2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel V-6: First Look

Ram 1500 2014 II

At a time when fuel economy and efficiency-directed technology seem to be taking center stage, the 2014 Ram 1500 will be the first half-ton pickup to offer a small turbo-diesel. The rated horsepower and torque numbers are impressive as well, reaching 240 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 420 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm.

The high-tech VM Motori-sourced (from Italy) 3.0-liter 24-valve V-6 is the same engine recently offered in the 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee; it is likely to offer the best city and highway fuel economy of any engine in the segment. Final numbers are not out, but they are likely to be under 30 mpg on the highway and around 23 in the city.

The new diesel engine will offer either 3.23:1 or 3.55:1 ring-and-pinion gears along with the light-duty eight-speed transmission (8HP45) with the rotary dial on the center stack. The 2014 Ram 1500 will continue to offer three engine choices — the 3.0-liter turbo-diesel, the 3.6-liter V-6 and the 5.7-liter V-8 — but the oldest of the engines, the 4.7-liter V-8, will no longer be available.

Among some other interesting changes to the 2014 models, Ram 1500 will offer both front and rear park assist as well as a new type of compressor technology (along with interior humidity sensors) that will make air conditioning a more efficient event (meaning less strain on the engine).

Pricing for the 2014 Ram 1500 starts at $25,295 (including destination); more pricing information will be available later this summer.

For a more detailed look at the new turbo-diesel, click here to see the Ram press release.

For a more detailed look at the changes to the 2014 Ram 1500s, click here.

For a look at an abbreviated specification sheet for the various powertrains, click here.

 

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Comments

maith: I hate to be the one too burst your bubble, but it was NOT Chevy/GMC that made the 1st 1/2t or any half ton pickup for that matter, it was either International Harvester or Dodge! they were the 1st in the early 70's to produce a 1/2 tone diesel pickup! Dodge and Int. used a version of a Mitsubishi in line 6cyl diesel, in one wa a Dodge 1/2t and in the other a ScoutII SUV and pickup truck! The 1st gen in the Scout was normal aspirated, and then turbo after 1st yr. and then in the Dodge it was a turbo.

This diesel is not limited to just the high end trim levels. According to the Ram website, it will be offered on the following trims:

TRADESMAN®+SLT+OUTDOORSMAN®BIG HORN®LARAMIE®LARAMIE
LONGHORN

@zveria
It's good to see you blogging again on PUTC. I read you other recent blogs.

It's also good to see, that you are blogging information that is useful and intelligent, like you stated you did prior to your previous exit from PUTC.

@Lou
I wasn't going you on the 'greenie' push by automotive manufacturers trying to make almost false statements that their products are green.

If the EPA does anything they should remove any false pretences that their vehicles are green. Or make it mandatory to have a 'green scale' similar to energy efficiency on vehicles.

Here we have pollution and mpg data on stuck to windscreens. But I don't think many people understand the data, just like many fanboi's on this site who don't understand the specifications of the vehicles they love so much.

It's all smoke an mirrors.

Yup we will be able to get the diesel in any trim for all u fan boys trolling!
Guts
Glory
The best engine selection
Ram!

Since you guys like to argue Ecoboost vs Diesel. I will always take the Diesel over a V6 Gas Turbo any day of the week. I do not buy trucks to race I buy trucks to pull. Ram being the first to bring out a diesel will have me at their doorstep ready to buy. Ford chose not to go that route. I am not bashing anyone but a Diesel will outlast a Gas turbo or not. The torque is also down real low where you want it. Diesel wins in my book.

@Lou and howman00
We use mainly green American lawnmowers, like the one in the link :)

They seem efficient if only a little rough.

http://www.deere.com.au/common/media/images/product/grain_harvesting/combines/s_series/r4d015712_row_b_942x458.jpg

@DLF

I'd take the GM 5.3 over the ECO boost and the Ram 1/2 ton Diesel.

When you look at it using some logic the diesel really doesn't add up. If you figure 20,000 miles a year with an average cost of Diesel being 3.75 and gas 3.50. Then assume that the Ram averages 30mpg and the GM 5.3 averages 18mpg it will take 1.8 years or 36,000 miles just to pay for the diesel engine (assuming its a $2500 option). That's assuming that the Ram averages 12mpg more then the Chevy which won't happen. That only take in to account the cost of fuel too. On top of that you have more expensive oil changes and DEF fluid and so on.

