February 2013 Top 15 Pickup Truck Sales

Fords Pair 2013 II

February sales continue to head in a positive direction with eight of the top 10 pickups outperforming monthly sales from a year ago. GM is making a strong push to sell down the inventory of its Silverado and Sierra half-ton trucks to make room for the coming new models as it continues plant upgrades. That means that some dealers are able to offer great deals, and consumers seem to responding.

With all the attention on GM's new 1500 trucks (and for good reason — a lot is riding on their success), it's easy to forget that both Ford and Toyota continue to increase their truck sales with double-digit gains. Interestingly, the question no one is asking is what impact will it have when so many pickup nameplates leave the truck market. Will the decrease in the number of consumer choices mean higher overall prices or will the remaining competitors get even more aggressive with cash on the hood?

Look for all the full-size truckmakers to continue to benefit as the housing and construction industries make more progress, but the year is only just getting started.

Rank YTD Sales YTD vs. 2012
Year-Over-Year Monthly Sales vs. Month 2012
1 Ford F-Series +18.1% February 2013 54,489 +15.3%
101,330 February 2012 47,273

2 Chevrolet Silverado +30.3% February 2013 41,643 +28.9%
77,088 February 2012 32,297

3 Ram Trucks +8.0% February 2013 23,289 +3.1%
43,763 February 2012 22,595

4 GMC Sierra +29.6% February 2013 14,133 +25.0%
26,979 February 2012 11,306

5 Toyota Tacoma
+24.0% February 2013 12,644 +18.5%
24,266 February 2012 10,674

6 Toyota Tundra +20.9% February 2013 7,306 +15.5%
14,310 February 2012 6,328

7 Nissan Frontier -33.2% February 2013 2,736 -35.4%
5,360 February 2012 4,237

8 Chevrolet Avalanche*
+23.2% February 2013 2,263 +26.1%
4,202 February 2012 1,794

9 Nissan Titan
+5.1% February 2013 1,634 +3.7%
3,028 February 2012

1,576

10 Honda Ridgeline -2.4% February 2013 1,301 -5.0%
2,553 February 2012

1,370

11 Chevy Colorado * -74.2% February 2013 828 -76.6%
1,650 February 2012 3,532

12 GMC Canyon * -77.3% February 2013 180 -83.1%
482 February 2012

1,064

13

Caddy Escalade EXT*

+40.7% February 2013 191 +27.3%
363 February 2012

150

14 Suzuki Equator * -3.9% February 2013 109 -27.8%
249 February 2012

151

15 Ford Ranger * -100% February 2013 0 -100%
0 February 2012

4,482

* No longer in production but still being sold.

Comments

turdra,
From the comments in the DN article linked above...

Most of the issues are not even worker related. The real issue is the various components that are trying to mesh with each other, mostly electronics made by dozens of suppliers, none of them checking with each other for compatibility.

Ram is doing what they do best. Building lemons.

Fiat-Ram that is.

Fiat-Ram just gave more ammo to TundraHeadquarters to attack Chrysler-Ram-Fiat quality.

Tom Lemon

I think the fact that there are truck leaving the factory shows that electronics are not the issue, and more about the UAW workers being pissed about working a little overtime.

The interior of these 2013 trucks have are not that different then other new Chrysler vheicles. 8.4 and TFT are used on the new Grand Cherokee, 300, Charger, Viper, Dart, Journey. The 8 speed is used on 300, Charger, and new GrandCherokee and none of those vehicles are having problems leaving the factory.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

"The it is the UAW workers causing the problems not Ram"

Turdra,
O really? Prove it.

I've seen six new vehicle launches in my life as an auto worker, and for the last four I have been in a position to understand what is causing "lost" units (vehicles that are not shippable at the end of the the line).

While those numbers (if true and accurate) are a little concerning, it is very possible that "human error" in the assembly plant is the LEAST responsible for these numbers, one troublesome part could be responsible for much of the lost volume. There are many, many "bugs" to be worked out at any launch.

Unless someone on here has very specific proof that some UAW workers jeopardizing the launch, it is very irresponsible to toss UAW workers under the bus. As a union auto worker that has always tried to do his best for the customer for over 31 years I was even a little offended.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

First post didn't go, I think, I'll give it another try.

