Spied! 2015 Ford F-150 or F-100?

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Photos by KGP Photography

We’ve just heard from one of our favorite spy shooters, and they think they’ve seen some of the early prototypes of the next-gen Ford F-150 or something just a touch smaller. We know Ford is pretty smart about doctoring up its test trucks to throw spy photographers off the scent, but our spy might have something here. Here’s what they wrote to us:

We caught a small convoy of heavily camouflaged Ford prototypes running the streets of Dearborn, Mich., possibly revealing one of two things: 1) These are the first prototypes for the 2015 Ford F-150, or 2) perhaps this is our first look at the Ford F-100, a smaller new product.

Caught in both SuperCrew and SuperCab configurations, the prototype trucks hide most of their styling details while also making it difficult to draw size and packaging conclusions. However, as these photos suggest, this truck is smaller than an F-150, pointing to the real possibility of a new, small Ford pickup. Here’s what we’re left with:

Five-Lug Pattern?

One of the prototypes was wearing wheel caps that suggest a lighter-duty, five-lug pattern instead of the F-150's six-lug specification. One prototype’s caps show there are five small protrusions, suggesting five lug nuts in a pentagon pattern.

Diesel Exhaust Set-Up?

The SuperCab prototypes had a split two-tip exhaust, similar to Ford's Power Stroke Super-Duty trucks, suggesting that this may have a smaller diesel engine — possibly the 3.2-liter turbodiesel inline five-cylinder that will be available in the 2014 Ford Transit vans.

Evidence of a Narrower Track?

Viewing the prototype trucks from the rear, it appears the camouflage adds some width, giving a false sense of the trucks’ actual size. The tires appear to sit well within the arches, suggesting a narrower track and smaller overall footprint than an F-150.

The fact that Ford's future truck programs are now moving beyond the mule stage is undeniable. These prototypes were out braving very sketchy weather and road conditions all around Dearborn. The subtle cues that suggest that these trucks are slightly smaller and a bit less robust than a full-fledged F-150 are consistent with reports that an F-100 is in the works. It’ll be around a 9-to-10 scale F-150; it’s also likely to use many new lightweight materials and offer much greater fuel economy. An all-aluminum F-100, with a lighter-duty suspension, wheels and other components, would realize significant fuel-economy gains while satisfying the needs of most truck buyers. And don’t forget a truck like this would greatly help Ford meet the stricter corporate average fuel economy standards in both 2016 and 2025.

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Comments

@NMiller, It looks very much like a T6 chassis with a diesel

enough with the speculating, where is the V6 Ram test results?

Only problem with this being a T6 derivative is the fact that the T6 Ranger has 6 bolt wheels and axles.

This is something else. It looks like a older F150 with a newer cab and front end mounted on it.

The older frame and truck weighted about 650lbs less, so they could be testing a prospective future power train.

5 lug versus 6 as many have pointed out is based on wheel size and stud size. 1/2 tons had 5 lug wheels for as long as I care to remember. Chev had 6 lug on 4x4 and 5 on 4x2. It is not worth arguing over.

My theory is that Ford is going to "SuperSize" the F150. That was mentioned and demonstrated with the Atlas. Ford can cheat on EPA MPG rules by making the F150 just big enough to fit into EPA 3/4 ton rules.
The global Ranger will sprout F150 "like" bodywork and be called an F100. It will be big enough to exploit 1/2 ton EPA rules but still be small enough to keep "small" truck fans happy.
The F350 will become more like a F450 and be more like a MDT.
That is my hunch.
The Global Ranger has 6 bolt rims and inboard shocks.

This truck could simply be a test mule with a hodge podge of parts.

Lou, you could be on to something. I think that the trucks are, in fact, later models of the 97-03 (04 Heritage) body style. If you look at the shapes and sizes of the windows, it is obvious that they are not 04-current trucks. I think it is a powertrain/platform exercise. Also, did they not have a few T6 Rangers running around in the US for testing back when it was developed? I don't see why they'd completely change the body on the platform if it is just going to be the same truck.

I don't think what we're seeing is anything physically-related to an upcoming product - it has to be a test bed for the unseen.

@Lou,
Either way they are introducing a "sub" F150 i.e F100 or testing parts for a smaller F150. Diesel engines sounds interesting.

It's not a F-100.

An insider on the forums has stated it is a powertrain mule.

Agreed as well Don, i think that this is Fords Truck with a Diesel in it.. they wont want to detract from the Eco boost in the F-150 but want to get in the Midsize market with a diesel.. Not a Ford fan by no means, but this could be a great marketing strategy... Maybe they listen to thier customers UNLIKE GM...

Also, it is not a 2015 body...

Let me put in my two cents. When we started building prototypes for the 09 back in 06, we did not use ANY new body styles. When we went back in 07 we started to use the new body/sheet metal for the first time (six months before it was revealed). Two years is a VERY long time to have a full prototype sitting around.... - Dearnborn Derek

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@jason
"they wont want to detract from the Eco boost in the F-150 but want to get in the Midsize market with a diesel.. Not a Ford fan by no means, but this could be a great marketing strategy.."