When you look at more realistic numbers it doesn't take long for the payback to grow to 100,000+ miles and 4 or 5 years.

@Jack
How many businesses run trucks over 20 000 miles per year?

For personal use driving a few miles to work everyday you would want a gas engine, even then a V6 would get most out of trouble.

The same could be said if you want to tow heavy trailers and drive a few miles to work everyday a V8 gas would be a better option than a diesel.

As more diesels become available in both numbers on the road and manufacturers selling them, they will become cheaper to own and operate.

Imagine if diesel was a common as gas is now and gas engines were released. I bet it would cost more to own and operate a gas vehicle.

There used to be a significant price premium on diesel pickups in Australia as well. But now 90% are diesel and the maintenance costs are almost the same as running a V6 gas pickup.

Big Al

Businesses are NOT going to buy this truck. If a business is buying a truck for light use and MPG they'll buy a V6 gasser. If they are needing a truck to tow there going to buy a 3/4 ton. IMO the market for this truck is going to be weekend worriors and it may do very well. Does it make economic sense? NO it doesn't. If this engine proves to be troublesome like the one in the Jeep Patriot a few year ago, resale isn't going to be there either.

It's not just Ram either. I have the same feeling about the new Chevy Cruze Diesel as well. I think the Chevy makes more since in a car that maxes out at $31,000.

@Jack
Google article on the diesel take up in the US concerning cars. You might be surprised at the numbers.

As for pickups, PUTC just had a recent and very interesting article on the average cost of pickups now compared to a decade ago or so.

The average price has risen substantially, a big part of the rise was the fact people are prepared to spend extra in a pickup for additional features.

So people aren't just buying because of price alone.

People are interested in features other than the utility of the pickup.

As for business not buying a diesel, I don't know. We said the same here and look at the situation.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/etc/ or whoeover you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

They don't seem to care. So this will go on.

@DeverMike/Paul/Tom Lemon/Greg Baird/TRX4Tom/Dave/Tom Terrific/sandman 4x4/lautenslager/zveria/Bob/US Truck Driver/etc/ or whoeover you want to call yourself.

Quit the crap, really.

It's getting long in the tooth.

You want to debate, but it has to be on your terms.

Learn to debate with good information, then we might be able to have a decent debate.

Opinions are good, but if they are only your view to support the UAW, then how good are they. Look at what you guys have done to Detroit.

Terror tactics (union tactics) don't work on me.

If PUTC wants the UAW or whatever to control this site I suppose it's their decision.

It's not kids like I've been told by PUTC.

They don't seem to care. So this will go on.

@Jack
Google article on the diesel take up in the US concerning cars. You might be surprised at the numbers.

As for pickups, PUTC just had a recent and very interesting article on the average cost of pickups now compared to a decade ago or so.

The average price has risen substantially, a big part of the rise was the fact people are prepared to spend extra in a pickup for additional features.

So people aren't just buying because of price alone.

People are interested in features other than the utility of the pickup.

As for business not buying a diesel, I don't know. We said the same here and look at the situation.

Some of you haters make me sick. I don't care if you are a ford or Chevy lover it takes a lot of balls for any business to be the first to bring any new product to market. A diesel in a 1/2 ton is a big finacial risk given this economy and the price of diesel fuel. Even dodge and chryer haters should applaud this ballsy move. Same thing with the ford ecoboost a few years ago. Ford bet the farm on the ecoboost being a success. Both ford and dodge has taken a gamble , hopefully it pays off for both of them. GM chose not to gamble or roll the dice on its new 1/2 ton truck and engines. Instead GM is taking an even bigger finacial gamble by bringing back the small to midsize truck. Give credit where credit is due. None of you haters have gone to a top MBA school, graduated st the top of your class and landeda job as a Fortune 500 CEO. You have no idea how much pressure is on this people to succeed. Entire companies with thousands of employees are at risk when gambles such as these don't pan out. Stop hating. I hope all these new trucks and engines are successful because a lot of American jobs, mutual funds, and the US economy needs these products to be successful.

Ann btw none of you can read. The article says UNDER 30 mpg highway. That means less than 30mpg.

Nip if you can't read that is PUTC estimate, no official numbers have been released. But considering the Ram equals or beats the GrandCherokee with the same basic drivetrain, I would be surprised to see 31 highway with the Ram 4x2; 29 highway 4x4.

Well said Nlp! It cracks me up that as soon as something new comes out, especially from Dodge, all the haters come out in droves to bash! Brand loyalty is great but geez some of the guys are overboard!