@Tom
You're new - or just a new name

DenverMike - Ford

TRX4 Tom - Chrysler

Tom - GM

Read the post I just submitted. GM is notorious for channel stuffing. Toyota is by far the lowest, hence more profit. This creates a supply and demand situation.

@Tom
You're new - or just a new name

DenverMike - Ford

TRX4 Tom - Chrysler

Tom - GM

Read the post I just submitted. GM is notorious for channel stuffing. Toyota is by far the lowest, hence more profit. This creates a supply and demand situation.

@Tom
You're new - or just a new name

DenverMike - Ford

TRX4 Tom - Chrysler

Tom - GM

Read the post I just submitted. GM is notorious for channel stuffing. Toyota is by far the lowest, hence more profit. This creates a supply and demand situation.

@Tom
You're new - or just a new name

DenverMike - Ford

TRX4 Tom - Chrysler

Tom - GM

Read the post I just submitted. GM is notorious for channel stuffing. Toyota is by far the lowest, hence more profit. This creates a supply and demand situation.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

@Big Al from Oz--What you mentioned about GM has been been going on for years with GM, Ford, and Chrysler. In 1979 Chrysler kept producing and piling up cars and trucks to the point that they had no where to put them and drastic discounting did not help, this is one reason why Chrysler had to borrow money from the government. Ford has done this in the past as well and so has GM. GM is now doing this with full size trucks and has to drastically discount them. Part of this has to due with the union contracts but a lot has to do with the manufacturers misreading the market and not reacting quick enough to change. Such a practice is not sustainable and eventually these companies will pay the piper. If you are a consumer and want to buy a new car or truck this is great, but then these companies are borrowing against future sales that would most likely yield a greater profit margin.

@turdra lol
Is it a 8 speed transmission problem?

What if there is another issue preventing to vehicles from being produced.

One that comes to mind is the Pentastar engine, in other words an engine issue.

Production was to increase for the Pentastar 5 months ago or so by adding a third shift at the factory. With some simple maths production should have increase by at least 33%. Were are these engines?

Remember the cylinder head problem, it might be worse than Chrysler is stating.

Chrysler never admitted to the depth of the cylinder head problem.

Also, the Pentastar was to be Chrysler's Eco-Boost competitor and never has eventuated. So is there a Pentastar issue?

So GM stores vehicles in dealerships, Chrysler must be storing lots of Pentastar engines.........somewhere.

@@turdra lol
My maths is wrong. Sorry.

Pentastar production should be able to increase 50%.

The Pentastar is not the panacea that Chrysler had hoped it would be.If Ram trucks use similar vehicle computers that Jeep uses,that may be a real problem.It's always easier for management to blame the folks on the floor when often times it's a design/parts quality thing.Macaroni tries to take as much as he can from Chrysler to keep Fiat propped up as they are in deep financial trouble.Cutting corners isn't beyond them imho.

arfc.org/complaints/toyota/tundra/suspension/problems.aspx toyota as a co has had more recalls the last 4 yrs then any car co in history.So much for toyota quality and they have set back millions for sudden acc. and rusty chassis lawsuits.

@Big Al,

This is why the site mods need to step in and clean it up. Many folks have complained about the juvenile and obnoxious behavior by some of the very immature posters here. I'm sure they think they're "funny" but it's actually pretty sad on their part.

If the mods refuse to act and you can prove who they are then go ahead and dime them out.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

Congrats to GM. They have the biggest increase in sales with the old design right before the new 2014 arrives, absolutely amazing.
Looks like the 2013 Ram HD 3500 sales will be dismal at best, they had to push back production due to a major frame defect, off to a good start already.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

Good luck Big Al.

It's pretty sad that some have to resort to such juvenile tactics.

@KMS
I know its not a problem on my end as I have used individual computers at work with several differing IP addresses. But I had multiple posts.

I have posted under a different name, no multiple posts.

There used to be a guy that posted on this site called HEMI V8. HEMI V8 was a notorious multi poster as well. This person can be identified by the style of writing.

But, this person operates under different names according to brands.

From what I can gather.
Ram - HEMI V8, TRX4 Tom, zveria (aka lautenslager) and most HEMI prefixed names. Terrific Tom is an old tag.

Ford - DenverMike and another person I will not name yet.

