticed the small SUV's that others tow.

@ Robert Ryan

This site has a handful of good, knowledgeable posters but for the most part is flooded with statistic, magazine article driven wiki users.

Half tons have become big family vehicles. The ridiculous tow ratings only cater to the stupidity on here.

Give my Ram or any other brand a true mpg option and there's a good chance I'll take it.

I have been wanting to find a stout half ton to down size from my current 3/4 ton - smaller RV is the reason.

Had settled on the ECO boost. But will now wait to see how this new Dodge proves out.

This engine already exist in Europe division of chrysler, is the base v6 diesel of the 300c and Grand cherokee. Is built is SPA by VM motori, same brand who made the last CRD engine, present on the jeep last years.

When Was 17 years old in 1978, my Dad bought a Dodge diesel six cylinder 1/2 ton pickup. We still have it. it gets 28 miles to the gallon. (Canadian Gallon). It has 675,000 klm. and we have never opened the engine. It's still on road, 35 years later. Most people's homes don't last that well.

Anyword on the Truck configurations let? Will it be offered in the Base Tradesman model? SWB?

i have had diesels in the uk for years. Yes fuel costs in the uk are stupid compared to canada where i now live i would give anything for a diesel range rover or discovery even here. i cannot believe how few diesels there are in canada

i dont see why they dont have cummins make them a small 4 cylnder diesel motor and put it in there.

I bet they are not telling you ram is putting a different diesel besides a cummins in it:(. Oh I already have a chevy half ton with a 4 cylinder cummins in it gets about around 30 in town not to mention it smokes anything literally and metaphorically you should see the coal:).

I've always been a Ford man, when it came to trucks. However, This diesel engine in a half tone really has my attention. I have been looking to purchase a new truck, In the next year. As of now, I'm sold on the new Ram 1500 with the diesel. By By Ford !

Typical of dodge to overprice the option despite the fact that its technology is nothing new and the engine itself is old news. Great that its finally in a truck (should have been years ago) but to price it more than a hemi means that folks in N.A. Who are already terrified of "change" won't buy it. If a hemi is cheaper and makes just as much power than hemi it will be. Sad really. Another over priced fail by dodge. Thank the bean counters for that one.



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