And let's not forget Hemi V8.

Ever since you changed from Tom Terrific and came onto PUTC you have been on my back over mid sizers.

Like I told you, if you keep the $hit up I'll be thorn in your sides.

2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel V-6: First Look

Posted by Mark Williams | June 28, 2013

At a time when fuel economy and efficiency-directed technology seem to be taking center stage, the 2014 Ram 1500 will be the first half-ton pickup to offer a small turbo-diesel. The rated horsepower and torque numbers are impressive as well, reaching 240 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 420 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm.

The high-tech VM Motori-sourced (from Italy) 3.0-liter 24-valve V-6 is the same engine recently offered in the 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee; it is likely to offer the best city and highway fuel economy of any engine in the segment. Final numbers are not out, but they are likely to be under 30 mpg on the highway and around 23 in the city.

The new diesel engine will offer either 3.23:1 or 3.55:1 ring-and-pinion gears along with the light-duty eight-speed transmission (8HP45) with the rotary dial on the center stack. The 2014 Ram 1500 will continue to offer three engine choices — the 3.0-liter turbo-diesel, the 3.6-liter V-6 and the 5.7-liter V-8 — but the oldest of the engines, the 4.7-liter V-8, will no longer be available.

Among some other interesting changes to the 2014 models, Ram 1500 will offer both front and rear park assist as well as a new type of compressor technology (along with interior humidity sensors) that will make air conditioning a more efficient event (meaning less strain on the engine).

Pricing for the 2014 Ram 1500 starts at $25,295 (including destination); more pricing information will be available later this summer.

For a more detailed look at the new turbo-diesel, click here to see the Ram press release.

For a more detailed look at the changes to the 2014 Ram 1500s, click here.

For a look at an abbreviated specification sheet for the various powertrains, click here.

@Dave - dude, you are pulling figures out of where? your butt?
No where does it say that this will be an expensive option. I think that the price is quite reasonable.
You totally avoided commenting on the price list posted about Ford engines in the XLT. 8,000 dollars for a 6.2, who is screwing who?
This engine falls within the price of the EB 3.5. Period, end of story.
I'm sure that if it had a blue oval stamped on it you would be on your knees worshiping it and bowing down to Dearborn 5 times per day like Muslims to Mecca (no disrespect meant to Muslims).

@Nlp - agree with your post. Blinders on fanboys are bashing it because it doesn't have their favorite badge on the valve cover.
Ram is taking some chances with a 1500 air ride, and VM Motori diesel in a 1500.
Bravo to Ram.

Ford did the same with the EB 3.5, They took a chance and it has payed off.
40% of their pickups come with it.
Bravo to Ford.

GMC chose to be conservative. Time will tell but for me, I really like the looks of the Silverado. The Ecotec 5.3, if it turns out to be as reliable as the majority of their SBC,s - they will do well.
Personally, I'd take a real hard look at the Silverado if I needed to replace my Ford in a few years time. I don't need the most HP or fastest up the hill. I want durability, decent looks, and a decent interior for a price I'm willing to pay.

ECO is bogus because engine exhaust is CO2 and Water which is plant food. Most public school retards cant figure this out - so it goes. ECO is a Boeing jet...Non-ECO is a Prius...Just the opposite of what your political owners and their broadcast media want you to think.

Let's look at the facts. I'll keep it to Ram products.

Vehicle 1) Hemi V8 4x4 21 mpg

Vehicle 2) Diesel V6 4x4 26 mpg

Fuel price is $3.51 for gas, and $3.83 for diesel via the AAA Fuel Guage Report

You drive 15k miles a year.

You drive for 5 years.

Over 5 years you will save $1488. on Vehicle 2.

However, the diesel costs $2850 more than the Hemi so you'll still be down.

You'll have to drive 10 years to break even but it doesn't stop there becaus oil changes are double, and there is the extra cost for def.

Basically you'll never break even. This is not even considering the higher trim cost if there will be one.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.shtml

If you drive 10,000 miles a year it gets even worse. You only save $992 over 5 years.

Buy the diesel because you are an enthusiast, not for the fuel "economy" or because you are a business.

If you are a business, you'll take the Pentastar. Over 5 years you'll save only $265 over 5 years driving 15k miles with the diesel. Basically it is a lose lose situation and the gas wins everytime.

Only way the diesel wins is with the niche and enthusiast market.

Lou, Don't just disagree with me. Do the math.