GM - Tom

lautenslager, now its quite easy to identify him, he is a guerilla marketing coach. From what I can gather the site is being targeted.

I hope PUTC have worked out Lautenslager, he might be a nasty piece of kit.

tom - with a lower t is also the same person/organisation.

I have challenged these individual people, to debate differently. I realised this when zveria started.

I not 100% sure though. This is my best deduction.

@Tom
You're new - or just a new name

DenverMike - Ford

TRX4 Tom - Chrysler

Tom - GM

Read the post I just submitted. GM is notorious for channel stuffing. Toyota is by far the lowest, hence more profit. This creates a supply and demand situation.

Hey Sherlock, So just what are you accusing me of their Big Al?

Chrysler Group LLC reported preliminary net income of $1.7 billion for 2012, up from $183 million in 2011 and beating guidance provided to analysts. Full-year 2011 Adjusted Net Income(a) was $734 million, after adjusting for the $551 million loss on extinguishment of debt recognized in the second quarter of 2011. For the year, the Company reported revenue of $65.8 billion, an increase of 20 percent from a year ago, primarily due to higher vehicle shipments. Modified Operating Profit was $2.9 billion for the year, or 4.4% of revenue, up 47% from $2.0 billion in 2011; the change was due to strong sales and more favorable pricing, partially offset by an increase in the proportion of sales from passenger cars, including the Dodge Dart and Fiat 500, versus trucks and SUVs; increased research-and-development costs; and increased spending on advertising. Modified Operating Profit for the quarter was $711 million, a 40% increase from the same period last year. Free cash flow increased from $1.9 billion in 2011 to $2.2 billion for 2011. Chrysler Group LLC Chairman and CEO Sergio Marchionne said. “The goals we’ve set for the year ahead reflect a common desire by everyone from leadership to the shop floor to succeed and sustain the power of the house we are building. … We pause for a moment to enjoy our accomplishments, but we will not stop. Our continued achievement relies upon maintaining a humble spirit and an intense focus on the integrity of our work. And so we press on.” For the fourth quarter, net income was $378 million on revenue of $17.2 billion, up 68% from a year earlier.

Read more at: http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/category/chrysler/profit-and-loss
Text copyright © Allpar, LLC, publishers of the massive Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, and other Mopar site allpar.com

lx

As a hard working uaw member I thank you for your hard work.

However, most of the articles I have read about warren have stated that employee moral has diminished because they were forced to work longer hours, and rotating shifts to keep up with demand.

I'm sure there are some bugs in the system that are getting ironed out too, but one article I read, and it was even posted on this blog, stated that the workers at warren are trying to strike about the hours, against the advisement from the uaw.

@Hemi lol: actually them pre 2013 hemi made more torque, and a broader rpm range then a tundra. It only got more and at a lower rpm for 2013, THANKS TO NO MORE HYDAULIC POWER STEERING. so yee haw, "Bud", your i force barely might make more torque @ 2000-2400, like less then ten foot pounds if that, and the hemi makes everything yours makes at 3600, and continues, while yours goes down.
You ever see k&n's dyno sheets of the two tundra? I guess they dyno'd the second time because the numbers were so low? Soon 5.3 lol will be here with excuses as to why, like he will cry it was dyno'd in sevond, lol, so is the ram! Imagine that!
So i guess you might realy need all that torque convertor unlocking!
Not to say the eight speed doesn't have a torque convertor to unlook in Ll those gears!

As for you pulling in 6th gear, is that such a great thing? Thats like saying towing with a 2.53 IS great? Lol, i would rather have a bit more gear in 7TH then you, and have an economy gear for 8th. I wouldn' t to tow in 8 th, smart guy!
You can sit there and lie your ass off all you want, and I guess if I wanted to play your little game, I could say this or that person does this or that, But the last shootout, that tundra got one mile per gallon less, documented, thats with the tundra having thin and tall mileage friendly tires. Before you cry us a river cause thats a 3.55 geared ram, with the lower 6 th gear a tundra has and a taller tire ends up damn near the same rpm.
So you are pissed toyota barely changed them...for 2014, and same old frame.
By the way, smart guy, some of your numbers are wrong.

Congratulations to General Motors for having the best selling pick up truck in the world 2 months in a row. I also see no one is buying the Tundra, the worst pick up truck in the world and only purchased by morons. At the rate of 6800 tundras average for the first 2 months of 2013 it looks like the tundra will set an all time low sales figure for 2013 of 80k sold. Toyota needs to find more village idiots willing to waste money on a worthless truck.