Bit of a back flip as well as they said previously they were not going to use diesel engines in anything other than a HD.

I would not even venture a guess as to what size these mules are. As for Ford catering to my needs @DenverMike, I do not expect that, I will by from the manufacturer that provides the closest thing that I can find to what I want. I have no problem with Ford, but just like anything I buy what best suits my needs. I really don't care what any manufacture does because providing feedback is to their benefit and not to mine. The customer can always go elsewhere for a product. If Ford deems my business insufficient then I will find another company and that is true of any of manufacturer.

Lou--You might a prophet. You could be absolutely right in your assessment. If the Global Ranger becomes an F100 then I will be in the market for one.


@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

@Lou
I totally agree with your assumptions.

I've talking about this type of change for a while (long while).

One thing though, to meet CAFE the manufacturers might have to lengthen the wheel bases, there might be a footprint issue.

The lengthened Colorado wheelbase could be an indication that is the direction they will head in. But I'm not totally sure yet, I'll need to research more.

The only people who piss and moan about Ford's constant refreshing are the people who drive trucks that haven't been touched in over 6 years. Did you know that constant updates and refreshes keep a product 'fresh' and 'appealing'? As opposed to a design that's been around since 2006...which is 'old' and 'stale'. But then, even THAT design just gets a warm over.....
No, I'll take minor refreshes every couple years between major updates over the same bland look for 8 years....
In 2015 the new F150 is going to change the game.

@lray801 - Human beings are genetically hardwired to respond favorably to the familiar and the safe. This survival strategy is no longer needed (much) by current human beings but is is used to great effect to sell up products. No one likes big changes due to our "wiring". Ford must have anthropologists and psychologists on the payroll as they rarely trott out completely new looking products. The current F150 look a lot like the 11th generation (2005 - 2008) F150 even though there are few interchangible parts.
GMC has learned the hard way that they created a familiarity disconnect with the last few generations of trucks. The new 2014 GM is an attempt to bridge the gap/reconnect with their past trucks that were the kings of the truck world. Time will tell as to whether or not GMC will be on target.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Big Al from Oz - time will tell. Funny how there were those saying that we'd never see a diesel 1/2 ton. The global trend was that we would see diesel pickups. They have been slowly showing up in our cars. People get stuck at the border and don't see beyond the low tide mark on the shoreline.

Ford may be orchestrating a rather elaborate ruse, but I doubt it. The pattern has been one of slow and deliberate leaking of information. Blogs like this help them gauge feedback or trends related to product acceptance. Dribbling out news gets people excited and they can extend the media hype and amount of time spent in the public eye. They are masters of that. Look at GMC and their reveal of the 2014. Very little news than a few days of information and now they have faded from everyone's consciousness.
Robert Ryan has mentioned the "OneFord" global plan. This may be part of that plan.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

@Jason H
The tyre diameter wouldn't have much to do with the number of studs.

A greater factor in determining the number of studs is the expected torque going through the wheel and the expected weight.

Cornering in a vehicle places much greater loads on the rims than one could expect.

big al from oz....... pot calling the kettle black? If you and robert ryan are not the same person i would be completely surprised. Its pretty obvious man.

@Lou
I'm sorry about the multi postings. There is something odd going on. Someone isn't happy with me. I'm addressing you because of your stance on the site and others will read this.

I have nutted out a single entity who uses other tags. The person is actually intelligent and doesn't like how I have managed him/her. That's about the best I can deduce.

But I will continue posting on this site until PUTC does something about it.

I do try to value add to this site. Contrary to what some think I do like US style pickups, or I wouldn't post here. I also like all vehicles from all regions of the globe.

But there are trolls that get a thrill, there are trolls that work for Business, the there are the simple trolls who just post brand data etc.

big al from oz..... Just one more thing. Why do act and come across like a complete #%$hole. You talk down everyone who disagrees with you and I have no idea why no one calls you out on it. Heres an idea.... quit trying to shove your euro bull@#%$ on us. We dont want it, we dont like it, if you do then cool. but stop trying shove it down our throats. Its kinda pathetic. I thought the ram guys were the worst posters on this board, but I dread seeing your post more than hemi v8's. You treat everyone like they are beneath you and its getting old. Quit trying to talk us into believing that our way of building trucks is wrong just cause the rest of the world does it another way. Were the greatest country for a reason...WE DO THINGS OUR ON WAY. GET OVER IT! Rant over

@Jeff S - Ford doesn't want your mid-size truck business because you'll probably buy a base regular cab with rebates like most other mid-size pickup buyers currently do. If Ford brings the global Ranger to North America, what's going to change? It'll be the same old/same old. Sorry if you're put out, but you can't please everyone.

What's in it for Ford to continue taking a loss while cannibalizing the F-150? Ford is not a branch of government or a charity. They show up for work and look for ways to be more profitable, not less.