I wouldn't even ask about this if Ram wasn't stating best in class fuel economy.

What difference does "best fuel in class economy" make if it never saves you any money over the gas option?

Ram is playing games here to get a lot of media attention.

There is a reason why GM and Ford decided against it in a half-ton.

If your primary interst is saving $ on fuel or you are looking at bottome line $, just get the V6 or the Hemi, it will be cheaper no mater what people say and the Hemi will still tow as much as the diesel.

@Dave - you keep bouncing from point to point.
First you said it was over priced but is comparable to the EB3.5 in price.
Second - you said it only comes in high end trim, others have proven you wrong.
Thirdly - where did you get 26 mpg from? Even if it were 26 mpg empty, what kind of mpg will it get while under load? Much better than a gasser, that is for sure. You omitted residual value. Diesels tend to depreciate less than a gasser.

I won't buy a diesel because I DO look at the point of return (on investment). I personally do not drive long enough distances on a daily basis to make it worth while nor do I tow or haul enough to make it worth while. Your last point is the only one that makes sense.

It will not be for everyone but I do believe that it will sell well.

Like it or not, we will see more diesels.

Ford is putting small diesels in the Transit - are they a waste of money too?
I'd love to see your cost/benefit ratio on those or do you only do math on Ford's rivals?

What is the payback on a XLT powered by a 6.2 that costs 8,000 and will be lucky to get 12-14 mpg?

If you've forgotten, I drive a Ford with a 5.4.

Also consider extra interest on the loan for $2000 (put $850 down): this fuel economy "saver" engine will cost you another $300 over 4 years.

If that $2850 was sitting in a mutual fund account with an average rate of return of 10% you're losing another $1300.

So anything you get back at resale will be lost in interest, the extra cost of fuel, the extra cost of oil changes, etc.

Last comment.

But the diesel is for heavier towing?

The Hemi will tow just as much and be less expensive and save you $.

With the price premium of a diesel powertrain, higher maintenance costs, higher repair costs, and only a few mpg better on more expensive fuel, where is the benefit?

It's only cool for the wow factor to the folks who are engine illiterate. For those who buy based off the math and the bottom line, it doesn't make sense to buy a diesel half ton.

It didn't make any sense to GM or Ford either. The 2014 5.3 is said to get 22-3mpg and the 5.3 will require less maintenance, burn cheaper fuel, and pretty much last just as long as a diesel and tow just as much as the Ram.

Dave: The diesel gets 30 mpg, not 26! LOOK IT UP and stop spamming!

@Dave
Premium diesel powertrain?

Powertrains/gearboxes are designed for torque. A 400ftlb diesel isn't more torque than a 400ftlb gas engine.

My midsizer runs the same gearbox that's in a V8 Mustang a MT82 because my diesel puts out similar torque.

Repairs costs are higher on a diesel, but at lot less frequent than a gas engine.

Also, people are paying more for pickups for features, so cost doesn't seem to be as important as most make out on this site.

Why are most pickups sold mid-highend?

@BenThere
The VM is a very good engine. Good reputation in the Jeep.

30 mpg truck that can tow 10,000 lbs this is going to be a great seller!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wtfact8ttg

@Dave - where are you going to get 10% in a mutual fund? Good luck on that one.

Anyone is a fool to think that they will NOT loose money on a vehicle. Experts have always said that a person should NOT get a loan to buy anything that depreciates as fast as a motor vehicle.

To use your logic, we all should buy V6 plane jane 1/2 tons since anything more will be wasted money.

When I say heavy towing, I'm not talking about anything more than a regular gasser, a diesel under load is cheaper to run than a gasser under comparable load. That gap has closed due to emissions on diesels but as we have seen, MPG ratings for HD's have improved from when they were first strapped with them. The same thing happened in the '70's. Gassers sucked fuel when emissions were put upon them.

Bottom line, like I said before, if the VM Motori 3.0 wore a blue oval, you would be praising it to high heaven.

Simple, don't buy it. I won't because it won't meet my current needs, but who's to say it might meet my future needs.

At least it is there as an option.

I'd probably chose a Chevy with a 5.3 if I were to pick a replacement for my truck (depending on reliability ratings, options and purchase costs). But then again, you won't like that either since it isn't a Ford.

Not jealous. Somebody did the math and there is no break even point. From an economy perspective, it's not a good buy.

3.0 Diesel vs Hemi vs EcoBoost

Use your imagination to pick which ones will reach the most number of buyers and why.