@Hemi V8
You are the Luetenslager tag, zveria and all of the other guerilla marketeers.

Get off this site you aren't wanted, you are a nuisance.

You guys are worse than a troll. You have no brand loyalty, because you market.

The term you are exploiting is called guerilla marketing. It is used by individuals or cells to promote products, similar to graffiti, like vandalism.

That is why you cut and pasted all of that crap on Fiats.

There are many different forms of guerilla marketing.

Al Luetenslager has written a coaching book on how to use forums and social media site to market products by using uncompromising and competitive means. Hence your Luetenslager tag.

This marketing technique is currently being employed more often by large corporations.

I threw a curve ball at you guys. My talk of mid sizers is countering your "marketing" (if you want to call it that) and has upset you guys and pissed you off.

So you are trying to rid me from this site.

PUTC has relaxed controls and you are exploiting that.

I do hope PUTC does read this.

I will continue to discuss mid sizers, now it appears you guys will be getting mid sizer diesels in your 1/2 ton pickups.

I have lots of useful information that isn't biased to a company.

Sorry guys

@Big Al from Oz - PUTC, or should I say Cars.com, will likely do nothing about this because they simply don't care. They have no intentions of moderating these Blogs or their Forums.

LOL^ cause they need 2 trucks to be noticed

@Big Al from Oz--It is a shame that this site has been corrupted by these guerilla marketers. Most of the genuine readers of this site do not want to be sold to. If anything this type of marketing is counterproductive and turns people off to a product or a brand they would consider based on the merits of a product. I was more inclined to look at Chrysler products after renting them but any negative experiences I have had with Chryslers are now more memoriable than the good ones. I currently own a Ford and Chevy which have both been good but again when guerilla marketers start using these tactics on me then I am less inclined to buy their product.

I particularily don't like it when I am told that my opinion on a product doesn't matter as is the case with midsize trucks and that my business is not needed. I actually had a salesman tear up my paper work on the purchase of a new truck, I ended up buying a truck from that dealer but the other salesperson ended up sharing his commission with that obnoxious salesperson. I offered $500 less than what the salesperson wanted and when he sold the truck to another he made it a point to call me up and tell me and also tell me he tore my information up. Needless to say that guy who was an older guy retired from GE is not selling cars or trucks anymore. A sufficient yes or no would have been enough and I would have had no hard feelings.

@Big Al: wow, you just think that anybody who doesn't agree with you must be posting under sevel names here? How paranoid are you? Is that you just don't comprehend that others besides me don't agree with you all the time?
Like I have said, I don't go by HEMI and also I sure don't go by Denver Mike. And because somebodies name is Tom, that doesn't mean its me. You are great at assuming and making accussations though.

I wont drop to your level and accuse you of comming up with multiple names, just because a few oppinions might be somewhat the same.

And you are actually in charge of people?!

@Big Al from Oz - You're constantly accusing myself and others of posting under multiple names even though all of us have completely different points of view, attitudes and convictions. All EXCEPT for yourself and Robert Ryan that are exact, high resolution copies. You 2 will even answer for each other! What? Is because you know exactly what the other is thinking, 100% of the time??? It's as if we're talking to the same person. Hmmmm...

Well whatever. It's always with the same attitude that Australian automakers can do no wrong while American automakers are all complete bumbling buffoons, our trucks are garbage and seen as such around the world. And that Australian truck buyers are smarter and wiser as opposed to fat, lazy, wasteful, spending beyond their means, Americans that wouldn't know quality if it fell out of the sky, landed on their face and wiggled.


Yourself and your partner are sometimes right, and I've said so. And I don't even mind the smug way you go about it, BUT when you're presented facts by anyone that contradicts your misinformed rants and gross assumptions, if you don't simply vanish from the tread, you'll go off into a tirade of who's trolling and under what assumed names. nice

If it's a valid question, answer it or quit.

@ trx4tom

so POST UP THE NUMBERS YOU THINK I HAVE WRONG!

POINT BLANK the Tundra is MUCH more reliable than that italian POS you like so well. You keep liking your POS meanwhile I know the difference, end of story.



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