Buyers overwhelmingly preferred the base Ranger over the Ranger based Sport Trac which was no different from a global Ranger. Where were you 2000 to 2010? I mean damn, the Sport Trac blew away the '93 bodied Ranger in every single category, exempt bed volume. Then again, maximum bed volume wouldn't be what 'alleged' Global truck buyers care about...

@ lautenslager
Trolling? I think so ,what other names do you use?

@Lou,
A Lot of people are not going to like a diesel appearing in a 1/2ton, but the Ram Diesel 1500 , Colorado/Canyon etc has got Ford thinking that it has a Diesel Pickup that can a new "downsized" F150.

@TRX4 Tom, Hemi V8, zveria etc. (and of course lautenslager sort of German isn't it zveria?)
"big al from oz..... Just one more thing. Why do act and come across like a complete #%$hole."

Research what you write and have some knowledge on what you present. Just knowing "data/information" isn't enough sometimes, learn what that data means, interpret.

I'm sorry but if you write garbage then what do you expect. It's great to be patriotic, but your ultra nationalism is distorting what's what.

I have interacted with many who make intelligent contribution. And I have responded accordingly.

There is a concept called tone matching. Learn about it. You can't tone match, because you are a bully.

You have to be sincere, you treated all interactions like a competition. If you were sincere you wouldn't require so many tags. Lou is correct you need help.

@DenverMike
The pre-T6 global Ranger was engineered by Mazda and shared nothing with the Sport Trac. When you say

@Lou - It turns out I was wrong and diesels may finally evolve into a niche engine choice in North American cars and 1/2 tons after all.

Then again, there was also a huge outcry for EVs and hybrids a decade ago and you would have thought they'd be dominating the market by now. It's probably the same people that got bored with EV and hybrids that now want diesels.

There will always be those that want something, anything different and don't mind paying a premium for it. They'll eventually come back to good ol' gas engines though.

@Luke in CO
You are correct if you're talking about the pre T6 Ranger, globally. The NA Mazda was based on the NA Ranger. These were two different vehicles.

@Luke in CO - I didn't mean the Sport Trac shared anything with the pre-T6 Mazda pickup, except concept.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/2007-Ford-Sport-Trac.jpg


http://www.autoguru.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ranger-global-01.jpg

What is so dang different???

gas prices and mpgs, carbon footprints. you guys cried about the stupid T6 coming to america well you got it. and i commented on here a year ago that the next f-150 would be the T6. why? because it is 9/10ths the size of the f-150 and their is no need for both. so if they bring the T6 they can use "ecoboost" crap instead of what they have. the T6 is lighter. will it tow the same? maybe, maybe not. these prototypes could be older f-150s testing the next f150s powertrain without giving away the style. if you have an ecoboost with an intercooler you have to use the same grille and bumper as production to test it. i believe there will be a downfall to ford soon, as no one can stay on top forever. when the next f-150 comes out as a completely smaller different truck, buyers will go elsewhere. what i think is so funny is that all of you guys (well most of you) seem to think the T6 is so much smaller than an F-150 and you cry about it coming here. well more than likely you will get your T6, a ford the size of a tacoma double cab with ecoboost motors and an F-150 badge. you satisfied? no V8s.

@DenverMike
Hybrids are really not economically viable when diesels are returning the same kinds of fuel economy and costs are much lower.

EVs the same situation, costs. And how many EVs can be manufactured with existing lithium deposits.

Like the real estate market, all forms of motor vehicles have to be affordable to the average person. Even if the cost of vehicles rise in the US by 10-20% people will still use them. But in the case of a hybrid or EV that isn't so, they will cost lots more due to the technology and systems employed.

The aviation industry is using more and more technology, but cost have risen, I can't see motor vehicles being any different.

The rest of the world pays more for cars than the US, I do envy the prices you pay. But it isn't sustainable, vehicle costs have to rise for vehicles, fuel choices will play a larger role as much as the cost of fuel does. This is a hard concept for the NA consumer to digest, I'm not being nasty, but honest.

In the end, just having mobility will count more than how big the engine is or even what fuels it burns.

Globally the motor vehicle industry is transforming, and you guys are no different.

Seriously big al, your act is old. Whatever it takes to make you feel good about yourself. Quit trying to make yourself look like the victim. Im a troll? Im a bully? Get real Al, I never post on here. Hardly a bully.... just calling you and your agenda out as I see it. I will make sure I practice more to be a professional poster just like you before I post again. Just spoke my mind,get over it

@Josh - Americans don't have a problem with the 9/10th or I should say losing a 1/10th. Losing the V8 is a whole other topic. As is losing the true crew cab or 3 cross seating. Never mind losing the full width, 8 ft bed volume or full-size towing.

It's a false rumor that the F-150 will shrink. If anything it'll grow. The same goes for the other 1/2 tons. Including full-size SUVs that partner with full-size 1/2 ton pickups.

Don't believe the hype. Hype creates a welcome buzz for OEM marketers as it sells magazines and clicks for web sites.



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