I am still not convinced that you won't also have to tick off at least a Laramie Long Horn for the privilege of owing the diesel. The pics of the the truck here on PUTC and the truck at the unveiling is of the Laramie Longhorn.

It may be about $3000 over a comparable Hemi, but it may force you into a crew cab, top of the line truck, which would very quickly go over $51,000.00 to start.

Consider what a half ton Ram is going to be able to actually tow. They are already very payload challenged.

Unless they've decided to put leafs out back again, the diesel really is a hard choice, based on this:

The greatest advantage of a diesel over a gas engine in a truck is not the fuel economy period, but the fuel economy under load.

Therefore, why buy a diesel engine in a truck with significant payload/trailer limitations vs. its competitors.

If you're going to be towing/hauling a lot, you're probably not interested in a Dodge half ton, yet that's the truck with the diesel.

So why buy an engine intended for work under load with a truck that is not intended to carry heavy loads?

@The Pink Panther? (we were just talking about old shows, odd :)
Under load? What load? You sound pro-Ford like someone I know:)

Towing even a several thousand pounds the diesel is superior in FE. I would think a Ram can manage that.

Empty the diesel has superior FE.

In an urban environment the diesel is definitely superior in FE. Urban driving is under load more than highway driving.

Open road driving a diesel is as good as a V8 with superior FE.

What most don't realise is the amount of horsepower consumed at highway speeds. It is far fewer than most would imagine.

To move a Ram/F-150/1500 Silverado at highway speeds or even more doesn't require much power. Going up incline starts to use the power. Diesel will go up a hill as good as a V8. The diesel will not be able to accelerate as quick as a gas engine.

The biggest draw back I see with diesel is the amount of time for the catalytic process to take place (heating). If you normally drive for 10 minutes or less gas is the answer, no doubt about it.

I have always predicted that light diesels in 1/2 ton pickups will surprise by the take up. We'll see.

I'm not against gas, but I have a lot of experience with light diesels. They do outperform gas by a larger margin than most give it credit for. Diesel engine characteristics are much, much different, even addictive.

It's in the Laramie Longhorn trim...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wtfact8ttg

Dave and his typical, not Ford need to bash comments.

First off his mythical 26mpg for the diesel, sure it will AVERAGE that; but the Hemi, just like the egobust, will most likely not average his mythical 21mpg, 17 mpg tops is more like it, lets see how is math works now.

With an average of 26 mpg the diesel will use $2206 for 15,000 miles. With the Hemi or EB that would be using $3097 in gas for 15,000 miles. That means it is almost $900 cheaper, IN FUEL ONLY, to operate the diesel for 15,000 miles. So, $900 cheaper for 15,000 miles, $1800 for 30,000 miles, and finally $2700 cheaper for 45000 miles. The typical owner would see the cost benefit in 3 years. As for using DEF, well Ram said it's 8 gallon tank will go approx. 10,000 miles, that mean you will use approx. $22.32 in DEF, or $33.48 per 15,000. That isn't near enough to offset the FE advantage to a "never break even" scenario.

Plus the diesel only use one more quart of 5w30 oil then the Hemi does. But that oil goes 10000 miles instead of the Hemi's 6000 miles. So in 30000 miles the Hemi will need 35 qts of oil where the diesel will only need 24. So much for more expensive oil changes.

I don't borrow money for my vehicles, so I don't lose much in capital gains. But losing money by financing, how bout losing money just by purchasing any vehicle? But what he neglected to mention was the higher resale of a diesel vehicle, (according to kbb a used diesel vehicle will sell for 24%-29% higher then is similarly equipped gas counterpart) so technically one is losing less money at sale. Not so bad considering the ecodiesel ram will only be about 6% more at sale then a comparable 45,000 hemi ram. What is better losing 6% when buying or getting 25% more at sale?

Lou,
I hate to agree with Dave on this, but several of my mutual funds get over 10%. Use Morningstar Software and you can find them too.

Pink (Dave) Panther, I did that math CORRECTLY and found the brake even point at 45,000 miles. So don't try to act like it is a poor buy.

I just hope the diesel will retain the dual exhaust pipes

What people don't understand ram today is more advance compare to ford ,the engine is better compare to ford twin turbo nice interior everything is better in the ram,the problem is some people tag the ram..

Chrysler is making statements and promises they apparently can't keep. Sergio promised in march of 2012 that the grand cherokee diesel would be available in the first quarter of 2013. As of TODAY you still can not even order one. Grand Cherokee yes, with diesel, NO.
The point here is that you should not hold your breath. Chrysler will promise anything/everything to get your attention. But they are weak/incompetent when it comes time to deliver. I wonder if this is a European thing. Sergio has been bleeding chrysler to feed Fiat, but that can't last forever.
The 1500 is a fine vehicle, just don't expect the diesel anytime soon. Maybe next year, or the year after that. Until you physically see/touch one on a lot, it's so much vaporware/hype. That is what i'm trying to say.

Ty, Good point. I believe it when I see it. Everybody simmer down now.

@Big Al, power helps only in accelerating as quickly as possible. Even then, if the increased power has a torque deficit, then torque may win. That's why the Jeep CRD accelerates quicker than the Jeep Hemi. 240Hp is more than adequate in a diesel. That's very close to the power that the last 7.3L Power Stroke V8 diesel put out. Everyone still raves about that engine.

@Doug - great points.

@Ty - I have to agree that Ram has had issues with rolling out their new products. My theory is that they tried to steal some of GMC's 2014 thunder by "premature advertising". They fired their shots too early and have been met with unsatisfied customers.
In my part of Northern Canada, Ram 1500's with the 5.7/8 speed combo have been slowly trickling in over the last 6 weeks. A salesman I talked to admitted that fact as well.

I hope that the roll out of this diesel is on time. Only hardcore fans or those not in immediate need of a truck will wait a long time for any advertised product.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.shtml

I just used Dave's calculator for a 4x4 Hemi at 21 mpg vs a 4x4 Diesel at 26 mpg (5 mpg more.) The Diesel fuel is 29 cents more per gallon. This is what I came up with. I will save $295 per year with the diesel or $1478 over 5 years.

Figure an extra $150 for oil changes. The DEF fluid cost was a little tricky but I figure around $50 for the year if you can get it cheap. I will save just $145 per year or $912 over 5 years.

I'm still almost $2000. in the hole on the diesel. If I kept the truck past 5 years, I would not break even until 15 years.

Ram says they are the first diesel half ton, but you have to wonder why. At the end of the day it's the economy - stupid. GM and Ford seem to have already figured this out.

P.S. I'll save another $1595 by going with leaves and skipping the air suspension.

Typo. I meant to write $100 extra for oil changes. My final calculation for the coil changes and def comes out the same in the end. I save only $145 per year with the diesel. But my 5 year savings is $725.

$2850 / $145 = 20 years to break even.

Even if I got half of the $2850 back at resale, it would still lose $700. at the end of the 5 years at trade in.

Im sorry guys. I know some love diesels and its hard to step outside of their biased shoes and take off the blinders, but with where gas engine technology is right now, there is really no need for a diesel in a half ton pickup truck. Diesel is for the trucks that need to haul the biggest loads. GM and Ford both figured this out.

As much as we would all like to "think" its going to be great "game changer" and save money on fuel economy, you would have to drive the darn thing almost 300,000 miles to even break even vs. the cost of the cheaper gas engine.

My exact calculation for the 300k miles is: $2850 diesel engine cost / $145 saved per year = 19.6 years x 15,000 miles a year = 294,827 miles to break even. Good luck with that!

@Jason
You drive a V8? Why?

A V6 will probably do everything you need from a pickup.

How long will it take for the V8 to equal the costs of a V6?

All this talk of costs is a bit over the top. The reality is not many buy the cheapest pickup or everyone would be driving pickups equivalent in comfort as they did in the 50s and 60s.

I think the issue is more that you are scared that diesel will become popular. Its different and you are comfortable with the status quo.

Stop being scared. In Australia when I was a teenager a Ford, GM or Chrysler V8 is what we all wanted. But more importantly is had to be petrol (gas).

This changed and you know what I have a diesel pickup that will out tow, out 4x4 any V8 from that era and is a cheap to drive as a Datsun 620 minitruck on fuel.

So, guys quit with your bull$hit analysis of something you know little or nothing about, if you don't like it, buy your "cheaper" V8s.

Doug, It's not a Ford comment. It is common sense.

The only reason the diesels work over in Europe and other places is because the fuel and gas prices and taxes are all screwed up and different than here in the US and then you have the stricter U.S. emission regulations.

Nothing has changed with this game changer. The Hemi is the better buy unless you plan on putting 300,000 miles on the diesel and just want to break even. The 5.3 from GM and the upcoming new Fords will be even better buys than the Hemi.



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